Re: [Gimp-user] Can't open extremely large .PNG

[Gérald Brosseau]

Have you try with only 1 file ?

Try with an other one, the one you are using might the problem !



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Today's Topics:

1.  Can't open extremely large .PNG (Deixis)
2.  Custom Script UI (FierySwordswoman)
3.  How do I trim or add x pixels from/to every edge? (qnr)
4. Re:  How do I trim or add x pixels from/to every edge? (Pat David)
5. Re:  Custom Script UI (Kevin Payne)
6. Re:  Can't open extremely large .PNG (Rick Strong)
7. Re:  Custom Script UI (Ofnuts)


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It might be worth having another go. As before I use mainly linux,
keep a Windows virtual machine to see the problems Win users
experience with Gimp.

This Win 10 VM is short on resources, 2 GB memory and not much free
disk space. Amazed that it works.

15 minutes to load the 1,225,877 KB png, 18 minutes to render a 10%
scaled png 32,561 KB

see the screenshot and check the bottom left corner. I started with
2.02 GB free and ended with 1.11

Personally, I do not think that ImageMagick will scale that down. I
get error messages here, but the place to ask is the IM forum where
they are very helpful.

http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/ users section.

Ah, I misspoke. Sorry.

I still can't open it in Nip2. What I meant to say was that the Nip2 UI works
now, but crashes as soon as I try to open the png.



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Re: [Gimp-user] Can't open extremely large .PNG

[Liam R. E. Quin]

On Thu, 2016-10-13 at 01:42 +0200, Deixis wrote:
> > 
> Oh my gosh I'm sorry, I forgot that Gimp is released on more than
> just Windows.

It's OK, but giving information about your system is really really
important when asking for help with software crashes.

> Yeah, I run in on Windows 10. I do have exactly 16 GB of ram, but
> only about 40 GB of free disc space left.

Windows might need a large swap file (on the same partition as the main
Windows disk, good old C: itself) so that might be a problem. Also make
sure you have downloaded 64-bit versions of GIMP or whatever you're
using.

> Is there perhaps just a way to cut the image into muliple images?
Most software to do that will need to load the image into memory.

Do you know the dimensions (size in pixels) of the image? And whether
it's RGB colour or greyscale?? Or is the image publicly available
somewhere? And, what size do you want to end up with?

Does Windows Picture Viewer open the image? IrfanView is popular but
has a 32-bit limit on file size, so even though your PNG image is only
one gigabyte in disk size, it's compressed; if it uncompresses to more
than 4 gigabytes, IrfanView will probably crash, as will most other 32-
bit programs.

Some other programs:
* http://www.fastpictureviewer.com/ [view only, no resize]
* http://delhoume.frederic.free.fr/vliv.htm can export the current zoom
view; shareware
* http://fwtools.maptools.org/ (may be hard to use)

Liam




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Re: [Gimp-user] Custom Script UI

[Ofnuts]

On 13/10/16 20:13, FierySwordswoman wrote:

You have to use register(), but you can have an empty parameter list.
Then your plugin is called directly without the Gimp-built dialog.

What, you mean with no "PF-XXX" parameters? Yeah, I got that much as I've made
scripts with both no UI and the built-in UI before. I'm rather certain it still
wants you to use their UI, though.


Something like this:

register(
'new-image',
'Creates a new image','Creates a new image',
'Myself','Myself',
'2012',
'Create new image',
'',[],[],
newImage,
menu='/File/Create/'
)

This script will run without showing up a dialog, and will even run if 
no images are open in Gimp.



Even if that's all it took, there's still the issue of gimp using a watered down
Python 2.7.5, which I'm not sure how to add normal modules to.


Pip could work...


I assume Kivy's
pretty much out of the question, but TkInter's normally built in to python,
except with gimp a number of base modules, including TkInter, aren't present
anymore.


As Kevin says, PyGTK is a good option.

I already have python 3.4 and 2.7 installations on my pc, but it's unlikely they
can be made relevant here.


Don' t speak to fast, and check the 
/lib/gimp/2.0/interpreters/pygimp.interp file in the Gimp install tree. 
You can very likely switch to your own 2.7.x. Of course, you'll end up 
writing scripts that only you can use :)



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Re: [Gimp-user] Can't open extremely large .PNG

[Rick Strong]

Be it on your own head, but if had no further use for them, I would go ahead 
and delete the 319.50 MB of temp files from the temp area. Just make sure 
they're not currently doing something important. You might empty your 
Recycle Bin, too. It gives your machine headroom.


I reiterate, the responsibility is yours.

RS

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Many appologies, I gave bad info on the nip2 for windows download. Not
Nip2

You have to go back a couple of sub-versions to get a windows
installer.

http://www.vips.ecs.soton.ac.uk/supported/8.2/win32/nip2-8.2b-setup.zip

This in a Win10 Virtual machine (with limited resorces) just to see
how it installs.

Installs to a strange location but let it go there. You will find it
in the Win10 applications. See the screenshot


Thank you. Yes, the program works but if I load the png in it, it instantly
crashes with a typical Windows error that doesn't tell me anything. If I run 
the
program again it asks me if I want to delete 319.50 MB of temp files from 
the

temp area. Clearly it is doing something.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Custom Script UI

[Kevin Payne]

>What, you mean with no "PF-XXX" parameters? Yeah, I got that much as I've made
>scripts with both no UI and the built-in UI before. I'm rather certain it still
>wants you to use their UI, though.

>Even if that's all it took, there's still the issue of gimp using a watered 
>down
>Python 2.7.5, which I'm not sure how to add normal modules to. I assume Kivy's
>pretty much out of the question, but TkInter's normally built in to python,
>except with gimp a number of base modules, including TkInter, aren't present
.anymore.

As you say TkInter isn't in the GIMP supplied Python (which is a pity as it 
uses native file browsers instead of the GTK abomination), but you can use 
PyGTK, which you should be able to understand quite readily as you have TkInter 
experience.

Here's a relatively simple PyGTK GIMP plug-in I wrote some time ago: 
https://bitbucket.org/paynekj/paynekj-gimp-scripts/src/2e8e87faf5eaaf6036e0d8b68ff9f6f37a3f0421/plug-ins/pygtk_add_multiple_guides.py?at=default

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Re: [Gimp-user] How do I trim or add x pixels from/to every edge?

[Pat David]

Possibly try the Erode or Dilate commands?

Or make a selection of all of the areas based on color, then use selection
Grow or Shrink?

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 3:52 PM qnr  wrote:

> Two apologies - I accidentally posted this in the wrong forum earlier, I'm
> looking to see how to delete that post - also, this might be a duplicate,
> I did
> some searches but could not find the information that I was looking for.
>
> I am looking for the best way to trim or add a set number of pixels to
> every
> edge (interior and exterior) of an image.
>
> This is for creating stencils for screen printing. Say, for example, that I
> wanted to screen a simple image of Tux on a dark tee. I'd want to put a
> base
> layer of white down so that the white and yellow show up clearly; however,
> I
> don't want that white to bleed out past the black of the body of Tux.
> Scaling
> wouldn't work of course, because it would change the position of items in
> other
> areas.
>
> Thanks!
>
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[Gimp-user] Can't open extremely large .PNG

[rich2005]

>I can't seem to spot nip2 in the directory structure. Vips itself also
>seems to be a dos/command prompt application, I don't get an interface
>when running the vips executable.

Many appologies, I gave bad info on the nip2 for windows download. Not Nip2

You have to go back a couple of sub-versions to get a windows installer.

http://www.vips.ecs.soton.ac.uk/supported/8.2/win32/nip2-8.2b-setup.zip

This in a Win10 Virtual machine (with limited resorces) just to see how it
installs.

Installs to a strange location but let it go there. You will find it in the
Win10 applications. See the screenshot

Attachments:
* http://www.gimpusers.com/system/attachments/294/original/win10_nip2.jpg

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[Gimp-user] Visual C++ Runtime Library

[javalava]

Installing 2.8.16 on Windows 10 seems to work until I want to use it.  Opening
even a small image invokes a Runtime Error from the Visual C++ Runtime Library.

Which version of the library is it compiled to work with?

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[Gimp-user] How do I trim or add x pixels from/to every edge?

[qnr]

Two apologies - I accidentally posted this in the wrong forum earlier, I'm
looking to see how to delete that post - also, this might be a duplicate, I did
some searches but could not find the information that I was looking for.

I am looking for the best way to trim or add a set number of pixels to every
edge (interior and exterior) of an image.

This is for creating stencils for screen printing. Say, for example, that I
wanted to screen a simple image of Tux on a dark tee. I'd want to put a base
layer of white down so that the white and yellow show up clearly; however, I
don't want that white to bleed out past the black of the body of Tux. Scaling
wouldn't work of course, because it would change the position of items in other
areas.

Thanks!

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[Gimp-user] Can't open extremely large .PNG

[rich2005]

>Thank you. Yes, the program works but if I load the png in it, it
>instantly crashes with a typical Windows error that doesn't tell me
>anything. If I run the program again it asks me if I want to delete
>319.50 MB of temp files from the temp area. Clearly it is doing
>something.

It might be worth having another go. As before I use mainly linux, keep a
Windows virtual machine to see the problems Win users experience with Gimp.

This Win 10 VM is short on resources, 2 GB memory and not much free disk space.
Amazed that it works.

15 minutes to load the 1,225,877 KB png, 18 minutes to render a 10% scaled png
32,561 KB

see the screenshot and check the bottom left corner. I started with 2.02 GB free
and ended with 1.11

Personally, I do not think that ImageMagick will scale that down. I get error
messages here, but the place to ask is the IM forum where they are very helpful.

http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/ users section.

Attachments:
* http://www.gimpusers.com/system/attachments/295/original/win10.jpg

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[Gimp-user] Design of splash screen

[selnomeria]

Hi.
It will be good if you put the start screen into the blue semi-transparent
borders.
I think it will make the look & feel of GIMP much user-friendly and will be much
better.

here Image:  http://i.imgur.com/KcCK3P0.jpg

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[Gimp-user] Can't open extremely large .PNG

[Deixis]

>Many appologies, I gave bad info on the nip2 for windows download. Not
>Nip2
>
>You have to go back a couple of sub-versions to get a windows
>installer.
>
>http://www.vips.ecs.soton.ac.uk/supported/8.2/win32/nip2-8.2b-setup.zip
>
>This in a Win10 Virtual machine (with limited resorces) just to see
>how it installs.
>
>Installs to a strange location but let it go there. You will find it
>in the Win10 applications. See the screenshot

Thank you. Yes, the program works but if I load the png in it, it instantly
crashes with a typical Windows error that doesn't tell me anything. If I run the
program again it asks me if I want to delete 319.50 MB of temp files from the
temp area. Clearly it is doing something.

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[Gimp-user] Can't open extremely large .PNG

[Deixis]

>It might be worth having another go. As before I use mainly linux,
>keep a Windows virtual machine to see the problems Win users
>experience with Gimp.
>
>This Win 10 VM is short on resources, 2 GB memory and not much free
>disk space. Amazed that it works.
>
>15 minutes to load the 1,225,877 KB png, 18 minutes to render a 10%
>scaled png 32,561 KB
>
>see the screenshot and check the bottom left corner. I started with
>2.02 GB free and ended with 1.11
>
>Personally, I do not think that ImageMagick will scale that down. I
>get error messages here, but the place to ask is the IM forum where
>they are very helpful.
>
>http://www.imagemagick.org/discourse-server/ users section.

Ah, I misspoke. Sorry.

I still can't open it in Nip2. What I meant to say was that the Nip2 UI works
now, but crashes as soon as I try to open the png.

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[Gimp-user] Can't open extremely large .PNG

[Deixis]

>Hate this mailing list format
>
>However scaling down a very large image can be done using an
>application nip2.
>
>see: http://www.vips.ecs.soton.ac.uk/index.php?title=VIPS
>
>I have not tried this in Windows, I use linux.
>Windows versions can be found at
>http://www.vips.ecs.soton.ac.uk/supported/current/win32/
>Despite the "/win32" the zips are named "_w64", so I assume 64 bit. no
>installer, unpacks to folders.
>
>For this demo (in linux) scaling a 1197 MB png to a 20 MB jpg.
>
>https://youtu.be/76Xn5BIrl2Y 4 minutes

I can't seem to spot nip2 in the directory structure. Vips itself also seems to
be a dos/command prompt application, I don't get an interface when running the
vips executable.

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[Gimp-user] Can't open extremely large .PNG

[rich2005]

>Does anyone know any tricks on how to resize extremely large images? I
>can't even open this computer generated .PNG. It's about 1 GB in size
>and I tried various tools so far to resize it. None of them can even
>open it. There must be some trick I can use?

Hate this mailing list format

However scaling down a very large image can be done using an application nip2.

see: http://www.vips.ecs.soton.ac.uk/index.php?title=VIPS

I have not tried this in Windows, I use linux.
Windows versions can be found at
http://www.vips.ecs.soton.ac.uk/supported/current/win32/
Despite the "/win32" the zips are named "_w64", so I assume 64 bit. no
installer, unpacks to folders.

For this demo (in linux) scaling a 1197 MB png to a 20 MB jpg.

https://youtu.be/76Xn5BIrl2Y 4 minutes

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[Gimp-user] Can't open extremely large .PNG

[Deixis]

>Trick=Bigger computer with 64-bit CPU/architecture, OS and
>applications :)
>
>Otherwise if you don't tell us the tools tested already people will 
>likely suggest those you have already tried.
>
>Me, I would try ImageMagicks' 'convert' utility.

I didn't keep track of them all. PNGCrush was the last and VLIV would probably
have worked if it had been a TIFF.

I'll try ImageMagicks.

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[Gimp-user] Can't open extremely large .PNG

[Deixis]

>I'm going to guess you are using a Linux system in this answer. Life
>is
>too short for me to try telepathy.
>
>
>If you run the file command on the image file in a terminal,
>file foo.png
>or
>identify foo.png
>do you get a size in pixels?
>
>I routinely open 10,000 x 20,000 pixel images in gimp.
>
>A good rule of thumb is the amount of memory you need will be
>width * height * 4 (assuming an 8-bit colour image)
>in bytes, e.g. for a 100,000 x 37,000 pixel image it's
>10 * 37000 * 4
>which gives 148 bytes
>dividing by 1024 * 1024 (megabytes) gets
>14114 megabytes
>and dividing that by 1024 gives
>13.7 gigabytes.
>
>So to open this (fictional) image you'd want probably 16G of RAM or
>more in your 64-bit computer. On a 32-bit computer you'd want at least
>20GBytes of swap.
>
>The size of the image file on disk just reflects how well or badly the
>PNG compression has worked, but if it's worked well, the image could
>easily need over 100G of memory, which you could do by adding a large
>amount of swap space and being very patient.
>
>Without more information about the image and your setup it's hard to
>guess and give more advice on which tools would be best.
>
>Liam

Oh my gosh I'm sorry, I forgot that Gimp is released on more than just Windows.
Yeah, I run in on Windows 10. I do have exactly 16 GB of ram, but only about 40
GB of free disc space left.

Is there perhaps just a way to cut the image into muliple images?

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[Gimp-user] Can't open extremely large .PNG

[Deixis]

>Hate this mailing list format
>
>However scaling down a very large image can be done using an
>application nip2.
>
>see: http://www.vips.ecs.soton.ac.uk/index.php?title=VIPS
>
>I have not tried this in Windows, I use linux.
>Windows versions can be found at
>http://www.vips.ecs.soton.ac.uk/supported/current/win32/
>Despite the "/win32" the zips are named "_w64", so I assume 64 bit. no
>installer, unpacks to folders.
>
>For this demo (in linux) scaling a 1197 MB png to a 20 MB jpg.
>
>https://youtu.be/76Xn5BIrl2Y 4 minutes

Thank you, I see you just made it too. Working my way though it.

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[Gimp-user] Can't open extremely large .PNG

[Deixis]

>
>Me, I would try ImageMagicks' 'convert' utility.

I couldn't figure out how to get into its command line from Windows 10. It
launches a little window called IMDisplay, but there are no buttons anywhere to
get into the command line. If I just open the image, IMDisplay errors out.

I'm an absolute newbie on this, I'm sorry. The documentation on the site all
appears to assume I already know how to get into the command line. It's not the
windows command line either, because it doesn't seem to recognize the convert
command I need.

I'm really lost. Even the beginner tutorials assume much more competence about
this than I can bring to the table. Can you please explain to me how to get into
the console?

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Re: [Gimp-user] Comatose GimpForums.com is replaced by young new gimp-forum.net

[achbarrr]

I want to join you if there something to do with the gimp 





On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 6:19 PM +0900, "Ofnuts"  wrote:










The more active folks behind GimpForums.com (ofnuts, paynejk, and 
rich2005), being tired of the sorry state of affairs due to the inaction 
of the Only Guy With Passwords, have founded www.gimp-forum.net. New 
store, but same personnel. You're all welcome.

http;//www.gimp-forum.net

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[Gimp-user] Comatose GimpForums.com is replaced by young new gimp-forum.net

[Ofnuts]

The more active folks behind GimpForums.com (ofnuts, paynejk, and 
rich2005), being tired of the sorry state of affairs due to the inaction 
of the Only Guy With Passwords, have founded www.gimp-forum.net. New 
store, but same personnel. You're all welcome.


http;//www.gimp-forum.net

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Re: [Gimp-user] Custom Script UI

[Ofnuts]

On 13/10/16 00:14, FierySwordswoman wrote:

I've been learning Python as a hobby for a while and can now write my own user
interfaces in TkInter or the 3rd party Kivy.

I'm trying to launch my own UI that can run Procedural Database plugins and
whatnot, but I can't figure out how to create a GIMP python plugin without using
the "Register(...)" command and it's built-in widgets.
Any help on how to get started with this is appreciated.

 You have to use register(), but you can have an empty parameter list. 
Then your plugin is called directly without the Gimp-built dialog.


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