Dear Fausto,
I admire your interest for Latin. I know that you have studied it.
It is correct to say Ad maiora natus sum (I was born for greater
things!). This is used as a motto. If you want it in plural, it would be Ad
maiora nati sumus (we were born for greater things!). You may be
From: afra dias goanet@goanet.org
You have missed the whole point from my writing. I regret that
agnosticism will not allow you to see more than what you want...
Ivo da C.Souza
I think Fr Ivo has got it all wrong.
Any one who raises their opinion is a
From: domnic fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Here is something interesting I came across I thought I'd share with
Goanetters:
THE ATHEIST PROFESSOR
LET ME EXPLAIN the problem science has with Jesus Christ. The atheist
professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his
new
From: Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kevin,
Here is a nice email I
received from one such person...
Marlon
From: XXX XXX[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Marlon ,
Don't mess with Chriatianity , and least of all
Jesus who is God !!
Consider this a Warning as well as Friendly advice .
From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Christian Theology is a science
How about Islamic Theology, Hindu Theology,
Zoroastrian Theology, Greek Theology or Egyptian
Theology? Are they sciences too? Which one of them is
right?
*--In all religions there is a lot of good and valid. I am
From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--- Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote addressing Santosh
Helekar:
Your basic error is not to admit the limits of empirical Science, which
you are absolutizing.
George's comment: Does not religion absolutize? In rejecting the
'dictatorship
From: Milad Meah Meah [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fr Ivo has lost the point:
Not every one believes in your bible.
*--In fact, you are a loser, because the Bible is the most read book in
the world. There are translations in almost every language, even in tribal
languages. People are searching... There
From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Fr. Ivo,
As usual, you make many categorical assertions without
providing any reasons for making them...All of these statements
have been refuted or questioned by me or someone else.
*--Your statements are as good as mine, because you are
From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:16 AM
Dear Dr.Santosh,
The amounting to nothing simply refers to the fact that the total
energy of the universe is zero. That is to say that there is equal
amounts of positive and negative energy in the universe at
Dr.Santosh Helekar wrote:
According to the prevailing scientific hypothesis
there was no BEFORE before the Big Bang. Time itself
began with the Big Bang. Space, time, matter/energy
emerged at the moment of the Big Bang. This is
currently the most parsimonious explanation from the
available
From: Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:16 AM
Subject: [GoenchimXapotam] Re: Casimir Effect
Dear Dr.Santosh,
Sorry for the delay in replying, because I had no access to Internet
since June 5. I was confused by being bombarded by Goenchim
Dr.Santosh Helekar wrote:
Something can indeed come from nothing.
Modern Physics tells us how through the discovery of
the Casimir Effect, and has already demonstrated it
through several successful experiments in the last
decade. The Casimir Effect and Zero-point Energy or
the Energy of
Dr.Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
replied:
--- Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
*--I cannot accept it. There are psychological effects,
whether you call it sickness or not. More than
that, there are social effects.
Fr. Ivo, What are the psychological and social
Dr.Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
*--Absolutely wrong. Can something come from
nothing? No.
Fr. Ivo,
I am sorry. Rhetorical questions and mere assertions
like the ones above cannot convince anyone that you
are right. Present
Fr.Ivo wrote:
We cannot follow a reductionist approach.
Only empirical Science cannot provide an answer. The
answer should be holistic.
Why? What is a holistic answer in this specific case?
It is often said that Science is a value-free endeavour. But we should not
forget that values affect
--- jose colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It should then come as no surprise to anybody that John Paul II opposed the
Latin American Liberation Theologians who had joined hands with Marxist
Communists even to the point of supporting the violent overthrow of
governments.
George responded:
Jose Colaco wrote:
Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza responded:
*--First, even empirical science, to which he has committed himself, does not
offer us always objectivity, as Dr.Santosh himself admits.
Secondly, Truth is not exhausted by empirical science. Let us also listen to
Metaphysics, Theology
Fr. Ivo wrote:
The Universe is not eternal, it had a beginning.
Science alone cannot explain how it began. Space and
time came through the power of the Super-power, GOD.
The above statement is somewhat at odds with Fr. Ivos
earlier claim that he never said that Faith should
supplant Science
Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza wrote:
I only fear that his beliefs and opinions may not always be
shaped by objective facts and scientific evidence...
Jose Colaco asks:
Would you please advise us on what objective facts and scientific
evidence you think so?
*--First, even empirical science
Cornel wrote in reply to Dr.Santosh:
Thank you for such clarity in the post below. For some time, I have
wondered how it was possible for Fr. Ivo to get it so wrong on homosexuality.
But then, I feel that his requirement to follow the official teaching of the
Vatican comes in the way of
Gilbert wrote in reply to Dr.Santosh:
I did not know that you and Fr. Ivo and Nasci had defined parameters of
discussion... Sometimes I get the feeling that your agnostic belief (which is
perfectly acceptable to me) goes into anti-Religion, which may be going over-
board.
*--My
Dr.Santosh wrote:
That subject heading was given by Fr. Ivo. I merely
hit the reply button. I would prefer your
characterization of it. Alternatively, homosexual
orientation.
*--No, it is not given by Fr.Ivo. I just pursued one earlier post. I
never use this term in my posts.
Fr. Ivo
Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza wrote:
I only fear that his beliefs and opinions may not always be
shaped by objective facts and scientific evidence...
Jose Colaco asks:
Would you please advise us on what objective facts and scientific
evidence you think so?
*--First, even empirical science
Dr.Santosh Kelekar wrote:
I can accept homosexuality as normal because, as I
stated earlier, psychological and sociological
research has shown that it does not produce any
adverse personal, interpersonal or social effects.
*--First, does it not produce any adverse effects?
Dr.Santosh wrote:
I am amazed that he (Mario Goveia)was even able to catch the nuances and
the quirkiness that I have carefully assimilated in my casual-speak to reflect
the fact that my beliefs and opinions, as far as possible, are shaped by
nothing other than objective facts and
Dr.Santosh wrote:
These are legal and moral issues. These were not part of my argument with
Fr. Ivo and Nasci.
*--My contention is that homosexuality is not normal, not acceptable in the
society, morally wrong, though we need to show love and compassion for
the sick person...
But
--- Kevin Saldanha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Christian fundamentalist movement has been bolstered by the
current political climate to attempt to confuse school
children with a false impression that the 'Intelligent
Design' Theory (newspeak for Creationism) is a valid
alternative to the Fact of
Love does whatever is needed for the common good. Love with fear is imperfect.
Love genuinely and you will avoid hell in this life and afterwards...
Ivo da C.Souza
--- halur rasho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Every god fearing catholic
Why do we have to fear God? Is loving him (her?) not
Dear Anthony,
I know that you have concern for Goa and for Goans. Thank you for your
appreciation. We know each other. We have even spoken about publishing my
articles in Konkani. Unfortunately I did not continue to write on Dor
Mhoineachi Rotti.
I do enjoy, whenever I have the
Dr.Santosh has listed several topics being addressed by him in this Forum.
Some of them are as follows:
a) Prejudice based on religion, ideology, nationality.
b) Erroneous assertions whether based on religion or
not.
c) Irrational or anti-scientific propaganda.
d) Claims that faith should
Dear Dr.Santosh Helekar,
My answer has been that homosexuality is abnormal, whether you call it a
sickness or not. The moral issue is that homosexuality cannot be accepted as
normal behaviour, with all its consequences, but the homosexual deserves all
love and compassion. If a patient is
. A discussion at a higher level,
without hurting the feelings of anyone, is always constructive. May this Forum
unite all Goans scattered throughout the globe and help them to lead a fuller,
happier life!
Ivo da C.Souza
George wrote:
--*I would like to commend Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza for his
Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can time start without Superior Intelligence?
Certainly not.
Dr.Santosh Helekar answered:
What is the rationale for the above statement? How did
you arrive at this conclusion? Is it a self-evident
truth?
Objective scientific evidence
Dear Gabe,
*--There is no conflict between Theories of Evolution and the dogma of
Creation. The dogma of Creation is not scientific hypothesis, but a
theological statement. We have studied both. There is no problem for us
neither for Faith nor for Reason.
Abbe Georges Lemaitre (1894-1966),
Let us respect those who believe that there is no God, as well as those
who believe,
with Reason enriched by Faith, that God is our Creator and loving Father.
Fr Ivo,
A couple of questions:
1. Is God male, hence father?
2. Is God a white European male like most racist pictures depict
--We do not impose our views and our convictions on each other.
Religion is a very personal matter.
*Yet we can help one another also in regard to Religion.
--Just as all rivers lead to the sea, all religions lead to God. I
strongly believe this.
*Yes, yet we shall choose the
We have to respect the people of all religions and the values found in all
religious communities. Bigotry is to avoided. There cannot be war in the name
of religion. Religions preach love. Secularism means respectg for all
religions. We do not want secularism without God.
Ivo da C.Souza
--- Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Can time start without Superior Intelligence?
Certainly not.
What is the rationale for the above statement? How did
you arrive at this conclusion. Is it a self-evident
truth?
Objective scientific evidence indicates that the
emergence
--- Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is impossible to have objective evidence in this area.
Not true again. Hypotheses about the origins of the universe and of humankind
can certainly be supported by objective evidence. For instance, the 2.726
degree Kelvin cosmic microwave
Santosh Helekar wrote:
--It is well known that scientists are trying to find rational
explanations grounded in objective evidence.
True. But Science cannot prove that the Universe had a beginning with an
explosion (BIG BANG). Science also in this area has recourse to assumptions,
Fr.Ivo wrote:
What the scientists are trying to find is also opinion.
Dr.Santosh Helekar says:
The above statement is also false. It is well
known that scientists are
trying to find rational explanations grounded in
objective evidence.
The scientists are trying to find the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Christianity is a Religion of Love. It has inspired democracies in the
world. It has still a role to play in the struggle for human rights.
Ivo da C.Souza
Dear Fr. Ivo da C.Souza
As a Catholic priest it is expected you will make a statement like the above.
However,
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I am not in Goa now. Therefore, I cannot use Outlook Express over here. I
have once alluded to casteism and racism as sin. I do not mind that people
disagree with me, provided that they are open for discussion and creative. I
shall not turn my coats overnight. Let us receive light, and
Let us respect all our sisters and brothers, whether they are theists or
atheists. Let them continue their quest for the ultimate meaning of life.
cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It takes much courage, reflection and insight to
question received historical and cultural wisdom
inculcated soon
Gilbert,
I think this is an advice for yourself too!... What is important is to have a
heart prepared to respect the persons. Some precautions are to be taken, but
are your hints feasible? Let all of us ponder and find what is suitable for
us. We are adults...
Ivo da C.Souza
1.Confessional secret will be kept.
2.Priests are also human beings. But they are committing themselves to
celibacy with God's Grace. God only knows their hearts.
3.Physicians have also their professional secret and their commitment. They
will try to live it with fidelity, with God's Grace.
Vidyadhar Gadgil,
It is natural that everyone loves his/her own religion. We can love our
religion, but should not disparage other religions. Religion gives us the
ultimate meaning of life. There cannot be war in the name of religion.
Religion teaches us that we are all sisters and
Fr.Ivo wrote:
What the scientists are trying to find is also
opinion.
Dr.Santosh Helekar says:
The above statement is also false. It is well known that scientists are
trying to find rational explanations grounded in objective evidence.
Science is dealing with the mystery of Nature
We should thank God that in Goa we have pigs, for we enjoy their
sausages; we have priests, who show us the high ideals--in several places
people are longing for priests; we have crosses, that remind us of the death
and Resurrection of Jesus, who gives us courage to live.
Human being
I had not put homosexuality and alcoholism on the same platform. I said that
by comparing them, the person who has alcoholism in the family, takes care not
to become alcoholic. Alcoholism is a disease. Alcoholic Anonymous rely on the
Higher Power, on God. Subjectively, the homosexual does not
Our discussion so far has been regarding homosexuality, not about the norms
and policies of different dioceses in relation to the deviant priests. I leave
it to the competent authorities...
Ivo da C.Souza
Original Message ---
I am not too knowledgeable to discuss this issue from a
Dear Dr.Santosh,
From what I have stated, Marriage reveals the truth of the true human
nature, does not follow at all that all those who choose not to marry, beget
children and found a sound family, are sick. It is a human right to marry as
well as not to marry. A scientist may fall in love
Dear Kevin,
Whatever may be the topic being discussed, let us respect the opinions of
others. You may give your opinion, but do not mock at others, thus encroaching
upon human rights. Those who believe in God have the same rights as you have.
The theists are not fearful of God. God is love (1
Science is groping. It is a process. It tries to substantiate and verify
facts. But, as you agree, the task is not yet over. Let us help one another in
the process. Let us not wait for centuries to have an answer from Science. As
you stated, Science has not made a value judgement on this issue.
All are opinions. We are still groping. Science is also groping. One opinion
may be better than the other. Time will tell us. When we speak of
the simplistic opinions of the Church, how well rooted are our opinions?
Could you mention wrong opinions of the Church?
The Church does not give a
We do not find fault with the homosexuals (gay), but surely with
homosexuality. We have to help them. They will surely create a new environemnt
for our youth and will influence them. Doors will be opened to our children to
do what they like. Surely we do not want our children to behave in this
If homosexuality cannot be treated and healed, yet it has to be taken as such,
surely not as a normal condition. The homosexual has to be understood with
love and compassion, but not be considered as normal like all others. He needs
help, his case has to be investigated with care. There are
The facts only reveal our human frailty. We are sinners. We need God's
redemption. The bishops find it difficult to cope up with the problem. It is
also money racket. Paedophilia is a crime. We have to learn the measures that
are to be taken in order to put our own house in order.
God is
The fact that there are individuals with homosexual orientation does not prove
that homosexuality is acceptable and, even if for several reasons, they come
to priesthood,we cannot canonize homosexuality. They can be kind persons.
Some of them have been chosen for priesthood, for which they
marriages are not normal. This is the truth about Man. Science
cannot answer all the questions. God's Revelation comes to our rescue.
Ivo da C.Souza
Original Message ---
--- Fr. Ivo Da C. Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Homosexuality is against human nature. Human being is
complete
I do not deny the facts. I have affirmed that homosexuality is wrong. Yet the
priests have to be helped. The problem boils down to what I have said: Let us
do something for them...
Ivo da C.Souza
Original Message ---
Fr. Ivo da C. Souza,
Here in N. America, its estimated that 4
For a Christian there is only one commandment, given by Jesus, the
Christ: Love one another, as I have loved you, that is, I loved you from the
Cross, epitome of Love, you love with the same love which is being poured out
within your hearts. Only with this love could the Saints live a heroic
Homosexuality is against human nature. Human being is complete in male and
female. Biologically, psychologically, spiritually, emotionally we experience
this truth based on human nature itself, not on antiquated religious dogma.
Marriage reveals the truth of this tenet. Nobody can change the
The points that I have tried to answer briefly do not contain the ordination
of women. This is a point that you me want to discuss. It requires an
elaborate answer. John Paul II has given it already. Let us be patient. There
is no need for such a turmoil...
Ivo da C.Souza
Original
I am neither a cafeteria Catholic, nor a fundamentalist, and try to answer
the following questions, which came up in the Goanet, with the light that I
have received from my study and experience. But the answers will be brief.
When opportunity offers, I shall elaborate the points.
1. Do you see
Benedict XVI
We have received the good news of a new Pope. The Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger is
the leader of the Catholic Church. The whole world was waiting for a new
Peope, after having wept for the death of the irreplaceable John Paul II. God
has his designs. We accept God's Will. I hope that
John Paul II
The news of his death has resounded throughout the globe and has moved us to
tears. Though he was old and sick in the last phase of his Pontificate, John
Paul II was loved by all, including the youth. We thank God for the gift of
his life, of his multifaceted personality, and in a
I do endorse your struggle against casteism. Caste is there, to some extent,
ingrained in our society. It is difficult to eradicate it totally from our
minds and hearts. But I know that Christian message has been a leaven for
the traansformation of our society. Casteism, understood as lack of
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