[Gimp-docs] empty PDFs for CJK languages
Hi,
so far I'm hitting a wall with the PDF creation of CJK languages of our
documentation. Some of you may already found out that the Japanese or
Korean versions of the manual have no text, other than the latin or
untranslated sections.
It looks to me, that this is because the used font (free sans) simply
does not provide the needed characters for this, which means we need a
different font.
I tried Cyberbit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberbit), which everyone
of you can try. The Japanese and Korean now show text. The dblatex
documentation says, it can use the CJK package, but in my opinion it is
not in use as I switched to XeTeX, which supports UTF-8 and therefore no
need for CJK and custom fonts.
Three unresolved issues:
* Cyberbit is not published under a free license
* It is therefore not available under every system
* The Japanese text is overflowing the right margin, making the PDF
still not very useful.
If you want to try Cyberbit, download it:
http://aol-4.vo.llnwd.net/pub/communicator/extras/fonts/windows/
Install the font (I copied it into my ~/.fonts) and add:
\setmainfont{Bitstream Cyberbit}
\setsansfont{Bitstream Cyberbit}
\setmonofont{Bitstream Cyberbit}
to stylesheets/plainprint.xsl and rerun the pdf creation (eg. LINGUAS="ja" make
pdf).
Now - what to do? Any ideas?
Cheers,
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Re: [Gimp-docs] Gimp-docs Digest, Vol 85, Issue 3
Hi, On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 10:52:05PM +0100, Vitaly Lomov wrote: > only en, de, da, fr and it are there. the rest, including ru, are not. I'm on it. Currently checking Korean and Japanese and it looks like I'm running into LaTeX font problems. Hm... Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] GIMP Manual release #648124
Hi, On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 07:56:38PM +0200, Ulf-D. Ehlert wrote: > Falls möglich könntest Du vielleicht auch ein englisches PDF erzeugen > und veröffentlichen - vergl. Bug #152987. I've actually changed the PDF creation, which are now daily built as well and synched: http://docs.gimp.org/2.6/pdf/ What I'm not sure about yet, whether to place a link to the PDFs on the homepage or not, as some of the PDFs may have encoding issues or simply not built. Perhaps you guys could have a quick look and let me know if some PDFs are missing ... Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] Open Help Conference
Hi Shaun, On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 12:34:38PM -0400, Shaun McCance wrote: > I'm organizing the Open Help Conference this June. It's a gathering of > documentation and support people from various open source and community > projects. There are already participants who contribute to projects like > Firefox, GNOME, and Ubuntu. > > [...] > > I think we'd all be interested in hearing about how you manage all the > help that comes with the GIMP, and how you handle help for plugins and > such. Would any GIMP docs people be able to make it? Cheers for the invitation. I would like to go, but need the few holidays I can get. I'm currently in Australia and won't be able to make it. I hope someone else would be able to go? Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] wrong commit comment
Hi Ulf, On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 06:39:35PM +0100, Ulf-D. Ehlert wrote: > Vitaly Lomov (Saturday, 19. March 2011) > > Hi, > > Is it possible to change the commit comment after 'git push'? > > I had it right, but noticed that my username was wrong, did 'git > > commit --amend', but it didn't do what I expected, so I committed > > with the wrong comment. > > Vitaly > > It looks like it's possible, see "Rewriting a single commit" in the > Git User’s Manual: > > http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/user- > manual.html#rewriting-one-commit > > Make sure that you have an excellent excuse if you mess up the > repository... ;-) Are you sure that this works on a pushed commit? All I can see in this instruction is that you work on your local checkout, without having pushed your commits. Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] wrong commit comment
Hi Vitaly, On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 06:25:14AM -0700, Vitaly Lomov wrote: > Is it possible to change the commit comment after 'git push'? Not that I know of. > I had it right, but noticed that my username was wrong, did 'git > commit --amend', but it didn't do what I expected, so I committed with > the wrong comment. IMHO you can also change the username and e-mail, but not with git commit --amend. See: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/750172/how-do-i-change-the-author-of-a-commit-in-git Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] Starting help for gimp-2.8
Hi Julien, On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 07:07:00AM +0100, Julien Hardelin wrote: > For that, we need: > - a separated git module for gimp-help-2.8, containing a copy of the > present gimp-help-2 at first. > - a gimp-doc-wiki(like the old we had) with the list of features that > must be updated, and the possibility of knowing who works on what. Perhaps for this, the developers wouldn't mind if the documentation team could use the wiki as well? I could perhaps ask on the developer mailing list for this opportunity... Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] nightly updates on docs.gimp.org
Hi Marco, On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 09:30:44AM +0100, Marco Ciampa wrote: > > Not really perfect, but I think it should be helpful: > > > > A file with a timestamp, when the last build ran. > > http://docs.gimp.org/en/processed.txt > > > > Sice it is under /en , does it means that only the english files are rebuild? No, I'm doing all languages, but syncing each html/* folder alone. Because english is the `master` language for the book, I thought the timestamp would fit in the english html folder. It's the timestamp, after every language was built. Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] nightly updates on docs.gimp.org
Hi Marco, On Mon, Feb 07, 2011 at 12:47:19PM +0100, Marco Ciampa wrote: > On Mon, Feb 07, 2011 at 09:07:58PM +1000, Roman Joost wrote: > > Any suggestions welcome! > > Please provide a timestamp or two (one for build & one for the sync > process) somewhere on the site, just to check the correct updating > process of the buildbot ... I could touch a small file, write the date and perhaps processing time into it and sync it too. Would that do? Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
[Gimp-docs] nightly updates on docs.gimp.org
Hi, just like to inform you, that docs.gimp.org is now being updated nightly. Mooball IT in Brisbane is providing a buildout server (running Hudson), and I'm running a continous build for about a month to see if everything is stable. I've added a script today to sync docs.gimp.org with the latest HTML built. So - if you find anything not beeing updated, let me please know. If there are any security concerns with an rsync + ssh connection to wilber, let me also please know. This nightly update is only temporary, until we can move it to the developers setup buildbot. Any suggestions welcome! -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] some docs fixes
Hi Marco, On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 02:10:12PM +0100, Marco Ciampa wrote: > On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 12:12:35PM +0100, Miroslav Šulc wrote: > > Dne 18.12.2010 08:22, Roman Joost napsal(a): > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalization > http://jon.henshaw.me/rules-for-capitalization-in-a-title/ > Cheers for clarifying. I never bothered to look around actually. Cheers -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] some docs fixes
Hi Jan, On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 01:59:07AM +0100, Miroslav Šulc wrote: > > Hi Roman, > > > > Does the GIMP documentation project have a style guide such as the > > excellent GNOME Documentation Style Guide? > > http://library.gnome.org/devel/gdp-style-guide/2.32/index.html.en > > well, maybe gimp documentation team should use that guide instead of > creating its own :-) Yes. Afaik - we don't have one on our own, but use the guide lines from the GNOME documentation project like the one you've found. Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] some docs fixes
Hi Ulf, On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 09:14:57PM +0100, Ulf-D. Ehlert wrote: > BTW: What do the official rules say? As far as I know: Starting with uppercase, continuing with lowercase - as usual. Although I have to admit, that I'm not 100% sure about that. The English native speakers I've talked to weren't that sure either. Perhaps it's about consistancy ... Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] a new user perspective
Hi Ulf, On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 08:51:03PM +0100, Ulf-D. Ehlert wrote: > (1) Compact layout. > This is mostly a matter of the chosen style(sheet): > We (you?) could create an alternate stylesheet , e.g. "compact.css" > (starting with a copy of gimp-help-screen.css) and change text layout > etc. according to your suggestions. (And we can make it the default > stylesheet at any time.) > > BTW, the HTML pages read "gimp-help-custom.css" if this stylesheet > exists (by default it does not), so that's a good place to apply and > test your changes in the real world. Just keep in mind with those changes, that the GIMP Help browser uses almost the same stylesheets. Perhaps it is not the desirable goal to have a compact layout for the user who downloaded the manual or uses the help browser to browse the manual. Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] a new user perspective
Hi David, On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 01:16:57PM +, David wrote: > > Perhaps it would be a good idea to split up the documentation into two > > books: the first would be a function reference and the second a more > > helpful tutorial based manual. > > Sorry - but I don't understand what you mean by 'function reference'. The > current 'function reference' section isn't - it contains menus, for example, > which are not functions. It may be a language/translation problem...? Sorry for the use of my technical term. > What would you include if there was a book called 'function > reference'? Would it be different to the existing section (which is > misnamed in my view)? The current manual is currently two types of books. Part I and II is a descriptive manual with tutorials. It describes how to do "things" with GIMP. The Part which is currently labeled or mislabeled as a "function reference" is a reference for almost every item you can find in GIMP. Perhaps "User Interface Reference" or simply "GIMP Reference" is more descriptive. Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] a new user perspective
Hi, IMHO this should be discussed in a new thread, but anyway. On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 07:04:31AM +, David wrote: > In the spirit of contributing, I have mocked up a suggested new format for > the > html documentation at: > > http://drking.webstarts.com/index.html > > It merely shows the ideas. Most of the links don't work (only 'home' works > for > the navigation). Most of the pages aren't there (* in the contents = > available). Perhaps it would be a good idea to split up the documentation into two books: the first would be a function reference and the second a more helpful tutorial based manual. Currently the manual is a reference with helpful tutorials. After that you could address people who are just looking for a quick help for a topic and people who would like to start working with GIMP step by step. Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] Revamp of docs.gimp.org
Hi Byung-Hee, On Sat, Nov 06, 2010 at 10:58:37AM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: > >> I have two service machines, which are running FreeBSD. Well i have no > >> skills in operating for gimp docs services. Though i would be offer one > >> of them for gimp project after discussions. Any comments? > > Thanks for the offer. Sounds good to get our release published temporary > > until the docs services moved from the current machine to the new > > server. How we go from here? > > In first, by the way, i think you(we) should contact > docs.gimp.org[graft.xcf.berkeley.edu]'s maintainer. > Then, discuss. > > As far as i know, > the man is "Manish Singh" . Yosh is already on it to get docs.gimp.org back to work as far as I know. Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] Revamp of docs.gimp.org
Hi Byung-Hee, On Mon, Nov 01, 2010 at 03:31:39PM +0900, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: > Roman Joost writes: > > I reorganized docs.gimp.org a bit and merged the downloads page with the > > index. A lot of people asked about printable documentation and couldn't > > really find the releases - I hope this will be easier now. > > > > I still can't upload/update the PDFs for the current work. Not much > > space left on wilber. Hope this will be changed with the new server > > soon. > > > > I have two service machines, which are running FreeBSD. Well i have no > skills in operating for gimp docs services. Though i would be offer one > of them for gimp project after discussions. Any comments? Thanks for the offer. Sounds good to get our release published temporary until the docs services moved from the current machine to the new server. How we go from here? Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
[Gimp-docs] Revamp of docs.gimp.org
Hi, I reorganized docs.gimp.org a bit and merged the downloads page with the index. A lot of people asked about printable documentation and couldn't really find the releases - I hope this will be easier now. I still can't upload/update the PDFs for the current work. Not much space left on wilber. Hope this will be changed with the new server soon. Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] gimp doc wiki
Hi Marco, On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 12:28:50PM +0200, Marco Ciampa wrote: > It used to be a wiki or not? > > maybe in http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/ ? > > Sorry my memory is fading... Afaik, yes - it used to be but is not anymore :( Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] I want to be a member to translate Gimp-docs
Hi 严晶涛 On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 10:40:59PM +0800, 严晶涛 wrote: >I want to translate Gimp-docs to Chinese,maybe my English is >bad,I'll do my best to translate it;and I'll get help with my >classmate. How can I do? Welcome to the list! Have you had a look at the source code yet? Have you had any experience translating or internationalising software perhaps? If not - don't worry. You'll have to learn a few things to get started. A good start is to get a copy of the repository: git clone git://git.gnome.org/gimp-help-2 Cheers -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
[Gimp-docs] Updated HTML files on docs.gimp.org
Hi, just to let you know that I've ran another update of all the help files, which should now reflect git master. Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] GIMP's manual in arabic
Hi Alexander, On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 09:46:14AM +0100, Alexander Zack Malcolmson wrote: > All that is required is to add the following attributes to the main html tag > during the build process: > > xml:lang="ar" lang="ar" dir="rtl" > > which basically provoke arabic language support in html rendering engines. Because the HTML is transformed by using the XSL stylesheets, we probably have to have a look at DocBook to set a parameter/option which finally results in an HTML file with this information. I haven't had a look at DocBook so far, but I bet the change is easy. Cheers -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] GIMP's manual in arabic
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 08:44:09AM +0100, Alexander Zack Malcolmson wrote: > Sorry forgot to ask about the gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU mailing list: > > Is it better if I copy in (cc) all my email concerning this issue to the > mailing list? I think in general this discussion should happen on the mailing list :) Cheers -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] gimp wiki
Hi Vitaly, On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 01:35:26PM -0700, Vitaly Lomov wrote: > gimp wiki had a tutorial for new translators, but it was down for a > while. Does anybody now why and when it's up again? As far as I know it's dead :( Maybe - with the new servers - it will be revived. Cheers -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] Gimp's Manual in Arabic
Hi Alexander, welcome to the project. > I would like to get involved by having Gimp's online documentation/manual > translated into Arabic. > How do I go about it? It depends how good you know XML, Docbook and git. A good start is by getting a copy of the current work: git clone git://git.gnome.org/gimp-help-2 Afterwards have a look. Translations are stored in the .po files. That's where arabic will go in. I'm currently not sure what we do with the problem of the textflow, but I guess that's something we can think about once your first translations are in the manual. Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] gimp-help-2.6.1 Release
Hi Sven, sorry for the late reply. On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 07:15:20PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 14:36 +1000, Roman Joost wrote: > > Hi, > > > > just a little status update were we're at. I've made releases for every > > language. Unfortunately the overall filesize is around 350 MB. I'm > > currently waiting uploading packages to wilber and free some more > > disk space by removing old files. It looks like there is already a new > > server available, which I need to get access to. > > Well, we haven't moved the FTP service to the new server yet. Please let > me know if the space on ftp.gimp.org is sufficient for you or not. If I checked correctly, the current free space is: 107 MB. The current release packages for all languages are: 358 MB, the source release (XML files) is about: 114 MB. I think I could leave out languages which haven't been touched since the last release, which still cummulates to: 247 MB. > Moving the FTP service will take a while though... Hm... any other options? Wouldn't it be possible to put the new release files on the new server temporary unless we've moved ftp.gimp.org? Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
[Gimp-docs] gimp-help-2.6.1 Release
Hi, just a little status update were we're at. I've made releases for every language. Unfortunately the overall filesize is around 350 MB. I'm currently waiting uploading packages to wilber and free some more disk space by removing old files. It looks like there is already a new server available, which I need to get access to. PS: Check the last updates on the gimp-web mailing list. Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
[Gimp-docs] Release this Weekend
Hi folks, I'd like to do a new release this weekend. I hope my notice won't be that short, but if anyone really wants to get something important into this release let me know and I postpone the release. Otherwise I hope we have another 2.6.1 release up this weekend. Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] A request from Africa
Hi Atle, On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 04:30:31PM +0200, a...@schoolux.org wrote: > I don't even know if I am in the right place raising this question. > > [...] > > So what I am looking for is advice on how to engage people that are > working with GIMP and filling up a DESIGN edition CD with shaved relevant > content for offline self education in Africa. It is actually the wrong mailing ist, but you may want to ask on the gimp-user[1] mailing list. This list is about writing and improving the GIMP Documentation. [1] - https://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user/ Cheers -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] Help release
Hi Ulf,
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 08:09:15PM +0200, Ulf-D. Ehlert wrote:
> Roman Joost (Tuesday, 15. June 2010)
> > because the question of a new gimp-help release came up and the
> > last release is quite a few months back, how about preparing for a
> > new release? According to the changelog a lot has changed, now
> > I'm wondering if there are still a few things missing which
> > contributors want to see in a new release.
>
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=599700 ("Misleading Info in
> INSTALL text") should be fixed for the next release.
I've scheduled this for the next milestone.
I won't have any time this week to work on a release, but can do next
week.
Cheers,
--
Roman Joost
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[Gimp-docs] Help release
Hi, because the question of a new gimp-help release came up and the last release is quite a few months back, how about preparing for a new release? According to the changelog a lot has changed, now I'm wondering if there are still a few things missing which contributors want to see in a new release. If there are no objections, I'll try to prepare a new release. Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] orphaned images
On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 11:16:29AM +0200, Marco Ciampa wrote: > During a make check-images-it I found many orphaned images. > > Done a git rm to all /it/ images (many) the command showed many /C/ orphaned > images too. > > Is it safe to clear them all? > > I am asking because want another opinion before doing such a large commit. You may want to do an additional grep to check if those images are used somewhere in the XML: grep -r "image-name.png" * in the root of the module usually does the trick. IMHO cleaning up orphaned images frees a lot of space and is encouraged. Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] Early EOFs
On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 06:57:14PM +0200, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote: > When running "git pull" I get this output: > $ git pull > remote: Counting objects: 198, done. > remote: Compressing objects: 100% (119/119), done. > fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly > fatal: early EOFs: 30% (36/119), 8.01 KiB | 2 KiB/s > fatal: index-pack failed I'm seeing that for the first time, but as Ulf already pointed out, I also assume it's because of the "fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly" message. Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] where are the pdf snapshots?
On Thu, Jun 03, 2010 at 11:48:58PM -0300, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Roman Joost wrote: > > Hi Marco, > > > > On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 01:50:12PM +0200, Marco Ciampa wrote: > >> Thanks to the Ulf wonderful work, now the entire bulding process work > >> flawlessly (as far as I can see) and I'll try even to automate it. > > I would have loved to install a buildbot on wilber, which creates > > nightly builds of the user manual (and other formats). Unfortunately > > wilber doesn't provide enough resources to do that :( > > Hi Roman - > one of the subjects on our BoF session was just about getting > ourselves enough hardware resources to be confotable. > I am to researhc wether we could use gnome.org servers or rent servers > on our own (gimp). > > So, what resources do you think we'd need for a docs built bot (in the > plans is, of course, to have an automated GIMP build running oftenly > as well ) I think it'll be merely disk space what we need for releases and snapshots. The buildbot could "make" a nightly update of the current snapshot of the HTML version. So, if you need some numbers, a partition/folder with at least 1GB of free hard disk space would be a good start and IMHO it would make sense if we could share the buildbot with the developers. Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] where are the pdf snapshots?
Hi Marco, On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 01:50:12PM +0200, Marco Ciampa wrote: > Thanks to the Ulf wonderful work, now the entire bulding process work > flawlessly (as far as I can see) and I'll try even to automate it. I would have loved to install a buildbot on wilber, which creates nightly builds of the user manual (and other formats). Unfortunately wilber doesn't provide enough resources to do that :( > If you need a hand to do the same on the reference site, I'll be glad to help. Thanks!!! > Another idea is that it could be nice if the docs site could be > internationalized... > that will be wonderfull and, obviously, I am here to help for the italian > translation. I thought we started that. The website is in the gimp-help-2 module under web. Translating it shouldn't be difficult. We already have all the stuff needed to translate the XML. See my reply to Ulf about the update of PDFs. Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] where are the pdf snapshots?
Hi Ulf, On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 12:52:58PM +0200, Ulf-D. Ehlert wrote: > Roman Joost (Wednesday, 02. June 2010) > > As far as I know, the PDF creation is b0rked after we moved to > > gettext support. We have to fix that first in order to create PDFs > > again. But I could be possibly wrong and Ulf knows more about this > > issue. > > It seems that building a Russian PDF is broken (I think it's a dblatex > problem and has nothing to do with gettext). But making a German PDF > worked fine. Yes indeed as Marco already pointed out too. Awesome!!! > So maybe you should just try to build PDFs for some languages and see > what happens... I've now prepared PDFs, but there is not enough hard disk space left on wilber :( I've to talk to Sven what to do. Alternatively do we still need to provide the PDFs for GIMP 2.2? Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] where are the pdf snapshots?
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 12:38:57AM +0200, Marco Ciampa wrote: > The page: > > http://docs.gimp.org/index.html > > states: "Please visit our Downloads page for stable releases and PDF > snapshots." > > but it seems that there are not any pdf snapshots whatsoever... Well there are PDF releases for GIMP 2.4 and 2.2 > Since from time to time someone ask me about those, is it possible to > build a copy of the manual in that format every month or so? As far as I know, the PDF creation is b0rked after we moved to gettext support. We have to fix that first in order to create PDFs again. But I could be possibly wrong and Ulf knows more about this issue. Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] Invalid XML for a few languages
Hi Ulf, On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 06:49:48PM +0200, Ulf-D. Ehlert wrote: > If you give us a warning a few days before you update, we get the > chance to push any missing translations. :-) Ah well, not ignoring your request, but usually I've updated the online documentation every day or week or so. I would like to do that more often, which also means that the online documentation can have a few errors. It is the current snapshot of the ongoing translation/development. So... for me it would be much easier if people let me know if something weird happens on docs.gimp.org. I'll try to check first before/after updating the online docs to avoid any major trouble. I would have liked some kind of a buildbot approach, to make automated builds/updates after each push (or nightly whatever). But unfortunately the server is not going to make it, as far as I know. Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] Invalid XML for a few languages
Hi Kolbjoern, On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 06:52:54PM +0200, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote: > The http://docs.gimp.org/2.6/no/ is not updated and should be deleted. > The language code "no" is not "legal" anymore. Instead > http://docs.gimp.org/2.6/nn/ should be created from the "nn" po files > which by the time of writing is 100% translated. I've updated the instance and the website. This should be solved ... Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] Spanish translation.
Hi Juan, On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 03:45:24AM +0200, Juan Manuel Martínez wrote: > I just want to contact the people working on spanish translation. > Best regards. By having a quick squiz in the commit log, it looks we don't have a maintainer for spanish. There are contributions from Luis Diego Alpizar, which I'm happy to forward his e-mail privately (if not Julien already did). Cheers for your interest, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] Invalid XML for a few languages
Hi Ulf, On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 08:25:21PM +0200, Ulf-D. Ehlert wrote: > Roman Joost (Tuesday, 11. May 2010) > > I've tried to built the HTML again for all languages > > Do you want to release new HTML packages? I'm currently only updating docs.gimp.org sporadically. > [...] > Please try again when I have pushed the bugfixes. cheers! I will! > That's IMHO a good idea even if you can successfully build these HTML > packages. Yeh well. Because the content doesn't change, I think it's not necessary to rebuild the same content again. I assume that somehow the content will become deprecated if no one updates it anyways ... Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
[Gimp-docs] Invalid XML for a few languages
Hi, I've tried to built the HTML again for all languages and stumbled over a few error messages. It looks like the system creates invalid XML for a few languages which leads to errors. Esp unmaintained languages are affected (sv, es, zh_CN). It seems to me, that there is no easy way anymore to validate XML? If the errors occur only because of unmaintained languages, I would suggest to remove them from building HTML. Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] I made a correction in my manual. Please use this instead.
Hi Muffin, On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 08:30:46PM +0900, muffin wrote: > I'm sorry for not being thorough before. Please check my latest post on the gimp-developer mailing list. It would be good to put it on developer.gimp.org due to the fact it's developer information. How far did you get with having a look into git and DocBook/XML? Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] I composed an HTML manual about how to compile a windows gimp plugin. Please review it.
Hi muffin, On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:54:11PM -0700, muffin wrote: > The article about compiling a windows gimp plugin on gimp website has been > deleted. > So I decided to make my own manual and post it eventually to gimp manual. Thank you. The thing is, this mailing list takes care of the *user* manual. Your manual should be provided for developers. Now there are two possibilities. Either we publish your manual on the GIMP homepage or on developer.gimp.org. Both have no maintainer unfortunately. > It's written in basic HTML elements. We have to convert it to DocBook/XML to publish it on one of those homepages. Besides reviewing, I could try to check where the best place is for developers. In case we choose one of those places, would you mind converting it to DocBook/XML? Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] Gimp-docs Digest, Vol 71, Issue 7
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 07:43:55AM +0200, jhardlin wrote: > In Damned Lies, you can not send translation directly to the git > repository. Your work must be controlled by other translators and > approved by the language maintainer. ... and this is currently not possible? Why? Because we're not part of the GNOME i18n teams? As I understood Damned Lies: There are teams which coordinate the translation for each GNOME package. I guess the gimp user manual forms an exception here. Please correct me if I'm wrong. > GIMP-HELP is an exception, due to its history. Here, translators are not > many, are highly motivated and prefer to have a complete control > themselves on their work. Managing git, and using Ulf's improvements, is > a challenge for them. Well then I wonder, how can we make it easier and not a challenge ... Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] Gimp-docs Digest, Vol 71, Issue 7
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 09:22:21PM +0200, jhardlin wrote: > me too :-) . What tripped me up in the beginning was git. Wrapping my > > head around it (with all the good help and manuals) took me some time, > > and every time I had git problem, my enthusiasm cooled down a little. > > Many a times I just backed up my changed files, deleted the local > > folder and downloaded the repository from scratch. All the while I > > wasn't translating. > > We migrated from xml to po files to make translator's work easier... Is that a statement, an answer or is there more to say? :) > Normally, a translator doesn't use git. He downloads po files from > DamnedLies http://l10n.gnome.org. He translates them and checks them > with gettext commands and then sends them to his language GNOME maintainer. Well put. I remember there was some effort spend for the user manual and it's also listed. What does translators keep from following that way? Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
[Gimp-docs] Most annoying thing
Hi, I've just browsed a bit in the archives and remembered, that I was asking what the most annoying thing while editing the manual was for every author: https://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/lists/gimp-docs/2008-February/001091.html Almost everyone thought the languages mixed up in one XML were very annoying. This has now changed with a big effort (thanks for Ulf for his time investing in supporting programs). Now two years later: What is now the most annoying thing? The most annoying thing for me is, that I can't spend as much time on the project as I would like to spend. I haven't made any contributions to the manual for a while, also due to the fact that I'm just lost in the current editing process. The wiki is down and doesn't seem to return anymore. Maybe a better space to invite potential contributors would be to open a space on the GNOME wiki. I'm also watching the development of Mallard closely: http://projectmallard.org/ maybe something which we could benefit from. Anyways. I'm still following the mailing list and try to help as much as I can! Thanks for the good work! Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] gimp-help-custom.css
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:04:37AM +0200, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote:
> I would like to add
> .caption {
> font-size : smaller;
> font-style : italic;
> }
> to the style sheets to differ the image text from the body text.
> Perhaps the not used gimp-help-custom.css file is a good way of doing
> it, but as this wish may be unique to Norwegian only, how to add a
> conditional to select languages? (if LANG="nn" then ... else not)
Yeh - I don't see a way without some programming to make it conditional.
To be honest, if other folks agree, I'd say go ahead and add it to the
general stylesheet.
Cheers,
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Re: [Gimp-docs] push/pull problems
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 06:23:09PM +0100, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote: > At last I got through. > > Thank you Claude, Roman, and Julien.(private mails) and to Ulf for > changing the gimp-help-2.doap file. > As I am the only Norwegian translator, I have time to correct any > mistakes or mash ups :-) > > I do not know what went wrong at the first place and how I corrected it. > I just removed all new git files from my folders and started from > scratch again. While you're saying that, I'll sometimes use: git clean -x -d -f to remove all files which were generated during the setup or install process to start from scratch. Keep in mind before executing that this will also wipe all unknown files to git from the directory, including your working version you haven't committed ;) Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] push/pull problems
Hi Kolbjørn, On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 12:03:00PM +0100, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote: > When trying to pull or push files from/to server I get the following > message: > My config file is > > $ git config -l > user.name=Kolbjørn Stuestøl > user.email=kolbjo...@src.gnome.org > color.ui=auto > remote.origin.url=ssh://kolbjo...@stuestoel.no/git/gimp-help-2 remove that ^ > [...] > remote.origin.fetch=+refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/* > remote.origin.url=ssh://kolbjo...@git.gnome.org/git/gimp-help-2 > branch.master.remote=origin > branch.master.merge=refs/heads/master > > BTW: Why is the remote.origin.url defined twice? > Kolbjoern You may have set one globally by accident? Cheers, -- Roman Joost www: http://www.romanofski.de email: romanof...@gimp.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
