[Goanet-news]GoanetReader -- Monserrate, in thy kingdom they come
## # Don't just read the news... discuss it. Learn more about Goa via Goanet# # Goanet is a 10-year-old network launched by Herman Carneiro in 1994. # # See all archives http://news.gmane.org/gmane.culture.region.india.goa/ # # To join, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask to join GoanetDigest. # ## MONSERRATE, IN THY KINGDOM THEY COME By Mario Cabral e SaThe Navhind Times, Oct 31, 2004 THE METAPHOR is indeed apt; political corruption is a cancer gnawing at the vitals of the country. Just as in the case of cancer, there is no cure. Nor is it an epidemic affecting only the poor nations. US, France, England, Canada, Australia too have it. To fight corruption we have devised (and kept devising schemes: the CVC (Central Vigilance Commission), the Lok Ayukta, PILs (public interest litigation) in the higher court, each of which is either vulnerable or rendered impotent. On their part, the oncologists have flirted with blockbuster drugs, but have since realised that tumours that look identical under the microscope are turning out to be very diverse when examined at the genetic and molecular levels, and require completely different treatments. So it is with political corruption. But here it is the supposed victim, the voter, who abets it. Election after election -- and the latest at Poinguinim was no exception -- clean candidates are proffered but the electorate seems to just spurn them. Atanasio (Babush) Monserrate, if hearing is believing, has surpassed in guile, money and muscle power all the dons Goa has known before. So, to Taleigao, his Kingdom, we went, on a Tuesday, the day anyone from his constituency with any problem -- physical, financial, legal or of any kind -- is welcome to his house. They spill over from the contiguous out-house; an improvised ante-chamber. A minion dispenses extra plastic chairs piled at corners, so that they don't tire standing up. But the stack of chairs are exhausted and there is barely standing space in the crowded pathways of his mansion, 'Casa Monserrate', and they shelter themselves as best as they can, under the shadow of trees and walls, holding parasols and shading their eyes with folded newspapers, even the documents they want to show as proof of their grievance. Do they have faith in their MLA? This would be a superfluous question. Eleven o'clock was my appointment, and at 11 sharp, a polite gentleman who happens to be the chairman of the Panaji Planning and Development Authority (Monserrate's main charge is Town Planning) escorts me to the parlour. Like everyone else, I take my shoes off and walk in socks. Out comes Babush, informally dressed, wearing clothes any male model would envy to display on the ramp, gracefully apologises for the two minute delay. Two other visitors, of status obviously, one of them Dr Britto, of the much written -- and spoken -- about casino Chances, and soon to operate (his confirmation) the Turkish ship Kappadocia anchored at the Mandovi (more on that later) are requested by the host, Please wait a few minutes (it turned out to be 45 minutes or so said my watch). If personal experience is to be my yardstick, Monserrate, no doubt, is a charmer. How did he wean away Isidore from the Congress? Actually, the proposal (to do an Isidore) had come to me from Luizinho. So I used the idea on Isidore, who is my friend. Are you that staunch a BJP supporter? I am not staunch. I don't subscribe to their ideologies. I am for development. I think Parrikar is doing a good job. Later, I can't say. I'm not saying Parrikar won't be there. First of all, people will decide if I'll be there or won't be there. If I feel (like supporting him then) fine. Indeed, I comment, in politics there are no permanent friends, nor permanent enemies. Only permanent interests. What are his interests? My permanent interest is my constituency. And Goa? I don't even peep out of the (Taleigao) border. Does he aspire to be the CM? No, not at all. I'm quite happy (with the position and the job satisfaction). So, he has no all-Goa ambitions, neither an all-Goa vision. For now, make no mistake. I had told Parrikar, I'll support you even if your government falls. I'll stay with you. I'll sit in the opposition. Perhaps I came into politics by mistake. But next election everything will be over. Then, what? He hadn't thought of it, yet. There is still time. He reminds one of the connoisseur savouring his vintage wine, enjoying one sip at a time. Money power, muscle power, how much of either or both did he use in Poinguinim? Now, they (the Congress) started voicing it. They started it because they are afraid of their High Command. Helping some one in need, that's different. I'm Isidore's friend. But (the charge) is totally false. Did you have any roots in Poinguinim? None. It was only moral support. But for
[Goanet-news]*Seminar* comes out with a special issue on Goa
## # Don't just read the news... discuss it. Learn more about Goa via Goanet# # Goanet is a 10-year-old network launched by Herman Carneiro in 1994. # # See all archives http://news.gmane.org/gmane.culture.region.india.goa/ # # To join, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask to join GoanetDigest. # ## Monthly magazine *Seminar* comes out with a special issue on *Goa*, this November. More details from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 543 Amche Goem a symposium on the many facets of a state THE PROBLEM Posed by Maria Aurora Couto, writer, Aldona Bardes, Goa DEMOCRACY AND FEDERALISM Vishvanath Pai Panandikar, Founder President, Centre for Policy Research, Delhi (1973-2000), Panjim, Goa A PERSONAL VIEW Katharina Poggendorf-Kakar, scholar of comparative religion and writer, Benaulim, Salcete, Goa AN OUTSIDER IN GOA Bal Mundkur, founder, Ulka Advertising, now retired in Reis Magos, Tiswadi, Goa THE JOURNEY OF GOAN FOOD Fatima da Silva Gracias, historian, author and President, Research Institute for Women, Panjim, Goa RURAL SELF-GOVERNMENT GOAN STYLE T.D. Halarnakar, writer, ex-President All India Konkani Parishad and ex-editor Konkani encyclopedia, Goa University, Pororim THE ECONOMY Alban Couto, retired from the Indian Administrative Service, Aldona Bardes, Goa REVIVING LITERATURE AND CULTURE Damodar Mauzo, writer and novelist; executive member of the Sahitya Academy, Margao and Xavier Cota, writer and translator; social activist, Goa GOAN ARCHITECTURE Jose Pereira, Professor Emeritus in Theology, Fordham University, New York, New York FOR A HUMANE TOURISM Roland Martins, social activist, DESC Resource Centre, Mapusa, Goa REMEMBERING ANTHONY GONSALVES Naresh Fernandes, editor, 'Time Out', Mumbai MOTHER TONGUE BLUES Madhavi Sardesai, Margao, Goa Peter D'Souza, on politics and the economy GOAN HOUSES Heta Pandit, Head, Heritage Action Group and writer, Porvorim Uday Bhembre, a book review article Margao P Phaldesai on folklore --- GOANET-READER WELCOMES contributions from its readers, by way of essays, reviews, features and think-pieces. We share quality Goa-related writing among the 7000-strong readership of the Goanet/Goanet-news network of mailing lists. If you appreciated the thoughts expressed above, please send in your feedback to the writer. Our writers write -- or share what they have written -- pro bono, and deserve hearing back from those who appreciate their work. GoanetReader is edited by Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Goanet, 1994-2004, building community for a decade. --- ## Goa's premier mailing list Goanet - http://www.goanet.org is 10 years old today
[Goanet-news]02 NOV 2004: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
## # Don't just read the news... discuss it. Learn more about Goa via Goanet# # Goanet is a 10-year-old network launched by Herman Carneiro in 1994. # # See all archives http://news.gmane.org/gmane.culture.region.india.goa/ # # To join, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask to join GoanetDigest. # ## GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS Nov 02, 2004 GOACOM VIDEO NEWS: Video Clip from Goa on the first Session of HERITAGE JAZZ YATRA organised by Armando Gonsalves of Trancemedia at Rebelo Mansion at Betalbatim on October 10, 2004, at http://www.goacom.com/news Clips_Heritage_Jazz Yatra_1: CHECK the latest issue of GoaNOW webzine at http://www.goacom.com/goanow WATER SCARCITY HITS MARGAO: A motley group of tourists gathered outside a restaurant at Comba in Margao on Monday afternoon. They were perusing a notice put on the shutter, which read as follows: hotel is closed due to lack of water. (H) PIPELINE AT QUEPEM IS REPAIRED: More than a dozen labourers, after a gruelling 38 hours, on Monday afternoon, finally completed work on the burst pipeline at Sirvoi in Quepem. (GT) SHOWERS CATCH PANJIMITES UNAWARES: The sudden thundershowers on Monday (November 1) evening caught people unawares, particularly in Panjim. The sudden heavy showers are the result of low pressure formed in the South-East Arabian Sea, according to KV Singh, the Director of Indian Meteorological Observatory. (H) VARIABLE FEE SCHEME FOR GRADUATION: The State government has approved a scheme that involves a variable fee for graduate-level education proportionate to the students' parental income. Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar told journalists, that the scheme would come into effect from the next academic year under which professional and other graduate-level colleges will charge fees higher than the current levels depending on the income slabs of the students' parents. (H) BURSARY SCHEME FOR STUDENTS: The State cabinet on Monday approved a bursary scheme for students of post-secondary training and educational courses run by the aided, the government and private institutions for implementation during the next academic year. (GT) HELPING NEEDY, POOR STUDENTS: Indian Students Education Aid Foundation, an NGO based at Rai, Siolim, has been doing a commendable job of helping the needy and poor students through its Technical Institutes and financial assistance to them to continue their higher studies. ISEAF, founded by a German national, Rudolf Schwartz, has sponsored some 570 students who have been studying courses such as Engineering, Pharmacy, BDS, Computer Education, Hotel Management, BEd, LLB, etc. Besides, 135 students completed their education last year with the financial assistance of ISEAF and have been employed in India and abroad, an ISEAF press release says. (GT) BASILICA FIRE PROBE RULES OUT SABOTAGE: The much awaited report on the cause of the fire incident that occurred in the Basilica of Bom Jesus annexe building recently was presented to the Director General of Police on November 1. Mr Amod Kant told The Navhind Times that the report ruled out any sabotage. (NT) IA IS OFFICIAL CARRIER: Indian Airlines has been designated the official carrier for the International Film Festival of India, scheduled to begin on 29 November. Indian Airlines will give registered delegates a discounted fair when traveling to and from Goa. (GT) BULLET TRAINS: As part of railways modernization, Railway Minister Lalu Prasad is expected to announce a policy envisaging introduction of bullet trains with a minimum speed of 250 kms per hour. To begin with, bullet trains would be introduced on the 500-km Mumbai-Ahmedabad corridor which will connect the two cities in less than two hours as against rive to six hours by the existing fastest train Shatabdi Express. (PTI report in Herald) THREAT TO DUMP GARBAGE AT BRITONA VP OFFICE: Residents of the Housing board colony and Abhinav Complex at Porvorim are irked over the Penha da Franca panchayat's decision to dump garbage near the Housing Board Colony. The agitating residents have now threatened to dump the same garbage in front of the panchayat office at Britona. (H) WOMAN CHOKES TO DEATH: A 25-year-old married woman, Annie Vales of Dicarpale, was choked to death after she allegedly swallowed a handkerchief on October 31.within one month of her marriage. (H) TWO MINORS RESCUED: Police rescued two minors - 13-year-old boy and a six-year-old girl - on Sunday from the city (Panjim) and handed them over to their parents in Mapusa. Yesu and Adama were picked up from the Panjim market where they were brought by an unknown person in an unknown car on the pretext of providing them food, police said. (H) SWEDE FALLS INTO BAGA RIVER, DIES: A 54-year-old Swedish national died after he fell into the Baga river on November 1. According to police reports, Jan Eveert Baath
[Goanet]Iffy Angle on IFFI
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Re: Frederick Noronha's on IFFI and Heritage Groups of Oct 31 It should be appreciated that the Mid-day piece attached with the Oct 31 posting deals solely with one IFFI project viz the old Goa Medical Complex in Campal that too from a heritage building perspective. This structure has reportedly been bifurcated into a brand new multiplex with four screens and an office type complex which retains some of the old elements. Presumably there is a bridge connecting the two. A recent report in the Herald observantly mentioned that on the inaugural run of the multiplex (perhaps in one of the four theatres) the State's bigwigs were seen with hard hats at the ready. So it was the electronics, electricals and acoustics that were probably on test. The civil construction was still in progress. There is no word so far about the status of Kala Academy across the street which is undergoing major modifications for IFFI.
[Goanet]Dabolim Airport Debate
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Re: Frederick Noronha's of Nov 1 on the subject I dont think operational use and ownership position are two distinct issues. In fact I consider the latter to be fundamental and a pre-requisite for the former. Unfortunately, little or no information has been forthcoming so far about the true ownership and title position as compared to the functional position on which, by contrast, a fairly clear picture is now available from pre-liberation days right up to date. In these circumstances, the somewhat convoluted point that any characterisation as an apparent 'dog in the manger' policy is likely to run up against the usual 'holy cow' factor is well taken. In closing let me say categorically that I dont claim to have any solution to the Dabolim problem. In fact I dont think there can be a solution in the mathematical sense at all. All can only work conscientiously and persistently towards a policy which effectively balances Indian military security interests with economic and social security interests of the people of Goa and the region.
[Goanet]Xavier Alumni Reunion
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## The annual Xavier Alumni Reunion will be held on December 12, 2004 at 9.30 a.m. on the Dr. Mariano Saldanha Lawns at St. Xavier's College, Mapusa. All the alumni of the college are requested to contact their batchmates and make it possible to attend the reunion in large numbers. Please contact the college office to register your participation at the reunion. Phone No. : 2262356 Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Goanet]Preserving America's liberty - of thought
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## We have recently witnessed a number of rather extreme view points from some individuals over the last few days. Having gone through an election in India recently, it would be interesting to compare the situation in India with that in America. In India most people are aware of the extremist groups such as the RSS, the Shiv Sena etc and their distinct intolerance for non-Hindu ideals, which they attempt to wrap/disguise in the form of nationalism and national security. In the Islamic world, Bin Laden and Co, who were brought up under the intolerant Wahabi tradition, have chosen to blame the failures of their nation states on the outsiders. Likewise, America too has witnessed the rise of a rather extreme group, representing the worst of an intolerant form of christianty that the world has not witnessed for a very long time. The common thread of all these groups is religious intolerance, which they disguise in a variety of manners. In the middle east, it is of course the Palestinian issue. In India, it was Hindutva, or the preservation of India's so called hindu culture. In America, the Bin Laden terrorist strikes and the resultant phony war on terror and campaign of fear have served as very convenient camoflage for their real agenda. While there are many similarities, there are vast differences as well. Unlike say the middle east, the extremist christian right wing does not command the majority of the current ruling class. Most people of the republican party would be ashamed to be associated with the ridiculous falsehoods that have been posted on this forum very recently. (conversely, most democrats would not fully accept many of the outlandish claims made by Moore in Farenheit 911). What is unfortunate however, is that the right wing christian extremists have steathly grabbed an exceedingly larger portion of the moderate republican agenda. What is the agenda of these extremists? Very clearly, it is supression of free and logical thought so that it conforms to their interpretation of the bible - America afterall, according to them was founded upon christian principles. The so called war on terror is billed as an effort to protect America's freedom, from the islamic facists. Who would argue with that? Unfortunately, what many do not realize is that there is a parallel culture war being waged within America itself - to control how people think. As a result, there is no allowance for tolerance withing their agenda. It is not a suprise therefore that America has not been more divided since the Vietnam war. A victory by George Bush could have two outcomes. If he is more successful in keeping the relgious right wing in check in his second term, he could follow in the successful footsteps of his Republican predecessors. If he fails, it could result in an explosion of the culture war in America. If Kerry wins, the right wing will be automatically neutralized. Given that two of Bush's most moderate cabinet members Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell plan to resign after the election, the direction of Bush's future direction does not look very promising.
[Goanet]02 NOV 2004: GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## GOACOM DAILY NEWS CLIPPINGS Nov 02, 2004 GOACOM VIDEO NEWS: Video Clip from Goa on the first Session of HERITAGE JAZZ YATRA organised by Armando Gonsalves of Trancemedia at Rebelo Mansion at Betalbatim on October 10, 2004, at http://www.goacom.com/news Clips_Heritage_Jazz Yatra_1: CHECK the latest issue of GoaNOW webzine at http://www.goacom.com/goanow WATER SCARCITY HITS MARGAO: A motley group of tourists gathered outside a restaurant at Comba in Margao on Monday afternoon. They were perusing a notice put on the shutter, which read as follows: hotel is closed due to lack of water. (H) PIPELINE AT QUEPEM IS REPAIRED: More than a dozen labourers, after a gruelling 38 hours, on Monday afternoon, finally completed work on the burst pipeline at Sirvoi in Quepem. (GT) SHOWERS CATCH PANJIMITES UNAWARES: The sudden thundershowers on Monday (November 1) evening caught people unawares, particularly in Panjim. The sudden heavy showers are the result of low pressure formed in the South-East Arabian Sea, according to KV Singh, the Director of Indian Meteorological Observatory. (H) VARIABLE FEE SCHEME FOR GRADUATION: The State government has approved a scheme that involves a variable fee for graduate-level education proportionate to the students' parental income. Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar told journalists, that the scheme would come into effect from the next academic year under which professional and other graduate-level colleges will charge fees higher than the current levels depending on the income slabs of the students' parents. (H) BURSARY SCHEME FOR STUDENTS: The State cabinet on Monday approved a bursary scheme for students of post-secondary training and educational courses run by the aided, the government and private institutions for implementation during the next academic year. (GT) HELPING NEEDY, POOR STUDENTS: Indian Students Education Aid Foundation, an NGO based at Rai, Siolim, has been doing a commendable job of helping the needy and poor students through its Technical Institutes and financial assistance to them to continue their higher studies. ISEAF, founded by a German national, Rudolf Schwartz, has sponsored some 570 students who have been studying courses such as Engineering, Pharmacy, BDS, Computer Education, Hotel Management, BEd, LLB, etc. Besides, 135 students completed their education last year with the financial assistance of ISEAF and have been employed in India and abroad, an ISEAF press release says. (GT) BASILICA FIRE PROBE RULES OUT SABOTAGE: The much awaited report on the cause of the fire incident that occurred in the Basilica of Bom Jesus annexe building recently was presented to the Director General of Police on November 1. Mr Amod Kant told The Navhind Times that the report ruled out any sabotage. (NT) IA IS OFFICIAL CARRIER: Indian Airlines has been designated the official carrier for the International Film Festival of India, scheduled to begin on 29 November. Indian Airlines will give registered delegates a discounted fair when traveling to and from Goa. (GT) BULLET TRAINS: As part of railways modernization, Railway Minister Lalu Prasad is expected to announce a policy envisaging introduction of bullet trains with a minimum speed of 250 kms per hour. To begin with, bullet trains would be introduced on the 500-km Mumbai-Ahmedabad corridor which will connect the two cities in less than two hours as against rive to six hours by the existing fastest train Shatabdi Express. (PTI report in Herald) THREAT TO DUMP GARBAGE AT BRITONA VP OFFICE: Residents of the Housing board colony and Abhinav Complex at Porvorim are irked over the Penha da Franca panchayat's decision to dump garbage near the Housing Board Colony. The agitating residents have now threatened to dump the same garbage in front of the panchayat office at Britona. (H) WOMAN CHOKES TO DEATH: A 25-year-old married woman, Annie Vales of Dicarpale, was choked to death after she allegedly swallowed a handkerchief on October 31.within one month of her marriage. (H) TWO MINORS RESCUED: Police rescued two minors - 13-year-old boy and a six-year-old girl - on Sunday from the city (Panjim) and handed them over to their parents in Mapusa. Yesu and Adama were picked up from the Panjim market where they were brought by an unknown person in an unknown car on the pretext of providing them food, police said. (H) SWEDE FALLS INTO BAGA RIVER, DIES: A 54-year-old Swedish national died after he fell into the Baga river on November 1. According to police reports, Jan Eveert Baath collapsed and fell in the Baga river. Lifeguards pulled him out of the
Re: [Goanet]Re: Vote Kerry, save the World- Bosco's comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about the George Bush who liberated 50 million Afghanis and Iraqis from tyrants, and gave Afghanistan the first democratically held (under UN supervision) election in their history? Reason enough? That sounds like a reason for Bush to be elected as the President of Iraq and Afghanistan, not the USA. -Tariq __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Re: A Must Read before you vote -- Attn: Ronald Albuquerque
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forget all the rhetoric and focus on some bottom line issues regarding next Tuesday: 1. If you are an NRI, think about John Kerry's allegiance to the labor unions and what he has promised to do to eliminate outsourcing, and what this will mean for India. If you agree that outsourcing is bad, vote for John Kerry As an NRI who migrated to the USA for purely economic reasons, why should I vote for a President who will outsource my job to India? or China or Romania? 2. John Kerry has a history of providing aid and comfort to our enemies a) His over-the-top activities after the Vietnam War earned him an honored place in the Ho Chi Minh War Museum. It is a tribute to this country that he was not prosecuted for treason for meeting with enemy agents in Paris and Hanoi Please list the part of the US criminal code where this is listed as a crime. b) His vote against the ejection of Iraq from Kuwait, an action that met even Syria's global test, but not John Kerry's. Ask yourself, If not then, then when? Its not like his vote stopped the first Gulf War. So what are you crying about? c) His drumbeat against this Iraq action, including the most blatant falsehoods aimed at our fighting forces that are having to be corrected by Tommy Franks and others who were actually involved. That is why I will vote for him. Thanks for reminding me -Tariq __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]John Kerry's new global coalition
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finally, we have proof of what I have been saying for months now. The liberal Democrats, Islamo fascists and anti-Israel neo-Nazis are all now part of the same coalition - against President Bush. I wonder why? MONSTER'S DEADLY WARNING TO 'RED' STATES By NILES LATHEM The above post and the appended article constitute vicious and malicious propaganda. Please do not be scared into voting for Bush or Kerry based on such mindless acts of desperation. Please disregard this and other such posts (and private emails) by desperate partisan hacks on either side. Please reject their garbage or return it to them, as I have done to several abusive personal emails from this Mario Goveia. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet]Re: Vote Kerry, save the World- Bosco's comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## I'm afraid it's no comprende for George. --- Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By George, you are missing the point! You asked I am not sure which George Bush his supporters are rooting for and my response was ...the George Bush who liberated 50 million Afghanis and Iraqis from tyrants, and gave Afghanistan the first democratically held (under UN supervision) election in their history! My answer obviously did not satisfy you because you went off on a tangent. I can understand that as a liberal you cannot accept the notion that there are some of us who not believe in entitlement programs (welfare). Over $6 trillion has been spent since the initiation of the Great Society program to eradicate poverty began under Lyndon Johnson and there is little to show for it. That entitlement hand reaches out for yet more--it is endless supplication. Whatever happened to good oldfashioned work ethic such as Goans used to live by in the old days? Besides, if we do not destroy terrorism across the ocean, the economic consequences we faced on 9/11 would look like chump change if there should be another significant attack on the U.S. Comprende, George? - Original Message - From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 3:37 PM Subject: [Goanet]Re: Vote Kerry, save the World- Bosco's comment ## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Chris Vaz wrote... How about the George Bush who liberated 50 million Afghanis and Iraqis from tyrants This is a post-hoc justification for the illegal war, a war which has cost the United States about $142 billion and counting. There were no WMD's, the original reason given for the war. Now George Bush is on reason #11 (freedom and democracy) as he shifts his reasons and justifications for the war often (it is difficult to keep up with his shifting positions on most major issues). According to the National Priorities Project, instead of the $142 billion spent on the war, we could have: 1. Paid for 18,936,876 children to attend a year of Head Start 2. Have hired 2,477,747 additional public school teachers for one year. 3. Provided 6,931,040 students four-year scholarships at public universities. 4. Ensured that every child in the world was given basic immunizations for 47 years. 5. Fully funded world-wide AIDS programs for 14 years. 6. Fully funded global anti-hunger efforts for 5 years. 7. Insured 85,612,842 children for one year. Regards, George
[Goanet]America Votes on November 2, 2004
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Americans of all races and types will decide who will govern the US for the next four years. Even though there has been a lot said about each candidate, if you are a US Citizen make that decision when you get to the polls early tomorrow morning. Make November 2, 2004 a historic day as an American Citizen TF Boston, MA _ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx
[Goanet]Re: John Kerry's new global coalition
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear all: I am not sure if I should laugh at this comedy or snicker at this stupidity. Never mind that the NY Post (Niles Lathem writes for them) is a Murdoch tabloid and the print version of Fox News television (also owned by Murdoch). Never mind that none of these media remotely qualify as news organizations and their anti-immigrant, anti-labor, anti-Muslim, pro-corporate stance (even in the UK and elsewhere) is well known except to those who blindly accept their version of events. What is amazing is we are now to assume that Osama is targeting red states. This from the same thug who killed 3,000 people on Sept 11 in the blue states (New York, D.C.). The 4th plane crashed in Pennsylvania (mostly a blue state). Osama has now changed colors. Good heavens, elections do provide their share of comedy. We who live in blue states are safe now. At least credit should be given to Bush supporters for making up their mind on a candidate. I hear that there are still some undecided voters, perhaps they will make up their mind after the election. Regards, George --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MONSTER'S DEADLY WARNING TO 'RED' STATES By NILES LATHEM - Email Archives Print Reprint November 1, 2004 -- WASHINGTON - Osama bin Laden warned in his October Surprise video that he will be closely monitoring the state-by-state election returns in tomorrow's presidential race and will spare any state that votes against President Bush from being attacked, according to a new analysis of his statement.
Re: [Goanet]Re: Vote Kerry, save the World- Bosco's comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## By George, you are missing the point! You asked I am not sure which George Bush his supporters are rooting for and my response was ...the George Bush who liberated 50 million Afghanis and Iraqis from tyrants, and gave Afghanistan the first democratically held (under UN supervision) election in their history! My answer obviously did not satisfy you because you went off on a tangent. I can understand that as a liberal you cannot accept the notion that there are some of us who not believe in entitlement programs (welfare). Over $6 trillion has been spent since the initiation of the Great Society program to eradicate poverty began under Lyndon Johnson and there is little to show for it. That entitlement hand reaches out for yet more--it is endless supplication. Whatever happened to good oldfashioned work ethic such as Goans used to live by in the old days? Besides, if we do not destroy terrorism across the ocean, the economic consequences we faced on 9/11 would look like chump change if there should be another significant attack on the U.S.Comprende, George? - Original Message - From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 3:37 PM Subject: [Goanet]Re: Vote Kerry, save the World- Bosco's comment ## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Chris Vaz wrote... How about the George Bush who liberated 50 million Afghanis and Iraqis from tyrants This is a post-hoc justification for the illegal war, a war which has cost the United States about $142 billion and counting. There were no WMD's, the original reason given for the war. Now George Bush is on reason #11 (freedom and democracy) as he shifts his reasons and justifications for the war often (it is difficult to keep up with his shifting positions on most major issues). According to the National Priorities Project, instead of the $142 billion spent on the war, we could have: 1. Paid for 18,936,876 children to attend a year of Head Start 2. Have hired 2,477,747 additional public school teachers for one year. 3. Provided 6,931,040 students four-year scholarships at public universities. 4. Ensured that every child in the world was given basic immunizations for 47 years. 5. Fully funded world-wide AIDS programs for 14 years. 6. Fully funded global anti-hunger efforts for 5 years. 7. Insured 85,612,842 children for one year. Regards, George
Re: [Goanet]John Kerry's new global coalition/Mario Goveia
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finally, we have proof of what I have been saying for months now. The liberal Democrats, Islamo fascists and anti-Israel neo-Nazis are all now part of the same coalition - against President Bush. I wonder why? MONSTER'S DEADLY WARNING TO 'RED' STATES By NILES LATHEM Mario, It seems that you are a cut and paste artist. Since you are in the wondering mode, I would like your view on how you feel about Bush and Co spending $200 BILLION in Iraq while most US citizens do not have health services. Mervyn2.0 Toronto BTW, if any American here needs the flu vaccine, I can arrange the dose here (free of charge.) __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
[Goanet]Ethel Da Costa's letter to the Governor (from Herald)
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## HEART 2 HEART (Herald) By Ethel Da Costa IFFI born of a quickie? To, His Excellency Mr Jamir Dear Sir, I understand you' re a man who would prefer things straight and direct, so spare me a few minutes. I have struggled, in pursuit of a deadline, through a day fraught with black outs and frequent power cuts right from 5.30am to 5.30pm. The calendar on my desk screams a countdown to IFFI. I've missed my deadline. Is this a harbinger of things to come? As I write this, citizens of Alto Nagali Colony, Dona Paula, stand armed with stones in their hands on the road to stop the sewage/mud laden trucks from Mala Lake heading for their clean environs. The government is creating `hills ' of sewage (Bal Bhavan and Campal bore the brunt silently, now its Dona Paula) in a tearing hurry to beautify Panjim for a festival that does not involve locals in its scheme of things (but for a hurried pressnote released by the DI to suggest otherwise). The residents of Nagali believe that only a people's movement can stop arrogance getting the better of reason. But does anybody care? The way things stand in these days of hard core horse trading, money has replaced logic. Add muscle power in the absence of grey cells. From the local authorities to the truck drivers mucking up the road of Dona Paula, nobody respects the law of the land, going by the threats these politically fattened goons have been throwing at the locals (a woman was told `I will go to the higher ups ' when she stopped these trucks dumping mud in her colony) with an air of chest-swelling bravado. Is Goa heading for an era of lawlessness? As I write this, labourers are toiling hard and fast in the heat of the autumn sun, pouring heaps of concrete into a bridge, pavements, road dividers, the multiplex and Kala Academy. I pause to ponder if these concrete structures will last us another 12 months after the hype of IFFI has died down. They (the IFFI taskforce) are in a mad, tearing hurry to meet the deadline thrust down their throats by a government (supported by back-bending babus) keen to score a brownie on promotions. Does ego precede quality? Where are the checks and balances to ensure quality control on the superstructures popping around us? Who is paying for these costs? Precious public monies have been poured into mortar and cement to change the face of Panjim. Sure, the Old GMC looks swell with the facelift, but what will scratching its surface reveal? Scant regard has been paid to the laws of engineering, allowing little, if any time, for the curing process required for these concrete structures. It ' s common sense. Every engineer knows this, why are they silent? Are we re-writing construction and engineering fundamentals to suit a few pockets, regardless of public safety? Do we want a concrete apocalypse that will break the back of this city five years from now? And what have you to say of the fire at the Basilica? Have you heard the grapevine rife with rumours alleging more than an ordinary short-circuit that ravaged the roof of our historic heritage monument. Citizens of Goa are alarmed. Don't you fret at the obvious lack of security World Heritage monuments enjoy in Goa? I know for sure that heritage monuments elsewhere in the world enjoy top class security systems to protect them against any man-made or natural faux pas. Where is this class of special security to safe-guard our monuments? Where is the Disaster Management Office in the State of Goa? If we are found wanting in these departments, and badly, what of the safety of six million odd travellers/tourists heading for Goa from all over the world in November/December? Do we have a security blueprint to plug these loopholes? Are we planning ways and means to keep a check on who gets in and out of our borders? Or, are we awaiting bedlam because we have taken our peace for granted. I notice that not a single club or a casino, temple or a church, disco or a resort has any equipment essential for safeguarding its own premises (and we are not talking fire hydrants alone) as well as the safety of its occupants/visitors/tourists. Guns and bombs are no longer social taboos in public places. If scanners and metal detectors are installed at every legitimate pub/club/disco in Goa, you will find the beeps ringing into your head well past breakfast. Goa is simply not a haven for drug lords alone. We have enough reasons to beef up our act, but we're such lazy Goenkars that we don't mind getting robbed in broad daylight. Yes, I'm painting a picture of Judgement Day. There's
[Goanet]Street sweepers, security guards and billboards - by Glenn Mitchell (ABC Sports)
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Street sweepers, security guards and billboards By Glenn Mitchell In a week from now, it will be time to leave India and head back to Australia. For me, this second tour of India has been every bit as enjoyable as my first back in 2001, however it must be said that the standard of competition on the cricketing front has been a tad disappointing. But that in no way has diminished my enjoyment at having another chance to experience life in this kaleidoscopic country. On this tour, three things have really struck me - street sweepers, security guards and billboards. The straw broom is an omnipresent part of Indian life. Every morning, they are wielded with gusto outside a myriad of buildings, whether they be commercial or residential. Footpaths are brushed clear of their debris with these long, back-breaking implements. In our hotel rooms in Nagpur, straw brooms were used by the housekeeping staff in preference to vacuum cleaners. And when you get to the cricket grounds, there they are again. Ground staff busily sweep the pitch with them before each day's play, and again at stumps, and for that matter, at every interval during the day as well. As for security guards, they're everywhere. We have not seen one ATM anywhere in our travels that is not diligently overseen by a security guard. None of them are armed, and in fairness, none of them look like they'd be much good in a scrap anyway. But there they sit, hour upon hour. The majority of shops also have unarmed, uniformed guards at their front doors. In the case of large brand name stores in shopping plazas, there are often two guards at the front door. Inside the same shop, you'll also regularly encounter them. Alongside our hotel in Chennai there was a large multi storey shopping complex, which conservatively would have housed in the vicinity of 200 shops of varying size. It would not be an exaggeration to say that the entire complex would have contained at any one time, upwards of 60 security guards. I'm not sure how often they advertise for security guards in this country, but one thing's for sure, it's a growing industry. And so it is for billboard advertising. No matter where you drive in India, it is almost impossible to escape billboards. In Goa, on our drive to and from the airport, we spent a deal a time on what would be considered country roads in Australia. But that didn't stop the roadside from being dotted with billboards, many of which bear the image of India's leading cricketers, and for that matter at the moment, Australian cricketers as well, who are cashing in on this country's love of celebrity. Many of the advertising signs in places like Nagpur and Goa are fixed to what look like rickety bamboo frames. The products they advertise are many and varied and some of the ads are quite witty. Others provide humour for their use of the English language. Signs in general in India are a constant source of amusement. One of my favourites was in the history museum in Old Goa. There, hanging on the wall in a beautiful old Portuguese-style building alongside portraits of the past governors of the colony, was a simple sign that read - No Spitting. Only in India! - Forwarded by AlmeidaG(ji), www.goa-world.com
[Goanet]John Kerry's new global coalition
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Finally, we have proof of what I have been saying for months now. The liberal Democrats, Islamo fascists and anti-Israel neo-Nazis are all now part of the same coalition - against President Bush. I wonder why? MONSTER'S DEADLY WARNING TO 'RED' STATES By NILES LATHEM - Email Archives Print Reprint November 1, 2004 -- WASHINGTON - Osama bin Laden warned in his October Surprise video that he will be closely monitoring the state-by-state election returns in tomorrow's presidential race and will spare any state that votes against President Bush from being attacked, according to a new analysis of his statement. The respected Middle East Media Research Institute, which monitors and translates Arabic media and Internet sites, said initial translations of a key portion of bin Laden's video rant to the American people Friday night missed an ostentatious bid by the Saudi-born terror master to divide American voters and tilt the election towards Democratic challenger John Kerry. MEMRI said radical Islamist commentators monitored over the Internet this past weekend also interpreted the key passage of bin Laden's diatribe to mean that any U.S. state that votes to elect Bush on Tuesday will be considered an enemy and any state that votes for Kerry has chosen to make peace with us. The statement in question is when bin Laden said on the tape: Your security is up to you, and any state that does not toy with our security automatically guarantees its own security. That sentence followed a lengthy passage in the video in which bin Laden launches personal attacks on the president. Yigal Carmon, president of MEMRI, said bin Laden used the Arabic term ay- wilaya to refer to a state in that sentence. That term specifically refers to an American state, like Tennessee, Carmon said, adding that if bin Laden were referring to a country he would have used the Arabic word dawla. MEMRI also translated an analysis of bin Laden's statement from the Islamist Web site al-Qal'a, well known for posting al-Qaeda messages, which agreed that bin Laden's use of the word ay-wilaya was meant as a warning to every U.S state separately. It means that any U.S. state that will choose to vote for the white thug Bush as president, it means that it chose to fight us and we will consider it an enemy to us, and any state that will vote against Bush, it means that it chose to make peace with us and we will not characterize it as an enemy, the Web site said, according to MEMRI's translation. - End forwarded message -
[Goanet]Re: An Indian review of Fahrenheit 9/11
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Many have seen the above movie...has anybody seen Celsius 411 or FaHrEnHYPE 911 ?? Too bad they didn't get as much air play as Fahrenheit 9/11 But then again..the Dubya-baiters will call the latter movies right-wing propaganda !! Bahh !! Best wishes - Bosco On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:14:01 +0530, Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Moorish ambush The Poneer Wednesday, October 20, 2004 Fahrenheit 9/11 For a documentary to get a multi-theatre release and go house-full is quite an unprecedented achievement. Michael Moore has, indeed, changed the way documentaries were viewed till now. So here is what his Fahrenheit 9/11 is all about: --- Goanet - http://www.goanet.org - Goa's premier mailing list is 10 years old
[Goanet]In Bihar, Muslims are divided into 43 castes ..............Interesting
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## o In Bihar, Muslims are divided into 43 castes IANS Patna Nov 1: In caste-ridden Bihar, even Muslims are not free from the evil - there are as many as 43 castes in the community. Though Islam is a religion that preaches the equality of all people, Muslims in Bihar are divided into upper castes, middle castes and lower castes, says a report sponsored by the State Minorities Commission. The report on the socio-economic status of Muslims has identified 43 castes. Unlike Hindus, among whom the upper castes constitute a small part of the population, the upper castes among Muslims account for about 40.4 per cent of the community in rural areas and 41.1 per cent in urban areas, it says. Among Hindus in Bihar, upper castes account for about 13 per cent of the community and backward castes nearly 50 per cent. Within the Muslim community, the upper castes include Syed, Shaikh, Pathan (Khan) and Malik. The middle castes comprise the Momin or Ansari caste and account for 25 per cent of the total population. There are 38 lower castes among the Muslims, accounting for 34.6 per cent of the populace in rural areas and 34.4 per cent in urban areas. They include the Bakkho, Bhatiara, Chik, Churihara, Dafali, Dhunia, Dhobi and Idrisi. The 273-page report, prepared by Patna-based Asian Development Research Institute (ADRI), says that castes among Muslims are broadly based on their social status and occupations. The distribution of Muslim population among the caste groups is very similar in rural as well as urban areas, it says. However, there are four districts - Patna, Munger, Darbhanga and Madhepura - where the upper castes constitute over 60 per cent of Muslim households. In the five districts of Rohtas, Jamui, Gaya, Aurangabad and West Champaran, the middle caste Ansaris account for over 40 per cent of Muslim households. The report is based on the 1991 census when the Muslim population in Bihar stood at 10.119 million, accounting for 15.7 per cent of the state's total population. According to the 2001 census report, the Muslim population is over 13 million in Bihar.
Re: [Goanet]Cardinal Valeriano Gracias
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## On Mon, 1 Nov 2004, Bernado Colaco wrote: Hi Jerry, We have to thank Tio Alfy for the answers. But the prominent traitor leading up to the events of 61 was the Cardinal. When drunk he would inform the Portuguese what was going on the indian side and when he was not drunk he would dabble in caste issues. It is believed that the Vatican also had a hand! Bernado, Such arguments indeed show you in very poor light. You're taking a single statement of Alfred Tavares to label so nastily an eminent Goan figure (never mind you have a stone in your shoe about his caste origins). Further, you don't have to abuse someone just because he doesn't share your view over the desirability of colonialism. I guess you can afford to say the things you do, only by pretending to be whom you are not. Happy trolling ;-) FN
[Goanet]That's Right Chris Vaz, Tell them like it really is!
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Chris Vaz Mon Nov 1 12:15:54 2004 How about the George Bush who liberated 50 million Afghanis and Iraqis from tyrants, and gave Afghanistan the first democratically held (under UN supervision) election in their history? Reason enough? That's right Chris, That's right. Tell them like it is. These girlie Lefties wouldn't know the Truth even it were to sit in front of their noses. Read this one - See how many people rejoice their new found Freedom. For them Tyranny - No Mas Hunger - No Mas Suffering - No Mas Communiao - No Mas Read all about it. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6354133/ jc
[Goanet]Re: Vote Kerry, save the World- Bosco's comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Chris Vaz wrote... How about the George Bush who liberated 50 million Afghanis and Iraqis from tyrants This is a post-hoc justification for the illegal war, a war which has cost the United States about $142 billion and counting. There were no WMDs, the original reason given for the war. Now George Bush is on reason #11 (freedom and democracy) as he shifts his reasons and justifications for the war often (it is difficult to keep up with his shifting positions on most major issues). According to the National Priorities Project, instead of the $142 billion spent on the war, we could have: 1. Paid for 18,936,876 children to attend a year of Head Start 2. Have hired 2,477,747 additional public school teachers for one year. 3. Provided 6,931,040 students four-year scholarships at public universities. 4. Ensured that every child in the world was given basic immunizations for 47 years. 5. Fully funded world-wide AIDS programs for 14 years. 6. Fully funded global anti-hunger efforts for 5 years. 7. Insured 85,612,842 children for one year. Regards, George
[Goanet]Re: A Must Read before you vote
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Mario Goveia wrote... Finally, think of Teresa Heinz-Kerry as First Lady. If this doesn't make your skin crawl... My skin does not crawl when I see a former-Republican like Teresa Heinz Kerry who saw the light and became a Democrat. Sticking to the facts once again, her is some info. on a remarkable First Lady to-be: 1. President George Bush Sr. appointed her in 1992 as part of a State Department Delegation representing U.S. non-governmental organizations at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro. 2. She Chairs the Howard Heinz Endowment and the Heinz Family Philanthropies, supporting education, children, reducing the cost of prescription drugs, promoting the arts and helping women achieve financial economic security. 3. She established the Women's Institute for a Secure Retirement in 1996 to educate women about pensions, savings, and retirement security. 4. She has received numerous awards and 10 honorary degrees. 5. In September 2004, she was presented with the prestigious Albert Schweitzer Gold Medal for humanitarianism, for her work protecting the environment, promoting health care and education and uplifting women and children throughout the world. 6. Elected fellow of the prestigious American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 2001. Please re-read #1 above to see who support her. Republican loyalty is fickle - just like Donald Rumsfield who went to Iraq in 1983 and met Saddam to do business with him (sell US arms). The same arms Saddam used to kill people. Now Rumsfield and other Republicans sing a different tune. Regards, George
[Goanet]Re: The US administration's phony war on terrorism
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Marlon, Recomendation by an Iraqi friend, who has family in Iraq and who read your email with great sadness: Tell your friend to PLEASE go to www.voicesofiraq.com and maybe he can learn about what is happening in 90% of Iraq, not just the 10% he is referring to. Specific point by point responses to your email appear in sequence below. Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario and Chris, It is good to hear from you all. Unfortunately, your arguments have a lot of holes and in many cases is quite irrelevant. RESPONSE: The problem with your analysis is that you don't even have the basic facts straight, and so it is understandable that your conclusions are similarly skewed. I showed you comments to some Kuwaiti and Iraqi friends who are students here and who had lost family members to Saddam' brutality, and they just sadly shook their heads. One asked how anyone who claims to have knowledge of the invasion of Kuwait would not know that Saddam deserved to be taken out regardless of all the sophistry about WMDs, UN resolutions and other BS. Just the number of deaths he cause by his pre-emptive invasions of Iran and Kuwait, his brutal repression of the Kurds and Marsh Shia, who had to be protected from aerial massacre by the US and Britain and the no-fly zones, the rape rooms and mass graves, his development of WMDs and threat to provide these to the terrorists. One Iraqi said, Doesn't this fool, who sits safely in America and claims to know about the middle east, know about all this? I'm sorry, but that's what an actual Iraqi said. First of all, being tagged as left wing is a revelation to me. I guess I am the first left wing liberal who supports the abolishment of welfare, medicare, social security, and supports Bush's tax cuts and his free trade policies! Presumably, I am also the first liberal who does not approve of the Bush administration's big government policies and its fiscal irresponsibility. RESPONSE: So, you are a fiscal conservative. What does this have to do with your faulty knowledge of what is going on in the middle-east? Next, I dont need to be lectured by anyone about Iraq. My family lived in Kuwait and experienced the acts of the Iraqi regime in the first war. I am the last person who would expect to have any sympathy of the Saddam regime. RESPONSE: Obviously your connections with Kuwait have not led you to know as much about the middle-east as you think you do. I have confirmed this by showing your comments to actual Kuwaitis and Iraqis, whose families have experienced Saddam's brutality. Regardless of my personal dislike for the Iraqi regime, the fact remains that Saddam was fully contained and made irrelevant after the first war. There was a legitimate unknown about his WMD, which required action and which was ignored by the Clinton administration. However, we also know that after the US congress (backed by Kerry et al) passed the war resolution authorizing the use of force *if necessary*, the Iraqi regime in effect completely capitulated to the inspectors because it realized it had no choice. This was a fantasic achievement by the Bush administration. RESPONSE: If the Iraqis capitulated to the inspectors it was because they had already hidden their WMDs or moved them to Syria. After all they had 12 years to do this. The scheme was, with the collusion of France, Russia and China, and co-conspirators like Hans Blix, to declare that the WMDs were not in Iraq, get the UN sanctions lifted on this basis, which would leave Saddam free to re-constitute all his programs un-supervised. The problem is that the current administration then rushed to war inspite of having free reign in Iraq and with no support from its real allies that matter. RESPONSE: You give your bias away with such ridiculous comments. Real allies that matter? Who the heck might these be? Are you talking about France, Russia and China who were colluding with Saddam in looting the oil-for-food program and conspiring to protect him with vetoes in the UNSC? Do we have any better allies than the ones we have in Iraq? Furthermore, it lied to the American people by implying an alliance between Saddam and Al Qaieda. Anyone who knows anything about the middle east knows that these two entities were diametrically opposed to each other. Yet even today, thanks to mass deception by the US administration, a large chunk of the US population thinks there was a link between the two. RESPONSE: Unfortunately, anyone who knows anything about the middle east know that there were
Re: [Goanet]Re: Vote Kerry, save the World- Bosco's comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## The iraqis seem a little peeved at being liberated! Like some goans are peeved at being liberated! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Lure of Goa attracts even destitute orphans
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## -- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ --- - Lure of Goa attracts even destitute orphans -- The tourism season is on the roll and the lure of Goa is not only attracting millionaires but also destitute orphans. Twelve-year-old Prakash Bahadur was picked up loitering outside the newly-opened Women and Child Protection Unit, Panaji yesterday afternoon and promptly told officials he had run away from home in distant Nepal. Sources inside women's police said the boy was dirty and hungry but unafraid. Upon being fed, Prakash said his parents were dead and that he was being raised by his paternal aunt, Tika Khadke. Bored with Nepal and having heard of Goa, he travelled by train and landed in Margao on October 28. Prakash claims he travelled with another senior person who travelled onward to Kerala. He spent the night at the Margao railway station and came to Panaji by bus yesterday. The women's police officials said he seemed smart and apparently knew of Margao and Panaji. Confounded by the 12-year old's confidence, police are trying to find out whether he had come to Goa before, whether he has any relatives here and if he is concealing something. The Foreigner's Registration Office has been alerted to verify his story at the detailed address he has given in Nepal. Sources said when he was at the Women and Child Protection Unit, he was enchanted with the fish in the gleaming new aquarium there. However, Prakash has been housed at Apna Ghar, Merces. -- The Navhind Times 31/10/04 page 3 -- === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development Democracy ===
[Goanet]*Seminar* issue comes out with a special issue on Goa
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Monthly magazine *Seminar* comes out with a special issue on *Goa*, this November. More details from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 543 Amche Goem a symposium on the many facets of a state THE PROBLEM Posed by Maria Aurora Couto, writer, Aldona Bardes, Goa DEMOCRACY AND FEDERALISM Vishvanath Pai Panandikar, Founder President, Centre for Policy Research, Delhi (1973-2000), Panjim, Goa A PERSONAL VIEW Katharina Poggendorf-Kakar, scholar of comparative religion and writer, Benaulim, Salcete, Goa AN OUTSIDER IN GOA Bal Mundkur, founder, Ulka Advertising, now retired in Reis Magos, Tiswadi, Goa THE JOURNEY OF GOAN FOOD Fatima da Silva Gracias, historian, author and President, Research Institute for Women, Panjim, Goa RURAL SELF-GOVERNMENT GOAN STYLE T.D. Halarnakar, writer, ex-President All India Konkani Parishad and ex-editor Konkani encyclopedia, Goa University, Pororim THE ECONOMY Alban Couto, retired from the Indian Administrative Service, Aldona Bardes, Goa REVIVING LITERATURE AND CULTURE Damodar Mauzo, writer and novelist; executive member of the Sahitya Academy, Margao and Xavier Cota, writer and translator; social activist, Goa GOAN ARCHITECTURE Jose Pereira, Professor Emeritus in Theology, Fordham University, New York, New York FOR A HUMANE TOURISM Roland Martins, social activist, DESC Resource Centre, Mapusa, Goa REMEMBERING ANTHONY GONSALVES Naresh Fernandes, editor, 'Time Out', Mumbai MOTHER TONGUE BLUES Madhavi Sardesai, Margao, Goa Peter D'Souza, on politics and the economy GOAN HOUSES Heta Pandit, Head, Heritage Action Group and writer, Porvorim Uday Bhembre, a book review article Margao P Phaldesai on folklore --- GOANET-READER WELCOMES contributions from its readers, by way of essays, reviews, features and think-pieces. We share quality Goa-related writing among the 7000-strong readership of the Goanet/Goanet-news network of mailing lists. If you appreciated the thoughts expressed above, please send in your feedback to the writer. Our writers write -- or share what they have written -- pro bono, and deserve hearing back from those who appreciate their work. GoanetReader is edited by Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Goanet, 1994-2004, building community for a decade. ---
[Goanet]Flights and packages to Goa from £249.
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Gatwick to Goa by Charter flights. Departing Gatwick on 4th and 5th Nov for 14 nights. Call Goaway 0207 258 7800. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3253item=2281275982rd=1 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.782 / Virus Database: 528 - Release Date: 22/10/2004
Re: [Goanet]Re: Vote Kerry, save the World- Bosco's comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## How about the George Bush who liberated 50 million Afghanis and Iraqis from tyrants, and gave Afghanistan the first democratically held (under UN supervision) election in their history? Reason enough? - Original Message - From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 11:40 AM Subject: [Goanet]Re: Vote Kerry, save the World- Bosco's comment ## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's more about don't vote for Dubya - the greater of the two evils. The above phrase is overused in modern political discourse. Sometimes (not always) one votes choosing between two poor or bad choices, but not evil. Fortunately, in tomorrow's USA election, John Kerry, an outstanding candidate is on the ballot. I see the predicament with Bush, he is the flip flopper-in-chief and one cannot tell where he stands as the political winds shift. He was against the 9-11 commission, then for it. Opposed the Homeland Security department, then was for it. Against nation-building, then for it. For small government but presided over the largest expansion of government and spending since Lyndon Johnson, etc. etc. Kerry was consistent and strong in all three debates, yet three different Bush's showed up in the debates. I am not sure which George Bush his supporters are rooting for. Regards, George
Re: [Goanet]Re: Vote Kerry, save the World
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The New York Times, one of Mr. Kerry's most influential supporters, actually had one whole line devoted to speaking of his service (paragraph 22 of it's 24-para) endorsement of the Senator from Massachussetts. Don't you believe that Senator Kerry is running on his own merit? The above post stems from ignorance, and is meant to mislead the people into voting for Bush based on misinformation. I enumerate below many of the significant achievements of John Kerry in the U.S. Senate over the past 20 years. I challenge Peter D'Souza and other Bush partisans in this forum to provide us such an enumeration on Bushs behalf, instead of circulating hate-filled garbage and lies about Kerry. It would be nice to know what significant public good Bush accomplished over the past 20 years, which would motivate people to vote for him. Sorry for the length of this post. Here are John Kerrys accomplishments in the senate: 1. Based on John Kerry's fact-finding mission to Nicaragua and groundbreaking findings, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee reached a consensus decision to investigate the Contra guerillas and their connection to drug trafficking in the United States. The resulting investigation uncovered the Iran-Contra scandal, a scheme that diverted profits from illegal arms sales to Iran to support the Contra guerilla fighters in Nicaragua. 2. Kerry led hearings which provided evidence that Haitian military officials were involved in drug trafficking to the United States. He also led hearings on corruption and drug trafficking by Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega, and introduced legislation requiring the Reagan administration to cut off foreign aid to Panama because of drug-related corruption within its government 3. Chaired the landmark hearings that uncovered the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) scandal - the largest banking corruption scandal in modern times. 4. Crossed party lines to support a balanced budget and cast the decisive vote to create 23 million new jobs. 5. Cosponsored and voted for the landmark Gramm-Rudman-Hollings balanced budget and deficit reduction bill to end runaway deficits. 6. Was instrumental in passing the most recent increase in the minimum wage - to $5.15 per hour in 1997. 7. Led a successful fight for an amendment he introduced to make sure that all working families receive a child tax credit. 8. As chairman of the Senate Small Business Committee, promoted policies to increase access to capital, open international markets, foster innovative technology companies, reduce red tape and increase federal contracting opportunities. 9. Created and improved the MicroLoan program, expanded the successful nationwide Women's Business Centers (WBC) and loan programs that help the small businesses of reservists stay afloat while they are on active duty. 10. Led the fight to add police on our streets through his amendment to the 1993 Crime Control bill. John Kerry's amendment provided for $150 million to hire 100,000 new police officers - a measure widely regarded as having helped to lower the crime rate across the country. 11. Has supported over $4 trillion in defense funding and has supported virtually every successful weapons system in use by today's military. 12. Introduced critical legislation for cracking down on international laundering of terrorist funds. 13. Introduced a bill to ban arms exports to countries that provide support for acts of international terrorism, a proposal that was incorporated into the final 1990 State Department Authorization Bill. 14. Was an original co-sponsor of the Aviation and Transportation Security Act of 2001, which improved our nation's airline security after September 11th. 15. Fought for ratification of the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, fought against withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, and has been a strong and persistent advocate of programs that help secure nuclear, biological and chemical weapons stockpiles and materials in the former Soviet Union so they do not fall into the hands of hostile states or terrorists. 16. Wrote Pre-Cursor Bill to S-CHIP, Providing Coverage for up to 5 Million Children. John Kerry's 1996 bill, the Healthy Children, Family Assistance Health Insurance Program, was the precursor to the successful State Children's Health Insurance Program (S-CHIP) that became law in 1997. S-CHIP provides funding to cover 5 million children. 17. Led the effort to establish the YouthBuild program, which provides young people with basic education toward a diploma and the
[Goanet]Re: Vote Kerry, save the World- Bosco's comment
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's more about don't vote for Dubya - the greater of the two evils. The above phrase is overused in modern political discourse. Sometimes (not always) one votes choosing between two poor or bad choices, but not evil. Fortunately, in tomorrow's USA election, John Kerry, an outstanding candidate is on the ballot. I see the predicament with Bush, he is the flip flopper-in-chief and one cannot tell where he stands as the political winds shift. He was against the 9-11 commission, then for it. Opposed the Homeland Security department, then was for it. Against nation-building, then for it. For small government but presided over the largest expansion of government and spending since Lyndon Johnson, etc. etc. Kerry was consistent and strong in all three debates, yet three different Bush's showed up in the debates. I am not sure which George Bush his supporters are rooting for. Regards, George
RE: [Goanet]Cardinal Valeriano Gracias!
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear AT, Thanks for your information. It is interesting to read how a drunken lout and a bootlicker from mumbai had a hand in Goa´s invasion. I am particularly interested to know if caste played a siginficant role in his actions since you say he was lower in the rungs! B. Colaço Goa. It was these two ships that, Nehru's steadfast pancheel ally, Abdel Gamal Nasser, bottled up in the Suez, thereby critically alerting the international community to what Nehru had hoped to furnish, after a quickly, and as covertly as possible, delivered coup de grace, an ipso facto case re-unification. (My sources: Redualdo da Costa, Dom Moraes) AT ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]caste and all that
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- In other words, what does the average Hindu think of a Goan Catholic trying to call himself a Brahmin? I wonder if Cornel has done research to the casta among Da mão people? B. Colaço ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet]Dabolim Airport Debate
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## The indian army in the 70´s was believed to have allowed the Soviets to trawl in Goa waters. I guess this is the national security for many a brain washed Goan! B. Colaço Is the response of our politicians so far been one that the military tends to be seen as a sacred cow, both in this country and in most parts of the globe, as we've also noticed after the Tehelka expose? FN ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet]4 girls operating as sex workers arrested in the Calangute area
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## -- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ --- - 4 girls operating as sex workers arrested - The Crime branch of police last night arrested four girls - aged between 20 and 25 - operating as sex workers in the Calangute area and two men who were soliciting customers for them. Sources in the Crime branch had information of their activities and therefore sent four decoys to strike a deal with the men. The deal, struck at Arpora, was that the 'customers' would pay Rs 5,000 for the four girls plus Rs 2,000 for hotel. Accordingly, the money was paid and the girls 'handed over' at Arpora. The party was being driven to a Calangute hotel but Crime Branch sleuths intercepted their car and took them into custody. All four girls and the two pimps have been charged under the Immoral Trafficking Prevention Act. They were produced before the judicial magistrate first class, Mapusa, and have been remanded to police custody for 3 days. The police gave the names of the two men as Saulo alias Vicky Kandolkar (25) from Parsem, Pernem and Keshav alias Ramu Devre (27) from Nepal. Sources in Crime branch said two of the girls were from Assam and two were from Kolkata. All were previously working as dance-girls in the beer bars of Mumbai and had shifted to Goa about 15 days back. The Navhind Times 31/10/04 page 3 - === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development Democracy ===
[Goanet]Sex trade: Mormugao Dy collector asks Vasco police to keep strict vigil
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## -- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ --- Sex trade: Mormugao Dy collector asks police to keep strict vigil The Mormugao deputy collector, Ms Meena Goltekar has asked the Vasco police to keep strict vigil on the growing sex- trade near Baina beach. Various complaints on the increasing sex trade at Baina beach have been received by the Mormugao deputy collector. Acting on such complaints, the deputy collector has intimated the deputy superintendent of police (DySP), Vasco sub-division, Mr Subhash Goltekar to keep strict vigil on the sex trade at Baina beach. It may be recalled that the state government acting on the High Court order demolished about 250 cubicles on June 14. Prior to the demolition, the Mormugao mamlatdar, Mr Anthony J D' Souza had made an announcement to evacuate the cubicles occupied by commercial sex workers. Interestingly, the cubicles were found vacated on the next day. It was believed that the commercial sex workers who were occupying the cubicles went to their native places by the train. According to sources, sex trade is being carried on sly in the houses located in front of the sulabh toilet at Baina beach. It is also noticed that the brothel-keepers who were said to be the source in manipulating the flesh trade, still have maintained their roots in these business. The question now arises is whether the port town of Vasco still continues to be the new mini-Baina. The strict vigil from the police and co-operation from the citizens could stop the flesh trade. --- The Navhind Times 1/11/04 page 6 --- === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development Democracy ===
[Goanet]Chicalim sex maniac held by Vasco Police
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## -- Documented by Goa Desc Resource Centre Ph:2252660 Website: www.goadesc.org Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Press Clippings on the web: http://www.goadesc.org/mem/ --- -- Chicalim sex maniac held -- The Vasco police today nabbed the sex maniac who has created panic in the surrounding areas of Chicalim for last ten days.The Vasco police stepped up vigilance in Chicalim in the area of Chicalim in search of the elusive sex maniac after the complaints received from some victim women. The police informed that accused was wanted for molesting women who were regular passers-by in the area. He has also assaulted some women. Vasco cops nabbed the accused at Uttar-Dongri, Chicalim in the bushes. He was found sitting under a tree. The police disclosed that he had not had food for the last couple of days. He is in the age group of 30-35 years. The police interrogated him after being taken in the custody. However, he stood silent to his behaviour. The police, later in the evening, referred the accused to the Institute of Psychiatric Human Behaviour at Bambolim. --- The Navhind Times 31/10/04 page 1 --- === GOA DESC RESOURCE CENTRE Documentation + Education + Solidarity 11 Liberty Apts., Feira Alta, Mapusa, Goa 403 507 Tel: 2252660 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.goadesc.org -- Working On Issues Of Development Democracy ===
[Goanet]Re: Vote Kerry, save the World
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear all: It is apparent that some Bush supporters on this forum do not let facts get in the way of their repeating the radical right-wing talk radio talking points. They are trying to pass if off as facts. John Kerry has spent about 20 years in the Senate and voted over 6,000 times on all the important issues of our times ranging from education, the environment, defense, etc. Let's just examine one of the lies about his record which is often repeated - that he is cutting defense and weak on keeping America strong. See http://slate.msn.com/id/2096127/ which actually has quotes by George Bush Sr. and Dick Cheney wanting to cut defense spending (I agree that some defense spending is wasteful and beneficial to the military-industrial complex - a term REPUBLICAN President Eisenhower used). See quotes below and they have the gall to call Kerry weak when he actually fought in Vietnam when George W. was hiding in the Alabama woods. Cheney Ashcroft got OVER 10 deferments NOT to fight in Vietnam, they are the chickenhawks who talk tough about war while someone's else poor kid dies for oil. I wonder if any on this forum who support the Iraq war actually volunteered to fight? George Bush Sr.: After completing 20 planes for which we have begun procurement, we will shut down further production of the B-2 bomber. We will cancel the small ICBM program. We will cease production of new warheads for our sea-based ballistic missiles. We will stop all new production of the Peacekeeper [MX] missile. And we will not purchase any more advanced cruise missiles. The reductions I have approved will save us an additional $50 billion over the next five years. By 1997 we will have cut defense by 30 percent since I took office. Dick Halliburton Cheney: Overall, since I've been Secretary, we will have taken the five-year defense program down by well over $300 billion. That's the peace dividend. And now we're adding to that another $50 billion .. of so-called peace dividend. Regards, George --- Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, You're completely ignoring the fact that Mr. Kerry *did* introduce some very important measures during his twenty years in the Senate
[Goanet]Vote Kerry and save the world acc to George Pinto
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## George Pinto Mon Nov 1 00:58:01 2004 wrote : #1: Yes, this country deserves better than the current President and that is why I am enthusiastically supporting and voting for John Kerry #2: He has cozied up to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Kuwait, China, etc., so called allies. #3: If Iraq had only vegetables, we would never have ventured there regardless of how brutal Saddam was . #4: We are told people are voting for freedom and democracy in Iraq and Afganistan. Here is a question their should put on the ballot there: do you want the occupying American forces to stay and run the country through their proxies and puppets? Interesting stuff from the Prof. BTW: Wonder what the good Lady Rt. Wing Pubbie from the West Coast thinks of the Professor's points? Oh she was so vocal when not-so-Santa Monica was in the limelight. Awfully silent these days. And why the silencio from the good Rt Wing Catholic Pubbie from the East Coast? Hope he does not write to my Archbishop to deny me Communion! Naka re baba. Kori naka. wrt #1: Mercifully, I am NOT voting for either man - but I would dearly love to see Mr. Bush re-elected. It is my expectation that MOST desi chaps will vote against the Kerryman. Porque? Poixe! wrt #2: The Prof may wish to add to that list: India under the rt Wing BJP. I can understand the strategic silence wrt the Rt Wing BJP chaps in Goa. Yep it is counterproductive to be contra-BJP in Goa when one is trying to Sudharofy Amchem Goem. I agree with that 100%. (;-) wrt #3: I know what the good (and Fox hunted) Bernado Colaco is thinking: Uh! If Goa did not have a port, and beaches, and mineral wealth and Dabolim.ONLY Veggies, whould Chacha Nehru and VK Hercules XXXRums-felt Menon have bombed the place ? Of course Bernadobab.it was the 1962 election, not the Veggies! wrt# 4: Here goes Fox-hunted Bernado Colaco again :- do you want the occupying Bharati forces to stay and run Goa through their proxies and puppets? Baba Bernado, Kitem mhuntai re tuum? Oh Yes, I personally believe that the Professor forgot a KEY point in this ghuspott: The Role of the Press! ( NOT AGAIN zuzebab !) If the Press does NOT tell, the public will probably NEVER know. If the Press tells bundals, the public will probably BELIEVE the gupp. But then, JC is in a pre-1961 time-warp here. He has another agenda. AND we can continue to bury our heads in the sand like ostriches. Hoping that THOSE who keep reminding us to Remember OUR OWN actions before Pointing out to the actions of OTHERS - will FADE away with time, or at least leave the discussion list like Paulobab. The Rt. Wingers have ONE thing of note. They are hypersensitive to criticism. When they are criticized, they use the sound byte technique to wolf-maul the messenger. Called the Pack Mentality. Forget the message - we have heard it too often. The best technique forward is Ignore the Message and Attack the Messenger. Wonder HOW the left wing will react today. Probably will go back to the Sitting on the Fence or sticking their heads into the Sand? Let's see. jc
[Goanet][OFFTOPIC] Netiquette ... for mailing lists
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## The Net: User Guidelines and Netiquette - by Arlene Rinaldi LISTSERVS/MAILING LISTS/ DISCUSSION GROUPS Some mailing lists have low rates of traffic, others can flood your mailbox with several hundred mail messages per day. Numerous incoming messages from various listservers or mailing lists by multiple users, requires extensive system processing which can tie up valuable resources. Subscription to Interest Groups or Discussion Lists should be kept to a minimum and should not exceed what your disk quota can handle, or you for that matter. * When you join a list, monitor the messages for a few days to get a feel for what common questions are asked, and what topics are deemed off-limits. This is commonly referred to as lurking. When you feel comfortable with the group, then start posting. * See if there is a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) for a group that you are interested in joining. Veteran members get annoyed when they see the same questions every few weeks, or at the start of each semester. * Follow any and all guidelines that the listowner has posted; the listowner establishes the local netiquette standards for her/his list. * Keep in mind that some discussion lists or Usenet groups have members from many countries. * Don't assume that they will understand a reference to TV, movies, pop culture, or current events in your country. If you must use the reference, please explain it. * Don't assume that they understand geographical references that are local or national. * Don't join a list just to post inflammatory messages - this upsets most system administrators and you could lose access to the net (mail bombing). * Keep your questions and comments relevant to the focus of the discussion group. * If another person posts a comment or question that is off the subject, do NOT reply to the list and keep the off- subject conversation going publicly. * When someone posts an off-subject note, and someone else criticizes that posting, you should NOT submit a gratuitous note saying well, I liked it and lots of people probably did as well and you guys ought to lighten up and not tell us to stick to the subject. * When going away for more than a week, unsubscribe or suspend mail from any mailing lists or LISTSERV services. * If you can respond to someone else's question, do so through email. Twenty people answering the same question on a large list can fill your mailbox (and those of everyone else on the list) quickly. * When quoting another person, edit out whatever isn't directly applicable to your reply. Don't let your mailing or Usenet software automatically quote the entire body of messages you are replying to when it's not necessary. Take the time to edit any quotations down to the minimum necessary to provide context for your reply. Nobody likes reading a long message in quotes for the third or fourth time, only to be followed by a one line response: Yeah, me too. * Use discretion when forwarding a long mail message to group addresses or distribution lists. It's preferable to reference the source of a document and provide instructions on how to obtain a copy. If you must post a long message, warn the readers with a statement at the top of the mail message. Example: WARNING: LONG MESSAGE * If you crosspost messages to multiple groups, include the name of the groups at the top of the mail message with an apology for any duplication. * Resist the temptation to flame others on the list. Remember that these discussions are public and meant for constructive exchanges. Treat the others on the list as you would want them to treat you. * When posting a question to the discussion group, request that responses be directed to you personally. Post a summary or answer to your question to the group. * When replying to a message posted to a discussion group, check the address to be certain it's going to the intended location (person or group). It can be very embarrassing if they reply incorrectly and post a personal message to the entire discussion group that was intended for an individual. * When signing up for a group it is important to save your subscription confirmation letter for reference. That way if you go on vacation you
Re: [Goanet]Re: A Must Read before you vote -- Attn: Ronald Albuquerque
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forget all the rhetoric and focus on some bottom line issues regarding next Tuesday: 4. Finally, think of Teresa Heinz-Kerry as First Lady. If this doesn't make your skin crawl, then vote for John Kerry. The above post is a waste of electrons. Every single statement in it is a lie. Please disregard that post completely. If you want to vote for Bush, please vote for him based on your genuine convictions and real factual differences between the two candidates. Please don't let the garbage contained in Mario Goveia's post determine your vote. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet]Re: Vote Kerry and save the world
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When liberals like you run out of facts, you pour on the vitriol. Wrong! I did not resort to the use of vitriol. I only stated facts that differentiate Kerry from Bush. And it is good to be a liberal. Bumbling clown as you refer to the president is just one of such epithets. I am sorry. But Bush did act like a bumbling clown in the first two debates. Please watch a video replay of the first debate. That means you are referring to all the people who voted him president as bumbling clowns! because they did not know what they were doing when they pulled the lever! Wrong! They were simply misguided, or catering to their own self-interest or their ideology. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR, LATELY, Mr. Helekar? Yes. I feel very good and proud of myself. The rest of what Shri Chris Vaz has written in his last post is unadulterated garbage spewed by right-wing nuts on the talk radio. John Kerry has a good liberal record in the senate. He is likely to be a good liberal president. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]Re: Vote Kerry, save the World
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Chris, You're completely ignoring the fact that Mr. Kerry *did* introduce some very important measures during his twenty years in the Senate , six or seven of which actually were passed by the House, Senate, and eventually signed by the President. Two of those measures were declarations of World Population Day (different years), another one was Save the Dolphins, another important one was Jackie Robinson Day. The New York Times, one of Mr. Kerry's most influential supporters, actually had one whole line devoted to speaking of his service (paragraph 22 of it's 24-para) endorsement of the Senator from Massachussetts. Don't you believe that Senator Kerry is running on his own merit? Very sincerely, Peter D'Souza Chris Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr, Helekar-- IF ELECTED, he would do this and he would do that. Tell me, Mr. Helekar IN THE TWENTY-SOME YEARS HE HAS BEEN IN THE SENATE, besides being absent most of the time when the Senate was in session voting on important legislation
[Goanet]Gulf Goans baggage
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## A correspondent of mine from the Gulf, who wishes to remain anonymous, sent this to me in reply to my query on Sausage consumption patterns. I doubt the veracity of his statements as he is not a Goan by origin and might have been exaggerating and pulling my leg. Could some Gulf Goans please let me know if the statements below are relatively accurate or just figments of his imagination: the baggage allowance inbound (Dubai) is 20 Kgs. People often end up coming with 40-50 kgs (some leaking bags u should note on the conveyor belt (poor Bengalis have to clip their nose as they are not used to these vinegar based preparations) I can roughly give you a guideline(sausages only) based on the survey with 10 Goan friends who travel every year to Goa. Except one person all others had sausages in their baggage. A listing of other items The sausages only averaged to 5-7 kgs. So curious enough I asked what the other 15 kgs (plus 10-12 in the cabin luggage) contained and some of the listed facts were here: Initially I wanted to seek your help for the Konkani words for this stuff but since HINGLISH is the common language here I thought you too would understand. Cheuris 5 - 7 kgs Maadachem Godd (Goan Jaggery?) 2-3kgs Dukraa Maas (Pork Roasted) 2-3 kgs Sorpotel- 2-3 kgs Raw (frozen) pigling 5 kgs Reichead - 1 jar (1kg) Amot Tik - 1 jar (1-2 kg) Miskoot (pickles) Tendli/Mango Balchao/Mole - 1 jar 1/2 kg approx Sollam Tamarind Kashmiri Chillies Vinegar - 2-3 ltrs Ground Masala (Xacuti/ Sambar/ Fish Curry)1-2 kgs Kiraitem (bitter medicine) Banana Chips 1 kg Bolingaas (small roundbiscuits)1 kg Doss (coconut and chana) plates (1kg each) Bibik 1-2 kgs Dodol approx 2 kgs ( 1 kg if simonia's) Sanna's (on the Friday flight) with fresh Sorpotel Pinaag 1 kg Cashew Seeds (roasted/salted/non roasted) 2-3 kgs Wine Sachets 10 pieces (non spillable) Mangoes (seasonal)3-4 kgs I also know of a friend who brought pato-eos (cant spell) those with rice coconut fillings Another friend I remember brought freshly fried BANGDAAS (rechead) about 15-20 packed in banana leaves and then silver foil. All this requires the Alluminium foil and the brown packing tape (which the Gulfees would carry) but now available in Mapusa and Margao. Feni/ Uraak/ Royal Stag is out as there are scanners near to where the customs officers are so everything goes checked they hardly bother about the quantity of PORK you carry in whichever form but if you got a bottle showing in the SCAN then all other stuff along with it is gone... one of my friends mother even brought the grinding stone...they call it...gunn sunno or something... - The identity of my correspondent is not important. What I am trying to do is verify the authenticity of his list. Awaiting some feedback from Gulf Goans so I can provide a database here for people interested in the Goa-to-Gulf Export business. Cecil da Practical Researcher == ==
[Goanet]IFFI WILL SEE SOME LIVE DEMONSTRATIONS
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## The Motorcycle Action Group (MAG) will launch a peaceful agitation against the helmet rule with demonstrations at the venue of the International Film Festival of India (IFFI) at Campal commencing on November 29th in protest against the undue harassment being meted out to two-wheeler riders across Goa by the police. A public meeting held at Panaji on Sunday 31st October and presided by MAG Convenor Premanand A. Lotlikar resolved to launch a intensive peaceful agitation to ensure that the Government finds a comprehensive solution to the helmet issue which has been haunting two-wheeler riders for over two decades. The police action is high-handed inview of the fact that the Goa Legislative Assembly on 29th July had unanimously resolved to set up a committee to study the helmet issue. Goa police should immediately stop harassing two-wheeler riders on village roads and state highways and as to National Highways should infact wait for the outcome of the high level committee chaired by Transport Minister Pandurang Madkaikar appointed by the Government to study the helmet issue as decided by the Goa Legislative Assembly in its last session. MAG Convenor Premanand A. Lotlikar expressed confidence that if there is a sincere crackdown on reckless, negligent and drunken driving the alarming rate of accidents will see a steep dive and that this has to be coupled by improving the conditions of our roads and by curbing the rampant corruption in the Police and transport departments. Mr. Lotlikar urged the Chief Minister to keep up to the categorical assurance given by him two years ago to a delegation of MAG in the presence of Transport Minister Pandurang Madkaikar and Santa Cruz MLA Victoria Fernandes that the government would make certain exemptions to the use of helmets. Mr. Cisto Dias said that the enforcement of the helmet rule had nothing to do with road safety but is a ploy by certain vested interests in connivance with the helmet manufacturer's lobby. Mr. Vaman Keni lamented that two-wheeler riders were being killed inspite of wearing helmets due to the apathy of the authorities to infuse traffic sense on our roads. Aires Rodrigues Ribandar
Re: [Goanet] Vote Kerry and save the world
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the flipside a litany of rhetoric will not convince anyone on Kerry's credentials either. Your litany of Kerry's campaign promises sound no different than any other politician running for any political office anywhere in the world - promise you the stars (not the celebrities he has in tow), if elected. Wrong! These are not a litany of empty promises. These are reasonable proposals that a liberal and progressive president will adobt by instinct. Some of Kerry's campaign promises you mentioned are also promised by Dubya. Wrong! Technologies and times will change and will force a change in policies. Yes. And John Kerry is better in this regard. He is not a stubborn, pigheaded ideologue. Among your list of Kerry's campaign promises, these are intangible and debatable. Wrong! Every single one of them is a concrete proposal with specific steps that would be taken. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]Lightening... and modems
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## For those in Goa... while the return-monsoons strike (there was lightening Monday evening), take care of your modems. You need to disconnect both the power supply and your telephone cable from your modem, whenever there's lightening. Even if your computer is off. FN Frederick Noronha (FN)Nr Convent Saligao 403511 GoaIndia Freelance Journalist P: 832-2409490 M: 9822122436 http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks http://fn.swiki.net http://www.ryze.com/go/fredericknoronha http://fn-floss.notlong.com Difficulties to send email across? Write to fredericknoronha at vsnl.net
[Goanet]GoanetReader -- Monserrate, in thy kingdom they come
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## MONSERRATE, IN THY KINGDOM THEY COME By Mario Cabral e SaThe Navhind Times, Oct 31, 2004 THE METAPHOR is indeed apt; political corruption is a cancer gnawing at the vitals of the country. Just as in the case of cancer, there is no cure. Nor is it an epidemic affecting only the poor nations. US, France, England, Canada, Australia too have it. To fight corruption we have devised (and kept devising schemes: the CVC (Central Vigilance Commission), the Lok Ayukta, PILs (public interest litigation) in the higher court, each of which is either vulnerable or rendered impotent. On their part, the oncologists have flirted with blockbuster drugs, but have since realised that tumours that look identical under the microscope are turning out to be very diverse when examined at the genetic and molecular levels, and require completely different treatments. So it is with political corruption. But here it is the supposed victim, the voter, who abets it. Election after election -- and the latest at Poinguinim was no exception -- clean candidates are proffered but the electorate seems to just spurn them. Atanasio (Babush) Monserrate, if hearing is believing, has surpassed in guile, money and muscle power all the dons Goa has known before. So, to Taleigao, his Kingdom, we went, on a Tuesday, the day anyone from his constituency with any problem -- physical, financial, legal or of any kind -- is welcome to his house. They spill over from the contiguous out-house; an improvised ante-chamber. A minion dispenses extra plastic chairs piled at corners, so that they don't tire standing up. But the stack of chairs are exhausted and there is barely standing space in the crowded pathways of his mansion, 'Casa Monserrate', and they shelter themselves as best as they can, under the shadow of trees and walls, holding parasols and shading their eyes with folded newspapers, even the documents they want to show as proof of their grievance. Do they have faith in their MLA? This would be a superfluous question. Eleven o'clock was my appointment, and at 11 sharp, a polite gentleman who happens to be the chairman of the Panaji Planning and Development Authority (Monserrate's main charge is Town Planning) escorts me to the parlour. Like everyone else, I take my shoes off and walk in socks. Out comes Babush, informally dressed, wearing clothes any male model would envy to display on the ramp, gracefully apologises for the two minute delay. Two other visitors, of status obviously, one of them Dr Britto, of the much written -- and spoken -- about casino Chances, and soon to operate (his confirmation) the Turkish ship Kappadocia anchored at the Mandovi (more on that later) are requested by the host, Please wait a few minutes (it turned out to be 45 minutes or so said my watch). If personal experience is to be my yardstick, Monserrate, no doubt, is a charmer. How did he wean away Isidore from the Congress? Actually, the proposal (to do an Isidore) had come to me from Luizinho. So I used the idea on Isidore, who is my friend. Are you that staunch a BJP supporter? I am not staunch. I don't subscribe to their ideologies. I am for development. I think Parrikar is doing a good job. Later, I can't say. I'm not saying Parrikar won't be there. First of all, people will decide if I'll be there or won't be there. If I feel (like supporting him then) fine. Indeed, I comment, in politics there are no permanent friends, nor permanent enemies. Only permanent interests. What are his interests? My permanent interest is my constituency. And Goa? I don't even peep out of the (Taleigao) border. Does he aspire to be the CM? No, not at all. I'm quite happy (with the position and the job satisfaction). So, he has no all-Goa ambitions, neither an all-Goa vision. For now, make no mistake. I had told Parrikar, I'll support you even if your government falls. I'll stay with you. I'll sit in the opposition. Perhaps I came into politics by mistake. But next election everything will be over. Then, what? He hadn't thought of it, yet. There is still time. He reminds one of the connoisseur savouring his vintage wine, enjoying one sip at a time. Money power, muscle power, how much of either or both did he use in Poinguinim? Now, they (the Congress) started voicing it. They started it because they are afraid of their High Command. Helping some one in need, that's different. I'm Isidore's friend. But (the charge) is totally false. Did you have any roots in Poinguinim? None. It was only moral support. But for 15 days you were camping there, doing nothing else. I never deviated from
Re: [Goanet]Dabolim Airport Debate
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Philip Thomas wrote: This pervasive military picture is much more than what the Navy's public relations pieces in the media have led us to believe so far. To me there doesnt seem much scope for a winding down of the military presence at Dabolim Airport, Yenkebe/Seabird or no Yenkebe/Seabird. Aren't these two separate issues, which are getting mixed up -- the Navy's (Coast Guard, IAF etc) need and the actual ownership rights and history of Dabolim? Would one justify riding roughshod over the other? I don't think Philip Thomas is looking at the many dimensions involved in this issue, but in trying to see the practicality of what's involved, might be hurrying towards a solution that isn't really one. Is the response of our politicians so far been one that the military tends to be seen as a sacred cow, both in this country and in most parts of the globe, as we've also noticed after the Tehelka expose? FN
[Goanet]Vacancy
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear All, Vacancy exits in our organisation for a Civil Engg. (possibly for a period of 6 months) Experience in Reinf. detailing w/ AutoCAD exp. a must. Anyone knowing/doing similar job in Goa and can get a layoff for this period of time can avail of this opportunity. Also people in the UAE looking out for similar position can Fax your CV on +97143474746 For details plz write/email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with sub: Vacancy. hAVE a nICE dAY!! Seb For more info. www.unitedprecast.com
[Goanet]Mozambique and Goa (Goan Observer)
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## A LITTLE GOA IN SOUTH AFRICA By Constantino Hermanns Xavier in Goan Observer, Saturday, October 30, www.goanobserver.com WE ARE moving eastwards on our global lusophone tour, to our sixth stop. Though located on another continent and separated by a large ocean, Mozambique is closely connected with Goa throughout history. With the Portuguese controlling the Indian Ocean, Goans started early in the commerce of wood, tea, coffee, spices and cinnamon in the Goa-Mozambique-Lisbon triangle. From the 16th h century onwards they were also extremely important in consolidating Portugal's control over the hinterland. Mozambique until 1752 was under the administration which was based in Goa. Wave Of Migrants It was in the 19 th h century that presented Goans with a golden era in Mozambique. The new wave of migrants included not only administrative officers, lawyers, doctors, engineers, but also fishermen, craftsmen and traders. Jose Vincente da Gama, from Saligão, is said to be the author of the first printed book in Mozambique, published in 1859. Manuel António de Sousa, from Mapusa (1835-1904?), who was Lord of Gorongoza and Sena, captain of Barue, Manica and Quiteve, owned four prazos (large proprieties) and several hundred slaves. After studying in Rachol, he left to Mozambique and married into the main families of Mozambique, thus inheriting endless properties. He was also important in the Portuguese military conquests, defeating the local leader Gungunhana. For this the Portuguese royal family gave him several titles and awards. His statue used to mark Mapusa's entry point, until it was removed during the 1961 events. There are thousands of other Goans who have lived and worked in Mozambique in that period. Pedro Francisco Pereira, from Gavorim, Salcete, who had a prazo North of Tete (his will is dated 1829), and was closely related to António Mariano da Cunha, another Goan who was Governor of Quelimane. Thomaz José Peres later held the same post. He was the son of the only Goan to govern Goa Prefeito Bernardo Peres da Silva. Yet Another Renaissance THE 20 th century was witness to yet another renaissance of the Goan presence. Mário Viegas, who was born and brought up in Mozambique, currently lives in Lisbon and is editor of the local Goan magazine Voz do Oriente . He estimates that by the middle of the century there will be around 20 000 Goans in the region of Beira, 12 000 in the capital Lourenço Marques (now Maputo) and some 5 000 spread all over the country. He recalls Fr. Cirilo Vicente Constantino Saldanha, from Saligão, parishioner of Quelimane, who in the 1920's was a great social activist. The agronomist Alberto de Santana Quadros from Nicoadala excelled in his experiments with cashew and fruit culture. Later on there was also an eminent Goan industrialist called Abílio dos Remédios Furtado. Socorro-born D. Altino Ribeiro de Santana was the Bishop of Beira in the latter part of his life, city where he died in 1973. Goans were also very active in the local press. Luís Vicente Álvares and Tomás Aquinas Álvares published O Oriente , a Catholic weekly, which defended the re-establishment of the blocked flow of remittances to Goa in the aftermath of the first World War. António Miranda, with A Luz , and Francisco Xavier Bragança with O Indo-Português , launched a staunch campaign against the Bishop of Augusta who had established the religious Colégio Europeu where non-white people were not accepted. And there was Elo , a monthly where younger Goans would keep in literary touch and express their thoughts and feelings. Its directors were the brothers Max and Ricardo Fernandes, while the founders included architect Aires and Vasco Dinis, Aurélio Augusto Fernandes, Mário Nazareth, Domingos Silveira and Joaquim de Sousa. How did the Goan community organize itself? In Lourenço Marques, the capital, a group headed by Manuel Adriano de Sousa founded the Instituto Goano (later Casa de Goa) in 1905. In this city there was also the Associação União Indiana and the Associação de Mútuo Auxílio dos Operários Goanos and the Clube Desportivo Indo-Português. Four other associations emerged in Beira. Mário Viegas recalls that food habits were diverse, mixing the Goan culinary tradition with Indian, Chinese, Italian, Greek and of course African gastronomy. This reflects also, to a certain degree, the fluid interaction with other ethnic groups. Though living apart from the rest of society, Goans integrated easily than the Portuguese coming from Lisbon. There were no rigid racial
[Goanet]Bad news for Bush!
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Redskins loss bad news for Bush Mon 1 November, 2004 03:12 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Washington Redskins have lost their final home football game before the U.S. presidential election -- and that's great news for Democratic Senator John Kerry and bad news for President George W. Bush. In every presidential election since 1936, the Redskins' last home game has accurately predicted the winner. If they win, the incumbent president's party wins. If they lose, the challenger wins. The Redskins lost to Green Bay 28-14 on Sunday and Kerry quickly celebrated. I think it's a good tradition to follow, Kerry told reporters on his campaign plane. I think the country should stay with tradition, don't you? In a written statement released earlier, he said he was thrilled with the Packers win. The Packers have done their part, this Tuesday I'll do mine. Bush campaign spokesman Scott Stanzel dismissed the notion that the result was a good omen for Kerry. After today's victory, we're confident Packer fans across Wisconsin will be excited to go out and vote for the candidate who understands the 'frozen tundra of Lambeau' is not a dessert item in an expensive French restaurant, Stanzel said. Fans sometimes call the Green Bay team's home Lambeau Field -- named for the man who founded the team -- the frozen tundra. Kerry recently mistakenly referred to the stadium as Lambert Field. http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=QAYIXWKX3WQ4UCRBAEKSFFA?type=oddlyEnoughNewsstoryID=6670293section=news
[Goanet]Goa's fun image....
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## This is what I heard from a reliable source. At a recent male-only retreat by an Indian company in a renowned 5 start hotel, 100 male members were supplied with 100 young girls as companions for the evening. The girls turned out to be local teenage girls from the surrounding villages. (Hey, way to make easy money; takes care of the shopping needs of the teenage girls). I think it is time Goa legalize and regulate prostitution. regards, Samir Kelekar Headline: Goa's 'fun' image in no danger Byline: An attempt to present the 'other' face of Goa did not gather support from the Union Minister of Tourism, Renuka Chowdhary at the Goa Mahotsav held in Delhi. BY DEVIKA SEQUEIRA Source: Deccan Herald. 30 October 2004 at: http://67.18.142.206/deccanherald/oct302004/n8.asp Full text: Mr Dessai's characteristic remarks were not the only glitch at the poorly organised Delhi event. An 80-member dance troupe that travelled all the way from Goa ended up performing before an audience of barely 20 persons at the Siri Fort Auditorium as Goan officials had forgotten to send out invitations. The Susegado tag rarely leaves Goans even if they travel outside Goa. Another disaster is around the corner. Hope i am proved wrong this time:-) Seb
[Goanet]Pls Help out
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## From: Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Goanet]Mario Cabral e Sa's flight. Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:01:04 +1000 (EST) My dear Gabriel, Basilio and friends-at-large. Need your help: Lyrics of two-three hymns to St. Francis Xavier. We are celebrating the feast, in Stockholm, Sunday, Dec 5. I have promissed the choir that I will get the lyrics and music of the hymns. Both, in English and Konkni; we'll sing in Konkni, but for them to get an idea of what they are chanting, would be good to have words in English as well. Can the notes be sent over internet? If not pls post, since there is time. Liby, see if you can find some cassete, CD. Perhaps Pilar. Or, Emiliano? Gabriel, Thank you very much for your offer to send me your dear Papa's music arrangement. I would love to have and looking forward for the pleasure. Alfred de Tavares, Maltesholmsvagen 83, 1tr,. SE-165 55 HASSELBY, Sweden. Tel: 0046 8 7596214; mobile: 0046 70 295 4091 _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/
[Goanet]TRUE STORY : THIS WAS A VERY SHORT WEDDING
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## At a recent wedding which my friend was attending, which was in full swing, the father of the bride was out on the dance floor slightly drunk and dancing like a madman when he discovered that his wallet had fallen out of his jacket which contained a large amount of money ($2000 )to pay for the catering and a cheque for his daughter and son in law. A frantic search by everyone failed to find the wallet which distressed the father and family. At the end of the night everybody put in some money to pay for the reception and the wedding party left for their honeymoon a little depressed and sad that someone had stolen the wallet which could have been any of there friends. The next day the cleaners found the wallet under some rubbish in the fake pot plant with all the money missing. Two weeks later on the return of the couple from there honeymoon they went to their parents house to watch the wedding video with all their family. It was when they were watching the video part of the reception that the daughter picked up the fact that the wallet was lying on the edge of the dance floor and someone had picked it up and had moved to the side and was removing the money then hiding it under the plant. It was then, when on closer inspection that the person who had stolen the money was no other than the GROOM. THIS WAS A VERY SHORT WEDDING __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
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## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## D' PIETRO: KONKANI BHAXECHO ZUZARI Fankivont Konkani Boroinnar, potrakar ani kadamborikar Bab Bonaventure D'Pietro haka hea vorsacho 'Antonio Pereira Konknni Puroskar 2004' favo zala. Ho puroskar taka Mumboicho, Padri Casmiro D'Mello anik ek vhodd konkani bhaxecho bokht hanchea hatintlean eka vhodd dobhajean Porvore dongrar 'Thomas Stephens Kendre' hanga hea mhoineanche 25ver divpant ailo. Hea dhobajeak tea vellar konkani bhaxeche mogi, namneche boroinnar, tiatrist, Padri ani her Pietro-che borem magpi thuim khub hajir asle. Bonaventure D'Pietrochi hanvem konnak ani kherit ponnim konkani bhaxecheam mogiank ollokh korun diunk zai oxem mhaka disona. Konkani mollar tannem aplem jivit zoroilem, korpailem, ul'pailem ani uchara bhailo vavr korun dovorlo. Heach tachea mahan vavra khatir taka ho puroskar favo zata. Hea puroskara vangdda taka Rs. 25,000/- (ponchvis hoza) duddvanchem bokxis favo zata. Tankam ho inam mevlo dekun zaiteam romi borovpeank khub anond zalo, karann ho inam tankam ani tanchea vavra khatir favo aslo dekun. Aplo faiddo pollenastana ani rinnache dongor ubhe zatat tanchi fikir legun korinastana ho konkani bhaxecho bokht aple avoi bhaxe pasot tan-mon laun dis-rat vavrot ravla ani azun meren vavrot asa. Apli khas arthik poristhiti legun kitli gombhir asa tichi porvakorinastana tannem apleo kadamboreo khudd prokaxit keleat ani oxe toren konkani bhaxecho dorzo vaddonk ani tika unchlo man mellonk aplem jivit korchilam mhonnlear hanv otitai adharchonam oxem mhaka dista. Inam vanttchea vellar aplea uloupan Bonaventure Bab eka ummaleanim bhorlelea kallzan oso udhgarlo : Ek lekh borounk kivam ek kadambori borounk ek sompem kam, punn ti kadambori prokaxit korunk ek sompem kam nhoi. Zaite pautt mhaka mhojeo kadambori prokaxit kortana eke baunterak pavil'le ostore bhaxen bhoglam. Zoxe porim ti porsud zanvcho vell pavtoch bobo-ueli marun 'naka saiba - anik naka' mhonnta, toslem kitem tori mhaka bhoglam. Punn borovp ani boroilelem prokaxit korop zaun asa mhojem dusrem soimbh, dekun he nimnnea vellar attavitte bhogtat tanchi porva korinastana hanv ekar-ek korun sabar kadambori ani pustokam borovn prokaxit korit ravlam. Zaite zan godiek mhaka 'PISO' oxem mhonnntelet, zo butt laglo tori-i xikon xanno zaina. Punn, vhoi, hanv ek maim bhaxechea mogan piso zal'lo. Mhojea bhurgea ponnar mhaka iad asa, thodde pautt kadambori xaptana, kagda khatir favo te duddu xapkhaneachea mallokak legun diunk mhoje lagin bolsant domddi asonasli. Ani oslea vellar hanvem te duddu ubhe korunk ani mallokak diunk mhojea kaim khasgi legun vostu orddea mallak vikun kaddleat, itleach karonnak ki mhoji kadambori xaponn toer zanvchi ani ti xapkhanneant lovot urona zaunk he nodrent. Bonaventuran konkani bhaxen sabar kadambori boroileat ani inama zoddleant. Zoxe porim, 'Soitanacho Ghutt' 1958, 'Kallea Vistidachi Choli' 1072, Clara, Mhojea Paicho Fondd 1974, From Goa With Love 1975, Terra numbrachi kottri (mottveo kotha) Mog vo Patok 1976. 'Ek Bhett Mungllurche Xarak' 1977, Mhaka Jieunk Diat 1984, Tichea Mornna Uprant 1990, Nazarethkar 2000, ani 'Songit Doulot Goenkaranchi' 2004. Dalgado Konkani Akademi hanchea asrea khala tanchi novi kadambori 'Janya Celi' hea vorsa dezembr mhoinneant uzvaddak ietli. Fuddarak aplem ek atm-choritr (autobiography) uzvaddak haddunk tachi fuddli ievzonn asa. Hantun to Goenchem bodoltem rup ani soimb aplea bhurgeaponnar savu aiz meren dekhot aila tachem vornon korunk axeta. 61 vorsanche piraier tacho mog aple maim bhaxe sovem kosoch komi zaunk nam. Zorui tachi bholaiki zoborxi taka aplo sangat dina ani oskotai ubi zata torui konkani bhaxe pasot kitem-i korunk to aiz meren raji asa. Ek missionar kos to dis rat konkani bhaxe pasot vavurta, mhaka disona amche modem tache sarke zaite asot xe. Konkani bhaxe vixim uloun to oxem sangta Avoi bapaini apleam bhurgeank konkani bhaxen borounk ut'tejon diunk zai. Tannim vavrun konkani bhaxen borovp korunk goroz, borovp sam'manea lokank manvota ani somzota toxem asunk goroz. Oxe toren konkani bhas soglleank avddichi korunk zata. Konkani bhas amchi khori osmitai, zorui tor ti ami vibaddli zalear sogllem sandtellem. Bonaventure Pietro Babak sogllem borem ies anvddetam. Daniel F. de Souza. *** Daniel F. de Souza Konkani Writer Freelance Journalist C/3, IInd Floor, Elvira Apts, Vasco - Goa 403 802 INDIA. Tel: + 91-832-2510714 Mob: 9822163329 e-mail :[EMAIL PROTECTED] :[EMAIL PROTECTED]
