Re: Thing for Tips and Re: [new stuff for gimprc]
>I am currently taking care of the tips. I will add one about the >number of undo levels. Thanks for the suggestion. I also take this >opportunity to thank those who have already e-mailed me some new tips. >Keep them coming! Do you have a web site with current ones (I mean accepted, not distributed yet)? If you do not have it, you should, so you only get new ones (maybe inspired by already accepted ones). >Regarding the default number of undo levels, I think that 5 is OK. I >would not mind if the default was increased to 10, but I would >certainly not like to have it set to anything larger. If the default >number is too large, we would probably get many complaints from users >reporting that the Gimp uses way too much memory and disk space. Hehehe... with old GIMP we had the problem of "I have 128 MB of RAM but it is slow, [ makes lot of noise | swaps a lot ], GIMP sucks!" due low tile cache by default. The more tips, the better (we just need users that read them ;] ). GSR
Re: Thing for Tips and Re: [new stuff for gimprc]
On Sat, 15 Apr 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Guillermo S. Romero / Familia Romero) wrote:
[...]
> > Regarding what Sven said about this taking too much memory, i think
> > that there are _a lot_ more users using the Gimp for small images
> > (like web things etc.), and so perhaps Gimp should be tailored to
> > them to start with. Just IMHO :o)
>
> Well, yes, that is true. Then 15 should be OK, IIRC I have been running with
> a higher number (20 or more, maybe 100 sometimes, sorry but the info is in
> another computer), doing small images with few memory (for today standards
> for picture retouching, 64MB) but as you said, it was for web and such so
> most of undos where just a pencil dot here and there, when doing hi-res I
> lowered it to 5 or 10.
>
> Who was reviewing the tips and trick phrases? This thing is a good one if
> not already included ("You can choose how many undo levels, look in ...").
I am currently taking care of the tips. I will add one about the
number of undo levels. Thanks for the suggestion. I also take this
opportunity to thank those who have already e-mailed me some new tips.
Keep them coming!
Regarding the default number of undo levels, I think that 5 is OK. I
would not mind if the default was increased to 10, but I would
certainly not like to have it set to anything larger. If the default
number is too large, we would probably get many complaints from users
reporting that the Gimp uses way too much memory and disk space.
-Raphael
Thing for Tips and Re: [new stuff for gimprc]
>> Some other, nice (imo), proposed changes to gimprc:
>
>>(undo-levels 15)
>>note that the undo-levels is set much lower than what I have it, but 5
>>just seems... well.. quite small.)
>I think 5 is too small and 15 too high. How about 10?
It depends what kind of images and computer you work with.
>Regarding what Sven said about this taking too much memory, i think that there
>are _a lot_ more users using the Gimp for small images (like web things etc.),
>and so perhaps Gimp should be tailored to them to start with. Just IMHO :o)
Well, yes, that is true. Then 15 should be OK, IIRC I have been running with
a higher number (20 or more, maybe 100 sometimes, sorry but the info is in
another computer), doing small images with few memory (for today standards
for picture retouching, 64MB) but as you said, it was for web and such so
most of undos where just a pencil dot here and there, when doing hi-res I
lowered it to 5 or 10.
Who was reviewing the tips and trick phrases? This thing is a good one if
not already included ("You can choose how many undo levels, look in ...").
>Also, as far as i can see (about 2.5 metres), the Gimp can't save multiple
>"sessions". what i mean is that you could save different layouts of the
[...]
>Naturally something for 1.3 if anyone thinks its a good idea :o)
For 1.3 it would be great, with names for your own configs and a default one
(symlink to a real session or any other kind of link).
GSR
Re: [new stuff for gimprc]
Hi, > Some other, nice (imo), proposed changes to gimprc: >(undo-levels 15) >note that the undo-levels is set much lower than what I have it, but 5 >just seems... well.. quite small.) I think 5 is too small and 15 too high. How about 10? Regarding what Sven said about this taking too much memory, i think that there are _a lot_ more users using the Gimp for small images (like web things etc.), and so perhaps Gimp should be tailored to them to start with. Just IMHO :o) Also, as far as i can see (about 2.5 metres), the Gimp can't save multiple "sessions". what i mean is that you could save different layouts of the various windows for different working environments - like different ones for low colour web logo style images, and another for full colour "art" style images. If you don't understand, this is like the multiple environments in Delphi 5 and (i think) Fireworks 3 (and maybe 1 and 2). Naturally something for 1.3 if anyone thinks its a good idea :o) Bye, - Piers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
Re: new stuff for gimprc
Hi, > Another idea might be some more questions when you first install. You should probably update your gimp, delete your .gimp-1.1 directory and try the new user installation... Salut, Sven
Re: new stuff for gimprc
On 13-Apr-2000 Sven Neumann wrote: [many snips] >> (undo-levels 15) > > The current number of undo-levels is fine, IMHO. At least the 15 you proposed > are a bit too large. Might go well for web-designers (small images) with a > large tile-cache, but... > > Let's see what other people have to say on this subject before we change a > nything... Some good ideas that I (as more of a user than a developer) second (or third). Another idea might be some more questions when you first install. Ie: in the midst of the messages which say which directories have been created sucessfully (more on this in a second) maybe a couple of questions (wizard?) with something like "how much memory do you want to allocate to the gimp" (along with some suggestions), "do you want global paint options on or off" (along with an explanation) and so on. This I think would make things much easier on newbies who might not understand terms such as "tile cache size" and so on. As for the messages that are displayed on first start up, how many of these are needed? If there are errors yes, definatly, but do you need to show them a screen of "x created successfully" messages? If you are concerned with silently making $HOME/.xxx directories (which 99% of the *nix programs out there do anyway), maybe just keep the "we will create the directores..." message. My 0x02 regards arcterex, gimp user at large -- Alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -=||=- http://arcterex.ufies.org You look like a million dollars. All green and wrinkled.
Re: new stuff for gimprc
Sven Neumann wrote: > > We will have to hardcode this into the session managment as there is no > sessionrc distributed with the gimp. I'll add some code that opens those > dialogs if no sessionrc is found. Hmmm, I vaguely remember that exactly > this has already been done, but appearantly it does not work. Yes, I've added it to session_init() and the code still looks ok but it seems to do just nothing :( It worked at least when I hacked it and I don't remember when it didn't work anymore. --Mitch
Re: new stuff for gimprc
Hi, > I propose that we make a few changes to the default gimprc (either the > system-wide or user one, whichever the options fit best). The changes should be done in app/gimprc.c. The systemwide gimprc should be changed too to reflect those changes. > The main thing is that session management should be turned ON. OK, I second that. > and there should be a default session w/ the toolbox, layers, option, > and brushes dialogs. We will have to hardcode this into the session managment as there is no sessionrc distributed with the gimp. I'll add some code that opens those dialogs if no sessionrc is found. Hmmm, I vaguely remember that exactly this has already been done, but appearantly it does not work. > Some other, nice (imo), proposed changes to gimprc: > - > (global-paint-options no) Yep! > (info-window-follows-mouse yes) Why not. > (undo-levels 15) The current number of undo-levels is fine, IMHO. At least the 15 you proposed are a bit too large. Might go well for web-designers (small images) with a large tile-cache, but... Let's see what other people have to say on this subject before we change a nything... Salut, Sven
