Re: [Gimp-user] SOLVED: export vs. save menu in gimp2.8 - simple and lasting solution
Dirk noi...@pwnoogle.com writes: The whole situation boils down to the lack of character that is necessary for admitting a mistake and reversing this change in the workflow. There's much to be said for the new behaviour. It would be better if Ctrl-E just used the filename and properties from the imported file. The first time it may even show a File exists, overwrite dialog. Currently, Ctrl-E and Shift-Ctrl-E open the same export dialog, which is a waste. -- Johan ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] still boring export - save as - discussion
Hi friends, the boring discussion resurrect again and again, it's ridiculous. I sent two contributions to the save-firestorms before but it seems that no one to whom it concerns read it and thought only one second about the developer's why. Why do all the trolls still use this unprofessional and inefficient GIMP ? Why they don't switch to ADOBE for instance? Oh, I know: You can't ask ADOBE for help without paying for an expensive contract. So be happy with GIMP and if not stimulate your brain to learn new keystrokes to use GIMP 2.8. The only constructive mail came from Johan (Ctrl-E and Shift-Ctrl-E open the same export dialog, which is a waste) take as an example! Konrad ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] still boring export - save as - discussion
* Uniklaps uni.kl...@t-online.de [07-29-13 04:33]: the boring discussion resurrect again and again, it's ridiculous. I sent two contributions to the save-firestorms before but it seems that no one to whom it concerns read it and thought only one second about the developer's why. Many inward looking individuals with their view obscured by the matter within their colon. Why do all the trolls still use this unprofessional and inefficient GIMP ? Why they don't switch to ADOBE for instance? Oh, I know: You can't ask ADOBE for help without paying for an expensive contract. So be happy with GIMP and if not stimulate your brain to learn new keystrokes to use GIMP 2.8. The only constructive mail came from Johan (Ctrl-E and Shift-Ctrl-E open the same export dialog, which is a waste) Just noticed that there is a new, at least to me, menu option under File, Overwrite original-file-name, which effectively accomplishes the action desired by those unable to adjust. Perhaps an attempt has been made to lower the noise ratio here. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] bucket fill
Win 7 64 bit Hi, how can I use the bucket-fill option to fill an area surrounded by a dotted line? The dotted line is a path; so if I use a line for the dots, the bucket-fill works. But how can I step back after filling to change the path's line into dots again? I appreciate your help! Thanks Konrad ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] SOLVED: export vs. save menu in gimp2.8 - simple and lasting solution
On 07/28/2013 09:42 PM, Bob Long wrote: I use command keys like CTRL-S, but not sure how to re-define it to save-export-clean.. See if Edit|Keyboard Shortcuts helps! thank you! -- Paul Cartwright ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] still boring export - save as - discussion
On 07/29/2013 05:54 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: Just noticed that there is a new, at least to me, menu option under File, Overwrite original-file-name, which effectively accomplishes the action desired by those unable to adjust. Perhaps an attempt has been made to lower the noise ratio here. overwriting the original is usually NOT a good idea.. I'm a firm believer in renaming. I usually rename adding an s at the end ( small) when I create 1024X XXX size photos to share in email facebook.. -- Paul Cartwright ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] still boring export - save as - discussion
Patrick Shanahan (ptilopt...@gmail.com) wrote: The only constructive mail came from Johan (Ctrl-E and Shift-Ctrl-E open the same export dialog, which is a waste) Just noticed that there is a new, at least to me, menu option under File, Overwrite original-file-name, which effectively accomplishes the action desired by those unable to adjust. Perhaps an attempt has been made to lower the noise ratio here. This has been in the specification for ages and has been implemented for ages. Bye, Simon -- si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] still boring export - save as - discussion
Paul Cartwright (pbcartwri...@gmail.com) wrote: On 07/29/2013 05:54 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: Just noticed that there is a new, at least to me, menu option under File, Overwrite original-file-name, which effectively accomplishes the action desired by those unable to adjust. Perhaps an attempt has been made to lower the noise ratio here. overwriting the original is usually NOT a good idea.. I'm a firm believer in renaming. I usually rename adding an s at the end ( small) when I create 1024X XXX size photos to share in email facebook.. This is however exactly, what all these threads ask for when asking for the old save behaviour. Bye, Simon -- si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] still boring export - save as - discussion
On 07/29/2013 06:08 AM, Simon Budig wrote: This is however exactly, what all these threads ask for when asking for the old save behaviour. Bye, Simon that is one good reason to stay on Windows use Adobe Photoshop Elements. I used Elements for years, and like it. It is installed on my Windows 7 partition ( dual-boot computer). I decided to go back to Linux recently, and the new 2.8 Gimp behavior was a shock to me, having used the old gimp for years. -- Paul Cartwright ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] still boring export - save as - discussion
* Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com [07-29-13 07:16]: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: Just noticed that there is a new, at least to me, menu option under File, Overwrite original-file-name, which effectively accomplishes the action desired by those unable to adjust. Perhaps an attempt has been made to lower the noise ratio here. It's been available since the very beginning, Patrick. Your observation makes me wonder how many people actually understand what they discuss. Guess I just never took time or had need of it. I have no problem with the new way, it's just different. I had to adjust the file-name before to *not* overwrite and seldom worked on jpeg files. Jpeg files are to me something to show or display on my web site, I mostly shoot raw and convert. What bothered me the most of 2.8 was the change in Shrink Wrap and Fit Image in Window. But this is an effect of old finger are hard to retrain :^). tks, -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] bucket fill
You could make your path a selection and then fill that selection. There's a button at the bottom of the Paths tab that looks like a dotted-line square--that's Path to Selection. Click that, then fill. Should be fine. Good luck! On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:56 AM, Uniklaps uni.kl...@t-online.de wrote: Win 7 64 bit Hi, how can I use the bucket-fill option to fill an area surrounded by a dotted line? The dotted line is a path; so if I use a line for the dots, the bucket-fill works. But how can I step back after filling to change the path's line into dots again? I appreciate your help! Thanks Konrad ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] SOLVED: export vs. save menu in gimp2.8 - simple and lasting solution
From: jvrom...@squirrel.nl To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:21:40 +0200 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] SOLVED: export vs. save menu in gimp2.8 - simple and lasting solution Dirk noi...@pwnoogle.com writes: There's much to be said for the new behaviour. It would be better if Ctrl-E just used the filename and properties from the imported file. The first time it may even show a File exists, overwrite dialog. Currently, Ctrl-E and Shift-Ctrl-E open the same export dialog, which is a waste. -- Johan ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list Y'know, I cannot think of any situation in my personal workflow where Ctrl+E versus Ctrl+Shift+E creates a tangible difference in behavior. This is a problem. -- Stratadrake strata_ran...@hotmail.com Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] still boring export - save as - discussion
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Richard Gitschlag wrote: HOWEVER, it is interesting to note that despite appearances, the Overwrite and Export menu options are actually different commands internally and only one of them gets the Ctrl+E shortcut. This was apparently deliberate, but I know I don't entirely like it. Of course it was deliberate :) In terms of UX, conditional menu items are evil. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] Include exported filename/options in XCF data
This is a tangent related to the matter that the first time you do an export command from a GIMP session there is no practical difference between Ctrl+E (Export) and Shift+Ctrl+E (Export To). Now, of course, the first time you do a Save command there is no difference between Ctrl+S (Save) and Shift+Ctrl+S (Save As) but this is not what makes the export shortcut an issue. The saved filename is effectively kept between GIMP sessions. The last-exported filename is not. If you only ever do one export per GIMP session, you will never see any difference between Ctrl+E and Shift+Ctrl+E. (Likewise, in an import/overwrite based workflow there is no difference between Ctrl+E and Shift+Ctrl+E either, because Overwrite is not the same command or shortcut as Export.) So the suggestion here is that when you save your XCF file, the file should record a block of data for the last used export filename and its associated options. If you have a workflow where you regularly export to the same target filename (but generally only once per GIMP session) this would be an improvement over the current behavior because GIMP then does not have to keep confirming that you're overwriting a file that exists or keep prompting you for export options. -- Stratadrake strata_ran...@hotmail.com Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Enhancement request: Transparency as a paintable color
So, to give an analogy, if you are working on a surface with no alpha channel, you can simply swap to the background color to erase something you've drawn (which is also precisely what the Eraser tool does if there's no alpha channel!), right? Okay, I think I understand. You know how the Eraser option uses an Alt key modifier for Anti-erase? Maybe add something similar to the Pencil/Paintbrush tools - Alt key activates an anti paint mode. The difference between this and switching to the Eraser tool outright is that the Eraser tool might have separate tool options (dynamics, etc.). I can support that having a keyboard modifier to do something on an arbitrary basis is indeed slightly faster than going to the toolbox and switching tools. Heck, it's still faster than swapping a Wacom pen around for the other end. -- Stratadrake strata_ran...@hotmail.com Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Enhancement request: Transparency as a paintable color
Richard Gitschlag (strata_ran...@hotmail.com) wrote: Okay, I think I understand. You know how the Eraser option uses an Alt key modifier for Anti-erase? Maybe add something similar to the Pencil/Paintbrush tools - Alt key activates an anti paint mode. The difference between this and switching to the Eraser tool outright is that the Eraser tool might have separate tool options (dynamics, etc.). At some point we had a feature where the keyboard shortcut X would swap between two different tools (and their contexts). It seems that this feature got lost at some point unfortunately. Anybody willing to hunt it down and resurrect it? Bye, Simon -- si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] bucket fill
Madeleine Fisher animatrix1...@gmail.com wrote: You could make your path a selection and then fill that selection. There's a button at the bottom of the Paths tab that looks like a dotted-line square--that's Path to Selection. Click that, then fill. Should be fine. IMHO, this is a partial solution. It works, but is sub optimal if the is ANY chance that you might want to edit this in the future. The full correct solution would be to make a selection and save to a channel. Cancel the selection(this part is important!!) Create a new layer ABOVE the one with the path. Right click on the new layer and add a layer mask, with your channel as the source. Ensure you have the layer(and not the mask!) selected in the layers window and just drag your color of course to the top layer. The new color will be constrained to the the layer mask created. The benefit to this approach is that you don't destroy the original layer in any way since you did not modify it!!! Just make sure to Save the result xcf file so that if you need to change the color or whatever at a later time, you can easily open the xcf and just drag a new color to that top layer. If you want to add an effect such as having the filled section have a slight blur to it for a gradual fade out, click on the layer mask for the top layer, and apply your blur. Since I almost always use layer masks in my compositions, I can't honestly remember the last time I used the bucket fill tool(though I'm sure it has some uses). ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] The number of posts from unsubscribed users is rising...
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 08:16:14PM +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote: Hi there, I'm seeing a growing number of posts from unsubscribed users in the moderation queues of the mailing lists. Usually, only the occasional spam ends up there, and is quickly deleted. In order to avoid getting caught in this, please subscribe to the lists if you plan to post there as well. And if you are subscribed, please make sure that you are using the subscribed mail identity to post. -- Regards, Michael List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list ---end quoted text--- Thought I had, didn't know you had a read only option for email subscribers, or is it because I'm from the GMail domain? -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] The number of posts from unsubscribed users is rising...
On 29.07.2013 04:32, Stephen Allen wrote: On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 08:16:14PM +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote: And if you are subscribed, please make sure that you are using the subscribed mail identity to post. Thought I had, didn't know you had a read only option for email subscribers, or is it because I'm from the GMail domain? Your Gmail address isn't subscribed. I had to approve this message manually as well. Regards, Michael ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] SOLVED: export vs. save menu in gimp2.8 - simple and lasting solution
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Stephen Allen wrote: It's a mistake only in the eyes of a vocal few, who never have used GIMP in a professional work-flow. It's not a huge change, so either adapt, change to a simpler editor, or get used to it. Staying with one version forever pretty much indicates that you're not using for complicated editing. So, GIMP probably isn't for you. You posted this on the Debian-user list too I see. What, the amazing http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/04/msg00265.html thread is back? Oh, Dirk :) OTOH, thanks for posting the chroot howto. Sounds like future FAQ material. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Enhancement request: Transparency as a paintable color
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Simon Budig wrote: At some point we had a feature where the keyboard shortcut X would swap between two different tools (and their contexts). It seems that this feature got lost at some point unfortunately. Anybody willing to hunt it down and resurrect it? X is currently taken by swapping BG/FG colors. Perhaps some other shortcut for the swapping of tools? Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] SOLVED: export vs. save menu in gimp2.8 - simple and lasting solution
El 29/07/2013 20:27, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com escribió: What, the amazing http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/04/msg00265.html thread is back? Oh, Dirk :) Looking at that link maybe Microsoft didn't hire that people. Probably they just exported them from their staff to save resources (sorry for the offtopic...). ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Enhancement request: Transparency as a paintable color
On 07/30/2013 04:45 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Simon Budig wrote: At some point we had a feature where the keyboard shortcut X would swap between two different tools (and their contexts). It seems that this feature got lost at some point unfortunately. Anybody willing to hunt it down and resurrect it? X is currently taken by swapping BG/FG colors. Perhaps some other shortcut for the swapping of tools? The way I was thinking of it, if transparent was a color (and set as the BG), the shortcut would work. This seemed logical for me because in a file with layers transparent is effectively the BG color for the layers above the bottom. Anti-paint would also work I guess. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] bucket fill
On 07/29/2013 11:56 AM, Uniklaps wrote: Win 7 64 bit Hi, how can I use the bucket-fill option to fill an area surrounded by a dotted line? The dotted line is a path; so if I use a line for the dots, the bucket-fill works. But how can I step back after filling to change the path's line into dots again? Other have answered about creating a selection form the path and filling the selection, preferably on a distinct layer. But even if you had a continuous line the plain-bucket fill would not give the expected result. Used that way it either leaves a faint space along the line, or gives it a jagged edge. The reason is that the edge of the line is made of anti-aliasing pixels, that either have a color which is a blend of the line color and the background color, or are partially transparent if the line is on a transparent layer. Then the bucket-fill in 'normal' mode always either completely paints the pixels (jagged edge) or doesn't paint them at all (space) . If the line is on a transparent layer you can use the bucket-fill in behind mode. In behind mode the painting only applies to whatever transparency is left in a pixel. If you produced the line from a path, make a selection from it and fill it. Otherwise, use the wand to make a rough selection on the background, then grow that selection to include the edge pixels of the line, then bucket-fill. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] My Comics Art
Just showing my work. I'm using gimp since 2007 to make my comics. I've already launched two books. My web comic can be found at: http://oswaldoaugusto.com/ (only in portuguese =/) I'm also making animations with GIMP+GAP and BLENDER, but that's gonna be a new topic. Very happy with GIMP, just want to share this. Attachments: * http://www.gimpusers.com/system/attachments/59/original/sundypage-178.jpg -- udan (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] My Comics Art
Just to add my shameless plug: http://preciousmetal.smackjeeves.com/ (the whole thing) http://verymintcomics.com/preciousmetal (the latest) I drew the whole 1st issue in GIMP and the rest were scanned, cleaned up, colored, etc. solely in GIMP. Thanks, GIMP! corny thumbs up On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 9:29 PM, udan for...@gimpusers.com wrote: Just showing my work. I'm using gimp since 2007 to make my comics. I've already launched two books. My web comic can be found at: http://oswaldoaugusto.com/ (only in portuguese =/) I'm also making animations with GIMP+GAP and BLENDER, but that's gonna be a new topic. Very happy with GIMP, just want to share this. Attachments: * http://www.gimpusers.com/system/attachments/59/original/sundypage-178.jpg -- udan (via www.gimpusers.com/forums) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
