Re: Enough Already. Re: get terrence brannon OFF these lists
Oh sweet god how I agree. I haven't read anything usefull on this list for a while now except for peoples differering views on ediquette (sp?). HAPPY TURKEY DAY -Riyad Steve Rogers wrote: > Did anyone stop to consider some of are subscribed to multiple lists, often > generating hundreds of messages per day of nonsense and garbage? > > it is very annoying top have to wade through tons of garbage as it is, and > this thread rates up there with some of the worst crap I have seen anywhere. > I joined this list to get info and help with Gimp, and instead I delete > virtually every message on this list because it is cluttered with crap like > this thread. > > How about putting [OT] in the subject so we can at least killfile the > nonsense? > > I sent Amy a note personally to tell her I thought she was justified in her > post. There was nothing rude about it. It was a simple request. get over it > move along, nothing more to see here. > > Jesus you would think I subscribed to an Amiga mailing list with all this > mindless bickering. -- [ Riyad Kalla ] [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ CS - Major ] [ University of Arizona ]
Enough Already. Re: get terrence brannon OFF these lists
Did anyone stop to consider some of are subscribed to multiple lists, often generating hundreds of messages per day of nonsense and garbage? it is very annoying top have to wade through tons of garbage as it is, and this thread rates up there with some of the worst crap I have seen anywhere. I joined this list to get info and help with Gimp, and instead I delete virtually every message on this list because it is cluttered with crap like this thread. How about putting [OT] in the subject so we can at least killfile the nonsense? I sent Amy a note personally to tell her I thought she was justified in her post. There was nothing rude about it. It was a simple request. get over it move along, nothing more to see here. Jesus you would think I subscribed to an Amiga mailing list with all this mindless bickering.
Re: get terrence brannon OFF these lists
Steve Morris cleverly responded IN PUBLIC... | > Finally, she wasn't rude, brutal, vicious, | > inflammatory, vile, or nasty, so where's | > the beef? | |In the interest of flogging a dead horse I must disagree. You are |almost right. She was not brutal, vicious, vile or nasty. She was rude You have a right to your opinion. Feel free to show me how she was rude. Miffed, tired of seeing these messages, maybe. MAybe a *tiny* bit rude - and IMO quite understandable - and justified. But I still don't think she was. Now it's a long-standing tradition that it's rude to post control messages (such as unsubscribes) to a list. I trust that you sent a private word to the original perpetrator regarding this? |and judging by the number of people who reacted she was also |inflamatory. People don't tend to be inflamed by non inflamatory |posts. Now that's a downright hilarious statement. This is the *Internet*, where people get incensed about *anything* and *everything*. |The point is that this is a civil list. We are not generally inflicted |by people who go outside the bounds. There have not been an excessive |number of people who send inappropriate unsubsubscribe requests. In I disagree. We get far too many. |fact Amy's post was one of the least civil I have read on this list |and I think therein lies the key to the reaction. A civil list should |be able to handle the Terrence Brannon's of the world in a cival |manner. A civil list wouldn't have gotten bent out of shape at Amy's post. [And in fact, AFAIK, the list didn't - just a few people who, IMO, are trying to force political correctness on everyone else.] |When the occasional violator does show up the appropriate response |should be kept private. Not necessarily. Public reminders of the correct way to do things hopefully keep the goofup rate lower. Certainly there is plenty of empirical evidence for this. |Public flagellation is only appropriate for... Please quote the flagellating parts. I somehow missed them. |Any private battles Amy wishes to have with Terrence are her |business. She has a perfect right to be irritated, to make her own |judgement of whether Terrence's post was appropriate. It is only when |she inflicts these battles on the rest of us that she crosses the |line. And now you have done that which you accuse others of - attacked her in public. Where on earth do you come off accusing her of wishing to have battles with anyone? In fact, she apologized after she got email on the issue. Now *you* owe *her* an apology. |Uncivil behavior on the list is all of our business. This, at least, we agree on. |Final note: now that you have branded me (and others,) in public, as |equivalent to a 'silly J. Random on a "goober pea lovers" list' who is |not 'a rational being, a thoughtful being' I think we have an issue |that should be discussed by our seconds. Amy only annoyed the list; |you offer insult. Perhaps you have just insulted your reading comprehension skill; perhaps you were merely so incensed that you couldn't grasp my post. The only way that quote would apply to you is if you routinely ignore netiquette, disregard the feelings of others, don't bother to save or look for instructions, and always post unsubscribes directly to mailing lists. If that is, indeed, the case, then all I can say is you will have an interesting life. [Having lived over half my life in Georgia, and being married to a Georgia peach, I am fully allowed to make jokes about goober peas. If that ofends you, it's *your* personal problem, not mine.] [Repeat note about PC stuff from above.] |There is NOTHING more important to a civil society than civil |behavior. Giving insult is not civil behavior. You left off the corrolary - ``an armed society is a polite society.'' 8^P -Miles
Re: get terrence brannon OFF these lists
Stop blaming the flamer. I did not see the original post ask nicely or ask intelligently what to do. He demanded his name be removed at once, without indicating he'd even tried to solve it himself. The list maintainer needs to down this thread or it will be going on for weeks, but I am going to killfile this thread myself now, suggest others follow. Does the current list engine allow for list maintenance such as this? David M Dennis Seattle Wa USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Steve Morris wrote: > Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:21:23 -0500 (EST) > From: Steve Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: get terrence brannon OFF these lists > > > Miles O'Neal writes: > > > Finally, she wasn't rude, brutal, vicious, > > inflammatory, vile, or nasty, so where's > > the beef? > > In the interest of flogging a dead horse I must disagree. You are > almost right. She was not brutal, vicious, vile or nasty. She was rude > and judging by the number of people who reacted she was also > inflamatory. People don't tend to be inflamed by non inflamatory > posts. > > The point is that this is a civil list. We are not generally inflicted > by people who go outside the bounds. There have not been an excessive > number of people who send inappropriate unsubsubscribe requests. In > fact Amy's post was one of the least civil I have read on this list > and I think therein lies the key to the reaction. A civil list should > be able to handle the Terrence Brannon's of the world in a cival > manner. > > When the occasional violator does show up the appropriate response > should be kept private. Public flagellation is only appropriate for > flagrant abuse, particularly where an example to other potential > violators may be appropriate. It is humilating to the violator, who > posssibly deserves it, and annoying to the normal peacable lurker who > definitely does not. > > Any private battles Amy wishes to have with Terrence are her > business. She has a perfect right to be irritated, to make her own > judgement of whether Terrence's post was appropriate. It is only when > she inflicts these battles on the rest of us that she crosses the > line. > > Uncivil behavior on the list is all of our business. > > Final note: now that you have branded me (and others,) in public, as > equivalent to a 'silly J. Random on a "goober pea lovers" list' who is > not 'a rational being, a thoughtful being' I think we have an issue > that should be discussed by our seconds. Amy only annoyed the list; > you offer insult. > > There is NOTHING more important to a civil society than civil > behavior. Giving insult is not civil behavior. >
Re: get terrence brannon OFF these lists
Miles O'Neal writes: > Finally, she wasn't rude, brutal, vicious, > inflammatory, vile, or nasty, so where's > the beef? In the interest of flogging a dead horse I must disagree. You are almost right. She was not brutal, vicious, vile or nasty. She was rude and judging by the number of people who reacted she was also inflamatory. People don't tend to be inflamed by non inflamatory posts. The point is that this is a civil list. We are not generally inflicted by people who go outside the bounds. There have not been an excessive number of people who send inappropriate unsubsubscribe requests. In fact Amy's post was one of the least civil I have read on this list and I think therein lies the key to the reaction. A civil list should be able to handle the Terrence Brannon's of the world in a cival manner. When the occasional violator does show up the appropriate response should be kept private. Public flagellation is only appropriate for flagrant abuse, particularly where an example to other potential violators may be appropriate. It is humilating to the violator, who posssibly deserves it, and annoying to the normal peacable lurker who definitely does not. Any private battles Amy wishes to have with Terrence are her business. She has a perfect right to be irritated, to make her own judgement of whether Terrence's post was appropriate. It is only when she inflicts these battles on the rest of us that she crosses the line. Uncivil behavior on the list is all of our business. Final note: now that you have branded me (and others,) in public, as equivalent to a 'silly J. Random on a "goober pea lovers" list' who is not 'a rational being, a thoughtful being' I think we have an issue that should be discussed by our seconds. Amy only annoyed the list; you offer insult. There is NOTHING more important to a civil society than civil behavior. Giving insult is not civil behavior.
[OT] Re: get terrence brannon OFF these lists
On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Amy Abascal wrote: > To subscribe, it says to send mail to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > The logical assumption (and indeed the correct answer) for unsubscribe > would be: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > However, realistically, it would be nice if the list maintainer(s) would > echo the instructions to the footer of all the emails on this list. Nah, instructions on the list's website should suffice -- sticking instructions to each and every message on the lists are just unnecessary traffic when they would be useful to just 0.something % of the readers. Netiquette should be abided by everyone, including mailing list software. Nils -- Nils Philippsen / Vogelsangstrasse 115 / D-70197 Stuttgart / +49.711.6599405 [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offence. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra
Re: get terrence brannon OFF these lists
Amy Abascal said... | |Some of you are very upset that I was irritated with an individual who |sent multiple "Take me off this list" messages to the gimp-user list. They need to take a chill pill. When you join the list, you get directions on how to unsubscribe. A rational being, a thoughtful being, a being who belongs on a technical list, will save these instructions, and use them if needed. I'm with Amy. I expect such silliness from J. Random on the "goober pea lovers" list, but I expect more on a list like this. Finally, she wasn't rude, brutal, vicious, inflammatory, vile, or nasty, so where's the beef? -Miles
Re: get terrence brannon OFF these lists
All, Some of you are very upset that I was irritated with an individual who sent multiple "Take me off this list" messages to the gimp-user list. I am used to mailing lists where people sending perpetual "unsubscribe me" messages is looked at as rude and poor netiquette. Perhaps I've been on technical lists too long. I have received no end of flames (some very strange indeed) for my comments to this individual. I guess I'm the only one who sees the humor in people flaming someone for flaming. But, whatever. I appologize that this upset so many people. My actions were not based out of hostility but irritation and there is a big difference between the two. Again, I appologize that so many people have been so incensed by my comments. I regret that I have been their biggest source of stress for the day. Finally, if you really must reply to me about this, please reply in private. --Amy -- Amy L. Abascal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Design Chic, VA Linux Systems www.valinux.com Web Design Chic, Silicon Valley Linux Users Groupwww.svlug.com --
Re: get terrence brannon OFF these lists
To subscribe, it says to send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The logical assumption (and indeed the correct answer) for unsubscribe would be: [EMAIL PROTECTED] However, realistically, it would be nice if the list maintainer(s) would echo the instructions to the footer of all the emails on this list. Amy On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Steve Morris wrote: > > Amy, > > Before sending flames I suggest that you read the mail_list.html page > and see if you can find the instructions that you suggest are > there. It is obviously an oversight but unsubscribe/remove is not > actually covered leaving poor Terry up the creek without any recourse > but to ask the list and then be publicly attacked by you. > > I hope this oversight is resolved before I want out because I don't > relish the prospect. > > Steve > > Amy Abascal writes: > > > > Terrance Brannon should kindly read the instructions at > > http://www.gimp.org/mailing_list.html > > > > and take himself off the list and stop annoying everyone with these > > messages. > > > > Thank you. > > > > On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Terrence Brannon wrote: > --Ames -- Amy L. Abascal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Design Chic, VA Linux Systems www.valinux.com Web Design Chic, Silicon Valley Linux Users Groupwww.svlug.com --
Re: get terrence brannon OFF these lists
Amy, Before sending flames I suggest that you read the mail_list.html page and see if you can find the instructions that you suggest are there. It is obviously an oversight but unsubscribe/remove is not actually covered leaving poor Terry up the creek without any recourse but to ask the list and then be publicly attacked by you. I hope this oversight is resolved before I want out because I don't relish the prospect. Steve Amy Abascal writes: > > Terrance Brannon should kindly read the instructions at > http://www.gimp.org/mailing_list.html > > and take himself off the list and stop annoying everyone with these > messages. > > Thank you. > > On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Terrence Brannon wrote:
Re: get terrence brannon OFF these lists
Terrance Brannon should kindly read the instructions at http://www.gimp.org/mailing_list.html and take himself off the list and stop annoying everyone with these messages. Thank you. On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, Terrence Brannon wrote: > > -- > Terrence Brannon * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://LNC.USC.EDU/~brannon >(213) 740-3397 [Office] (213) 740-5687 [Fax] >USC, HNB, Los Angeles, CA 90089-2520 > --Ames -- Amy L. Abascal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Design Chic, VA Linux Systems www.valinux.com Web Design Chic, Silicon Valley Linux Users Groupwww.svlug.com --
