[Gimp-developer] How to create a ZOOM tool

2007-08-02 Thread Rafael Barbolo Lopes
Hi, I'm developing a zoom tool for a Paint activity for OLPC.
The activity uses only PyGTK for Image manipulation.
I'm looking for an algorithm to implement the zoom tool. Can you help me
sending information or where I can get it.
Thanks a lot

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[Gimp-developer] GIMP User Interface

2007-08-02 Thread Esteban Barahona
2007/8/2, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hi,
>
> On 8/2/07, Esteban Barahona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > and one of 1 Dimension Menus which is a bit more matured (see
> attachment...
>
> In general it is considered a bad idea to send attachments to
> mailing-lists. No matter how small they are. Please upload things to
> your website or use the public Wiki and post a link.


I forgot the attachment. But later I send an e-mail with attachments that
apparently didn't pass moderation.

here's the mock-up
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/61253775/

and here's the idea of 1 Dimension Menus explained:
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/61254113/

can this be implemented using GTK?

And please change the subject to something meaningful when you reply to
> the mailing-list digest.
>
>
> Sven
>

I didn't realized that when replying to mailing lists' diggests the subject
was not meaningful until I read the archives. Since it's basic netiquette I
will be more careful from now on.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP User Interface

2007-08-02 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 11:29 -0600, Esteban Barahona wrote:

> here's the mock-up
> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/61253775/
> 
> and here's the idea of 1 Dimension Menus explained:
> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/61254113/

Sorry, but these images are simply too small. The text can hardly be
read.

> can this be implemented using GTK?

Short answer: No.

Long answer: You could implement a user interface that makes use of
transparency like this but it would only work on a very small subset of
the operating systems and hardware that we support currently. Perhaps if
you waited another five years, it could be considered.


Sven



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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP User Interface

2007-08-02 Thread Esteban Barahona
2007/8/2, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 11:29 -0600, Esteban Barahona wrote:
>
> > here's the mock-up
> > http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/61253775/
> >
> > and here's the idea of 1 Dimension Menus explained:
> > http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/61254113/
>
> Sorry, but these images are simply too small. The text can hardly be
> read.


Changed the default size, now the text should be more readable.

> can this be implemented using GTK?
>
> Short answer: No.
>
> Long answer: You could implement a user interface that makes use of
> transparency like this but it would only work on a very small subset of
> the operating systems and hardware that we support currently. Perhaps if
> you waited another five years, it could be considered.
>
>
> Sven


In the first image the transparency shows what is hided, not how it will be
displayed. In the second there is transparency, but the idea is to have more
space when selecting an item. Can a hide-unhide vertical menu be implemented
for the tools using GTK?
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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP User Interface

2007-08-02 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 12:34 -0600, Esteban Barahona wrote:


> In the first image the transparency shows what is hided, not how it
> will be displayed.

Still this kind of user interface would need support from the toolkit. I
don't think it can be written on top of what is available in GTK+ now.

> In the second there is transparency, but the idea is to have more
> space when selecting an item. Can a hide-unhide vertical menu be
> implemented for the tools using GTK? 

Pretty much anything can be done. Someone just needs to write the code
for it. The user interface you are suggesting is interesting and it
might be a good idea to explore these ideas further, to code a prototype
and to aim for inclusion in GTK+. If GTK+ provided this functionality, I
am sure a lot of apps would start using it. GIMP is usually among the
first applications to adopt new widgets. So there's a good chance that
this would happen here as well.


Sven


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Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP User Interface

2007-08-02 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 23:01 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> GTK+ can be ... hmm, a bit refractory to even small change from outside.

That is simply not true. There's just a high quality level which means
more API and code review.

> How do you think some fairly radical change like this would be best  
> presented?

There is a lot of talk about getting more bling into GTK+ these days.
Just hop on the bandwagon. Look at how other people present their fancy
ideas for GTK+ improvements. planet.gnome.org is full of them lately.


Sven


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[Gimp-developer] completely new layout of gimp site

2007-08-02 Thread damianzalewski
Hi

I want you to show completely new layout of gimp.org instead of this
one at next.gimp.org

This is just a prototape.

Here's a link
http://ps6.webd.pl/gimpweb/gimp_org.png

It is over 600kb png file so be patient

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Re: [Gimp-developer] GAP

2007-08-02 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 8/2/07, Sven Neumann wrote:

> I forgot to say. If anyone wants to update translations for the 2.2.2
> release of gimp-gap (http://l10n.gnome.org/module/gimp-gap#gap-2-2),
> please do so quickly.

I started looking into it and here is what I've run into so far:

1. Old method of creating menus
(/Video/submenu/another_submenu/) is used.

2. As result of the above, I've translated all translatable instances
of "/Video/", but I still see name of the top level menu
"/Video/" in English (would be neat having a mnemonic key for
Video, btw).

3. I also see actually translated menu items (e.g.
"/Video/Layer/Colors/Levels...") in English after replacing
/usr/share/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/gimp20-gap.mo with a new one and
restarting GIMP. Updating translations while having this kind of
issues is not much fun :(

4. "Script-Fu" menu is created by "Selection to AnimImage".

5. Dialogs still show "Help" button even if it's disabled in GIMP's preferences.

Alexandre
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Re: [Gimp-developer] completely new layout of gimp site

2007-08-02 Thread Esteban Barahona
2007/8/2, damianzalewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hi
>
> I want you to show completely new layout of gimp.org instead of this
> one at next.gimp.org
>
> This is just a prototape.
>
> Here's a link
> http://ps6.webd.pl/gimpweb/gimp_org.png
>
> It is over 600kb png file so be patient


I like it, it's better than the current one. But I suggest some changes:
1) there's too much wasted space on the top. this is the place that users
see first, and currently it's a green bg. The dark menu should be on top.
2) the text should be text, not images. This font looks nice, but it seems
not common. I haven't read the html, but it shouldn't be implemented as
images just to use that font. This allows for users to change size and even
the font (from useit).
3) there's 2 menus that look similar. it's better to have just one or make
two menus with clearly different purposes.
4) -minor- there's 3 green bgs. Why not use an image bg and a solid color
bg?
5) -minor- the dark menu could be horizontal (placed on top of the website).
also there's no need to label it "menu". the blueish color may be used as a
hover effect.
6) there's no graphics, at minimum place a logo that links to the
/index.html (from useit, in /index.html it shouldn't be a link) and
-optional- some screenshots.
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Re: [Gimp-developer] GAP

2007-08-02 Thread Esteban Barahona
2007/8/2, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hi,
>
> I forgot to say. If anyone wants to update translations for the 2.2.2
> release of gimp-gap (http://l10n.gnome.org/module/gimp-gap#gap-2-2),
> please do so quickly.
>
>
> Sven



I can translate to Spanish, how can I submit changes? ...the only time I
helped translation was with Ubuntu, they have a great app for online
translation that separates what has to be changed (
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+translations). Is it possible to implement
this for GIMP?
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Re: [Gimp-developer] GAP

2007-08-02 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 04:31 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

> 3. I also see actually translated menu items (e.g.
> "/Video/Layer/Colors/Levels...") in English after replacing
> /usr/share/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/gimp20-gap.mo with a new one and
> restarting GIMP.

Are you absolutely sure that you removed the "fuzzy" marker after
updating the translation?


Sven


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Re: [Gimp-developer] GAP

2007-08-02 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 18:40 -0600, Esteban Barahona wrote:

> I can translate to Spanish, how can I submit changes?

The translations for GIMP as well as for GAP are handled by the GNOME
translation project. If you want to help, please contact the Spanish
translation team: http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/es


Sven


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Re: [Gimp-developer] completely new layout of gimp site

2007-08-02 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 01:13 +0200, damianzalewski wrote:

> I want you to show completely new layout of gimp.org instead of this
> one at next.gimp.org

Please post this to the gimp-web mailing-list. Here is not the place to
discuss the web-site. And perhaps it would be a good idea to wait until
the new site has gone online. Currently people are working hard on
preparing everything for the GIMP 2.4 release and they are likely not
going to have time to consider yet another web-site layout.


Sven


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Re: [Gimp-developer] GAP

2007-08-02 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

the problems you outlined can't be solved for the GAP 2.2.2 release.
This release is bug-fixes only and it is supposed to run with GIMP 2.2
and GIMP 2.4. So it can't use any new features from the GIMP 2.4 API.

If you want to make sure that the user experience with GAP 2.4 will be
better, then you should help Wolfgang by reporting problems and by
fixing them. He is likely going to do a GAP 2.4 release later this year.


Sven


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Re: [Gimp-developer] completely new layout of gimp site

2007-08-02 Thread damianzalewski
Witam Esteban,

Friday, August 3, 2007, 2:17:11 AM, napisałe/aś:

EB> 2007/8/2, damianzalewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I want you to show completely new layout of gimp.org instead of this
>> one at next.gimp.org
>>
>> This is just a prototape.
>>
>> Here's a link
>> http://ps6.webd.pl/gimpweb/gimp_org.png
>>
>> It is over 600kb png file so be patient


EB> I like it, it's better than the current one. But I suggest some changes:
EB> 1) there's too much wasted space on the top. this is the place that users
EB> see first, and currently it's a green bg. The dark menu should be on top.
EB> 2) the text should be text, not images. This font looks nice, but it seems
EB> not common. I haven't read the html, but it shouldn't be implemented as
EB> images just to use that font. This allows for users to change size and even
EB> the font (from useit).
EB> 3) there's 2 menus that look similar. it's better to have just one or make
EB> two menus with clearly different purposes.
EB> 4) -minor- there's 3 green bgs. Why not use an image bg and a solid color
EB> bg?
EB> 5) -minor- the dark menu could be horizontal (placed on top of the website).
EB> also there's no need to label it "menu". the blueish color may be used as a
EB> hover effect.
EB> 6) there's no graphics, at minimum place a logo that links to the
EB> /index.html (from useit, in /index.html it shouldn't be a link) and
EB> -optional- some screenshots.
 

1.Yes, the top is too big but I can be easily reduced by almost a half.

2. But it looks nice however it be changed with more common font

3. As a matter of fact submenu is optional too.

4,5,6 This is just prototype



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