Re: [Gimp-user] On Close, the Save / Don't Save dialog is not paying attention to keyboard
Hi Jay, On 08 Apr 09 15:07 Jay Smith j...@jaysmith.com said: I _am_ speaking of the pneumonics in dialogs that open as the result of some action. I am _not_ speaking of accessing the main menus of programs (for which you _do_ need to use the ALT key). Every Windows program I have ever used, from Win311 to Win95* to Win98* to WinME* to W2Kpro* to WinXPpro* [The * o/s are currently installed and available to me in virtualized form for testing and verification] did as I expect they DO accept the use of single letter pneumonics in those types of dialogs. The same has been true for RedHat Linux and SCO Unixware that I have used. I haven't been following the full details of this thread, but I can confirm that my systems works as you report and that I do not regard this as standard behaviour for a Windows Application. I am running GIMP 2.6.5 under WinXP Home SP3 Greg Chapman http://www.gregtutor.plus.com Helping new users of KompoZer and The GIMP ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] On Close, the Save / Don't Save dialog is not paying attention to keyboard
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Jay Smith j...@jaysmith.com wrote: Using Gimp 2.6.6 on Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy) Linux. If I have a newly created untitled image and I Close it, I naturally, and correctly, get a dialog asking me if I wish to save it or not save it. In that dialog, pneumonic letters are underlined, meaning that I _should_ simply be able to type that letter and the action will be taken -- at least that is the way it would work on Windows (but I don't have Gimp on Windows). I _can_ access those pneumonics if I do an ALT first, as one would normally do when using pneumonics to get to menus. However, I think I should be able to simply type the single pneumonic/letter that is underlined. I have to say that I don't recall ever encountering such a behaviour on Windows. I've always had to use ALT both on Windows and Linux, that I recall. a) Is this behavior (that I can't just type the letter, I have to also hit the ALT key) correct for this type of dialog box? See below. Also, I think a decision was made against this kind of behaviour as it can make it quite easy to accidentally choose one of these options (if eg. you think you're typing in IRC but actually your gimp 'Close images' dialog is focused). I remember tripping over this in old DOS programs. b) Is this the way Gimp acts in Windows? Yes, as far as I know. c) Is this problem an Ubuntu / KDE standard way of doing things (or a known problem)? GTK+ standard way of doing things, AFAIK. David ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] On Close, the Save / Don't Save dialog is not paying attention to keyboard
On 04/08/2009 12:36 AM, Owen wrote: Using Gimp 2.6.6 on Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy) Linux. If I have a newly created untitled image and I Close it, I naturally, and correctly, get a dialog asking me if I wish to save it or not save it. In that dialog, pneumonic letters are underlined, meaning that I _should_ simply be able to type that letter and the action will be taken -- at least that is the way it would work on Windows (but I don't have Gimp on Windows). I _can_ access those pneumonics if I do an ALT first, as one would normally do when using pneumonics to get to menus. However, I think I should be able to simply type the single pneumonic/letter that is underlined. a) Is this behavior (that I can't just type the letter, I have to also hit the ALT key) correct for this type of dialog box? b) Is this the way Gimp acts in Windows? c) Is this problem an Ubuntu / KDE standard way of doing things (or a known problem)? OWEN REPLIED Here on Ubuntu-8.10, Alt+F then N brings up a new dialog, and randomly checking a number of others, it worked as expected On Windows there is a windows theme (name forgotten) that can upset all manner of keyboard actions, but AFAIK, a standard installation of windows should allow keyboard control Hi Owen, Thanks for your reply, but I think you may have missed the point of my question. To demonstrate: 1) Create a new image (by any means you wish). Edit the image in some way so it is different than the initial default empty created image. 2) Attempt to close the image. 3) On my system you will see a dialog box with the choices of: Save doN't save Cancel The capital letter I have used above is actually the underlined letter in the dialog. 4) On my system, I believe I should be able to simply type that capitalized letter to select and execute one of those three choices. However, on my system, that dialog box is not paying attention to my keyboard when I type just the letter (s, n, or c). Instead, I have to press the ALT key and then type (s, n, or c). In other programs on my system, such as Thunderbird Mail, the behavior I desire and expect does work. Again, I am using: Gimp 2.6.6 on Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy) Linux. I think this is a bug, but I am seeking confirmation from others before I report it. Thanks, Jay ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] On Close, the Save / Don't Save dialog is not paying attention to keyboard
On 04/08/2009 05:57 AM, David Gowers wrote: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Jay Smith j...@jaysmith.com wrote: Using Gimp 2.6.6 on Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy) Linux. If I have a newly created untitled image and I Close it, I naturally, and correctly, get a dialog asking me if I wish to save it or not save it. In that dialog, pneumonic letters are underlined, meaning that I _should_ simply be able to type that letter and the action will be taken -- at least that is the way it would work on Windows (but I don't have Gimp on Windows). I _can_ access those pneumonics if I do an ALT first, as one would normally do when using pneumonics to get to menus. However, I think I should be able to simply type the single pneumonic/letter that is underlined. I have to say that I don't recall ever encountering such a behaviour on Windows. I've always had to use ALT both on Windows and Linux, that I recall. a) Is this behavior (that I can't just type the letter, I have to also hit the ALT key) correct for this type of dialog box? See below. Also, I think a decision was made against this kind of behaviour as it can make it quite easy to accidentally choose one of these options (if eg. you think you're typing in IRC but actually your gimp 'Close images' dialog is focused). I remember tripping over this in old DOS programs. b) Is this the way Gimp acts in Windows? Yes, as far as I know. c) Is this problem an Ubuntu / KDE standard way of doing things (or a known problem)? GTK+ standard way of doing things, AFAIK. David Thanks David, But... I am not sure we are speaking of the same behavior / application. I _am_ speaking of the pneumonics in dialogs that open as the result of some action. I am _not_ speaking of accessing the main menus of programs (for which you _do_ need to use the ALT key). Every Windows program I have ever used, from Win311 to Win95* to Win98* to WinME* to W2Kpro* to WinXPpro* [The * o/s are currently installed and available to me in virtualized form for testing and verification] did as I expect they DO accept the use of single letter pneumonics in those types of dialogs. The same has been true for RedHat Linux and SCO Unixware that I have used. I have only a few months of using Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy) Linux / KDE , it also seems to be true there and in the program I am using right now, Thunderbird Mail, it is true. This is on the very same system on which I am using Gimp. (If I try to close the message I am currently writing without first saving it, it will present a dialog and allow me to use single character pnuemonics without having to use the ALT key -- except that of the three choices, only two of them have pneumonics; a bug I need to report.) What does your Gimp do and what are you running it on? 1) Create a new image (by any means you wish). Edit the image in some way so it is different than the initial default empty created image. 2) Attempt to close the image. 3) On my system you will see a dialog box with the choices of: Save doN't save Cancel The capital letter I have used above is actually the underlined letter in the dialog. 4) On my system, I believe I should be able to simply type that capitalized letter to select and execute one of those three choices. Thanks, Jay ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] On Close, the Save / Don't Save dialog is not paying attention to keyboard
Using Gimp 2.6.6 on Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy) Linux. If I have a newly created untitled image and I Close it, I naturally, and correctly, get a dialog asking me if I wish to save it or not save it. In that dialog, pneumonic letters are underlined, meaning that I _should_ simply be able to type that letter and the action will be taken -- at least that is the way it would work on Windows (but I don't have Gimp on Windows). I _can_ access those pneumonics if I do an ALT first, as one would normally do when using pneumonics to get to menus. However, I think I should be able to simply type the single pneumonic/letter that is underlined. a) Is this behavior (that I can't just type the letter, I have to also hit the ALT key) correct for this type of dialog box? b) Is this the way Gimp acts in Windows? c) Is this problem an Ubuntu / KDE standard way of doing things (or a known problem)? Here on Ubuntu-8.10, Alt+F then N brings up a new dialog, and randomly checking a number of others, it worked as expected On Windows there is a windows theme (name forgotten) that can upset all manner of keyboard actions, but AFAIK, a standard installation of windows should allow keyboard control -- Owen ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
