Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-17 Thread Frank Gore
So I moved upstream and asked about this on the LittleCMS mailing list. From what the users and devs there were able to figure out, there is no ICC profile embedded in my camera's JPG and TIF files. In fact, DSLR cameras do not embed an ICC profile at all. The Digital Camera File system (DCF)

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-17 Thread Frank Gore
HAH! All of this has been a long-standing bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=492048 -- Frank Gore Project Manager www.projectpontiac.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-16 Thread Milan Knížek
Frank Gore píše v Pá 15. 01. 2010 v 17:12 -0500: But this begs the question, what does Gimp use to determine the embedded color profile? The EXIF data, or something else? Because even if I change that tag from Uncalibrated to Adobe RGB, it still doesn't change how Gimp treats it. Again, you

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-16 Thread Frank Gore
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 3:32 AM, Milan Knížek knizek.co...@volny.cz wrote: I would assume that GIMP does not care about tags, just looks for any embedded profile. But the developers would have to confirm it. Upon further research, I just noticed there are two major versions of the ICC

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-16 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On 1/16/10, Frank Gore wrote: Upon further research, I just noticed there are two major versions of the ICC specification, 2.x and 4.x. Does Gimp support both? Does it support the latest? (4.2) Upon even further research you would find out that GIMP doesn't care about that, because this is

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-15 Thread Milan Knížek
Frank Gore píše v Čt 14. 01. 2010 v 21:35 -0500: Sorry, those were links to the version of the pictures as displayed by Picasa, which has the metadata stripped. The direct download links are as follows: I thought your camera would be very unusual to provide JPEGs w/o metadata... Adobe RGB:

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-15 Thread Milan Knížek
Frank Gore píše v St 13. 01. 2010 v 18:20 -0500: In any case, like I mentioned in my original post, I specifically have it set to Ask what to do in the Preferences, and it doesn't ask. I agree with you, it is definitely a bug. GIMP should not assume that JPEG is in sRGB colour space when

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-14 Thread David Gowers
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Frank Gore g...@projectpontiac.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:43 PM, David Gowers 00a...@gmail.com wrote: We don't know if their formats are crazy. But they certainly appear to be undocumented. Until they are documented, or someone reverse-engineers

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-14 Thread Milan Knížek
David Gowers píše v Čt 14. 01. 2010 v 18:56 +1030: On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Frank Gore g...@projectpontiac.com wrote: color profile and ask me about it when I open the file. Isn't that how it's supposed to work? That's what other applications do, for example Digikam/showFoto. In

[Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-14 Thread Frank Gore
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:26 AM, David Gowers 00a...@gmail.com wrote: Don't you think that would be very tiresome? Most images have no ICC profile attached; in this case, sRGB is indeed implied. Producing images that are not sRGB but have no ICC profile attached is wrong (more precisely, it's

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-14 Thread Tom Williams
Frank Gore wrote: Sorry, those were links to the version of the pictures as displayed by Picasa, which has the metadata stripped. The direct download links are as follows: Adobe RGB: http://lh6.ggpht.com/_HAZjMzZWrtc/S05qkb7KkYI/BCw/oPJ80XXYH-Y/d/_GOR3359.JPG sRGB:

[Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-13 Thread Frank Gore
I've been pulling my hair out trying to figure out color management in Gimp. In the preferences, I clearly have File Open Behaviour set to Ask what to do. My working profile is sRGB, and so is my Monitor profile. I have Display rendering intent set to Relative colorimetric. Yet, everytime I open

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-13 Thread Michael J. Hammel
On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 17:46 -0500, Frank Gore wrote: In the preferences, I clearly have File Open Behaviour set to Ask what to do. My working profile is sRGB, and so is my Monitor profile. I'm no expert about this so my wild-ass guess is that it doesn't ask because there is nothing to do.

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-13 Thread David Gowers
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Frank Gore g...@projectpontiac.com wrote: I've been pulling my hair out trying to figure out color management in Gimp. In the preferences, I clearly have File Open Behaviour set to Ask what to do. My working profile is sRGB, and so is my Monitor profile. I

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-13 Thread Frank Gore
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 6:21 PM, David Gowers 00a...@gmail.com wrote: That sounds very much like it is attached in a non-standard way. Actually, you're entirely right. If I assign an Adobe RGB profile to the picture, then save it, and re-open it, THEN it asks me what to do with the color

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-13 Thread Michael J. Hammel
On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 18:20 -0500, Frank Gore wrote: But the problem is that it doesn't convert when I open the file. It just assumes the picture is in sRGB and interprets the color space that way. Have you ever seen the colors of a file in Adobe RGB that's incorrectly interpreted as sRGB?

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-13 Thread Michael J. Hammel
On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 18:34 -0500, Frank Gore wrote: On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 6:21 PM, David Gowers 00a...@gmail.com wrote: That sounds very much like it is attached in a non-standard way. Actually, you're entirely right. If I assign an Adobe RGB profile to the picture, then save it, and

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-13 Thread Frank Gore
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Frank Gore g...@projectpontiac.com wrote: As I mentioned, all the commercial applications I've tried had no problems determining the appropriate color space for these files. It's only open source tools that are unable to, including Gimp. So is this a bug? Or

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-13 Thread David Gowers
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Frank Gore g...@projectpontiac.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Frank Gore g...@projectpontiac.com wrote: As I mentioned, all the commercial applications I've tried had no problems determining the appropriate color space for these files. It's only

Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-13 Thread Frank Gore
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:43 PM, David Gowers 00a...@gmail.com wrote: We don't know if their formats are crazy. But they certainly appear to be undocumented. Until they are documented, or someone reverse-engineers them, we are unlikely to gain support for them in open-source software.