Re: [GO] Getting OT? GO Admin
On 13 Nov 2004 at 16:48, KAIT BESSING wrote: > Could we know who the group of admins are, please? I know you and > Helen A, but who are the others? > > Kait Ann Dowker, Pat Hanby, Gareth Dixon, Susan Dunnachie, Pat Bland, Sally Odgers, Katherine Considine. A fairly even distribution between hemispheres and time-zones which was totally accidental! -- Helen_A -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Getting OT? GO Admin
On 13 Nov 2004 at 10:23, Diane Purkiss wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, girlsown- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes > >No, its the last resort, Diane. For use very sparingly, and only when > > admin requests have been not taken seriously. > > I know how aggravating that must be, Helen, and of course I trust you. > But although I don't want to be the Nita Tomlinson of GO or act as if > I'm in That Term At St Faith's, but I really dislike this whole idea, > and still feel at liberty to say so. Of course everyone will be allowed to express their opinions exactly as before, Diane. > I would also argue strenuously for the permeability of the 'topic' we > discuss. At bottom, it's books, and talking about books can lead > almost anywhere - to cooking or religion or showjumping or very > personal histories - and all those thigns can eb relevant to books and > illuminating about them. I fear - and it may be irrational - that > this admin rule may lead to self-censorship; people may so dislike the > spank that they don't dare bring up politics or history or religion. These will still be allowed, nay, enjoyed by all. I cannot see the situation where this option will be used routinely - if it ever does, the list at large has my acceptance of them kicking me out of GO for ever. > And I for one love the way we can discuss hairwashing one week and > Bush the next, with an in-depth reading of Trease's politics > sandwiched between. > I think all I'm really saying is that I love GO as it is. And I don't > want it to change. > There. I've said my say. And that's what it's all about. I will say it again - Girlsown Is Not Going To Change Helen -- Helen_A -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Getting OT? GO Admin
Could we know who the group of admins are, please? I know you and Helen A, but who are the others? Kait -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.2.2 - Release Date: 2004-11-12 -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Getting OT? GO Admin
I agree wholeheartedly with you and Diane (whose name I think I've just misspelt. Sorry!) It would be a great pity if GO were to change into yet another "Let's keep to the topic, please" sort of list so Helen's suggestion is quite a good way of avoiding this. I'm sure our list Admin., who are very sane people, will keep such interventions to a minimum. There have been quite a lot of eruptions recently and this will hopefully help to cool things down at such times without preventing the free discussions which make GO such fun. Maybe I'm a bit sick but I even enjoy the eruptions! Janferie > I also love the permeability of GO. And I think it's very important > to be able to discuss politics and religion, as these are really central > to much of the literature that we discuss. It would be difficult to > discuss Pullman, C.S. Lewis, Antonia Forest, or most 19th-century > authors without some reference to politics or religion. > > I love the fact that GO is very international and varied and that one > can get the perspectives of people from a huge variety of countries, > age-groups, religions, and political viewpoints. I have learned a lot, > and adjusted some of my own assumptions. > > I would be very sad if this list became just another list that > required one to just post on very specific topics, and discouraged > all off-topic comment. > > In other words, I, too, would like GO to remain as it is. > > However, my interpretation of Helen's remark was not that certain > topics are banned and anyone who posts on them will be promptly > censored. It does seem that there are a few topics that arouse > very strong feelings in some people, and can lead them to > attempt to 'spank' and 'censor' people who post on these subjects. > This sort of thing is not always confined to politics or religion. > I think that for most people, being 'spanked' by other list members > is actually more intimidating than being 'spanked' by a moderator, > because it feels more personal. Having some possibilities for action > by a moderator in extreme cases, may actually reduce some people's > nervousness about posting. > > Ann > > -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
RE: [GO] Getting OT? GO Admin
As the person who made the proposal, then announced it, I need to say that it is intended as a last resort. This is not about the normal OT discussions, which have been a part of girlsown since day 3, I think. This is about a temporary sanction to be used when people ignore the list admin's request to stop a discussion. That happens very rarely as it is, and having the request ignored is even rarer. The Uber-Prefect and admin group is unchanged and there are no plans to change the way the group works - when it works. A person who is being moderated can still post to the list, but their posts will be checked to ensure they aren't continuing a discussion that should have stopped. They will be notified when a post is being held and again if a post is being rejected. So, yes, Diane, this is censorship. But it is not secret censorship. There is a group of admins, so a person who felt they were being unfairly censored would have a group of people who they could appeal to. Some of the moderated newsgroups on the net have set up unbelievably elaborate moderation systems, including appeals and oversight committees, and alternate non-moderated groups and websites where rejected posts can be viewed. I don't think girlsown needs this - for the most part it is a group which is remarkably free from conflict. Anita -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Getting OT? GO Admin
I was relieved when I heard there was to be a possiblility of moderating & I didn't see it as a way of stiffling OT discussions, but of stopping them when the request to stop had not been heeded. I was getting very unhappy about the debate which occassioned this ultimate sanction. Yes, I was deleting them, but even so it was clogging up my in-box & I was groaning 'Oh not again' before deleting. And there was the apparent insistence on getting in the last word even after others had heeded the request to stop. So I'm for this 'last resort' of nmoderation - and it was said that it was only for a week, I think, until the heat had died down & the list had moved to tother things, then the 'moderated' person would be free to opost unmoderated again. I enjoy many OT discussions, but I must admit, ont his one I was thoroughtly fed up witht eh US elections on TV, without having it on GO as well. We have had people leave the list (or threaten to) when Ot discussions have got out of hand, and this should alieviate that problem. So, 'Go for it' prefects, I say - but use discretions, and only as a last resort! Jane -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
Re: [GO] Getting OT? GO Admin
I also love the permeability of GO. And I think it's very important to be able to discuss politics and religion, as these are really central to much of the literature that we discuss. It would be difficult to discuss Pullman, C.S. Lewis, Antonia Forest, or most 19th-century authors without some reference to politics or religion. I love the fact that GO is very international and varied and that one can get the perspectives of people from a huge variety of countries, age-groups, religions, and political viewpoints. I have learned a lot, and adjusted some of my own assumptions. I would be very sad if this list became just another list that required one to just post on very specific topics, and discouraged all off-topic comment. In other words, I, too, would like GO to remain as it is. However, my interpretation of Helen's remark was not that certain topics are banned and anyone who posts on them will be promptly censored. It does seem that there are a few topics that arouse very strong feelings in some people, and can lead them to attempt to 'spank' and 'censor' people who post on these subjects. This sort of thing is not always confined to politics or religion. I think that for most people, being 'spanked' by other list members is actually more intimidating than being 'spanked' by a moderator, because it feels more personal. Having some possibilities for action by a moderator in extreme cases, may actually reduce some people's nervousness about posting. Ann In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Diane Purkiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, girlsown- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes > > > > I would also argue strenuously for the permeability of the 'topic' we > discuss. At bottom, it's books, and talking about books can lead almost > anywhere - to cooking or religion or showjumping or very personal > histories - and all those thigns can eb relevant to books and > illuminating about them. I fear - and it may be irrational - that this > admin rule may lead to self-censorship; people may so dislike the spank > that they don't dare bring up politics or history or religion. And I > for one love the way we can discuss hairwashing one week and Bush the > next, with an in-depth reading of Trease's politics sandwiched between. > > I think all I'm really saying is that I love GO as it is. And I don't > want it to change. > -- Girlsown mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] For self-administration and access to archives see http://home.it.net.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/girlsown For FAQs see http://www.club-web.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/girlsown/faq-0.htm
