Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] GIMP-2.10 and GIMP2.99 are still sRGB-only image editors

On 2/4/21 11:27 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine via gimp-user-list wrote: On Fri, Feb 5, 2021 at 3:00 AM Elle Stone wrote: Participating in GIMP development used to be challenging and enjoyable. But over the last couple of years my interest in and patience with the slow pace of progress regarding

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP-2.10 and GIMP2.99 are still sRGB-only image editors

On 2/4/21 8:31 PM, Gloria Lassich via gimp-user-list wrote: Is GIMP no longer being actively improved on, then? Is it worth it to use GIMP at this point? In other words, are most of the developers no longer paying attention to feature requests users need/want? Sorry if I sound dramatic, that’s no

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP-2.10 and GIMP2.99 are still sRGB-only image editors

On 2/4/21 7:14 PM, Michael Schumacher via gimp-user-list wrote: On February 5, 2021 12:59:50 AM GMT+01:00, Elle Stone wrote: I was able to write code that fixed some of the bugs I reported for GIMP-2.99 color management. But once I reached the point where further coding requirements

[Gimp-user] GIMP-2.10 and GIMP2.99 are still sRGB-only image editors

h bit depth RGB (and LCH?) color palettes for painting (opened 2 years ago): https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/issues/1328 Similar searchs in https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gegl/ and https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/babl/ will turn up a few additional color management issue

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Version 2.8.16

On 9/5/20 10:27 AM, Elle Stone wrote: Hi Kenny, In case Alex's suggestion to activate the legacy theme doesn't actually fix enough of the differences between "new gimp" and "old gimp", another possibility might be to install VirtualBox in your newest version o

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Version 2.8.16

Hi Kenny, In case Alex's suggestion to activate the legacy theme doesn't actually fix enough of the differences between "new gimp" and "old gimp", another possibility might be to install VirtualBox in your newest version of Mint, and then install in a virtual machine the last version of Mint

Re: [Gimp-user] Downloading Images from Internet

On 06/26/2019 10:34 AM, scyr123 wrote: I use Windows 10. Recently updated to GIMP 2.10.12. I search for an image online, then use right mouse click to get to "Save Image As" option. When I select this option, the window pops up for me to name the file, but the only "Save As Type" option I get

Re: [Gimp-user] Disable image thunbnail from the title bar

/archives/gimp-gui-list/2017-December/thread.html reference image: https://ninedegreesbelow.com/files/possible-places-to-save-vertical-space-in-single-window-mode.png Best, Elle Stone ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp Plugins

On 06/09/2019 05:45 PM, Carusoswi wrote: So, I checkded all my GIMP menus and found nothing about Lens Fun, for example. Nothing about G’MIC, either, so I must be doing something wrong. Yesterday I downloaded the Linux GIMP g'mic plugin from this page: https://gmic.eu/download.shtml and put

Re: [Gimp-user] Can't browse directories in GIMP 2.10

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Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Curious about GIMP-2.10 bugs on Windows

On 05/11/2018 10:36 AM, Tom Williams wrote: On 05/11/2018 07:24 AM, Elle Stone wrote: I have no clue whether more people use GIMP on Windows than on Linux. But either way my questions remain: Are most of these "post release of 2.10" bug reports specific to GIMP on Windows? or do

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Curious about GIMP-2.10 bugs on Windows

On 05/11/2018 10:35 AM, Kevin Payne wrote: On 05/11/2018 09:06 AM, Elle Stone wrote: Are some/many/most of the problems being reported for GIMP-2.10 on Windows, only specific to Windows? Or are these bug reports by Windows users simply bugs that weren't detected by various people running

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Curious about GIMP-2.10 bugs on Windows

On 05/11/2018 09:06 AM, Elle Stone wrote: Are some/many/most of the problems being reported for GIMP-2.10 on Windows, only specific to Windows? Or are these bug reports by Windows users simply bugs that weren't detected by various people running GIMP-2.9/GIMP-2.10-rc/GIMP-2.10 on

[Gimp-user] Curious about GIMP-2.10 bugs on Windows

Before the release of GIMP-2.10, it seems to me that very few bug reports were filed for GIMP-2.9/2.10 that were specific to Windows. Are some/many/most of the problems being reported for GIMP-2.10 on Windows, only specific to Windows? Or are these bug reports by Windows users simply bugs tha

Re: [Gimp-user] Debugging Perf on Linux

On 03/28/2018 12:16 AM, Robert Bieber wrote: Thanks for that Elle, I followed up personally about the profiles. Going back to the list, one thing I should add is that currently for my workflow on the same machine I'm using Gimp 2.8 with the same sized images, same monitor profiles, and it works

Re: [Gimp-user] Debugging Perf on Linux

On 03/27/2018 09:35 PM, Robert Bieber wrote: How would I tell?  I just generated my monitor profiles with Ubuntu's color management control panel section: I'm still not as much of a power-user in that area as I'd like to be So is there any chance that your monitor profile at home is a LUT p

Re: [Gimp-user] Debugging Perf on Linux

On 03/27/2018 09:11 PM, Robert Bieber wrote: I assume this has to be a bug, since I'm running the same software and getting the exact opposite of the results I'd expect running it on different machines, but what can I do to diagnose it and get some data that might help resolve it?  The error co

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.10.0-RC1 released

On 03/26/2018 08:02 PM, Michael Natterer wrote: There is also a release announcement onwww.gimp.org with screenshots of new features: https://gimp.org/news/2018/03/26/gimp-2-10-rc1-released/ At least on my computer, above link leads to 404 page. This link works: https://www.gimp.org/news/20

Re: [Gimp-user] Any way to resize all the layers in an xcf file to fit the canvas?

Hmm, in GIMP-2.9, in Preferences, under "Dialog Defaults", there is an option to always resize all the layers to the canvas size. Well, that would solve the problem of resizing the layers to fit the canvas, at least if the canvas is larger than and includes all the content of all the layers. B

Re: [Gimp-user] Any way to resize all the layers in an xcf file to fit the canvas?

On 03/11/2018 12:06 PM, Carol Spears wrote: It is much much easier to resize the canvas to fit all of the layers. All the layers are different sizes, so I don't think this would work, would it? Unless you mean what Ofnuts described, resizing by a pixel, and then resizing again to return to the

[Gimp-user] Any way to resize all the layers in an xcf file to fit the canvas?

Hi All, Of course all the layers can be resized one by one to fit the canvas. But I've been doing a *lot* of rearranging/moving of different groups of layers, and clicking on each layer one by one to resize it is rather time-consuming and involves a lot of clicking. Right now that's 17 layers

Re: [Gimp-user] Image luminosity

On 03/10/2018 03:55 AM, Ofnuts wrote: On 03/07/18 15:10, WMusc wrote: Something like: Color>Desaturate (luminosity) and check the average or median in the Histogram dialog. Thanks for the tip. Do you know whether that approach provides the mean (median, etc.) luminosity value before or after d

Re: [Gimp-user] Photoshop FYI

On 12/10/2017 04:20 PM, Steve Kinney wrote: On 12/08/2017 11:00 AM, Amira_Cervantes wrote: Chromebook photoshop cloud soon. Photoshop in Chrome Ubuntu next year. Adobe Photoshop Is also Coming To Linux, Through Chromebooks ... sounds great! I'm sure its parents are very proud. Its paren

Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp channel mixer

On 10/30/2017 06:36 AM, rich404 wrote: Otherwise the two applications that Gimp recognises by default and will use, are Rawtherapee and Darktable. And PhotoFlow, and any other raw processor that chooses to provide a plug-in using the same sort of plug-in code that RawTherapee, darktable, and

Re: [Gimp-user] Compatibility with PS?

On 10/29/2017 06:06 PM, Jeffry Killen wrote: Will Gimp open ps files: yes (which versions and what aspects are retained?) I don't know which versions of PSD files GIMP can open. I do have some old CS2 PSD files that I recently spent some time opening with GIMP, after having not looked at the

Re: [Gimp-user] Is a high bit depth monitor worth getting? (was Re: emerge --emptytree : how to ?)

On 10/20/2017 12:30 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote: GIMP is moving towards higher colour depth. Would a high bit depth monitor be worth it? That would depend on your use case(s). Is GIMP the only program you would run that would benefit from a high bit depth monitor? Do you run other programs that woul

Re: [Gimp-user] Adding color to file

On 10/06/2017 12:39 AM, Guy Stalnaker wrote: I'd like to suggest an alternative method for coloring an image that has some great advantages. Use layers with masks! 5. Add new layer 1. Fill with a color you want for some part of your image 2. Give layer name (e.g., face, jac

Re: [Gimp-user] Liquid scaler

On 03/26/2017 06:27 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: Liquid Rescale is not part of the GIMP project, it's a plugin made by a third party. We don't have a new download for you, only what you can find at http://liquidrescale.wikidot.com. Liquid rescale plug-in is packaged along with GIMP 2.9 in a

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP 2.9.5 Erase

On 02/18/2017 01:26 PM, programmer_ceds wrote: One other piece of information - I have just found if the erased path crosses itself (without releasing the mouse button) the intersection stays erased - for example if a figure 8 is drawn in one operation the problem doesn't appear. I don't see the

Re: [Gimp-user] Weird forum and layout

On 02/12/2017 01:02 AM, Joel Rees wrote: On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 11:46 PM, Elle Stone wrote: [...] Does anyone have any possible explanations for why different people with a background using PhotoShop have such wildly diverse reactions to the GIMP and Krita User Interfaces? version of

Re: [Gimp-user] Weird forum and layout

On 02/11/2017 09:05 AM, Pat David wrote: This is not a forum, it's a bridge to a traditional mailing list that can be found here: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list Or you can use the archives to see threaded conversations: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list P

Re: [Gimp-user] Weird forum and layout

On 02/11/2017 08:58 AM, Boxman wrote: Like GIMP itself, I don't understand why the developers would want to create something so different from what we are familiar with, and have invested huge amounts of time learning, so that to use GIMP we now have to relearn everything we thought we knew. I

Re: [Gimp-user] color profiles and gimp-image-convert-color-profile

On 01/21/2017 07:34 PM, Partha Bagchi wrote: On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine < alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com> wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 4:28 AM, Carol Spears wrote: I read something recently about a color profile from 1966. It made me chuckle and think about early

Re: [Gimp-user] color management -- basic question

On 01/12/2017 01:12 PM, Elle Stone wrote: On 01/11/2017 02:00 PM, Casey Connor wrote: Ok, thanks -- I was just confused because you said "LCMS soft proofing will report that all the colors are in gamut" but when I soft proofed to that profile it showed lots of colors that are ou

Re: [Gimp-user] color management -- basic question

On 01/12/2017 01:12 PM, Elle Stone wrote: No, my apologies, you are right, you will see out of gamut colors indicated in the test situation you describe. I was trying too hard to not cover a lot of cases in detail. To try to summarize the relevant details: No, drat, I still got some of the

Re: [Gimp-user] color management -- basic question

On 01/11/2017 02:00 PM, Casey Connor wrote: Ok, thanks -- I was just confused because you said "LCMS soft proofing will report that all the colors are in gamut" but when I soft proofed to that profile it showed lots of colors that are out of gamut... this link

Re: [Gimp-user] color management -- basic question

On 01/10/2017 05:44 PM, Casey Connor wrote: I had planned to use Argyll/displaycal, and make a matrix profile per your suggestions. I think I read on your site that a LUT version would also be handy also for using occasional perceptual rendering intent to get a feel for all the detail in an imag

Re: [Gimp-user] color management -- basic question

On 01/09/2017 04:41 PM, Casey Connor wrote: The only reason I was playing with the output profile and monitor profiles was mainly to test my understanding of it, not because I was developing a particular workflow. The "colorful image" I was using was one of the test images here: http://joco.n

Re: [Gimp-user] color management -- basic question

On 01/08/2017 07:47 PM, Partha Bagchi wrote: Try Elle Stone's color corrected experimental version. See if that helps. CCing her in case. Hi Casey, My apologies, I'm not sure exactly what you are describing below, so I've asked a couple of questions to try to figure out what procedures you a

Re: [Gimp-user] color management -- basic question

On 01/08/2017 09:13 PM, Casey Connor wrote: Thanks again, Partha! As a recent convert to LCH, Elle's version looks pretty amazing. I'm a little nervous to mess with my gimp install, as a non-sysadmin expert, but if Elle has the time to respond maybe she can let me know if there'd be value in tryi

Re: [Gimp-user] Most current version of GIMP

On 09/24/2016 07:24 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * FPC Music Ministry [09-24-16 05:55]: In order to ensure I have the latest version of GIMP, should I uninstall previous versions before downloading and installing the most recent version? I currently have 2.8.4 on my computers. Whether you ne

Re: [Gimp-user] Adding Hotspots

On 06/20/2016 04:18 PM, Pat David wrote: On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 1:28 PM Elle Stone mailto:ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com>> wrote: You can do "on hover text" without using javascript. Do an internet search on keywords such as: css image on hover text For ex

Re: [Gimp-user] Adding Hotspots

You can do "on hover text" without using javascript. Do an internet search on keywords such as: css image on hover text For example using css3: http://geekgirllife.com/place-text-over-images-on-hover-without-javascript/ There are also quite a few tutorials on the internet using css2. On 06/2

Re: [Gimp-user] Can't open nef images in gimp 2.9.3

On 12/21/2015 11:12 AM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Elle Stone wrote: Using default GIMP 2.9.3 updated a couple of days ago on Linux, and opening a CR2 file, the resulting image is the correct size, and only 8-bits Yes Elle, thats a bit different error, but still

Re: [Gimp-user] Can't open nef images in gimp 2.9.3

On 12/21/2015 09:18 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote: Hello One of the greatest things of the new gimp 2.9.3 is the handling of nef files (raw camera images), they even appear in the file format list, great! But in my windows 8 x64 bits wit

Re: [Gimp-user] Idea/Request: Fast start mode for GIMP

On 12/18/2015 02:40 PM, Simon Budig wrote: Actually querying is usually not happening (except on the first startup, then querying the plugins really is a drag). However, there have been reports, that under some circumstances all plugins get re-queried, AFAIK it is not clear what might cause this

Re: [Gimp-user] Idea/Request: Fast start mode for GIMP

On 12/18/2015 01:11 PM, Ross Martinek wrote: Bottom line, if you want it to handle like a sports car, don't load it like a dump truck. GIMP comes with a whole lot of default installed plug-ins. I've compiled GIMP from source with most of the plug-ins disabled (there aren't very many "installe

Re: [Gimp-user] Please help, small problem.

On 12/16/2015 09:16 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: Painting with mirror symmetry hasn't landed to any GIMP release yet. Hopefully it will make it to 2.10. In the meantime, Krita (https://krita.org/features/highlights/) provides for symmetric painting. Elle _

Re: [Gimp-user] Hiding tabs

On 12/16/2015 03:32 PM, Simon Budig wrote: But how would that work? When these tabs are not there - how would it be visible that there are other tabs beneath it, and how would you switch to one of the tabs beneath? My apologies if I don't understand the real topic of this thread. But I think i

Re: [Gimp-user] Save and automatically apply a series of editing steps

On 12/07/2015 11:43 AM, Kevin Payne wrote: Yes it is possible to automate a sequence of steps, BUT it's a programmatic solution - you have to write scripts in Scheme, Python or maybe Perl. At present (in 2.8.x) the support for scripts is firmly based around low bit-depth. I was asking if the

Re: [Gimp-user] Save and automatically apply a series of editing steps

I'd like to be able to open an image file in GIMP (GIMP 2.9, not sure if the version makes a difference) and have a series of editing steps performed automatically. If I were asking this question just for myself, I'd probably assume that figuring out "how to" is too much trouble. However, in

[Gimp-user] Save and automatically apply a series of editing steps

I'd like to be able to open an image file in GIMP (GIMP 2.9, not sure if the version makes a difference) and have a series of editing steps performed automatically. I found the following tutorial: https://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Automate_Editing_in_GIMP/ That's a long, complicated tutorial (p

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.9.2 released

On 11/29/2015 12:41 PM, C R wrote: I could not successfully get gegl to build from source. My apologies for not responding sooner. It sounds like you might have had an issue with establishing the prefix, either during installation or possibly when starting/running GIMP. If you decide to try

Re: [Gimp-user] Layer addition - bug, feature, or user misunderstanding?

On 10/13/2015 11:45 PM, Richard wrote: > Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Layer addition - bug, feature, or user misunderstanding? On an aside, I was able to build the testcase in that GTK bug report and those results were ... interesting, to say the least: created a black background layer, then two

Re: [Gimp-user] Layer addition - bug, feature, or user misunderstanding?

On 10/13/2015 10:55 AM, Elle Stone wrote: So does this seem like a bug in the Addition blend mode? Or is there something I'm not still not understanding about how Addition layer blend mode is supposed to work? Hmm, Krita produces the results I expected, that is, the three layers add up t

Re: [Gimp-user] Layer addition - bug, feature, or user misunderstanding?

On 10/13/2015 12:25 AM, Richard wrote: The problem is that a layer's opacity doesn't add -- it multiplies, like this: Result = (opacity) * (this layer) + (100%-opacity) * (result of layers below) This formula holds true regardless of the layer's assigned blending mode (and it's recursive, with

[Gimp-user] Layer addition - bug, feature, or user misunderstanding?

Using GIMP 2.9 updated yesterday, two different ways of adding layers produce different results. But it seems to me that the two ways should produce the same results. Here is a screenshot: http://ninedegreesbelow.com/bug-reports/gimp29/layer-addition/addition-results-vary.png, Are the different

Re: [Gimp-user] blur-gauss-selective gives segment fault when applied to the L-component of a LAB decomposition

On 10/04/2015 12:22 PM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, using the GIT version from Sept, 30th, I get a segment fault in the blur-gauss-selective filter. I first decompose the image into LAB and try to invoked this filter on the L-component. It crashes immediately before showing the options window.

Re: [Gimp-user] Luminance and luma for an sRGB image using GIMP 2.9

On 09/07/2015 01:52 PM, Elle Stone wrote: Here are two examples comparing luminance and luma conversions to black and white: http://ninedegreesbelow.com/photography/luminance-luma-color-to-black-white.html Here is why it matters how to get "luminance" vs "luma" for an sR

Re: [Gimp-user] Luminance and luma for an sRGB image using GIMP 2.9

On 09/07/2015 11:42 AM, Elle Stone wrote: On 09/07/2015 11:20 AM, Pat David wrote: Did you happen to have some visual examples that demonstrate the differences between the operations (luma vs luminance for instance) for a user to see why they might want one over the other? Here are two

Re: [Gimp-user] Luminance and luma for an sRGB image using GIMP 2.9

On 09/07/2015 11:20 AM, Pat David wrote: Did you happen to have some visual examples that demonstrate the differences between the operations (luma vs luminance for instance) for a user to see why they might want one over the other? I'm putting together some visual examples. I'll try to get a l

[Gimp-user] Luminance and luma for an sRGB image using GIMP 2.9

convert the image to a linear gamma sRGB profile from disk), either way checking the gamma hack will produce luma instead of luminance. Well, hopefully I didn't make any mistakes writing these instructions up. Best, Elle Stone -- http://ninedegreesbelow.com Color management and free/libre ph

[Gimp-user] sRGB was second worst performer against spectral reference

ause the results in the given tests context are self explanatory." The study suggests that sRGB is just about the worst possible color space you could use for image editing. Best regards, Elle Stone -- http://ninedegreesbelow.com Color management and free/libre photography _

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

On 11/18/2014 11:00 AM, Elle Stone wrote: Convincing the babl/GEGL/GIMP devs of anything regarding color management has never been easy. For example, in 2013 I tried to explain why there is a difference between device Y vs ICC profile D50-adapted Y: * https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

On 11/18/2014 03:05 AM, Michael Henning wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Gez wrote: P.s.: If you think this discussion is a waste of your time and my time, feel free to skip an answer. I don't think it's a waste of time at all, it's developer/user interaction regarding important aspects

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

On 11/17/2014 07:32 PM, Ed . wrote: Elle, If you don't understand the difference between a design detail, and an implementation detail, you need to either a) go away and get to understand that difference; or b) stop commenting. I am neutral as to which you choose. Ed Again, Ed, in this discus

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

On 11/17/2014 06:56 PM, Simon Budig wrote: Oh, I was under the assumption that AdobeRGB had well defined chromaticies. If that is not the case then please consider my example moot. I am well aware that dealing with color profiles most definitely is not my area of expertise. It absolutely does ha

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

On 11/17/2014 05:41 PM, Mikael Magnusson wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Elle Stone wrote: On 11/17/2014 10:46 AM, Simon Budig wrote: I don't think that this is decided yet, I actually consider it unlikely at the moment. I think it might be more likely to have it sitting in m

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

is is my fault. In an effort to clarify what I think he's saying, I seem to have just opened the door for more miscommunication. Elle Stone (ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com) wrote: Putting aside coding considerations that might affect other software that uses babl and GEGL, here's my u

Re: [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

On 11/16/2014 05:18 PM, Øyvind Kolås wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Elle Stone wrote: Do you understand that when I say that Multiply is a chromaticity-dependent editing operation, I don't just mean the Multiply layer blend mode? that in fact *all* editing operations tha

Re: [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

On 11/15/2014 08:20 PM, Øyvind Kolås wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 8:01 PM, Elle Stone wrote: This really is my last post on unbounded sRGB unless someone has a specific question to ask. Well, I think a question was asked. On 11/14/2014 11:47 AM, Øyvind Kolås wrote: I ask for an

Re: [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

On 11/14/2014 12:01 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: Øyvind, having a last say in every dispute typically makes one look like a jerk. I am a living proof of that. My apologies to Simon and Alex for continuing this discussion, and yes I guess I'll be "the jerk with the last word" unless Pippin w

Re: [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

should be enough to let you see what the problems with unbounded sRGB really are. If you follow the links in the article, again you don't really need to read the text, just look at the pictures and you will see that unbounded sRGB image editing is a really, really bad idea. Best regards,

Re: [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

On 11/14/2014 12:01 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: 14 нояб. 2014 г. 19:47 пользователь "Øyvind Kolås" написал: You are quoting later venting of frustration with your later walls of text on the mailinglists questioning and demanding answers for every single little detail before details even ex

Re: [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

On 11/14/2014 11:21 AM, Simon Budig wrote: Hi Pippin, Hi Elle. I know that i am not really a neutral party in this dispute, but I'll try anyways? WILL YOU TWO PLEASE STOP FIGHTING? Neither is Elle in the position to tell pippin what he is supposed to work on, nor is pippin right when he holds

Re: [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

On 11/14/2014 11:08 AM, Øyvind Kolås wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Elle Stone >> but you refuse to spend time where the developers normally clear up misunderstandings, reach consensus and make plans; on IRC. As you well know, I did try discussing unbounded sRGB with you on I

Re: [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

On 11/14/2014 09:04 AM, Øyvind Kolås wrote: I have spent hundreds of hours more on babl/GEGL this year than I intended, most of them on unproductive arguments on mailinglists, a medium I not well suited for clearing up misunderstandings I agree with you 100% that you shouldn't waste your time r

Re: [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

On 11/14/2014 04:56 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 6:03 AM, billn wrote: BABL has been on the drawing board since 2008? 6 years and still not a no go for a stable Gimp 2.10 release. Changing Gimp license may be faster than waiting another 3-5 years for a stable BABL so G

Re: [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

On 11/14/2014 02:15 AM, Øyvind Kolås wrote: On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Elle Stone wrote: if the other babl/GEGL/GIMP developers really are in agreement with Jon Nordby (the babl roadmap leaves room for differing interpretations), then there is no reason whatsoever for further discussion

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Test images and test suite (was Re: GIMP should fork babl and GEGL)

On 11/13/2014 09:51 AM, Jehan Pagès wrote: I take it as given that Pat, Jehan, and myself will do the actual work of assembling the images, yes? And all three of us will also contribute test images. We each have websites so we can put up pages with thumbnails of suggested test images for consider

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Test images and test suite (was Re: GIMP should fork babl and GEGL)

On 11/13/2014 10:02 AM, Simon Budig wrote: I do have access to a x-rite color checker which should be in a reasonably good condition (it is slightly older but has been stored in the dark). I could try to set up a colorful scene and shoot it in RAW with my Nikon D40. Would this be of any help?

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Test images and test suite (was Re: GIMP should fork babl and GEGL)

On 11/13/2014 09:23 AM, Jehan Pagès wrote: Otherwise I don't think we are in a hurry, and the set can also be gathered slowly with time and patience +1 ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://m

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Test images and test suite (was Re: GIMP should fork babl and GEGL)

tively involved in putting together a pack of test images? And then perhaps take this discussion off-list until we have something concrete to present for further input from GIMP users? Best regards, Elle Stone ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Test images and test suite (was Re: GIMP should fork babl and GEGL)

On 11/11/2014 07:32 PM, Chris Mohler wrote: The license wording is a little ambiguous, but I interpret it to mean that it's OK to use it for testing purposes, as long as you aren't selling or otherwise distributing the image itself. I'm not sure how that would relate to a project like GIMP, and

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Test images and test suite (was Re: GIMP should fork babl and GEGL)

On 11/11/2014 11:45 AM, Gary Aitken wrote: On 11/11/14 08:15, Elle Stone wrote: So the important question is: *What copyrighted or otherwise test images GIMP users might have downloaded from the internet and found useful, and *what kinds of test images GIMP users might have already put

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Test images and test suite (was Re: GIMP should fork babl and GEGL)

be helpful, actually essential, to have feedback from at least a few GIMP users as to what kinds of test images you've used in the past (preferably with links to example test images), for what specific testing purposes. Best regards, Elle

Re: [Gimp-user] Time to fork BABL and GEGL

On 11/09/2014 02:56 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: 09 нояб. 2014 г. 6:28 пользователь "billn" написал: Time to fork off BABL and GEGL. Forking was good for Openoffice. LIbreoffice is kicking tail. Developers who want to turn out a good product in a timely manner and other programmers who

Re: [Gimp-user] Blueprint Style Effects?

quot; method gives more useable results if you first use the Levels lower left (output) Value slider to pull all the channel values well above (0,0,0). This is because the Divide blend mode gives odd results when zero is divided by zero, going to black instead of to white. Best regards, Elle

Re: [Gimp-user] Blueprint Style Effects?

On 11/07/2014 03:34 PM, Garyfx wrote: You mean just exchanging colors? Well, I may have not been as articulate as I could have. I want to take JPG images of trailers and turn them into line schematics or outlines. I want just the line drawing or frame of the trailers like the images I attached

Re: [Gimp-user] Test images and test suite (was Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP should fork babl and GEGL)

On 11/07/2014 10:25 AM, Jehan Pagès wrote: >A good test suite of "copyleft" images would be a nice thing to have, >whether for testing new and existing editing algorithms, or for whatever >testing that individual GIMP users might want to do on their own >(printer-related, for example). That's a

[Gimp-user] Test images and test suite (was Re: [Gimp-developer] GIMP should fork babl and GEGL)

s "test suite". A good test suite of "copyleft" images would be a nice thing to have, whether for testing new and existing editing algorithms, or for whatever testing that individual GIMP users might want to do on their own (printer-related, for example). Best regards

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] GIMP should fork babl and GEGL

On 11/07/2014 04:25 AM, Simos Xenitellis wrote: Hi All, I am a recent subscriber to the list and I have read with interest the recent threads and I am trying to figure out the "what next?". Developer resources in any project are generally very limited, so it's important to get more people contri

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] GIMP should fork babl and GEGL

On 11/06/2014 12:35 PM, Gary Aitken wrote: Maybe I'm misunderstanding the discussion. Gimp asks when one opens an image what one wants as the working colorspace. But we're talking about operations *after* the image has been opened and the working colorspace has been established. Once I establi

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] GIMP should fork babl and GEGL

On 11/05/2014 09:40 AM, Jon Nordby wrote: On 5 November 2014 14:50, Elle Stone wrote: For the babl code that converts an sRGB image to grayscale for use as a layer mask, do you plan to add a new set of functions that convert from UserRGB to grayscale? That code would, of

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP should fork babl and GEGL

On 11/05/2014 07:34 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:27 PM, Elle Stone wrote: Another advantage to forking babl and GEGL for GIMP is that GIMP's fork of babl and GEGL could be GPLed, thus freeing the GIMP devs to add FFTW (Fourier transforms, http://www.fftw.org/

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] GIMP should fork babl and GEGL

On 11/05/2014 09:07 AM, Simon Budig wrote: Elle Stone (ellest...@ninedegreesbelow.com) wrote: Why would any sane developer want to write all the new code and have it exist side by side with equivalent hard-coded sRGB functions? Why would any sane developer want to fork an existing libary and

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] GIMP should fork babl and GEGL

B parameters sit side by side with equivalent functions that use UserRGB parameters? Or are you really getting rid of *all* the hard-coded sRGB parameters? In which case, what is the new purpose for the bablRGB formats that "will not change" their meanin

Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP should fork babl and GEGL

operation should be done on linear or perceptually uniform RGB. Best regards, Elle Stone ___ gimp-user-list mailing list List address:gimp-user-list@gnome.org List membership: https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list List archives: ht

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] GIMP should fork babl and GEGL

libre photographers really need is for GIMP to be everything it could be if ICC profile color management is properly implemented across the board for all editing operations. This whole unbounded sRGB thing is a dead-end street. Best regards, Elle Stone __

Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] GIMP should fork babl and GEGL

really does need a way to completely disable those TRC flips. A fundamental premise for writing an RGB image editor is that you never mess with the user's RGB data without their explicit permission. Just opening the image with GIMP is NOT explicit permission. Best regards, Elle Stone _

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