Re: [Gimp-developer] Default values for window management settings
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:31:25 +0100, Simon Budig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sven Neumann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Switching to activate-on-focus as the default setting seems to make > > sense given that most desktops seem to be using "click-to-focus" by > > default these days. We used to set this to yes for Win32 only but I'd > > like to avoid different default settings if possible. > > * (activate-on-focus yes) breaks in the focus-follows-mouse model, > since the active view changes randomly when you just move your mouse > across the Screen, containing multiple image views. This is interesting... I use a WM with focus-follows-mouse, and I think that (activate-on-focus yes) is more useful than (activate-on-focus no), as long as I do not have too many image windows open. If I only have two or three image windows open and I want to do something in the layers dialog for each of them, I find that I can select the right image faster by just moving over it and then back to the layers dialog instead of having to click or type a key in the image window or select the right image from the drop-down list. This does not work so well when there are many images stacked on top of each other so I agree that this option cannot be used all the time for the focus-follows-mouse model, but I would not call this feature "broken" in all cases. > * (activate-on-focus no) works for both models, It doesn't work so well for the click-to-focus model. Those who use this kind of WMs (this is the default on most platforms and almost the only choice on Windows) are used to cliking on the title bar of a window to activate it because clicking in the window itself could trigger some unwanted action. For those users, the option (activate-on-focus no) makes the GIMP appear to be "broken" because clicking on the title bar or window decoration does not work as in all other applications. As you know, we even got a bug report about this: bug #109527. So I think that the defaults proposed by Sven are appropriate for the majority of our users. I also think that it would be nicer to set these defaults according to what focus model is used by the current WM, but this is not easy to do. I have some ideas about how to do that (not in all cases, but in a way that would be "good enough") and I hope to be able to integrate this improved installation step into GIMP 2.2. -Raphaël ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Default values for window management settings
Hi, Henrik Brix Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 15:50, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: > > I was making a title in Gimp 1.3.23, and was using 140pt font. > > Suddenly, by accident I flipped the mouse wheel over the "unit" > > listbox ..it changed from PT to IN hell came over on my desktop. > > before I could do much, the keyboard froze as the GIMP tried to > > allocate more memory than avaliable in the whole city - I managed to > > xkill the gimp, but the X server remained frozen. I had to remote > > login and kill the X process. > > I believe this is a known issue: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85103 No, that is the wrong bug number. The related bug is #118356 as well as #122707. The bug you mentioned here doesn't affect GIMP-1.3 at all and I just changed the milestone accordingly. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Default values for window management settings
Hi, "Joao S. O. Bueno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I had an Horrible Experience (tm) regarding this yesterday. > > I was making a title in Gimp 1.3.23, and was using 140pt font. > Suddenly, by accident I flipped the mouse wheel over the "unit" > listbox ..it changed from PT to IN hell came over on my desktop. > before I could do much, the keyboard froze as the GIMP tried to > allocate more memory than avaliable in the whole city - I managed to > xkill the gimp, but the X server remained frozen. I had to remote > login and kill the X process. > > Since this the whole issue is not strictly related to activate on > focus, but on memory consumption by the Text plugin, Sven, do you > think it would be feasible to put a warning on the font-size > selectors, just as there are when one tries to create an image too > large? This is completely unrelated to the discussion, so please keep it out of it. There's a bug report about it already and it will be taken care of before 2.0. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Default values for window management settings
On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 15:50, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: > I was making a title in Gimp 1.3.23, and was using 140pt font. > Suddenly, by accident I flipped the mouse wheel over the "unit" > listbox ..it changed from PT to IN hell came over on my desktop. > before I could do much, the keyboard froze as the GIMP tried to > allocate more memory than avaliable in the whole city - I managed to > xkill the gimp, but the X server remained frozen. I had to remote > login and kill the X process. I believe this is a known issue: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85103 ./Brix -- Henrik Brix Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Default values for window management settings
On Tuesday 25 November 2003 11:42, Tino Schwarze wrote: > > Although I have a strong opinion against click-to-focus, it's > probably the most widely used default and "expert users" are used > to changing this setting anyway, so the default makes sense. > > However, it would be great, if the window manager's focus policy > could be determined and the default changed acccordingly (since > activate-on-focus will complicate things with a point-to-focus > policy) I had an Horrible Experience (tm) regarding this yesterday. I was making a title in Gimp 1.3.23, and was using 140pt font. Suddenly, by accident I flipped the mouse wheel over the "unit" listbox ..it changed from PT to IN hell came over on my desktop. before I could do much, the keyboard froze as the GIMP tried to allocate more memory than avaliable in the whole city - I managed to xkill the gimp, but the X server remained frozen. I had to remote login and kill the X process. Since this the whole issue is not strictly related to activate on focus, but on memory consumption by the Text plugin, Sven, do you think it would be feasible to put a warning on the font-size selectors, just as there are when one tries to create an image too large? > Bye, Tino. -- regards, JS -><- ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Default values for window management settings
Sven Neumann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > The question I'd like to bring up is what should be the default values > for these. After quite some discussions I now propose the following: > [...] > (activate-on-focus yes) > [...] > Switching to activate-on-focus as the default setting seems to make > sense given that most desktops seem to be using "click-to-focus" by > default these days. We used to set this to yes for Win32 only but I'd > like to avoid different default settings if possible. > > So, if you have a strong opinion against this change, please speak up > now. I have a strong opinion on that, mainly because I put a lot of thought and discussion effort into the active-view idea when I proposed it. It basically boils down to: * (activate-on-focus yes) breaks in the focus-follows-mouse model, since the active view changes randomly when you just move your mouse across the Screen, containing multiple image views. * (activate-on-focus no) works for both models, While I agree that (activate-on-focus yes) works better for the click-to-focus model, we should avoid shipping a default with a broken behaviour on focus-follows-mouse models. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Default values for window management settings
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tino Schwarze) writes: > However, it would be great, if the window manager's focus policy > could be determined and the default changed acccordingly (since > activate-on-focus will complicate things with a point-to-focus > policy) Sure, but as far as I know there is no well-established and portable way of getting this piece of information. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Default values for window management settings
Hi, Sven Neumann wrote: > The question I'd like to bring up is what should be the default values > for these. After quite some discussions I now propose the following: > > (toolbox??window??type normal) > (dock??window??type normal) > (activate??on??focus yes) I agree wholehearedly. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary, Lyon, France E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Default values for window management settings
On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 01:33:15PM +0100, Sven Neumann wrote: > The question I'd like to bring up is what should be the default values > for these. After quite some discussions I now propose the following: > > (toolbox¡¾window¡¾type normal) > (dock¡¾window¡¾type normal) > (activate¡¾on¡¾focus yes) > > This means that we wouldn't set the utility window type hint any > longer (at least not by default). It was causing a lot of confusion > and whoever liked the special treatment that some window managers give > these windows can easily change this in the preferences dialog. > > Switching to activate-on-focus as the default setting seems to make > sense given that most desktops seem to be using "click-to-focus" by > default these days. We used to set this to yes for Win32 only but I'd > like to avoid different default settings if possible. Although I have a strong opinion against click-to-focus, it's probably the most widely used default and "expert users" are used to changing this setting anyway, so the default makes sense. However, it would be great, if the window manager's focus policy could be determined and the default changed acccordingly (since activate-on-focus will complicate things with a point-to-focus policy) Bye, Tino. -- * LINUX - Where do you want to be tomorrow? * http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/linux/tag/ ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Default values for window management settings
Hi, as discussed in bug #115092, we have recently added some gimprc settings that allow to tune how GIMP interacts with the window manager. Here's what the gimprc manpage says about the new settings: (toolbox‐window‐type normal) The window type hint that is set on the toolbox. This may affect how your window manager decorates and handles the toolbox window. Possible values are normal and utility. (dock‐window‐type utility) The window type hint that is set on dock windows. This may affect the way your window manager decorates and handles dock windows. Possible values are normal and utility. (activate‐on‐focus no) When enabled, an image will become the active image when its image window receives the focus. This is useful for window managers using "click to focus". Possible values are yes and no. The question I'd like to bring up is what should be the default values for these. After quite some discussions I now propose the following: (toolbox‐window‐type normal) (dock‐window‐type normal) (activate‐on‐focus yes) This means that we wouldn't set the utility window type hint any longer (at least not by default). It was causing a lot of confusion and whoever liked the special treatment that some window managers give these windows can easily change this in the preferences dialog. Switching to activate-on-focus as the default setting seems to make sense given that most desktops seem to be using "click-to-focus" by default these days. We used to set this to yes for Win32 only but I'd like to avoid different default settings if possible. So, if you have a strong opinion against this change, please speak up now. Sven ___ Gimp-developer mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
