Re: [Gimp-user] Change the default Save extension
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:20 AM, maderios wrote: > Ask yourself why most users still sulking Gimp... Last time I checked you weren't selected by the majority of users to express their point of view. Impersonation is hardly a convincing approach. We've listened to your opinion and we respectfully disagree. The matter ends there. Your further attempts to disrupt the easy-going atmosphere in the community are likely to cause some administrative action. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Change the default Save extension
* Sam Gleske [04-25-13 15:01]: [...] > Being misinformed does *not* qualify as trolling. The way Owen came out > of the gate swinging is what I would consider trolling (stirring up a > fuss). I wasn't even involved in the discussion until now and I got pissed > when I read his comments. I think the list can do better than that. I > don't want our list to end up like the Linux kernel ML where if strict > rules aren't followed newcomers are harassed to no end. It's very counter > productive and a lot of times why I categorically leave communities. > You'll find it is much harder to expand your developer base if you act > immature like that. Have some patience. Immaturity you manifest by posting html for no *good* reason? Getting pissed? Grow up! -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.orgPhoto Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535@ http://linuxcounter.net ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Change the default Save extension
On 04/25/2013 08:59 PM, Sam Gleske wrote: Being misinformed does *not* qualify as trolling. The way Owen came out of the gate swinging is what I would consider trolling (stirring up a fuss). I wasn't even involved in the discussion until now and I got pissed when I read his comments. I think the list can do better than that. I don't want our list to end up like the Linux kernel ML where if strict rules aren't followed newcomers are harassed to no end. It's very counter productive and a lot of times why I categorically leave communities. You'll find it is much harder to expand your developer base if you act immature like that. Have some patience. Hi You can try to compare Gimp list with other lists like Digikam or E17. It's very different... Developers listen to users because they do not know all the needs of users and they want to improve the software. Furthermore, these developers try sometimes to explain their approach, which allows to build relationships. This is beneficial to advance the project. Ask yourself why most users still sulking Gimp... Greetings -- Maderios "Art is meant to disturb. Science reassures." "L'art est fait pour troubler. La science rassure" (Georges Braque) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Change the default Save extension
Owens answer basically says it all. Pats question might have been serious, but this topic was discussed over and over again. Let's leave it at that. Kind regards, Sven ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Change the default Save extension
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Sam Gleske wrote: >> Making deliberately incorrect statements like >> >> > There's no alternate GIMP fork which restores the normal behavior. >> >> qualifies as trolling. >> >> https://github.com/mskala/noxcf-gimp > > > Being misinformed does *not* qualify as trolling. https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2012-September/msg00087.html https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2012-November/msg00205.html As you can see the fork has been pointed out to maderios on a few occasions. Would you like to reconsider your opinion? > I think the list can do better than that. I don't want > our list to end up like the Linux kernel ML where if strict rules aren't > followed newcomers are harassed to no end. It's very counter productive and > a lot of times why I categorically leave communities. You'll find it is > much harder to expand your developer base if you act immature like that. > Have some patience. I've a bottomless supply of patience. Would you like some? :) Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Change the default Save extension
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine < alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 10:03 PM, maderios wrote: > > > I'm getting tired of seeing the word "troll" whenever someone criticizes > > Gimp > > Making deliberately incorrect statements like > > > There's no alternate GIMP fork which restores the normal behavior. > > qualifies as trolling. > > https://github.com/mskala/noxcf-gimp > Being misinformed does *not* qualify as trolling. The way Owen came out of the gate swinging is what I would consider trolling (stirring up a fuss). I wasn't even involved in the discussion until now and I got pissed when I read his comments. I think the list can do better than that. I don't want our list to end up like the Linux kernel ML where if strict rules aren't followed newcomers are harassed to no end. It's very counter productive and a lot of times why I categorically leave communities. You'll find it is much harder to expand your developer base if you act immature like that. Have some patience. SAM ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Change the default Save extension
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 10:03 PM, maderios wrote: > I'm getting tired of seeing the word "troll" whenever someone criticizes > Gimp Making deliberately incorrect statements like > There's no alternate GIMP fork which restores the normal behavior. qualifies as trolling. https://github.com/mskala/noxcf-gimp Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Change the default Save extension
On 4/25/2013 2:03 PM, maderios wrote: > On 04/23/2013 05:59 PM, Richard Gitschlag wrote: >> > From: pat.mysterywri...@gmail.com >> > Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 02:40:23 -0400 >> > To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org >> > Subject: [Gimp-user] Change the default Save extension >> > >> > Is there any way to change the format that's the default save. I >> don't >> > use .xcf and prefer to use png or jpg. Why do I have to export them >> > instead of simply save? Why did they change it in this version? It's >> > annoying. >> > >> > Pat Brown >> > >> > http://pabrown.com/ >> > It is perfectly okay to write garbage--as long as you edit >> brilliantly >> > - C. J. Cherryh >> > ___ >> > gimp-user-list mailing list >> > gimp-user-list@gnome.org >> > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list >> >> The reason is because a lot of other people use GIMP to work on >> complicated digital art which requires keeping a file containing >> multiple layers, and some of those people lost valuable project time and >> effort by saving to the wrong file format before quitting GIMP. (It's >> not the 'saving' part that was necessarily the problem, but the >> 'quitting' part). >> >> I agree the change may be difficult to get used to and it possibly was >> not implemented or handled as well as it could be, but the new behavior >> is also a standard design paradigm so for now your choices really do >> boil down to adjusting to the new behavior or moving on to something >> else (I hear there's an alternate GIMP fork which restores the old >> behavior). >> > Hi > Lot of people don't "use GIMP to work on complicated digital art". > Example : my wife is a teacher, and like most teachers, she just need > to resize, change tone, etc... .png or .jpeg pictures, never .xcf. > This behavior is annoying because many people think that gimp is > unusable and therefore install photoshop. This is not a good > advertisement for the free software. > There's no alternate GIMP fork which restores the normal behavior. > I'm getting tired of seeing the word "troll" whenever someone > criticizes Gimp > Greetings Criticize all you want but be aware that you will get one of two responses (a) all those people who agree with you and have been making the same criticism for quite a while, or (b) Sorry you feel that way but get used to it. The default save for photoshop is .psd You have to do a "save as" or "save for web" to get .png it took a while to get used to "export to" rather than "save as" but it is no extra work. If all you want to do is resize, do basic color changes, etc. There are so many ways to do this outside the gimp or photoshop that I won't even bother enumerating. So don't use gimp, don't use a pirated version of photoshop (if you've already paid hundreds of dollars for a piece of software, why even think of using the gimp?). Anyone who thinks that photoshop is easier to use is not likely to be influenced by the best of any advertising. -- === Life is not a problem to be solved, a question to be answered. Life is a mystery to be contemplated, wondered at, and savored. --- A. DeMello S.J. http://home.gwi.net/~mdmpsyd/index.htm <>___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Change the default Save extension
On 04/23/2013 05:59 PM, Richard Gitschlag wrote: > From: pat.mysterywri...@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 02:40:23 -0400 > To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org > Subject: [Gimp-user] Change the default Save extension > > Is there any way to change the format that's the default save. I don't > use .xcf and prefer to use png or jpg. Why do I have to export them > instead of simply save? Why did they change it in this version? It's > annoying. > > Pat Brown > > http://pabrown.com/ > It is perfectly okay to write garbage--as long as you edit brilliantly > - C. J. Cherryh > ___ > gimp-user-list mailing list > gimp-user-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list The reason is because a lot of other people use GIMP to work on complicated digital art which requires keeping a file containing multiple layers, and some of those people lost valuable project time and effort by saving to the wrong file format before quitting GIMP. (It's not the 'saving' part that was necessarily the problem, but the 'quitting' part). I agree the change may be difficult to get used to and it possibly was not implemented or handled as well as it could be, but the new behavior is also a standard design paradigm so for now your choices really do boil down to adjusting to the new behavior or moving on to something else (I hear there's an alternate GIMP fork which restores the old behavior). Hi Lot of people don't "use GIMP to work on complicated digital art". Example : my wife is a teacher, and like most teachers, she just need to resize, change tone, etc... .png or .jpeg pictures, never .xcf. This behavior is annoying because many people think that gimp is unusable and therefore install photoshop. This is not a good advertisement for the free software. There's no alternate GIMP fork which restores the normal behavior. I'm getting tired of seeing the word "troll" whenever someone criticizes Gimp Greetings -- Maderios "Art is meant to disturb. Science reassures." "L'art est fait pour troubler. La science rassure" (Georges Braque) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Change the default Save extension
> From: pat.mysterywri...@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 02:40:23 -0400 > To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org > Subject: [Gimp-user] Change the default Save extension > > Is there any way to change the format that's the default save. I don't > use .xcf and prefer to use png or jpg. Why do I have to export them > instead of simply save? Why did they change it in this version? It's > annoying. > > Pat Brown > > http://pabrown.com/ > It is perfectly okay to write garbage--as long as you edit brilliantly > - C. J. Cherryh > ___ > gimp-user-list mailing list > gimp-user-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list The reason is because a lot of other people use GIMP to work on complicated digital art which requires keeping a file containing multiple layers, and some of those people lost valuable project time and effort by saving to the wrong file format before quitting GIMP. (It's not the 'saving' part that was necessarily the problem, but the 'quitting' part). I agree the change may be difficult to get used to and it possibly was not implemented or handled as well as it could be, but the new behavior is also a standard design paradigm so for now your choices really do boil down to adjusting to the new behavior or moving on to something else (I hear there's an alternate GIMP fork which restores the old behavior). -- Stratadrake strata_ran...@hotmail.com Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Change the default Save extension
> Is there any way to change the format that's the default save. I don't > use .xcf and prefer to use png or jpg. Why do I have to export them > instead of simply save? Why did they change it in this version? It's > annoying. This matter has been thrashed to death several times over the last couple of years. When I saw your message I thought you were a troll wanting to kick the matter off again, but maybe you are sincere. 1. There will be no change to the "save" system. 2. Get used to it or move on. And maybe read the archives of the list for somewhere between one and two million other messages on this matter. -- Owen ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
