Re: [Gimp-user] not to knock gimp...I love it, BUT I have never has decent prints from it

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 03 April 2009, Gracia M. Littauer wrote:
>On Friday 03 April 2009 09:55:34 Helen wrote
>
>> Actually, you didn't say you use linux, so it was a reasonable
>> question.
>
>I did say I used Linux, in a rather convoluted way, I will admit.
>
>> I use
>> only linux, and get prints that are shown and sometimes are sold in
>> art galleries.
>
>BUT YOU PRINT FROM OO not gimp & have complained to me often about gimp
>printing.
>
>The question I asked or thought I asked was about printing from GIMP in
>linux. I only have a problem with gimp as do you and quite a few others
>as I noticed from the thread.
>
>I admit I have an old (but great) wide epson stylus 3000 printer and
>have found some help from Krawitz, the gutenprint head honcho, on
>upping the color density so my prints from OO (in linux) are OK, but
>not as great as from PhotoShop on my windows laptop.
>
>So my question still stands...do people find printing FROM gimp in Linux
>bad? & for those who think I'm a troll or haven't tested...I'm a rather
>attractive tall old broad & have used CUPS, gutenprint 5.

You left yourself wide open with that one.  I'm 74.  But gravity has pulled 
the 17" neck I used to have, down to someplace hidden behind my navel.  To 
call me a bit 'portly' would be kind.

As for the troll?  Nope.

I'll go you one better, though, I can prove it.  See


The pix is now 5 years old, but that's me & the better half, and there is more 
below the pix.

While using the gutenprint plugin for gimp, I have made color prints from 
weddings etc, on an elderly epson C82 4 color printer, on good mat paper that 
I have sold, several times.  Epsons inks are pricey but pretty accurate.

>Never occured to me to DL gimp to window machine & try printing. Seemed
>conter productive since I'd have to move photo from one machine to the
>other. I do almost all my work on Linux box...just keep windows laptop
>for the few things that haven't migrared to linux.

Heh, yeah, I have one of those too, dual boots xp and linux.  Mainly used when 
I'm on the road, putting out technical fires at some tv station.  Broadcast 
engineering has been my bread supplier for about 47 years now. The lappy is  
probably 14 months cold ATM.  And that is the only winders machine on the 
premises, 1 out of 6, the other 5 are running.  But one of those 5 is running 
nitros9, so I'll see how much you know about 'legacy' computers. :)

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Re: [Gimp-user] not to knock gimp...I love it, BUT I have never has decent prints from it

[Gracia M. Littauer]

On Friday 03 April 2009 09:55:34 Helen wrote

> Actually, you didn't say you use linux, so it was a reasonable
> question. 

I did say I used Linux, in a rather convoluted way, I will admit.

> I use 
> only linux, and get prints that are shown and sometimes are sold in
> art galleries.

BUT YOU PRINT FROM OO not gimp & have complained to me often about gimp 
printing.

The question I asked or thought I asked was about printing from GIMP in 
linux. I only have a problem with gimp as do you and quite a few others 
as I noticed from the thread.

I admit I have an old (but great) wide epson stylus 3000 printer and 
have found some help from Krawitz, the gutenprint head honcho, on 
upping the color density so my prints from OO (in linux) are OK, but 
not as great as from PhotoShop on my windows laptop. 

So my question still stands...do people find printing FROM gimp in Linux 
bad? & for those who think I'm a troll or haven't tested...I'm a rather 
attractive tall old broad & have used CUPS, gutenprint 5.

Never occured to me to DL gimp to window machine & try printing. Seemed 
conter productive since I'd have to move photo from one machine to the 
other. I do almost all my work on Linux box...just keep windows laptop 
for the few things that haven't migrared to linux.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/mynameistaken/
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 summarizes his line of reasoning in the famous phrase, 
'I think, therefore I am' (or in Latin, 'cogito ergo sum'). ...
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Re: [Gimp-user] not to knock gimp...I love it, BUT I have never has decent prints from it

[Helen]

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Gracia M. Littauer 
> wrote:
>
> > I am truely amazed when I get answers like this..I just said I use
> > photpshop on a windows laptop to get good prints from gimp & comemented
> > that I  never get any from gimp on my liux machine & of course I use
> > gutenprint, but even that good driver does't make decent gimp
> > prints...OO does a better job, but nothing beats PS in windows.
>

Actually, you didn't say you use linux, so it was a reasonable question.  I
use
only linux, and get prints that are shown and sometimes are sold in art
galleries.
Maybe the problem is in the Zen version of Linux.  It's an interesting
discussion
though -- this is a wonderfully helpful group.


> What you think is obvious, is not. Just a wrong assumption on your
> part. My understanding was that you didn't need Gutenprint in order to
> print.
>
> David
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Re: [Gimp-user] not to knock gimp...I love it, BUT I have never has decent prints from it

[norman]

> 
> In Linux, the newest version of Turbo Print is working very well, and is the
> only means I have found by which to make full use of my i960's features.  If
> you haven't tried the latest version of TP, you might want to download it for
> a 30-day spin.

I agree with you about TP, I have used it for a number of years.

> 
> I've tried developing in Linux using UFRaw.  For normal exposures, its fine. 
> For noisy ones, not so good.  There seems to be a newer version for Windows
> that does ok.  If I could get the latest versions of everything to all work in
> the same OS, I'd be in heaven.  Sony's software works in Windows only.
> 
> Gimp works fine in Windows, but can't print.  UFRAW handles noise in Windows,
> but not in Linux.

I find that odd but then I have not had to deal with noise in Linux.
> 
> Windows, Gimp, Sony software, PS to print seems to be my solution for now. 
> More integrated days will come, I'm sure.

Norman

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Re: [Gimp-user] not to knock gimp...I love it, BUT I have never has decent prints from it

[Alexander Rabtchevich]

Try using G'MIC (former GREYCStoration) of wavelet denoise filters for 
GIMP. Also UFRaw has built-in wavelet noise reduction. Hope it helps.
http://cimg.sourceforge.net/greycstoration/
http://registry.gimp.org/node/4235

With respect
Alexander Rabtchevich
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Re: [Gimp-user] not to knock gimp...I love it, BUT I have never has decent prints from it

[Jaime Seuma]

In order to get a version of UFRaw for Ubuntu more up-to-date than the
one in the repositories (for Hardy) I got the .deb in
http://www.getdeb.net/.
This way I can denoise pictures using UFRaw in ubuntu.

Hope it helps


Carusoswi wrote:
> To, perhaps, clarify earlier posts, I do run Gimp in both Ubuntu 8.10 and
> Windows XP.  My leaning towards XP these days is because the RAW converter
> software that came with my camera (Sony A700) seems to be better than anything
> else in converting RAW files faithfully from the camera, and allows me to use
> very high ISO with minimal noise (well, the converter does the best job at
> controlling noise that results from high ISO).  I could, I guess, do all my
> conversions from a session, switch into Linux, and use Gimp to edit/print from
> there - that's a bit of a hassle, though.
>
> In Linux, the newest version of Turbo Print is working very well, and is the
> only means I have found by which to make full use of my i960's features.  If
> you haven't tried the latest version of TP, you might want to download it for
> a 30-day spin.
>
> I don't run OO on my XP machine, and use it infrequently on the Linux side -
> just me.  Don't need it in Ubuntu to print photos, since I own Turbo Print for
> that.
>
> I've tried developing in Linux using UFRaw.  For normal exposures, its fine. 
> For noisy ones, not so good.  There seems to be a newer version for Windows
> that does ok.  If I could get the latest versions of everything to all work in
> the same OS, I'd be in heaven.  Sony's software works in Windows only.
>
> Gimp works fine in Windows, but can't print.  UFRAW handles noise in Windows,
> but not in Linux.
>
> Windows, Gimp, Sony software, PS to print seems to be my solution for now. 
> More integrated days will come, I'm sure.
>
> Caruso
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Re: [Gimp-user] not to knock gimp...I love it, BUT I have never has decent prints from it

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 01 April 2009, Marco Ciampa wrote:
>On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:39:17AM +0200, Carusoswi wrote:
>> >On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 06:46:59PM -0400, Gracia M. Littauer wrote:
>> >> I always do them in Photo shop on my windows laptop.
>> >>
>> >> Am I the only one with this problem?/ I have a bet going that I'm
>> >> not ;^). I say linux is weak in the printing area & it's about the only
>> >> good thing windows does.
>> >
>> >You haven't used Linux recently (or ever), did you? Modern Linux uses
>> > CUPS printing system (that stands for Common Unix Printing System) that
>> > is the very same system Apple OSX uses nowadays, but the Linux
>> >counterpart is even richer of drivers and supports...
>> >
>> >Never say one thing before having tested it thoroughly.
>>
>> I use Gimp in both Windows XP and Linux (Ubuntu 8.10).  Since I have yet
>> to find a cups driver for my Canon i960, I purchased TurboPrint, and,
>> thankfully, it allows full function of my printer under Ubuntu.
>
>So actually you state that Linux has better print support that anything else
>
>:-)

Which is nice I guess, but it sure points out that the OP has become used to 
the poor performance and limited options of gimp normal printing regime.  The 
last time I tried turboprint, admittedly 3 or 4 years ago, its color 
performance left much to be desired, an artifact of it soaking the paper clear 
through probably.  The kindest I could be to turboprint would be to call it 
fugly.

Gimp-print was an improvement, but not until gutenprint was up to 5.02 could I 
make a print on good color paper that I could actually feel comfortable 
selling to the public. And I have done exactly so several times since then.

If the right gutenprint plugin is installed, you will have 2 print options in 
the menu, "print" and "print with gutenprint".

Using Epson printers also helps although I do not know if the equ of my old 4 
color C82 can be had today.  I also have a 6 color C88, but it tears up paper 
with poor handling and has from out of the box. At about 1 out of two pages 
printed.  And that one good page, fed back to do double sided, is so badly 
damaged it can't make a 2nd pass.  This C82 has wrinkled 2 or 3 sheets max, in 
close to 80 reams of good quality paper I've fed it. To me that is phenomenal 
all by itself.

>> In XP, however, Gimp will
>> not print photos forme, refusing to retain the page layout instructions I
>> specify (4.6 results in a 4 x 6 image on letter sized paper).
>
>probably is really a stupid hint but please, be kind: have you tried to
>insert  the image to print into an OpenOffice page? I found it the easiest
>way to handle the print page layout...

I have done that too because of the ability to resize that OOo gives us comes 
in very handy.  And its color reproduction is equally flawless.

All this on linux of course. :)

>bye


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Re: [Gimp-user] not to knock gimp...I love it, BUT I have never has decent prints from it

[Marco Ciampa]

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:39:17AM +0200, Carusoswi wrote:
> >On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 06:46:59PM -0400, Gracia M. Littauer wrote:
> >> I always do them in Photoshop on my windows laptop. 
> >> 
> >> Am I the only one with this problem?/ I have a bet going that I'm 
> >> not ;^). I say linux is weak in the printing area & it's about the only 
> >> good thing windows does.
> >You haven't used Linux recently (or ever), did you? Modern Linux uses CUPS
> >printing sistem (that stands for Common Unix Printing System) that is the 
> >very same system Apple OSX uses nowadays, but the Linux
> >counterpart is even richer of drivers and supports...
> >
> >Never say one thing before having tested it thoroughly.
> >
> >
> I use Gimp in both Windows XP and Linux (Ubuntu 8.10).  Since I have yet to
> find a cups driver for my Canon i960, I purchased TurboPrint, and, thankfully,
> it allows full function of my printer under Ubuntu.
So actually you state that Linux has better print support that anything else
:-)

> In XP, however, Gimp will
> not print photos forme, refusing to retain the page layout instructions I
> specify (4.6 results in a 4 x 6 image on letter sized paper).
probably is really a stupid hint but please, be kind: have you tried to
insert  the image to print into an OpenOffice page? I found it the easiest
way to handle the print page layout... 

bye 

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Re: [Gimp-user] not to knock gimp...I love it, BUT I have never has decent prints from it

[Marco Ciampa]

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 06:46:59PM -0400, Gracia M. Littauer wrote:
> I always do them in Photoshop on my windows laptop. 
> 
> Am I the only one with this problem?/ I have a bet going that I'm 
> not ;^). I say linux is weak in the printing area & it's about the only 
> good thing windows does.
You haven't used Linux recently (or ever), did you? Modern Linux uses CUPS
printing sistem (that stands for Common Unix Printing System) that is the 
very same system Apple OSX uses nowadays, but the Linux
counterpart is even richer of drivers and supports...

Never say one thing before having tested it thoroughly.

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Re: [Gimp-user] not to knock gimp...I love it, BUT I have never has decent prints from it

[David Gowers]

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Gracia M. Littauer  wrote:
> Yo David Gowers
>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Gracia M. Littauer
>  wrote:
>> > I always do them in Photoshop on my windows laptop.
>> >
>> > Am I the only one with this problem?/ I have a bet going that I'm
>> > not ;^). I say linux is weak in the printing area & it's about the
>> > only good thing windows does.
>>
>> Can't you print from GIMP in windows at all?
>>
>> Also, have you tried the GutenPrint plugin?
>>
>> David
>
> I am truely amazed when I get answers like this..I just said I use
> photpshop on a windows laptop to get good prints from gimp & comemented
> that I  never get any from gimp on my liux machine & of course I use
> gutenprint, but even that good driver does't make decent gimp
> prints...OO does a better job, but nothing beats PS in windows.

What you think is obvious, is not. Just a wrong assumption on your
part. My understanding was that you didn't need Gutenprint in order to
print.

David
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Re: [Gimp-user] not to knock gimp...I love it, BUT I have never has decent prints from it

[Olivier Lecarme]

Gracia M. Littauer  wrote:

> I always do them in Photoshop on my windows laptop. 
> 
> Am I the only one with this problem?/ I have a bet going that I'm 
> not ;^). I say linux is weak in the printing area & it's about the only 
> good thing windows does.

Could you be more specific about what is wrong for you?

Are you telling us about Windows or GNU/Linux? On that last platform,
are you aware of Gutenprint?

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Re: [Gimp-user] not to knock gimp...I love it, BUT I have never has decent prints from it

[David Gowers]

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Gracia M. Littauer  wrote:
> I always do them in Photoshop on my windows laptop.
>
> Am I the only one with this problem?/ I have a bet going that I'm
> not ;^). I say linux is weak in the printing area & it's about the only
> good thing windows does.

Can't you print from GIMP in windows at all?

Also, have you tried the GutenPrint plugin?

David
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