Andrew,
Everybody understands that in real life one sometimes has to make concessions
when trying to reach an ideal. But it's quite another thing to elevate such
concessions to the status of a goal.
The story should be like this:
We are striving for immediate, full, unencumbered open access,
There have been a number of rather aggressive exchanges on this list recently
and some of them have contained the accusation that Stevan or one of the
other Green-first proponents are "against Gold" or "against Libre". I would
just like to shortly and clearly re-iterate my own position on this
**Cross-Posted**
The perplexed GOAL reader need not cringe. As promised, I shall not be
replying to Jan Velterop. Instead I shall try to put into context extra
re-use rights that some are making such a fuss about.
ON OVER-SELLING THE IMPORTANCE AND URGENCY OF CC-BY
or
FIRST THINGS FIRST
I think
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 9:58 PM, wrote:
> Good evening!
>
> Firstly,.
If I have upset Bernard Rentier and maligned his achievements it was not my
intention and I apologize. There is much to admire about what he and his
repo have done, but it has limitations and I have pointed some of them out.
As
It can be very good to convene a fresh set of minds to tackle the ways to get
to open access. However, the most important point is to avoid —and reverse —
the watering down of what open access is and why it is important. The simple
message that open access means that one can do anything one like
est to,all,
>
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> Bernard
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> Prof. Dr. Bernard Rentier
> Chairman, EOS
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> Le 13 juil. 2012 à 16:54, Alma Swan a écrit :
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> > Yes, EOS is on board.
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> > __________
; To: goal@eprints.org
> Sent: Friday, 13 July 2012, 15:19
> Subject: [GOAL] Re: Reaching for the Reachable
>
> Thank you, Stevan, for this useful summary.
>
> Now remains the question: how do we multiply mandates and how do we implement
> them?
>
> Peter has suggested a
Good evening!
I don't want to get involved too deeply in such a sterile discussion. It takes
us nowhere.
I have mandated deposit in my University's repository (ORBi) and since there is
no way I can force my colleagues to "obey", I have just made official a
procedure whereby the only publication
Yes, EOS is on board.
>
> From: Jean-Claude Guédon
>To: goal@eprints.org
>Sent: Friday, 13 July 2012, 15:19
>Subject: [GOAL] Re: Reaching for the Reachable
>
>
>Thank you, Stevan, for this useful summary.
>
>Now remains th
Thank you, Stevan, for this useful summary.
Now remains the question: how do we multiply mandates and how do we
implement them?
Peter has suggested a high-level meeting to create momentum. I support
the high-level meeting idea and provided some hypotheses about it that
are aimed at boosting the g
FOR THE PERPLEXED GOAL READER:
For the perplexed reader who is wondering what on earth all this to and fro
on GOAL is about:
1. Gratis Open Access (OA) means free online access to peer-reviewed
journal articles.
2. Libre OA means free online access to peer-reviewed journal articles +
certain re-
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Peter Murray-Rust wrote:
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> On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Jan Velterop wrote:
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>> Stevan may well be right that the repository of the U of Liege (ORBi)
>> contains 3,620 chemistry papers. But apart from posters, most deposits of
>> articles published in pe
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Jan Velterop wrote:
> Stevan may well be right that the repository of the U of Liege (ORBi)
> contains 3,620 chemistry papers. But apart from posters, most deposits of
> articles published in peer-reviewed journals, and even theses, are marked
> "restricted access
Stevan may well be right that the repository of the U of Liege (ORBi) contains
3,620 chemistry papers. But apart from posters, most deposits of articles
published in peer-reviewed journals, and even theses, are marked "restricted
access" and not accessible to me, and 'libre' access seems complet
There is already a group,
directed by Professor Rentier
and convened by Alma Swan:
EnablingOpenScholarship (EOS):
http://www.openscholarship.org
> Let us get back to basics instead of bickering among ourselves.
>
> How about trying to organize a high-level meeting of administrators and see
>
Let us get back to basics instead of bickering among ourselves.
How about trying to organize a high-level meeting of administrators and
see what agreement could be achieved to move forward as a group and not
through individual moves that keep on differing a little from each
other.
We need a group
On 2012-07-12, at 11:13 AM, Peter Murray-Rust wrote:
I am not against green OA - I am arguing that the OA community should unite and
take decisive action.
Comment: I agree and disagree. May I suggest that the OA community should work
in tandem with mutual respect rather than attempting to unite
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Peter Murray-Rust wrote:
*** The faculty ignore the mandates.
>
> This is the reality - Wellcome, who have the sanction of withholding
> grants and put huge efforts into promoting, still only get 55% compliance.
>
> You have spent > 10 years trying to get effectiv
I think we are going somewhere here.
Could we manage, with the help of some foundation, manage to bring
together a number of top university administrators from all over the
world (minimum 20) to hash out exactly what could be done in a
coordinated fashion?
Moving en masse to a mandate would creat
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Stevan Harnad wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Peter Murray-Rust
> wrote:
>
>> Fairy Tale:
>
>
>>- The top 20 vice-chancellors (provosts, heads of institutions) in
>>the world meet for 2 days
>>
>>
>>- They agree that they will mandate that
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