Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from protection from data loss

2008-06-14 Thread gib_mir_mehl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This is definately not a bug. [..] > Gimp does all these things correctly. It is aimed at a competant user > base, it does not try to be a beginner's guide using different formats. It is true that GIMP provides correct functionality for export/save. The corresponding

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from protection from data loss

2008-06-13 Thread gg
> On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 18:21 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> The issue of Export/Save/data-loss-protection is in my regard more of a >> bug which >> should be fixed as soon as possible than part of UI redesign. As with >> any fix this >> might be superseded by a more general solution late

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from protection from data loss

2008-06-13 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 18:21 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The issue of Export/Save/data-loss-protection is in my regard more of a bug > which > should be fixed as soon as possible than part of UI redesign. As with any fix > this > might be superseded by a more general solution later o

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from protection from data loss

2008-06-13 Thread gib_mir_mehl
Hi, thank you all for taking the time to consider and being patient with me. It seems what's lacking most is the virtue of patience on my side... I understand now that multiple UIs are too expensive. (As a sidenote, the forking idea doesn't imply to anticipate the UI team's work. More appropriat

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from protection from data loss

2008-06-12 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 23:56 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Quite paradoxically, splitting UI development into GIMP-Pro and > GIMP-Standard could be beneficial for the GIMP as a project. I don't think so. Such a split would make coding a lot more difficult and less fun. Since our product v

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from protection from data loss

2008-06-12 Thread Martin Nordholts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Looking from outside, i've gotten the impression that the GIMP project has > been > beaten by similar issues before. I feel like too many GUI changes got > discussed > to death, because no one managed to come up with solutions which fit all > user groups (let alone the

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from protection from data loss

2008-06-12 Thread Øyvind Kolås
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:56 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dreaming of "Adam's Pupus Pipeline"[3] for nearly a decade now, i doubt > the upcoming GEGL goodness will fill in that role anytime soon. GEGL is basically Pupus, it doesn't do network transparent buffers yet, but it has an infrastruc

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from protection from data loss

2008-06-12 Thread gib_mir_mehl
sorry, the links got chopped off in my previous post: [1] Why does the user have to Save to disk at all? Are there inevitable hardware reasons why software can't take care of user's data? I don't think so. And old story and quite outside GIMP's scope, of course: http://jef.raskincente

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from protection from data loss

2008-06-12 Thread gib_mir_mehl
Hi all, Sven Neumann wrote: > [..] JPEG should not be offered as a save format. Saving > to a JPEG file is clearly an export. this is totally true. The problem is that this violates widely accepted UI standards. Usability shows it's ugly side here by demanding conformance to users' expectations

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from protection from data loss

2008-06-12 Thread gg
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:36:39 +0200, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 02:09 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> No, i'm thinking of the case where you saved those 25 steps to a jpeg >> and the next day, >> sitting in the plane to your customer, you discover

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from protection from data loss

2008-06-11 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi, On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 02:09 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > No, i'm thinking of the case where you saved those 25 steps to a jpeg and the > next day, > sitting in the plane to your customer, you discover that this curve should be > tweaked a litte bit more. That is exactly why JPEG shoul

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from protection from data loss

2008-06-11 Thread gib_mir_mehl
Jon Senior wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > What would a user interface look like for exporting undo history and > > for merging the history with the image again? > > > > Are there already proposals for this? > > Just my take... is this not something that GEGL and the non-destructive > editi

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from protection from data loss

2008-06-11 Thread Jon Senior
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:35:27 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What would a user interface look like for exporting undo history and > for merging the history with the image again? > > Are there already proposals for this? Just my take... is this not something that GEGL and the non-destructive ed

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from protection from data loss

2008-06-11 Thread gib_mir_mehl
Hi, Alchemie foto\grafiche wrote: > > gib_mir_mehl wrote: > > Don't all those export troubles disintegrate once we presume a little > > more confidence in the undo function? > > More confidence will require a option to save undo history. > > As it is now once the image is closed its Undo Histo

Re: [Gimp-developer] proposed solution for: protection from protection from data loss

2008-06-10 Thread Alchemie foto\grafiche
gib_mir_mehl wrote: > Don't all those export troubles disintegrate once we presume a little > more confidence in the undo function? More confidence will require a option to save undo history. As it is now once the image is closed its Undo History vanish,forever lost , so can't be used to correc