On Sunday 03 August 2014 00:38:34 Philip Webb wrote:
140802 Walter Dnes wrote:
In Gentoo, *ANY* kde app which runs on the kde infrastructure requires
phonon, and one of aqua/gstreamer/vlc, unless you resort to ugly hackery
as per http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/276393
On Sun, Aug 03, 2014 at 09:07:52AM +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote
On Sunday 03 August 2014 00:38:34 Philip Webb wrote:
140802 Walter Dnes wrote:
In Gentoo, *ANY* kde app which runs on the kde infrastructure requires
phonon, and one of aqua/gstreamer/vlc, unless you resort to ugly hackery
On Sunday, August 03, 2014 04:17:23 AM Walter Dnes wrote:
On Sun, Aug 03, 2014 at 09:07:52AM +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote
On Sunday 03 August 2014 00:38:34 Philip Webb wrote:
140802 Walter Dnes wrote:
In Gentoo, *ANY* kde app which runs on the kde infrastructure requires
phonon,
On 03/08/2014 04:59, Walter Dnes wrote:
phonon is not an okular dependency.
It is a deep dependancy. kde-base/kdelibs-4.12.5-r1.ebuild has a
COMMONDEPEND= block which includes =media-libs/phonon-4.4.3. And
media-libs/phonon-4.6.0-r1.ebuild has the following line...
REQUIRED_USE=|| (
On Friday, August 01, 2014 12:26:59 PM Philip Webb wrote:
140731 Walter Dnes wrote:
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:47:29AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote
When reading pdf files, one expects images, so tiff and jpeg are
reasonable flags. One does *NOT* expect audio stuff like phonon.
And
140802 J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Friday, August 01, 2014 12:26:59 PM Philip Webb wrote:
Not quite (smile) ! -- I ran into this sent bugs to Gentoo + KDE ;
the outcome was that I discovered that Phonon doesn't in fact demand
that you install the actual sound software :
it works to do
On Fri, Aug 01, 2014 at 06:57:17PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote
On 01/08/2014 05:16, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:47:29AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote
how much do you have to install if you deactivate all use flags for
okular? well, you still have all of qt... and
140802 Walter Dnes wrote:
In Gentoo, *ANY* kde app which runs on the kde infrastructure requires
phonon, and one of aqua/gstreamer/vlc, unless you resort to ugly hackery
as per http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/276393
So don't blame KDE, blame Gentoo for not handling Phonon
On Thursday 31 July 2014 15:37:51 Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 31/07/2014 12:45, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote:
So on that box you wouldn't choose a KDE program. Simple.
Yes, it was simple. Everything on gentoo is just s simple ;)
I think this is the first discussion about desktop
140731 Walter Dnes wrote:
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:47:29AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote
When reading pdf files, one expects images, so tiff and jpeg are
reasonable flags. One does *NOT* expect audio stuff like phonon.
And phonon *DEMANDS SOMETHING*. vlc is one of the options that
On 01/08/2014 05:16, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:47:29AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote
how much do you have to install if you deactivate all use flags for
okular? well, you still have all of qt... and kdelibs and phonon... but
you would loose a lot of the other stuff.
Am 01.08.2014 05:16, schrieb Walter Dnes:
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:47:29AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote
how much do you have to install if you deactivate all use flags for
okular? well, you still have all of qt... and kdelibs and phonon... but
you would loose a lot of the other stuff.
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 04:41:24AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote
I occasionally tried razorqt or enlightenment or twm...
and yeah, they load quickly. And then they are all useless for me.
I run ICEWM with 9 work areas dedicated to specific tasks or forums.
A desktop environment doesn't
On 31/07/2014 03:55, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:31:50PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote
Am 30.07.2014 21:48, schrieb Dale:
While to me KDE is bloated, I just try to disable what I can and carry
on. If my system was limited on resources, then I may use something else.
Walter Dnes wrote:
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 04:41:24AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote
I occasionally tried razorqt or enlightenment or twm...
and yeah, they load quickly. And then they are all useless for me.
I run ICEWM with 9 work areas dedicated to specific tasks or forums.
A desktop
On 31/07/2014 09:23, Dale wrote:
Walter Dnes wrote:
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 04:41:24AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote
I occasionally tried razorqt or enlightenment or twm...
and yeah, they load quickly. And then they are all useless for me.
I run ICEWM with 9 work areas dedicated to
On Thursday, July 31, 2014 08:34:09 AM Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 31/07/2014 03:55, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:31:50PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann
wrote
Am 30.07.2014 21:48, schrieb Dale:
While to me KDE is bloated, I just try to disable what I can and carry
on. If my
Am 31.07.2014 05:50, schrieb Alec Ten Harmsel:
okular is not a 'stinking pdf reader'. Nice try. But just like konqueror
it is just a wrapper around kparts and is able to deal with a lot more
files than just pdf and postscript.
That is what 'modular' and 'code reuse' really means.
And the
Clicked send too soon...
On Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:32:34 AM J. Roeleveld wrote:
On Thursday, July 31, 2014 08:34:09 AM Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 31/07/2014 03:55, Walter Dnes wrote:
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Seems that if I want to emerge and use KDE's pdf reader, I
need...
phonon
vlc (or
On Wednesday 30 July 2014 23:50:51 Alec Ten Harmsel wrote:
I love having KDE on my desktop (and okular is really nice), but on my
laptop (i3wm) I spend the vast majority of my time in vim and on the
terminal and shouldn't have to essentially install KDE to view a PDF
when I need to check some
On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 04:41:24 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
I occasionally tried razorqt or enlightenment or twm...
and yeah, they load quickly. And then they are all useless for me.
That's basically my experience. I'm impressed with the speed then find I
can't do what I want because the
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okular is not a 'stinking pdf reader'. Nice try. But just like konqueror
it is just a wrapper around kparts and is able to deal with a lot more
files than just pdf and postscript.
That is what 'modular' and 'code reuse' really means.
And the
On 31/07/2014 12:45, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote:
So on that box you wouldn't choose a KDE program. Simple.
Yes, it was simple. Everything on gentoo is just s simple ;)
I think this is the first discussion about desktop environments I've
ever seen that hasn't degenerated into a complete flame
On 31 July 2014 15:37:51 CEST, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 31/07/2014 12:45, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote:
So on that box you wouldn't choose a KDE program. Simple.
Yes, it was simple. Everything on gentoo is just s simple ;)
I think this is the first discussion about
On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:16:06 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
Just wait till Neil, me and a few others swing the topic over to WW II
fighter aircraft. The flames will start then.
Speaking of which...
One of my wishlist items is a fully functional B25. Would be great
during parties with
On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 15:33:38 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
Just wait till Neil, me and a few others swing the topic over to WW
II fighter aircraft. The flames will start then.
Speaking of which...
One of my wishlist items is a fully functional B25. Would be great
during parties
On 31 July 2014 16:33:38 CEST, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote:
On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:16:06 +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
Just wait till Neil, me and a few others swing the topic over to WW
II
fighter aircraft. The flames will start then.
Speaking of which...
One of my wishlist items
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 10:47:29AM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote
how much do you have to install if you deactivate all use flags for
okular? well, you still have all of qt... and kdelibs and phonon... but
you would loose a lot of the other stuff. vlc support in phonon is as
optional as
On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:07:30 + (UTC), James wrote:
YOU have chosen a somewhat minimalist path with your desktop, wisely
avoiding bloat_ware_city
Personally, I prefer USE=-hyperbole :)
But, to avoid pain do keep some minimal
collection of flags. Python is CRITICAL on gentoo, so ask
Am 30.07.2014 17:02, schrieb Neil Bothwick:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 14:07:30 + (UTC), James wrote:
YOU have chosen a somewhat minimalist path with your desktop, wisely
avoiding bloat_ware_city
Personally, I prefer USE=-hyperbole :)
But, to avoid pain do keep some minimal
collection of
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 6:37 PM, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
...
Thanks for your advice. They were surely helpful.
http://swift.siphos.be/linux_sea/
(Sven is a great human! He not only overseas much of the documentation,
he one of the SeLinux folks, should you venture into those
On 30/07/2014 20:02, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
This 'de-bloat' crap - who came up with that? People who use it all the
times seldomly realize that the 'small and unbloated' software they use
is in a lot of cases neither small, nor not bloated.
Usually it comes from the same
On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 20:02:11 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
YOU have chosen a somewhat minimalist path with your desktop, wisely
avoiding bloat_ware_city
Personally, I prefer USE=-hyperbole :)
But, to avoid pain do keep some minimal
collection of flags. Python is CRITICAL on
On 30/07/2014 20:56, James wrote:
Usually it comes from the same headspace that ricing comes from.
Wow, dude! a serious compliment from one of my many heros!
Do remember that my knowledge of ricing comes from the very coolest
and early vintige motorcycles:
The word ricing has a fine
Neil Bothwick wrote:
Small software can be bloated, large software can be bloat-free. It's all
about what is useful. functional != bloated, but all too often
lightweight, bloat free software can also be described as limited
or functionally challenged.
That is true. Some code can be really
On Wednesday 30 July 2014 20:26:48 Alan McKinnon wrote:
On 30/07/2014 20:02, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
This 'de-bloat' crap - who came up with that? People who use it all the
times seldomly realize that the 'small and unbloated' software they use
is in a lot of cases neither small, nor
Am 30.07.2014 22:18, schrieb Joost Roeleveld:
So now you know why ricers swear blind that -pipe in CFLAGS *doubles*
the running speed, dude!
It does!
I enabled -pipe in my CFLAGS and all the software was running a lot faster on
my new machine compared to my old one ;)
aaah a
Am 30.07.2014 21:48, schrieb Dale:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
Small software can be bloated, large software can be bloat-free. It's all
about what is useful. functional != bloated, but all too often
lightweight, bloat free software can also be described as limited
or functionally challenged.
On 30/07/2014 22:22, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 30.07.2014 22:18, schrieb Joost Roeleveld:
So now you know why ricers swear blind that -pipe in CFLAGS *doubles*
the running speed, dude!
It does!
I enabled -pipe in my CFLAGS and all the software was running a lot faster
on
my new
Am 30.07.2014 22:43, schrieb Alan McKinnon:
On 30/07/2014 22:22, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 30.07.2014 22:18, schrieb Joost Roeleveld:
So now you know why ricers swear blind that -pipe in CFLAGS *doubles*
the running speed, dude!
It does!
I enabled -pipe in my CFLAGS and all the software
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
and maybe you did exactly the wrong thing. KDE is very modular and
reuses its modules as much as it can. Which also means: memory is only
used once. There were once a very good (in my not so humble opinion.
It think very highly of myself) comparism here:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:54:07 -0500, Dale wrote:
The biggest thing for me, is just stuff I don't use or ever see me
needing. At one point, can't recall version, KDE4 was a bit of a memory
hog. It seems they have cleaned that up a lot since tho. Even on my
old rig which had 3GBs of ram and
On 31/07/14 04:22, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Am 30.07.2014 22:18, schrieb Joost Roeleveld:
So now you know why ricers swear blind that -pipe in CFLAGS *doubles*
the running speed, dude!
It does!
I enabled -pipe in my CFLAGS and all the software was running a lot faster
on
my new machine
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:54:07 -0500, Dale wrote:
The biggest thing for me, is just stuff I don't use or ever see me
needing. At one point, can't recall version, KDE4 was a bit of a memory
hog. It seems they have cleaned that up a lot since tho. Even on my
old rig which
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:31:50PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote
Am 30.07.2014 21:48, schrieb Dale:
While to me KDE is bloated, I just try to disable what I can and carry
on. If my system was limited on resources, then I may use something else.
and maybe you did exactly the wrong
Am 31.07.2014 02:26, schrieb Dale:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 15:54:07 -0500, Dale wrote:
The biggest thing for me, is just stuff I don't use or ever see me
needing. At one point, can't recall version, KDE4 was a bit of a memory
hog. It seems they have cleaned that up a lot
Am 31.07.2014 03:55, schrieb Walter Dnes:
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:31:50PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote
Am 30.07.2014 21:48, schrieb Dale:
While to me KDE is bloated, I just try to disable what I can and carry
on. If my system was limited on resources, then I may use something else.
okular is not a 'stinking pdf reader'. Nice try. But just like konqueror
it is just a wrapper around kparts and is able to deal with a lot more
files than just pdf and postscript.
That is what 'modular' and 'code reuse' really means.
And the opposite to what gnome does. 'oh, there is an
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