Re: [Gimp-docs] What is the best application to translate the manual?

[Joao S. O. Bueno]

On 7 June 2012 11:26, Marco Ciampa  wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 07, 2012 at 10:44:28AM -0300, Willer Gomes Junior wrote:
>> What is the best application to translate the manual?
>> Thanks
>
> The manual is in .po files. Every .po file editor would go.
>
> I use Emacs which is the best for definition™ :-) but you can find
> easier poedit, kbabel or gtranslator.


Kbabel is pretty much discontinued - the new Qt based translator is
called "lokalize" and works just fine for me.

Willer - as the maintainer of the pt_BR translation of GIMP interface
I'd be glad if you would communicate with me along your work on the
GIMP manual .

Also, having the software to help translating PO files i not
everything there is about it - feel free to ask around (this list)
until get comfortable with the process.


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Re: [Gimp-docs] What is the best application to translate the manual?

[Joao S. O. Bueno]

On 9 June 2012 07:49, Marco Ciampa  wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 07, 2012 at 10:16:41PM -0300, Willer Gomes Junior wrote:
>> Where are .po files? I found only xml files.
>> Is it necessary create?
(...)
> PS: could this small digression be written to a some FAQ of the manual?
> Perhaps the wiki?

It should for sure.
At least the GIMP  wiki, if we have nothing else handy.

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Re: [Gimp-docs] release procedure

[Joao S. O. Bueno]

I think some organization to get it going is indeed necessary - and
this one - "two weeks for updating translation"  is certainly better than none.

So, +1 from me.

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On 13 June 2012 13:24, Marco Ciampa  wrote:
> Sorry if I sound a little bit a bureaucrat but I want to propose a rule
> for the version releases, similar to the string freeze for the programs.
>
> Sometimes the manual reach a state the could be safely published. When
> we decide that that time is reached, I propose to publish a Request For
> Publication, here in this list, that means that the version branch is
> created (say gimp-2.8.1 for example..) and the tar balls are delayed for
> as long as 2 weeks. In that period of time, translators can try do
> updated and finish their work to reach a, as far as possible, complete
> multilanguage version of the manual.
>
> This is a kind of "RFC" :-) please say what you think about it.
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Re: [Gimp-docs] Portuguese translation

[Joao S. O. Bueno]

Hi Pedro --

I am the maintainer of the translation of GIMP - the program,

and just as of a few months ago, a small team started working
on teh translation of the manual -
I am CCing WIller on this message, as he is doing the work and knows
better the other collaborators.


Cheers,

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You can join them in the effort  -

On 26 June 2012 16:46, Pedro Garbellini da Silva
 wrote:
> Hello GIMP Users!
>
> What a nice project. Love Open Source!
>
> I just started exploring Linux and GNU softwares. And i can only see growing
> and growing, its made for the community by its people, equal to equal. No
> ending for that.
>
> I want to help translating to Brazilian portuguese, my native language as i
> live and born in São Paulo.
>
> Anyone knows if there is any ongoing translation for portuguese? For the
> program itself and its documentation.
>
> Thanks,
> Pedro
>
> maybe wanna check out my radio art project and hear some brazilian voices
> and songs: www.soundcloud.com/radiopossivel
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> Hugs.
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Re: [Gimp-docs] brush dynamic

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On 29 June 2012 06:42, Ramón Miranda  wrote:
> Ok i will record it as soon as possible, is there an order or steps to
> follow?  in priority or something like that? if not i will follow my
> freestyle :D

I think you shuld start by showing how to turn them completly off -
them showing how painting with no dynamics behave.

Then activate 1 mapping  at time, with a new dynamics mapping, and
show the effects (up to about 3 or 4 mappings)

Then document the existing pre-sets, or some of them (although the
video might not contian all of them - the manual should)

Regards,

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>
>
> 2012/6/29 Kolbjørn Stuestøl 
>>
>> Den 29.06.2012 10:44, skreiv Ramón Miranda:
>>
>>> It could help a video showing some aspects on dynamics? i know how to
>>> explain it but not how to document in "gimp-help" style.
>>
>> Would be fine.
>> I know very little about these functions.
>> I can "translate" your explanations to GIMP style.
>> Kolbjoern
>>>
>>>
>>> 2012/6/27 Kolbjørn Stuestøl >> >
>>>
>>>
>>>    Someone writing the documentations on brush dynamics?
>>>    This is a completely new function and needs (re)writing.
>>>    Kolbjoern
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Re: [Gimp-docs] Frustration

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On 22 August 2012 09:53, Chris Violetti  wrote:
> I decided to teach myself how to use GIMP. I downloaded 2.8 and started with
> the first beginner tutorial, GIMPLite Quickies, on gimp.org. This tutorial
> is so out of date it is unusable.  "After completeing the click and drag
> motion, a little "Crop & Resize Information Dialog" (shown above also) pops
> up". Ummm, no. It doesn't. Nor could I find this dialog searching through
> the numerous menus.
>
> The copyright notice at the top of the GIMPLite Quickies tutorial webpage
> (http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Lite_Quickies/) says 2004. Is it really EIGHT
> years old? For God's sake update your tutorials or remove them from the site
> so people don't waste their time.
>
> Heading to google to search for up-to-date tutorials.


Please, bear in mind this is a voluntary project - so while the object
information
you had as feedback is valuable, meaning "the tutorial on gimp.org is
so old as to
be unusable" is valuable, the way you write it will only resent people
and hardly
make someone go after learning all the steps needed to update that
part of the page,
and re-write it.

That said, you  are even welcome to help writing new up to date tutorials -

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Re: [Gimp-docs] Possible Release soon?

[Joao S. O. Bueno]

:-)

So - since we are undertaking a translation from scratch, and to cover
the whole manual - it will take us some time -
it is scheded to be ready by the end of December.

I see no problem doing a release around now, understanding that
another one could be done around January or a little later when
we have everything ready in Portuguese.



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On 31 October 2013 03:08, Róman Joost  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I see so many contributions and I haven't prepared a release for ages.
> I'm sorry for that. My good excuse is a daily job and my son which keeps
> his father busy during the day.
>
> Since I'm expecting a daughter at the end of december, I'm determined to
> push out a release before. I can see that Joao and his team is adding
> Portuguese. When would be a best time to release a new tarball?
>
> PS: Do you guys realise that we're already working ~ 10 years on this
> manual?? Isn't that awesome?
>
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Re: [Gimp-docs] Catalan translations, some questions

[Joao S. O. Bueno]

Hi Konfrare -

From the answer given, Roman assumed you have cloned the git-repository
for gimp-help-2 --

although given the nature of your questions, I believe you are updating
the translation using the "danmed lies" gnome l10n infraestructure,
which allows for downoading/translating/uploading the PO files
without actually having a tree checkout of the project.

If that is the case, please follow the instructions to clone the repository
at

https://wiki.gnome.org/Git/Developers
And the translator specific hints at:

https://wiki.gnome.org/TranslationProject/GitHowTo

That said, if you can get things to build you not necessarily need
commit rights - you can create the images in your filesystem, and make
a zipfile or tar.gzip, and upload to gnome l10n - the same place where
you upload your po files to - with instructions for the translation
team on how to put it on the correct folders in gimp-help-2 for
comitting.

On 9 December 2013 05:01, Róman Joost  wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 07, 2013 at 09:53:54AM +0100, Konfrare Albert wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> We (Softcatalà group) are translating Gimp documentation to Catalan.
> Cheers for your effort!
>
>> I have two questions:
>> - How can I build the HTML files (in local) with PO files?
> Most probably you want to only build your catalan files:
>
> ALL_LINGUAS='ca en' ./autogen.sh --without-gimp
> make
>
>> - Where must I upload the Catalan image files?
>
> Create a folder under:
>
> images/ca
>
> and add the images structure similar to other translations.
>
> Let me know if you have additional questions :)
>
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[Gimp-docs] Translation helper

[Joao S. O. Bueno]

Hi there -

for whoever translates the manual using a PO editing tool,
the XML tags that often appear inside the translation strings
are not nice to deal with - as the tags have to be copied verbatim,
still, their content has to be translated.

Since the tool I am using for this allows for plug-ins,
I created one I can bind to a short cut key
and simplifies this work a lot.

I am using "lokalize" as the tool - if anyone is using poedit for the
GIMP manual,
I'd suggest giving lokalize a try just due to this script - it is really
helping a lot.

Unfortunately, the cross-platform tool "POedit" does not allow for plug-ins.


My script is here: https://github.com/jsbueno/lokalize_xmltools


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[Gimp-docs] Notes while translating the manual

[Joao S. O. Bueno]

Hi there -

As you know, I am coordinating the translation for PT_BR
(we have most files already, but the gnome.org pt_BR team
wants they to have a final  review before comiting to git)

For the files I am translating personally (as for the ones I will
review), I am taking notes of outdated areas, and other
inconsistencies. I hope we can deal with them properly later.

An inconsistency a "little bigger" , thought, came by today -
there is a file on Quickmasks on the "dialogs"
section of the manual...it explains a lot about quickmasks and their usage
(duplicating information there is elsewhere) - but there is no dialog
involved at all. (but for the channel attributes
dialog that can be used to change the color and opacity).

Does it belong there?
( src/dialogs/qmask.xml )

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Re: [Gimp-docs] [Gimp-developer] Gimp Manual Roadmap proposal

[Joao S. O. Bueno]

Hi Roman -
when you talk about a "3.0" manual version in "3.0" - I am with the
impression that the
purposed changes would take place before GIMP 3.0 itself (as the next version
shall be 2.10)

So - it looks like the purposed version numbering would dissociate the
manual version from GIMP's version - is that so?  I think that might
be confusing - although on a second thought it could be
a manageable confusion, if it is clearly specified, inv arious places, that,
for example, gimp-help-2 "3.0" refers to "gimp-2.10" .

(As for the idea of going github I am of the same opinion as Jehan.
We could put a mirror ("fork" in github parlor) there - but the
authoritative repository
should, by the reasons listed and maybe some more,
be kept in the gnome infrastructure).


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Re: [Gimp-docs] Gimp Manual Roadmap proposal

[Joao S. O. Bueno]

RyoTa :

how much do you know about Publican? Do you think it is possible to
change it so that it would allow
the extra forms in which we use these links could work? (We'd try to
commit these changes upstream, of course).

otherwise, I agree it is not a suitable option.


  js
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On 7 February 2014 12:52, RyoTa SimaMoto  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am warry about to use Publican.
>
> Publican prohibits to use WORD(S) tag
> then allows  tag only for internal hyperlink.
> (xreflabel is also disallowed.)
> http://jfearn.fedorapeople.org/en-US/Publican/3.2/html/Users_Guide/appe-Users_Guide-Disallowed_elements_and_attributes.html
>
> That means we need revise whole text so that each targeted section
> has a .  In much cases on our document, we use  with
> verb/noun for representing an action, a filter, or a tool of GIMP
> instead of using its title in the reference section.  To replace it
> with , almost links may be reformed in 'see also' style,
> because it cannot be replaced with other adjusted phrase for inline
> context at referring text.
>
> I presume some translators may unwelcome this restriction especially
> for languages that have conjugation and/or declension, when 
> tag happens in the middle of text structure.
>
> If this rule does not make any matters for you, Publican may be the
> best choice.
>
> Cheers,
> -=-=-=-
> RyoTa SimaMoto 
>
>
> 2014-02-05, Roman Joost :
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've put together a Roadmap proposal under:
>>
>> http://wiki.gimp.org/index.php/Documentation:Main
>>
>> Any feedback is welcome. Some of the points are not to be read as: go
>> ahead and implement, but rather look into it for it's feasibility.
>>
>> If there are no objections or comments I'd basically call the roadmap
>> silently as accepted. For each point I think it'll be good to create
>> bugs so we can track progress.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
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Re: [Gimp-docs] Gimp Manual Roadmap proposal

[Joao S. O. Bueno]

So - while we don't make a major decision about the roadmap (hello LGM
:-)  ), or have a branch to work on changes for GIMP -2.10  - do we
have at least a wiki page where we can take notes of things that
should go into the manual?

(I'd be for creating a "2.10" branch and start editing the XML english
SRC there - there will be quite a lot of news for this release, and it
would be said to have to wait over an year for the manual to catch-up
when it is out).

I remebered this e-mail thread because I added some changes to the
"align" tool yesterday, which would make for 1 or 2 paragraphs in the
manual - but also, now, looking at the logs I saw just this:

"""
commit dd648b1c1264a70ade137276293e827b40954eca
Author: Michael Natterer 
Date:   Sun May 19 22:21:38 2013 +0200

...skipping...
Don't allow tool operations on invisible items, just like we do for
group layers or locked items.

Cleaned up and enhanced the patch a bit --Mitch
"""
Which means: trying to paint in an invisible, active, layer works up
to GIMP 2.8, but is a NOp in
GIMP Master.
It is there for over an year, and I had not taken note - yet, it
should be mentioned in the manual, as
it is in some aspects a big change  in the way GIMP used to work. (And
I see no drawbacks in it)

   js
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On 12 February 2014 00:21, Roman Joost  wrote:
> Dear RyoTa,
>
> On Fri, Feb 07, 2014 at 11:52:13PM +0900, RyoTa SimaMoto wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am warry about to use Publican.
>>
>> Publican prohibits to use WORD(S) tag
>> then allows  tag only for internal hyperlink.
>> (xreflabel is also disallowed.)
>> http://jfearn.fedorapeople.org/en-US/Publican/3.2/html/Users_Guide/appe-Users_Guide-Disallowed_elements_and_attributes.html
>>
>> That means we need revise whole text so that each targeted section
>> has a .  In much cases on our document, we use  with
>> verb/noun for representing an action, a filter, or a tool of GIMP
>> instead of using its title in the reference section.  To replace it
>> with , almost links may be reformed in 'see also' style,
>> because it cannot be replaced with other adjusted phrase for inline
>> context at referring text.
> Cheers for pointing this out. It seems that this needs to be looked at
> closer in order to figure out the best way to go about it. A migration
> seems to be quite costly...
>
>>
>> I presume some translators may unwelcome this restriction especially
>> for languages that have conjugation and/or declension, when 
>> tag happens in the middle of text structure.
> Thanks for this valuable pointer. To keep the discussion for this topic
> in one place, would you mind moving this to the associated bug?
>
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723512
>
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Re: [Gimp-docs] Greek online manual

[Joao S. O. Bueno]

So - we got the Brazilian portuguese translation complete as well! :-)

It was a nice thing to get going!

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On 15 March 2014 00:54, Roman Joost  wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 07, 2014 at 08:37:08AM +0200, Δ Σ wrote:
> > High,
> > I can't see in User Manual web site and in Online Manual-HTML the Greek
> > Edition.
> Just for your info. I've added the link to the Greek translation today.
> Thanks again for spotting.
>
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Re: [Gimp-docs] Gimp Manual Roadmap proposal

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On 13 March 2014 16:38, Joao S. O. Bueno  wrote:
> So - while we don't make a major decision about the roadmap (hello LGM
> :-)  ), or have a branch to work on changes for GIMP -2.10  - do we
> have at least a wiki page where we can take notes of things that
> should go into the manual?

No reply for this, while tens of smallish features are getting added to GIMP 2.9
with no documentation at all. :-(

I've justed commited docs for one such small change as commented-out
xml code in the appropriate file.



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Re: [Gimp-docs] 2.8.2 release

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On 29 July 2014 05:09, scl  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've just pushed my changes to master and am done
> for this time.

to master --- and what about the new branch?

Roman - as for me, there are some months already I don't touch the manual -
I think the pt_BR translation is all set - but would you mind just
trying it before
making the release? (that is, in a different system than mine - it works here)

Regards,

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Re: [Gimp-docs] [Gimp-developer] ANNOUNCE: GIMP User Manual 2.8.2 released

[Joao S. O. Bueno]

caros  --

saiu a nova versão do manual do GIMP - 2.8.2, com a tradução completa
para PortuguÊs  - o maual é ao mesmo tempo um livro e a ajuda online
do GIMP, com textos sore cada item da interface quando se aperta F1 -

Instalem, testem e divulguem!

:-)

abraços,

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From: Roman Joost 
Date: 13 August 2014 23:30
Subject: [Gimp-developer] ANNOUNCE: GIMP User Manual 2.8.2 released
To: GIMP Docs , Gimp Developer
, GIMP User 


Hi,

A new version of the user manual for GIMP 2.8 has been released!

You can find the release on download server:

  http://download.gimp.org/pub/gimp/help/gimp-help-2.8.2.tar.bz2
  (md5: a591c8974b2f4f584d0a769d52ed6c5b, 152MB)


We have included:

* complete translation of Brazilian Portuguese

* many bug fixes


For easy installation, we suggest that you wait until an installer for this
release has been packaged for your platform. Find more releases and information
about our goals and how you can help at http://docs.gimp.org as well as
the wiki page under: http://wiki.gimp.org/wiki/Documentation:Main.

Happy GIMPing!
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Re: [Gimp-docs] Installing GIMP-GAP on Mac OS X Instructions

[Joao S. O. Bueno]

Yes - such instructions would be welcome -
please keep in mind that your blog, as a "fixed address" in the internet is more
important than an e-mail post to any of the GIMP lists (although these
are mirrored on the Web).  Today there is no personal to update the
GIMP Web site with official or unofficial hints and "install guides"
like this.

Please, when you post, send the e-mail to the "GIMP-users" list as
well - as that way the article will probably reach a larger audience.

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On 8 December 2014 at 20:32, James Bush  wrote:
> I can write out the steps for installing GIMP-GAP on Mac OS X, if they are 
> not already posted to this list (a Google search showed nothing; and, the 
> GIMP website is missing any kind of source build instructions for Mac OS X 
> users).
>
> Not only have I nailed down the most concise method for adding GAP 2.6 to 
> GIMP 2.8.14, but, as a technical writer employed in Silicon Valley for 16 
> years, I can convey that method to any GIMP user clearly.
>
> I intend to post these instructions to my blog within the next day or two, 
> which will contain screenshots and a video of GIMP-GAP on Mac OS X; I'll 
> notice gimp-docs-list at that time.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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[Gimp-docs] Broken Links on the pt_BR version of the manual

[Joao S. O. Bueno]

Hi -

there are some broken links on the online version of the manual.

I just noticed that http://docs.gimp.org/pt_BR/gimp-tool-clone.html -
for example,
yields a 404 error.

I double-checked, and the page is generated, with a correct content,
in the local copy.

Could someone check what is going on? Maybe it i justa matter of
regenerating the online copy.

regards,

  js
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Re: [Gimp-docs] 'make pdf' fails

[Joao S. O. Bueno]

I managed to get the stack to genreate ODF's (Open Docuement Files) to
work during last year - in an old install - and it was quite some work
on a fedora system. Not sure if I'd still be able to do it on my new system.
At the end of the process I had to manually open (unzip and edit the
xml) the generated file to fix something
(character encoding related)

I think PDF's are easier to get by - not sure if it would work
out-of-the box here as well.

  js
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On 10 December 2015 at 11:33, Ulf-D. Ehlert  wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 08:31:08AM +0100, Julien Hardelin wrote:
>> I downloaded the babel-french package. Its installation is not clear fo me :
>>
>> == INSTALLATION ==
>> If the latest version of this package is not included in your LaTeX
>> distribution, do the following:
>> * issue "luatex frenchb.ins" to unpack the language definition files,
>> * copy the files frenchb.ldf and frenchb.lua to a location where TeX
>>   can find them (default location: $TEXMF/tex/generic/babel-french/)./
>>
>> Please, could you explain me all that?
>
> Note that my solution worked for me, but that does not mean that it's
> the correct/best/only way. You should first check how it works under
> openSUSE-Leap, e.g. check /path/to/dblatex/.../lang.xsl, check which
> babel or french package are installed, etc.
> Maybe there's a much better way (without patching dblatex).
>
> And remember that I bypassed the openSUSE package system, I'm using a
> Tex Live DVD. All *I* had to do was "tlmgr install babel-french"...
>
>> Consider me as a newbie in this domain.
>
> ... and that's all I know - I'm a newbie too!
>
> I recommend that you install the proper Ubuntu (or Debian?) package,
> e.g.
>
> http://packages.ubuntu.com/wily/texlive-lang-french
> or
> https://packages.debian.org/jessie/texlive-lang-french
>
> Alternatively you can try to just follow the instructions.
> Set TEXMF to ~/.texmf and install the files:
>
> luatex frenchb.ins
> TEXMF=~/.texmf
> mkdir -vp $TEXMF/{tex,source,doc}/generic/babel-french
> cp -pv frenchb.{ldf,lua} $TEXMF/tex/generic/babel-french
> cp -pv frenchb.{dtx,ins} $TEXMF/source/generic/babel-french
> cp -pv frenchb.pdf README $TEXMF/doc/generic/babel-french
>
> Look easy. :) Good luck! ;)
>
> Bye,
> Ulf
>
>
> --
> Wer über den Berg ist - geht abwärts.
> -- Karlheinz Deschner
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Re: [Gimp-docs] gimp-help-2-8 branch created

[Joao S. O. Bueno]

Ok.

Any more talks on moving on with the transition from docbook to some
other markup?



On 4 June 2016 at 15:36, Alexandre Prokoudine
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Michael Schumacher has just created and pushed a separate branch for v2.8 
> docs.
>
> All commits to Git master will show up in v2.10 docs now. If you want
> to update v2.8 docs, please work in the 'gimp-help-2-8' branch.
>
> Alex
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Re: [Gimp-docs] Help Needed for Documentation Writing?

[Joao S. O. Bueno]

this thread reminded me of how when translating the pt_BR version,
back in 2014, I was able to produce an .ODF version of the manual by
hammering some of the requisites in place.

The docbook->ODT path uses some ancient and arcane scripts I had to
hunt around the web like it was the 90's.

Maybe, while you are around you could also try to get that working and
fix  (or document) it?



On 25 October 2017 at 08:03, Julien Hardelin  wrote:
> Hi Pat,
>
> Here is my file corrected, with the xml file, as I don't exactly know what
> you are going to do.
>
> Julien
>
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