Re: [geo] Response to Svoboda and Irvine, J Reynolds

2014-08-17 Thread Toby Svoboda
Hi Ron, I agree that CDR warrants attention from ethicists (and others). For those attending the Berlin Climate Engineering Conference this week, there is a session on the ethics of CDR that might be of interest: http://www.ce-conference.org/ethics-carbon-dioxide-removal. Best, Toby The Ethics

RE: [geo] Response to Svoboda and Irvine, J Reynolds

2014-08-17 Thread Rau, Greg
Subject: Re: [geo] Response to Svoboda and Irvine, J Reynolds Hi Ron, I agree that CDR warrants attention from ethicists (and others). For those attending the Berlin Climate Engineering Conference this week, there is a session on the ethics of CDR that might be of interest: http://www.ce

Re: [geo] Response to Svoboda and Irvine, J Reynolds

2014-08-17 Thread Ronal W. Larson
Dr. Svoboda, list, and panelists 1. Thanks for the alert on this 1.5 hour panel. I hope that you and/or others can report back on any comparisons found for the ethics of CDR and SRM. 2. Curiously, a major news item relative to biochar just came to my attention yesterday

Re: [geo] Response to Svoboda and Irvine, J Reynolds

2014-08-17 Thread Ronal W. Larson
Dr. Svoboda etal (adding Dr. Joseph) Re this just identified Transparency report, whose title was Global Biochar Market is Expected to Reach 300 Kilo Tons and USD 572.3 Million by 2020 Just in tonight, on the Yahoo biochar list, from Dr. Stephen Joseph (a

RE: [geo] Response to Svoboda and Irvine, J Reynolds

2014-08-15 Thread J.L. Reynolds
://twitter.com/geoengpolicyhttp://bit.ly/1oQBIpR From: Toby Svoboda [mailto:tobysvob...@gmail.com] Sent: 14 August 2014 22:20 To: geoengineering Cc: Peter Irvine; J.L. Reynolds Subject: Re: [geo] Response to Svoboda and Irvine, J Reynolds Hi All, Interesting discussion. First, regarding intention, much

Re: [geo] Response to Svoboda and Irvine, J Reynolds

2014-08-15 Thread Ronal W. Larson
Dr. Svoboda, cc list and others in this dialog: 1. I thank you and the others writing about a portion of the ethics of Geoengieering. Your work is valuable. 2. But I am concerned that there has been only discussion of a portion of Geoengineering - only about SRM. Not just in

Re: [geo] Response to Svoboda and Irvine, J Reynolds

2014-08-14 Thread Christopher Preston
, and Technology email: j.l.re...@uvt.nl http://works.bepress.com/jessreyn/ -Original Message- From: geoengi...@googlegroups.com [mailto:geoengi...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lockley Sent: 12 August 2014 19:21 To: geoengineering Subject: [geo] Response to Svoboda

Re: [geo] Response to Svoboda and Irvine, J Reynolds

2014-08-14 Thread Toby Svoboda
] Response to Svoboda and Irvine, J Reynolds Ethics, Policy Environment Volume 17, Issue 2, 2014 Response to Svoboda and Irvine Full access DOI:10.1080/21550085.2014.926080 Jesse Reynolds Published online: 08 Aug 2014 In this issue, Svoboda and Irvine (Svoboda Irvine, 20146. Svoboda, T

Re: [geo] Response to Svoboda and Irvine, J Reynolds

2014-08-13 Thread Jamais Cascio
I'm sorry if I was unclear. Intent and attribution are of course independent of each other, but both would be relevant to attempts to secure compensation for post/mid-CE weather disasters. Of the two, intent will be the far easier one to determine. Again: Are there fundamental differences in

Re: [geo] Response to Svoboda and Irvine, J Reynolds

2014-08-13 Thread Josh Horton
To: geoengineering Subject: [geo] Response to Svoboda and Irvine, J Reynolds Ethics, Policy Environment Volume 17, Issue 2, 2014 Response to Svoboda and Irvine Full access DOI:10.1080/21550085.2014.926080 Jesse Reynolds Published online: 08 Aug 2014 In this issue, Svoboda and Irvine (Svoboda

[geo] Response to Svoboda and Irvine, J Reynolds

2014-08-12 Thread Andrew Lockley
Ethics, Policy Environment Volume 17, Issue 2, 2014 Response to Svoboda and Irvine Full access DOI:10.1080/21550085.2014.926080 Jesse Reynolds Published online: 08 Aug 2014 In this issue, Svoboda and Irvine (Svoboda Irvine, 20146. Svoboda, T., Irvine, P. (2014). Ethical and technical

Re: [geo] Response to Svoboda and Irvine, J Reynolds

2014-08-12 Thread Ken Caldeira
How and why do the challenges of compensation for solar geoengineering damage fundamentally differ from the challenges associated with compensation for damages associated greenhouse gas or tropospheric aerosol emissions that are byproducts of industrial activity? The main differences that I see

Re: [geo] Response to Svoboda and Irvine, J Reynolds

2014-08-12 Thread Jamais Cascio
Level and intentionality of contribution is one component. Provable attribution is another, which is also relevant to climate engineering: if Weather Disaster X happens six months after the onset of SRM, how can it be proven that WDX was (or was not) triggered by SRM? It may be useful to look

Re: [geo] Response to Svoboda and Irvine, J Reynolds

2014-08-12 Thread Ken Caldeira
How does whether the intervention was intentional vs. merely knowing affect the attribution problem? Attribution of effects to causes in physical systems is independent of motivations. In either case, damaging third parties was not the goal. In both cases (intentionally vs knowingly causing

Re: [geo] Response to Svoboda and Irvine, J Reynolds

2014-08-12 Thread Andrew Lockley
I'm surprised that nobody ever seems to mention that, philosophically, geoengineering is rather like the trolley problem (particularly the 'fat man' case). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem Consideration of this seems particularly appropriate to earlier discussions on this thread. A

RE: [geo] Response to Svoboda and Irvine, J Reynolds

2014-08-12 Thread Doug MacMartin
: geoengineering@googlegroups.com [mailto:geoengineering@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Lockley Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 3:55 PM To: Ken Caldeira Cc: Jamais Cascio; geoengineering; Irvine, Peter; tsvob...@fairfield.edu Subject: Re: [geo] Response to Svoboda and Irvine, J Reynolds I'm

RE: [geo] Response to Svoboda and Irvine, J Reynolds (intention)

2014-08-12 Thread George Collins
If I emit CO2 with the intent of changing climate versus the intent of driving to work, does that change anything relevant to compensation or attribution issues? Forgive the long post, but it's actually a very complex question. Also, I'm wearing my U.S. lawyer's hat (but this is a