[Gimp-developer] paint dynamics in the git version
A small but annoying point: when I edit a paint dynamics, the new dockable dialog dor this editing always pops up below the paint dynamics dialog. I have to move it elsewhere and place it in the foreground. This is the only dialog with this behaviour, to my knowledge. -- Olivier Lecarme ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] paint dynamics in the git version
In a git version compiled a few hours ago, there remain at least two anomalies in the Paint Dynamics dialog: Duplicate Dynamics is always inoperant, and on the contrary it is still possible to edit a predefind dynamics by using other tabs than the mapping matrix. Moreover, Duplicate Dynamics, when it will work, should also appear as a button in the bottom of the Paint Dynamics dialog. -- Olivier Lecarme ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Paint Dynamics in git version
>> > A useful feature, in the same vein, would be to store resources in >> > sub-folders of the normal folder, and to give them automatically a tag >> > depending on the name of the sub-folder. Maybe also this could help the >> > idea >> > of lazy loading that you mention: a given sub-folder would be loaded >> > only if >> > the corresponding tag is used as a filter. >> >> I think tags are more flexible than folders. You can put a thing in >> only one folder (category) while tagging solution allows to assign any >> number of tags (categories, keywords) that should make it easier to >> find an item you're searching for. > > I explained my idea poorly, let's try again. Suppose you find somewhere a > large set of interesting brushes, which you plan to use some times, but not > always. You install them in a sub-folder of your brushes folder, and choose > for this sub-folder a meaningful name. Then, maybe depending on some > explicit action, you would ask to import these brushes, giving to them as a > first tag their sub-folder name. This would not prevent you to add to them > other tags later, but it would automatically categorize them, and you could > look at them in the brushes dialog simply by placing their tag in the filter > field. By the way, it would also be useful, especially in this case, to have > a negative filter, i.e. filter the resources that don't have a given tag. > -- > Olivier Lecarme > Olivier - Take a look at the GURM python plugin http://registry.gimp.org/node/13473 This is what I use currently for managing my patterns, brushes, and gradients. The only drawback for me is that it only supports a single (flat) directory structure. If it were enhanced to allow selection of folders and subfolders then it would be extremely useful, rather than just really useful ;) I am not sure, however, if such a tool will work well with tagging as I do not know if once resources are unloaded the tag information is discarded and lost the next time the resources are loaded... -Rob A> ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Paint Dynamics in git version
2010/3/10 Aurimas Juška > Hi, > > 2010/3/9 Olivier : > > With regards to useful extensions to this feature, it seems to me that > the > > most important one is the capability to tag several resources at the same > > time, for example using combinations of the Ctrl and Shift keys while > > clicking. In fact, this feature is useful mainly when you have a lot of > > brushes, for example, and it would be a burden to have to tag several > > hundreds of them. > I have just commit such feature into development version. In you > choose 'View as list' in any data view you can select multiple in > usual way. Common set of tags for all selected items is displayed in > assign tags box. If you add/remove tags there, all selected objects > are updated accordingly. It is possible that in the future this > feature will be available in other views and more actions might be > available on multiple items at a time. > > Thanks a lot, this adds something very useful, and strongly improves the usability of the whole thing. > > A useful feature, in the same vein, would be to store resources in > > sub-folders of the normal folder, and to give them automatically a tag > > depending on the name of the sub-folder. Maybe also this could help the > idea > > of lazy loading that you mention: a given sub-folder would be loaded only > if > > the corresponding tag is used as a filter. > > I think tags are more flexible than folders. You can put a thing in > only one folder (category) while tagging solution allows to assign any > number of tags (categories, keywords) that should make it easier to > find an item you're searching for. > I explained my idea poorly, let's try again. Suppose you find somewhere a large set of interesting brushes, which you plan to use some times, but not always. You install them in a sub-folder of your brushes folder, and choose for this sub-folder a meaningful name. Then, maybe depending on some explicit action, you would ask to import these brushes, giving to them as a first tag their sub-folder name. This would not prevent you to add to them other tags later, but it would automatically categorize them, and you could look at them in the brushes dialog simply by placing their tag in the filter field. By the way, it would also be useful, especially in this case, to have a negative filter, i.e. filter the resources that don't have a given tag. -- Olivier Lecarme ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Paint Dynamics in git version
2010/3/10 Aurimas Juška > Hi, > > 2010/3/10 Rob Antonishen >> What is the format for this? If I wanted to distribute (for example) >> a set of pre-tagged patterns, could this be done currently in the dev >> build? > > There is no such feature yet. The idea is a simple archive of resouces > + tags + possibly some metadata. When resource package is dragged on > GIMP it would install where necessary. Some tool to create such > packages would be good too. However, first tag file format would have > to be standardized a bit so that resource packages could be used not > only in GIMP. > > Additional ideas are welcome. > > Regards, > Aurimas > Thanks for the response. So where/how are tags stored now? In a separate rc fil somewhere? -Rob A> ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Paint Dynamics in git version
Hi, 2010/3/10 Rob Antonishen : > What is the format for this? If I wanted to distribute (for example) > a set of pre-tagged patterns, could this be done currently in the dev > build? There is no such feature yet. The idea is a simple archive of resouces + tags + possibly some metadata. When resource package is dragged on GIMP it would install where necessary. Some tool to create such packages would be good too. However, first tag file format would have to be standardized a bit so that resource packages could be used not only in GIMP. Additional ideas are welcome. Regards, Aurimas ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Paint Dynamics in git version
2010/3/8 Aurimas Juška : > Hi, > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Alexia Death wrote: >>> By the way, is there somewhere some explanations about the purpose and use >>> of tags and filters? I think I can guess a large part of this, but reading >>> authorized text would be useful. >> >> I doubt there is a text, even less authorized one, on this. Closest you can >> get is when you find Auris , the author of this feature, in IRC and get him >> to >> talk to you. Shouldn't be that complicated tho. you can assign tags to >> resources and you can use filters to see just the tagged ones. > > You can go to http://sites.google.com/site/aurijusk/gimp-resource-tagging > and choose tagging.pdf. > > Regards, > Aurimas Hi- In that document it states: Easy resource package import and export It would be nice to allow users to share their favorite resources which could be saved into packages (together with tags assigned to them) and then shared with other users which could import them. What is the format for this? If I wanted to distribute (for example) a set of pre-tagged patterns, could this be done currently in the dev build? -Rob A> ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Paint Dynamics in git version
Hi, On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Alexia Death wrote: >> By the way, is there somewhere some explanations about the purpose and use >> of tags and filters? I think I can guess a large part of this, but reading >> authorized text would be useful. > > I doubt there is a text, even less authorized one, on this. Closest you can > get is when you find Auris , the author of this feature, in IRC and get him to > talk to you. Shouldn't be that complicated tho. you can assign tags to > resources and you can use filters to see just the tagged ones. You can go to http://sites.google.com/site/aurijusk/gimp-resource-tagging and choose tagging.pdf. Regards, Aurimas ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Paint Dynamics in git version
On Sunday 07 March 2010 17:25:36 Olivier wrote: > 1. What is the difference between Fade Tapering and Fade Tappering, and the > same question for Velocity Tapering and Tappering? One is renamed other. I made a typo. Sorry. Since you didn't do "make uninstall" between updates,you ended up with both. > 2. When trying to change an existing Paint Dynamics, the Mapping Matrix is > grayed out, to show that it is read-only. However, the other tabs are not, > and I can check boxes and change curves. Is this a bug or a feature? That is a bug. You are not supposed to be able to edit anything for now, but hopefully things change before 2.8. > By the way, is there somewhere some explanations about the purpose and use > of tags and filters? I think I can guess a large part of this, but reading > authorized text would be useful. I doubt there is a text, even less authorized one, on this. Closest you can get is when you find Auris , the author of this feature, in IRC and get him to talk to you. Shouldn't be that complicated tho. you can assign tags to resources and you can use filters to see just the tagged ones. --alexia ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] Paint Dynamics in git version
Two questions about Paint Dynamics, a feature which I find extremely promising, and about which I would like very much to have more explanations than the current GUI specifications: 1. What is the difference between Fade Tapering and Fade Tappering, and the same question for Velocity Tapering and Tappering? 2. When trying to change an existing Paint Dynamics, the Mapping Matrix is grayed out, to show that it is read-only. However, the other tabs are not, and I can check boxes and change curves. Is this a bug or a feature? By the way, is there somewhere some explanations about the purpose and use of tags and filters? I think I can guess a large part of this, but reading authorized text would be useful. -- Olivier Lecarme ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] paint dynamics
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:24 AM, LightningIsMyName wrote: > Hello > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Alexia Death wrote: > 2. The painting of the matrix as showed in the specifications seems > very hard, and I doubt it worths it. We can easily implement different > colors for each row, and users will have to settle for a little border > between the columns. http://www.pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/class-gtktreeview.html Looks like it is possible to disable cell borders (and I think it may be necessary when the cells are small like this-- we want to avoid the borders visually overwhelming the cell content. > If we agree to give up the proposed matrix > painting and choose what I suggested, it can be done with GtkTreeView > without any special changes, but it will leave the simpler GtkTable > our of the question (which is fine with me). > 3. Adding the images with the link's color should be a bit tricky, but > I assume that it can be done dynamically (by drawing those images > after acquiring the link's color, instead of embedding ready bitmaps). > 4. Popup window: Part 1 - the curves widget. This can definetly be > stolen from the curves tool, no need to work twice. The only needed > modification is that we can show some other curves at the background, > and that we add min and max arrows. > 5. Popup window: Part 2 - switching the tabs. This doesn't seem to > bad, especially since we already have similar functionality in the > curves tool. > > only two things seem problomatic: > A treeview widget can't have a bitmap in it's header, And adding the > bitmaps as the first row is ugly and probably not the right way to do > this. The guys on the GTK mailing list will probably be able to help > us out here. > And another questions is, why do we have the same header images at the > bottom? Adding a footer to a GtkTreeView isn't possible. Do we really > need that? Here i'm defintly sure it's not worth the coding amount > that it will require, and I personally find it confusing. I believe that this kind of measure is usually taken when the number of input variables is anticipated to increase (so perhaps you won't be able to see the top and bottom at the same time) > > I haven't seen anything that scary in here, but I doubt that I'll have > time to touch it in this month. If I implement something like this on > a dummy GtkWindow (instead of hacking GIMP's source code, which I > don't excel at) as a stand-alone Gtk application, will it help? > If so, I'll try to give it a shot. > If you want to see how to use the TreeView and the CellRenderer, the > gtk-demo program (which comes with GTK) has a nice example under "Tree > View/List Store". The code is very simple and in one of the columns > you'll see the Toggle renderer. > >> for example, one dock needs to hold 2.5 distinct views > I haven't understood that sentence. Can you please explain (or, have I > referred to it already)? I think I understood it: one dockable must hold a) the matrix, b) the input mapping, and c) the output mapping I thought this was a fairly simple problem in GTK terms. 1. Put the matrix inside its own VBox. Pack it at the start of the window. (This may require nesting inside another VBox.) 2. Put the input and output mapping in another VBox (one they share.) in the following manner: 1. Presets (shared between input and output) 2. Inputs selector 3. Outputs selector 4. Curve display (shared?) 5. 'Inputs' label 6. 'Outputs' label 7. Inputs treeview 8. Outputs treeview 9. 'Show current input' 3. When switching modes, we: 1. If switching to matrix mode, hide the input/output vbox. Show the matrix vbox. Done. 2. If switching away from matrix mode, hide the matrix vbox. 3. If switching to inputs or outputs mode, we need to iterate over the widgets in the VBox; Hide any widgets not specific to the mode in question. I think there is a widget grouping mechanism in GTK that allows for this kind of distinction. That is in fact somewhat ugly. There is probably another solution involving packing the input/output widgets on the fly. That would be neater code-wise, and somewhat slower. I don't know whether the above would argue with the dockable's idea of how tall it ought to be. That might be what Alexia was talking about. > Just one offtopic comment: Some of the icons seem very unintuitive - > even as an "old" GIMP user I'm still confused by the fifth one from > the left. What does it stand for? It looks like it's probably meant to be 'random'. I got that from the list, not the graphic, though. ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] paint dynamics
Hello On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Alexia Death wrote: > Curves widget is not a problem. Problem is the general making of Peter's > spec[1] so that developers who do know gtk, dont faint in disgust at the sight > of the code. for example, one dock needs to hold 2.5 distinct views. the check > gird and two very similar variants of curves views switched by the drop down. > I cant even imagine a solution for this in gtk terms. > > [1] http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/Paint_dynamics_specification Wow! This seems to be an amazing idea, and probably extremly long to implement... So let's do some analyzing: 1. We need to implement a check grid. This seems to be pretty simple using a GtkTable (if we pick the simple way), or if we use a GtkTreeView (which can actually show a table) with GtkCellRendererToggle. 2. The painting of the matrix as showed in the specifications seems very hard, and I doubt it worths it. We can easily implement different colors for each row, and users will have to settle for a little border between the columns. If we agree to give up the proposed matrix painting and choose what I suggested, it can be done with GtkTreeView without any special changes, but it will leave the simpler GtkTable our of the question (which is fine with me). 3. Adding the images with the link's color should be a bit tricky, but I assume that it can be done dynamically (by drawing those images after acquiring the link's color, instead of embedding ready bitmaps). 4. Popup window: Part 1 - the curves widget. This can definetly be stolen from the curves tool, no need to work twice. The only needed modification is that we can show some other curves at the background, and that we add min and max arrows. 5. Popup window: Part 2 - switching the tabs. This doesn't seem to bad, especially since we already have similar functionality in the curves tool. only two things seem problomatic: A treeview widget can't have a bitmap in it's header, And adding the bitmaps as the first row is ugly and probably not the right way to do this. The guys on the GTK mailing list will probably be able to help us out here. And another questions is, why do we have the same header images at the bottom? Adding a footer to a GtkTreeView isn't possible. Do we really need that? Here i'm defintly sure it's not worth the coding amount that it will require, and I personally find it confusing. I haven't seen anything that scary in here, but I doubt that I'll have time to touch it in this month. If I implement something like this on a dummy GtkWindow (instead of hacking GIMP's source code, which I don't excel at) as a stand-alone Gtk application, will it help? If so, I'll try to give it a shot. If you want to see how to use the TreeView and the CellRenderer, the gtk-demo program (which comes with GTK) has a nice example under "Tree View/List Store". The code is very simple and in one of the columns you'll see the Toggle renderer. > for example, one dock needs to hold 2.5 distinct views I haven't understood that sentence. Can you please explain (or, have I referred to it already)? Just one offtopic comment: Some of the icons seem very unintuitive - even as an "old" GIMP user I'm still confused by the fifth one from the left. What does it stand for? ~LightningIsMyName ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] paint dynamics
On Tuesday 16 February 2010 22:22:17 LightningIsMyName wrote: > Can you give some explanations of what is needed? It suprises me that > there is a problem with a curves widget, when we can "steal" most of > the code from the existing curves dialog of the curve tool... > I would like to know some more about this, maybe this is something > that I can do (I probably won't be able to do it since my GTK > programming skills aren't so great, but let's give it a try). Curves widget is not a problem. Problem is the general making of Peter's spec[1] so that developers who do know gtk, dont faint in disgust at the sight of the code. for example, one dock needs to hold 2.5 distinct views. the check gird and two very similar variants of curves views switched by the drop down. I cant even imagine a solution for this in gtk terms. [1] http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/Paint_dynamics_specification -- Alexia ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] paint dynamics
Hello, On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Alexia Death wrote: > Curves don't exist in UI yet, because I personally suck at getting GTK > to do what I want... If you know somebody with good GTK bending skills > willing to help out, direct him/her to us. I could really use some > help... Can you give some explanations of what is needed? It suprises me that there is a problem with a curves widget, when we can "steal" most of the code from the existing curves dialog of the curve tool... I would like to know some more about this, maybe this is something that I can do (I probably won't be able to do it since my GTK programming skills aren't so great, but let's give it a try). ~LightningIsMyName ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] paint dynamics
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Olivier wrote: > I discovered some weeks ago the new Paint Dynamics feature of version 2.7 > and the git one, but I would like to find some explanations about its use. > One point which bothers me is that I thought there was some way to control > the shape of the answer curve between some varying parameter (pressure, > velocity, tilt, etc.) and some brush characteristic (opacity, hardness, > size, etc.). However, I don't see this anywhere. > Curves don't exist in UI yet, because I personally suck at getting GTK to do what I want... If you know somebody with good GTK bending skills willing to help out, direct him/her to us. I could really use some help... -- --Alexia ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] paint dynamics
I discovered some weeks ago the new Paint Dynamics feature of version 2.7 and the git one, but I would like to find some explanations about its use. One point which bothers me is that I thought there was some way to control the shape of the answer curve between some varying parameter (pressure, velocity, tilt, etc.) and some brush characteristic (opacity, hardness, size, etc.). However, I don't see this anywhere. Where should I search? -- Olivier Lecarme ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
