Re: [Goanet]Chris Vaz's comment
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[Goanet]Is Goanet 'Everything Included',too?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear Fred, You cannot take a vote on Aldona net and apply it to Goanet anymore than you can any than you can take the vote in Denmark and apply it to USA. Or take the Panchayat vote and apply it to the whole state legislature[ Aldona net covers a panchayat area.] There is a difference in size and location and type of persons involved. Aldona net has a low frequency of posting. The the volumes increase ,I am a votary of allowing postings of what would be [ or should be ]off topic on Goanet.The fact that 13 out of 18 messages in a Goanet DIGEST were on USA elections is hard to Digest...given its own rules! Viva Goa. Long live Bush wars. Miguel - Original Message - From: Frederick Noronha(FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem is that people would like *us* to implement the rules when *it suits them* and not implement the rules *when it doesn't*. If I recall right, you too were arguing *against* a strict implementation of the on-topic rule, albeit in another context and on another list ;-) Please cast your vote, once and for all, on whether you would prefer a strict implementation of rules (at all times) or not. This would mean no compromise on the no-commercial posts rule, sticking to the proper language, and following the other rules. But then, even if a vote is taken, one could always come back to argue that the participation in the polling was too low ;-) Personally, I feel that occasional exceptions are acceptable, provided one does not over-do it. After all, a bitterly-fought, closely-watched US election doesn't come by every-day, and there are quite a few Goanetters who will be casting their votes as we nocturnal animals pound the keyboard. What do the other Goanetters feel on this point? FN
[Goanet]Re: From Paulo Colaco Dias - APOLOGIZE WITHDRAW Mr Correia
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear Paulo, I sent a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] asking to stop the post but it bounced. I apologize for the rushed post. It was not deliberate to malign you. It's just that this Bernando character seems elusive. The post was sort of a query and didn't categorically say that Bernando and Paulo are INDEED one and the same person. It was an assumption, and you agree with it, but a wrong one on my part. If it has offended you, I am indeed sorry. But coming to the next point, you say that the Bernando person is real, but you are not able to find him among Goans in Macau and UK. Others believe he is a fake. I am not sure what makes you so sure that Bernando is a real person and exists. Once again, Paulo the intention was to get an answer and not to malign you. Eugene --- Goan Voices [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Dr. José Colaço [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Dr. José Colaço [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Paulobab I am FWDing your mail as requested by you. I do not know the e-mail of Mr. Eugene Correia. I tried [EMAIL PROTECTED] (the email for him, given to me by Rt Wing Pubbie lady ) but that does NOT work. Hence I am trying to post this on GoaNet Goa-Goans. (I know that there are lurkers on both d-lists) Hopefully, one of the d-lists will attract the attention of Mr. Eugene Correia. Hope this post is NOT censored (;-) OF LATE, like Mr. Eugene Correia, amche Goans are beginning to ASSUME that you (generic) said this and that. IF ONLY they would READ the original text. On another matter, I am sorry that you have walked away from GoaNet. That is what the Fox was hoping. Then ONLY Two-Tones would have their say. I invite you to return and fight the foxes. good wishes jc From : Paulo Colaco Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jose or GoaNet-Admin: I do not have the current email address for Eugene Correia, so, I would appreciate if you could forward this email from me to him: --- Message for Eugene Correia --- Eugene, I am not subscribed to Goanet since few months now. This has come to my notice from Jose Colaco from the Bahamas. I am extremely offended and concerned that my name has been linked to Bernado Colaco. You do not have the right to assume the link and definitely not have the right to make your assumptions public in a public forum like GoaNet. I have lost all the respect I had for you. I thought you were a respectful journalist. I was wrong. I hope you can apologise publicly and cc to me, since I no longer have the time for GoaNet. On another note, I have reasons to believe Bernado is a real person. I do not know him and do not know anyone who knows him either in Macau or UK. Yes, I did try to trace him amongst the Goans in Macau but nobody knows him. Also, he is not in the phone book of Macau (which is available on the internet). However, that does not give anyone the right to claim I am impersonating him. I repeat, you do not have the right to link my name to the likes of Bernado Colaco. I have a reputation and I am extremely offended that you have made your stupid assumptions public! Please apologise and withdraw your most unfortunate comment immediately. Paulo Colaco Dias. --- End of message for Eugene Correia - __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Peter DeSouza on terrorism
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Peter DSouza writes: Yes, most of us didn't see them. People on the planes which crashed into the WTC and the Pentagon got to see some of them. There's a fellow named Osama who had been around before the Iraq war. People in Israel get to Lest we forget, Osama is very much an American creation. It is well-known that Osama learnt the tricks of the trade via American arms and finance. 1993, ... My point is that the war didn't transform peace-loving folks into mass murderers. That is a key point which I am debating. There are enough reports to indicate that the anti-American sentiments world-wide has increased massively after the unilateral attack on Iraq. Now if you are saying that none of this sentiment is going to turn people into taking up arms, then you must be assuming everyone the world over is like GoaNet subscribers: all talk only. We have seen it in Israel/Palestine. No 17 year old takes to arms and goes for a suicide attack just like that. We have seen it happen in India too as a fallout of the Gujarat riots. Common men and women have got stirred to resort to terrorist attacks. The point is: terrorists are not born. They happen due to one reason or the other. And Bush's unilateral unprovoked attack on Iraq sure would be one reason for more to turn to terrorism. What about 1000 American casualties? Going by how things are going, these are only going to increase in the next four years, it looks like. Maybe, maybe not. Remember what was said about Afghanistan. It's worth waiting to see the eventual outcome of the war. Sure let us wait and see. I don't understand how spending a premium of $100 billion per year can make economic sense. Your argument seems to stem from skepticism more than reality. . It is not my argument; it is Bush's logic for attacking Iraq. America. Why do we hear so little about the 19% of Americans for whom terrorism is the key issue and so much more about religion being the main factor? That is an interesting point. What you are essentially saying is that people voted Bush because they feel that his so-called war on terrorism is making America a safer place. My take on this point is that turning American into a fortress could make it safer; however, Americans would be more threatened once they leave America; of course, other issues such as respect for international law etc haven't been dealt here. regards, Samir Kelekar
[Goanet]FROM SANSAD - Request solidarity, encouragement: SANSAD completes 12 years
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear friends; As you have already come to know, SANSAD is holding a special evening on November 6 to mark twelve years of its existence. Over the years we have been inspired by, and have benefited from the support from, very many personalities and people's organizations working in all the countries of South Asia, in the South Asian Diasporic communities in North America, Europe, and elsewhere, who have been upholding and struggling for the principles of social justice, pluralism, democracy, secularism, peace, anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-castism, anti-colonialism, anti-imperialism. We know that you would not be able to join us on this occasion, but we will be very appreciative if you could send us a few words of support and solidarity, to reach us before Saturday, November 6. We will read them out at our event. And we will get the valuable inspiration and encouragement to carry forward our work. We started soon after the Babri Masjid demolition in 1992, as Non Resident Indians for Secularism and Democracy (NRISAD); but as our work in the local community expanded we had to rename ourselves as South Asian Network for Secularism and Democracy (SANSAD). Today, the 24 members of the Board of Directors of SANSAD include women and men from Bangladesh, India, Nepal, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka. There are also people of South Asian origin who came to Canada from Africa and South-East Asia, as well as young men and women who were practically born here from parents of South Asian origin. Among us are people born/raised in every religious faith practiced in the sub-continent, as well as people with Dalit identity. The age-spectrum of our Bd. members is from mid-twenties to late-seventies. We are a small bunch, but filled with energy, dedication, and strong resolve. We look forward to receiving your words of solidarity, support and encouragement. Hari Sharma President SANSAD, [EMAIL PROTECTED] SANSAD completes 12 years Twelve years of struggles for secularism, democracy, social justice, economic wellbeing, peace in the sub-continent, friendship between the peoples and countries of South Asia Twelve years of defending the rights of women, dalits, workers, peasants, religious and other minorities Twelve years of building bridges between diverse sections of South Asian Diaspora living in the Vancouver area And twelve years of solidarity with the people of the world fighting colonialism, occupations, aggressive wars and economic domination Come and join us for an evening of togetherness To celebrate our past, to consolidate our present, and to resolve for our future Saturday, November 6, 2004, 6 p.m. India Abroad Restaurant 3075 Kingsway (one block east of Rupert), Vancouver poetry, songs, a full-course gourmet Indian dinner, and a no-host bar Key-note Speaker: Mr. Harsh Mander from India Harsh Mander's name should be familiar to anyone who has closely followed the political scene of India, especially after the Gujarat genocide of 2002. As a senior IAS Officer (Civil Servant), he witnessed the carnage carried out with the full support of the state machinery. He resigned from his coveted post, and became an activist, a campaigner, for saving the democratic and secular fabric of the country. He is currently the National Director of ActionAid India. He has authored numerous articles and two books: Cry My Beloved Country (Rainbow Publishers) and Unheard Voices: Stories of Forgotten Lives (Penguin). He was the recipient of M A. Thomas National Human Rights Award in 2002. * SOUTH ASIAN NETWORK FOR SECULARISM AND DEMOCRACY phone: 604-420-2972, fax: 604-420-2970, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], website: www.sansad.org
Re: [Goanet]Go for Wine - By Tara Narayan
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some say wine triggers off headaches, especially red wine (which has something called tyramine which is supposed to contract blood vesssels in a hurry), but I judge for myself...bad wine generally wakes me up in the morning with a granddaddy of a headache and feeling rotten! But good wine, sipped slowly through the evening, inspires no headaches. I have been informed by a vintner here that the sources of headaches are usually due to the higher content of Sulphur Dioxide present in the wine, as a result of the chemical being added to the grapes to prevent premature fermentation. This is usually the case in the cheaper wines, when the last of the pressings are processed at the very end, the top-class wines being processed first. I really don't know whether to believe this or not, but I do know that if I have a measure from a wine costing less than AUD10.00 a bottle, I'll end up with a dull headache for the rest of the afternoon. Mind you, some good vintages can be had for a lower price, but one must know one's brand! Cheers, Gabriel. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Bargain Fares FROM Goa
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## RE: Eddie Fernandes' of Nov 4 on the subject You listed over a dozen special fares of Air Sahara. Are all of them equally applicable to the Goa sector as they presumably are to Sahara's other domestic sectors? Likewise for the special fares of the other big domestic carriers. In general, what are the chances that one can get a bargain fare to/from Goa on domestic carriers or are they like needles in the proverbial haystack? Thanks.
[Goanet]Re: George Pinto on Civil Rights in the USA - II
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George, You're misinformed. The CRA passed because of Republicans and in spite of the Democrats.. According to the Congressional Quarterly, 82% of Senate Republicans voted for it, while only 69% of Democrats did. In the House, 80% of Republicans voted for it and only 61% of Democrats did. Peter, No, I am not misinformed in this matter. Your statistics above are a Fox News, right-wing talk radio version of events. By quoting percentages, you give the impression that the Republicans were a greater number. The fact is 46 Democractic Senators voted for the Civil Rights Act versus 27 Republicans. In the House of Representatives, 152 Democrats and 138 Republicans voted for it. It is actual votes and not percentages which matters. The Republican percentage seem higher because they were represented a smaller number of the total. I just wanted to point out Peter's skewing the facts (intentionally?). In addition, President Kennedy and President Lyndon Johnson (both Democrats) fought for this legislation under which many Goans in the USA today benefit. They should be grateful to them and Martin Luther King. For the record, I am a registered Independent and not a Democrat. In the last few days my intention has been to point out the repeated distortions and half-truths put out by people who get their news from Fox News and talk radio and smear good people like John Kerry. Regards, George
[Goanet]Marry a Canadian
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Nov. 5, 2004. 01:00 AM `We're moving. Canada is looking pretty good right now' ALEXANDER PANETTA CANADIAN PRESS OTTAWACanada's immigration website is being flooded with a record-smashing number of visits from Americans dismayed by the prospect of four more years living under President George W. Bush. A new record was set within hours of Bush's acceptance speech when six times more Americans than usual surfed the site Wednesday. The overall number of 179,000 visitors was almost twice the previous one-day record set last year. And 64 per cent of the visitors 115,016 were from the United States. Many were doing more than just casual surfing, a spokesperson for Citizenship and Immigration suggested. The most-visited pages ... were the skilled worker online self-assessment pages (to check if) they'd meet the selection criteria, said Maria Iadinardi. Applying and intent are two different things, she said. We're only going to see this about six months from now. Americans moving to Canada must deal with the same rules as other immigrants including the $500 application fee, the $975 landing tax, and the six- to 12-month wait. The waiting time is shorter if you're married to a Canadian, for which help is available at http://www.marryanamerican.ca, a Canadian satirical site also being inundated by visitors. A Google search under the terms, move to Canada + Bush turns up more than 8,000 Web pages including chat groups and at least one opinion poll asking frustrated liberals whether they'd consider fleeing. About 60 per cent replied `Yes' to leaving in the tongue-in-cheek poll of more than 1,000 on CBS's Chicago affiliate website. One American who lives in Brooklyn says many people in the U.S. now feel they identify more with Canada than their own country. I'm not alone, said Chris Walsh, a native of New Hampshire married to a Canadian. The first thing people said to me when I went to walk my dog in the park this morning was: `We're moving to Canada.' People are very disillusioned, and Canada is looking pretty good right now. A mock map of North America circulated on the Internet illustrated an expanded Canada. The lingering rump of pro-Democrat states namely the Great Lakes area, and the East and West coasts would be carved into a larger new country called the United States of Canada. The rest of the continent was left alone in a new entity named, Jesusland. Prime Minister Paul Martin tossed his arms wide open yesterday to aspiring immigrants from the United States. But he joked they shouldn't expect preferential treatment just because they're neighbours. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
[Goanet]Paying Guests in Goa
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Source: The Times (UK), 6 Nov. 2004 at http://travel.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,10209-1345698_1,00.html Stephen McClarence relished his homestays in Jaipur and Goa. Excerpts: Most Indian tourist centres have homestay houses. Their owners set aside a bedroom or two for paying guests, who share their meals and, if they want to, their day-to-day lives. Woking-based [UK] Munjeeta Travel, for instance, has a network of 50 Indian families who play host for about £20 a night. They will meet the guests at the railway station or airport and take them round and show them the sights and the culture, says Jogi Sohal, the retired engineer who set up the company. And they'll also take them to the market, show them how to cook and generally show them their way of life. It's a chance to see India through the eyes of Indians. . We move on to Goa: it is lush, green, with marvellous beaches, friendly people, and, in Prashant Maurya, a guide keen to show it all off. Maurya, who runs the India Invites travel company, gives us an exemplary tour of Good-Time Goa's attractions. We see vast, dazzling white churches and old towns that could be Tennessee Williams stage sets. We have a sunset beer at Fat Willy's Beach Shack. We see a spice plantation, but give the prawn cultivation farm a miss. We retreat to our lodgings, near the quiet village of Loutulim. It's one of Goa's Ancestral Homes, a sprawling, tropical ranch with shuttered windows, where the Miranda family has lived since 1755. Its 27 rooms are packed with antique porcelain, crystal chandeliers, wind-up gramophones and, in the guest room, a comfortable four-poster bed. Carmen Miranda (she's used to the jokes) has run it as a homestay for five years. Guests share meals with her and her parents, Antonino and Margarida, both doctors. The family takes guests to Goa's (frequent) parties, and serves fine, light curries, though we decline the local delicacy, made from pickled pig's brains and liver. We soon settle into the reassuring rhythm of country life. At 5.30am, the baker will come - bang on the gate - to deliver the bread, says Carmen. And then the fish woman will come round with her basket on her head . . . We leave reluctantly, telling our driver, in his Leonardo DiCaprio T-shirt, that in Jaipur we shared meals with Shashi Kapoor. Shashi Kapoor? he exclaims, wide-eyed with amazement. Hero! Hero! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.782 / Virus Database: 528 - Release Date: 23/10/2004
[Goanet]gift coupons
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Does anyone know if there are restaurants in Goa which offer gift coupons that can be given - of course as gifts?!! --Helga
Re: [Goanet]Are YOU really interested in supporting GOAN WRITERS ?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Hi Rene, If you are interested in promoting this Goan writer as well as others here is a suggestion: When you as well as the multitude of Goan Associations scattered all over the globe hold your Annual Goa Day you could buy copies of books by these writers and give them away as prizes for competitions. Like other prizes these could be financially supported by a sponsor. And long with the umpteen number of pickles, recheio, para and bolinhas that are sold at these events maybe you could sell these books too with some young literary kid who has read all the books of course (that might be hard to find!!!) holding forth in the booth. This would give the writers a great deal of exposure not only with older Goans who attended the BLAST in Toronto but also with the younger kids. Like with everything else literature is a personal taste - people can choose between Bebinca or Ben. My second suggestion is that Ben's fans can donate a few copies of his books to the libraries of village schools in Goa. That's after the readers have made sure its kid safe! If not then there is the Panjim library soon to move to Patto. As for as I am concerned I am content to read Fred's or other critiques on Goan literature that appear on the goanet and make a decision about whether I want to read the book or not. --Helga do Rosario Gomes I have TEN Books * Images of Goa * sent to me by Ben Antao. They are for sale here in London at the cost of Pounds Ten. each. Are YOU really interested in supporting GOAN WRITERS ? Then Join the The Goan International Writers Workshop : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGoanInternationalWritersWorkshop/
[Goanet]Casa de Goa -PORTUGAL - Goan unity and togetherness ,that are the cornerstones of World Goa Day.
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## - Original Message - From: Virginia.B.Gomes Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 2:35 PM Dear Rene: Following my previous mails, just a short message to let you know that we will be associating the celebration of World Goa Day to the 150th anniversary of the Lyceum Afonso de Albuquerque tomorrow, the 6th of November. The celebration, promoted by Casa de Goa, will take place at the Mosteiro de Jersnimos and it will involve a Mass during which all the goan musical groups in Lisbon will sing parts of the liturgy, a conference by professor Maria de Jesus Martires Lopes and a cocktail in the cloisters. Since many goans were students of the Lyceum and for even to those who were not, the Lyceum is an academic and emotional point of reference, we expect a huge participation form the goan community and also of the portuguese who were in some way connected to the Lyceum and we feel the celebration is in the real spirit of goan unity and togetherness, that are the cornerstones of World Goa Day. Maria Virginia 0
Re: [Goanet]Re: Cardinal Valeriano Gracias!
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Frankly, I can't understand what Bernando is driving at. Such drivel. eugene --- Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Sr. Eugénio, It is true what you remark ie.: death to Goa since 61. Please tell your buddies in Canada to join hands to end indian colonial rule. While there are slithering snakes in snowy Canada, Goans have to bear the brunt of walking on rocks and then clamour for Portuguese citizenship. Like they now say atam amka meuta Portuguese passport(that is emancipation for ya). And with reference to the cardinal, I am not challenging his cardinality it is his emotions that were involved in sending Goa to the dark pits that is called bharat! I do not understand what you mean by labour for Portuguese culture. May be it is your chappies in Canada with the chal yaar culture are now searching for the Portuguese roots! Chal! B. Colaço Sr. Bernando, the mystery man ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Re: Cardinal Gracias
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Bernando saying that Cardinal Gracias supported India's takeover because of his lust for power shows how misguided and misunderstood he is regarding Goa's liberation history. Bernando must get his head examined by a reputed doctor. As for Dr. Simon and Cardinal Gracias, both didn't see eye to eye. It was fair that Dr. Simon, being more of a politician himself besides being a newspaperman as editor of Goa Times and Goan Tribune, was looking at the church in a critical way. Dr. Simon tried to give religious touch to the Opinion Poll issue with his adventure at Cross Maidan. A political rally explaining the cons of pro-merger would be ideal but doctorbab went another route. He was guilty in this respect. I doubt if Cardinal Gracias supported Goa's merger with Maharashtra. It is not known if VP Naik exerted pressure on the Cardinal but it was obvious that the Maharashtra government was not happy with such a show that Dr. Simon conducted. As we know, Bandodkar was in favour of merger. Both he and Naik enjoyed a great friendship. On the merger issue, another doctor and politician, Leon D'Souza, supported the merger. So, can we say that Dr. D'Souza was a traitor to the Goan cause? Would Bernando or the man behind the mask castigate Dr. D'Souza the same way he has been doing to Cardinal Gracias? Dr. D'Souza, no matter what poltical colours he wore, like Cardinal Gracias, is a leading light among the Goans. Father and son, Alban and Leon, became mayors of Bombay, and Leon later a minister and Rajya Sabha MP. I need to reread Antonio's as usual lenghty and exhaustive post. But like Bernando, Antonio's bias has been all too visible in his postings on Goa vis-a-vis India and Portugal. Eugene Correia Genuine name and genuine person who wouldn't hide under the cover of an assumed name. __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
[Goanet]re: -From Paulo Colaco Dias - APOLOGIZE WITHDRAW Mr Correia
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear Paulobab I am FWDing your mail as requested by you. I do not know the e-mail of Mr. Eugene Correia. I tried [EMAIL PROTECTED] (the email for him, given to me by Rt Wing Pubbie lady ) but that does NOT work. Hence I am trying to post this on GoaNet Goa-Goans. (I know that there are lurkers on both d-lists) Hopefully, one of the d-lists will attract the attention of Mr. Eugene Correia. Hope this post is NOT censored (;-) OF LATE, like Mr. Eugene Correia, amche Goans are beginning to ASSUME that you(generic) said this and that. IF ONLY they would READ the original text. On another matter, I am sorry that you have walked away from GoaNet. That is what the Fox was hoping. Then ONLY Two-Tones would have their say. I invite you to return and fight the foxes. good wishes jc From : Paulo Colaco Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jose or GoaNet-Admin: I do not have the current email address for Eugene Correia, so, I would appreciate if you could forward this email from me to him: --- Message for Eugene Correia --- Eugene, I am not subscribed to Goanet since few months now. This has come to my notice from Jose Colaco from the Bahamas. I am extremely offended and concerned that my name has been linked to Bernado Colaco. You do not have the right to assume the link and definitely not have the right to make your assumptions public in a public forum like GoaNet. I have lost all the respect I had for you. I thought you were a respectful journalist. I was wrong. I hope you can apologise publicly and cc to me, since I no longer have the time for GoaNet. On another note, I have reasons to believe Bernado is a real person. I do not know him and do not know anyone who knows him either in Macau or UK. Yes, I did try to trace him amongst the Goans in Macau but nobody knows him. Also, he is not in the phone book of Macau (which is available on the internet). However, that does not give anyone the right to claim I am impersonating him. I repeat, you do not have the right to link my name to the likes of Bernado Colaco. I have a reputation and I am extremely offended that you have made your stupid assumptions public! Please apologise and withdraw your most unfortunate comment immediately. Paulo Colaco Dias. --- End of message for Eugene Correia - _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/
[Goanet]Blast in Toronto - G.O.A. style
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## G.O.A. Toronto has a blast (See pics at: http://photos.yahoo.com/timdemello) For a second year, The G.O.A. Toronto organized a '50S - '60S BLAST FROM THE PAST DANCE on Saturday, October 30th, 2004. The previous event was very successful with three bands in attendance. This year there was just one band but with numerous guest appearances. DJ Fatz complemented the live band with a superb collection of oldies. The event was hosted at The Forum Banquet Hall in Rexdale. It appeared that the hall could cater for about 300 to 400 people. The dance attracted just over 250 people made up of a cross-section of Torontos multicultural mosaic although more than half comprised Goans. This was a demonstration of how popular the music from that era still is across racial groups. The band alone comprised of two Goans (rhythm and lead guitarists), an Italian/Canadian (singer and rhythm guitarist), an Englishman (drummer) and an American (bass guitarist). The ambiance of the hall was reminiscent of that era, with life size Elvis cut-outs and the walls decorated with LP sleeves of that time. People attending were also dressed in attire from that era men in jeans and tee shirts and women in flared skirts and bobby socks. The dance committee worked hard to provide an assortment of entertainment through the evening. The main featured band was Les Ombres. It specializes in music of the 50s 60s. Guest appearances on stage included Auggie Pereira (ex Tanga and ex Auggie and the Blue Notes). He entertained us with his excellent saxophone playing like oldies Sail along Silvery Moon, Morgen, etc. One dancer commented that his music was best appreciated with the lights turned low and so they were very low. Terry Pinto (ex- Nairobi) also took to the stage and entertained us with some excellent keyboard numbers. He was introduced as our Goan Stevie Wonder and he did not disappoint. One other person Jimmy van Rosie (ex Nairobi) together with his drummer entertained us to a whole selection of popular Swahili hits from the same era. One guest appearance that needs special mention is our own Miss Tammy Pereira. She has an excellent voice and sang some hits made famous by stars like Norah Jones, Linda Rondstat, Connie Francis, etc. A chorus of admirers shouted that she would make a solid competitor for the Canadian Idol. At 10:00pm there was floorshow by The Habibis. This was a group of three scantily clad women who gave us a riveting performance of belly dancing. In their conclusion they surprised us all by suddenly lurching into the seated spectators and throwing their veils around the necks of three men and pulling them on to floor and challenging them to accompany them in a racy display on the floor. I think the most surprised of the three was Osbert Remedios but he put on a creditable performance. There was also a Limbo Dance competition. Many brave souls participated but only one Clive Ferrao was selected as the winner. Les Ombres concluded its performance with its singer Ralph Privitera singing three songs in different languages. The first was Marina, sung in his native Italian. This was followed by Mollbailo Dou sung in Konkani, if you dont mind! He received a rousing ovation for this. He then followed with Claudia and the crowd was ecstatic. One of the members of our table immediately christened him Caetan Santan and granted him honorary citizenship of Sawantwadi. A recent ex-Mumbai immigrant 3 months only - to Canada commented that he felt Goans from Africa seemed to enjoy their dancing more that Goans in Mumbai. Looking around the floor at some of my contemporaries almost all greying or totally grey, others follicly challenged and almost all acting a lot younger than their age I would have to agree. Give the Goans a chance to get together and party (with the help of G.O.A. Toronto, no less) and I do not think there is any other group in this world that can beat us at this. (See pics at: http://photos.yahoo.com/timdemello) _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.
[Goanet]HOW CAN YOU HELP ?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## 0 Gilbert Lawrenve USA Compliments and thanks for being the coordinator for the World Goa Writers' Association. As expected at the initial stages we will have teething problems. If we undertake to promote Goan writings, we are perceived as promoting ourselves. Yet how do we promote Goan writers if there is no audience to read Goan writings? I am on board with the association and anything PRACTICAL that will promote the cause. I think the major effort right now is to encourage the Presidents of the various WGD across the world to include a Keynote speaker (s) at their functions and perhaps include a forum of Goan writers' symposium at their celebrations. Also an essay writing contests for different age groups on some aspect of Goa - history, geography, culture, economics etc, will do justice to the Goan talent. The symposium and the essay contests will publicize our efforts and attract potential young and not-so-young Goan writers to pursue their interests. It is difficult for us to promote ourselves. Hence Rene as you circulate information to the WGD presidents encouraging them on their celebrations please includes the writers' association. As you know, we are not doing it for our benefit. Traveling to these meetings involves a lot of time, energy, expense and inconvenience. I personally will do it within limits to promote the Goan cause. My experience however is to get the Goan president to share the microphone. :=)) In the mean time, the writers of the region (North America or EU) should get together and plan a strategy to promote writing and marketing in their region. Regards, Gilbert 000
[Goanet]Election demographic breakdown
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## This one is interesting though it's only based on CNN exit polls. No others were factored in: http://www.electoral-vote.com/images/exit-polls.gif Auri
[Goanet]Election county breakdowns..
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## For you statistical fanatics like me. :-) In 2000: http://www.electoral-vote.com/images/counties-2000.gif In 2004: http://www.electoral-vote.com/images/counties-2004.gif Auri
[Goanet]Re: Church, phones and email - Apology
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear Godfrey and all Yesterday I sent an email saying Fr. Velho Pereira of the Goa Archdiocese did not reply to two emails and I publicly chastised him. I was somewhat disturbed that while I requested info. and did not get a reply the Archdiocese was putting out info. about its communication services (see email with the subject line above). I subsequently got a private email from a goannetter saying he is ill, perhaps explaining why I did not hear from him. I would like to apologize and wish him a speedy recovery. I do hope my questions can be answered by someone else or perhaps goanetters based in Goa have some answers? Regards, George --- godfrey gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately the experience of this writer, and as most of the netizens and others will agree, is that on issues affecting the Catholic church the archdiocese of Goa and Daman despite having a Diocesan Centre for Social Communications Media --- has never clarified PROMPTLY on the official stand of the Church on several issues.
[Goanet]Are YOU really interested in supporting GOAN WRITERS ?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## 0 I have TEN Books * Images of Goa * sent to me by Ben Antao. They are for sale here in London at the cost of Pounds Ten. each. Are YOU really interested in supporting GOAN WRITERS ? Then Join the The Goan International Writers Workshop : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGoanInternationalWritersWorkshop/ rene barreto www.goaday.com 000
[Goanet]Paulo (Paula) or Bernando -- same or different?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Mr. Eugene Correia wrote Fri Nov 5 09:16:15 2004 I saw an interview with Paulo Colaco Dias, based in UK Since Bernado and Paula are both based in UK, I am skeptical if both are the same person as I understand Bernado is a fake identity. Elementary my dear Watson, Elementary. Mr. Fred Noronha used to write for the Herald (he probably still does) Mr. Rajan Narayan used to write for the Herald Both live in Goa. Both work in Ponjje. Both are married to journalists. BOTH have (in the past atleast) censored my posts. HENCE, I believe Both are the SAME. On the other hand..MAY be not. Mr. Rajan Narayan is NOT a fence sitter. That is right. With regards to PAULA in Mr. Eugene Correia's Since Bernado and Paula are both based in UK Naa re baba! Please read Goa Gorrment Inphormassun publikassun. Paula is lover of Dona. Dey both kaaamit suicide at place now called Dona Paula. Ha Ha Ha Ha! BTW: Mr. Eugene Correia - HOW do you KNOW that Bernado is in the UK? Are you sure that he is NOT in Nassauor in Toronto? You are a Genius! and I CONGRATULATE you for thatprovided there are NO objections to my Congratulating you. IF there are, I will Say HAPPY BIRTHDAY or offer you my Condolences. Haven't seen any objections to that stuff of late. jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/
[Goanet]Re: George Pinto on Civil Rights in the USA
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Peter, Please re-read what I wrote. Bush won among the intolerant types. I am refering to many, not all, of the people who voted for him and their position on issues like CRA, ERA, etc. I am not referring to Senate and Congressional votes. What do I mean by the intolerant types? After Lyndon Johnson riled the South with his support of civil rights for blacks, Nixon adopted the Republican 'Southern strategy' to convince Southern whites that they could be comfortable in their racism in the Republican party. That racism continues today and PARTLY explains for the Republican success in the South. The other piece of intolerance is prejudice against gays AND minorities. That prejudice finds a home in the Republican party. It is fashionable for them to discriminate against gay people, including gay marriage (11 states banned gay marriage). Even gay 'Log Cabin Republicans' opposed Bush. The other bigotry tacitly condoned in the Republican party is against Muslims. We just saw a recent example of that on this forum two days ago. The so-called 'war on terror' which appeals to people's fears has become code for being anti-Muslim (this is why the majority of peace-loving Muslims feel uncomfortable with Bush). Yes, Bush's victory was a victory for fear, prejudice, bigotry. These are the 'moral values' of the Republican party (except for moderates like Arleen Specter who have been sidelined by the radical right). Intolerance won, but just barely. A landslide of dissent in favor of Kerry - 55 million (48%) said no to Bush and a hope for a better America. Regards, George --- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bush won in a landslide amoung the intolerant types - those who use their religion to hate others and deny them civil rights. Yesterday, gay marriage as banned in 10 (maybe 11) states. These from the same folks who have a 50% divorce rate and are concerned about preserving the sanctity of marriage. The same folks who opposed the Civil Rights Act, the Equal Rights Amendment and other equalities. --- Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George, You're misinformed. The CRA passed because of Republicans and in spite of the Democrats.
[Goanet]Thank You Silviano but we Goans are a pitiful lot - Never mind the BIG Talk - 2
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Mr. Eugene Correia wrote on Fri Nov 5 09:16:23 2004 I agree with Mr. Eugene Correia when he says : Is it a must or should we or anyone be provoked into doing things to SOMEONE ELSE's wishes? At least Mr. Eugene Correia is a frank person. It is NOT a MUST, Mr. Eugene Correia. === However, he is a very WRONG person esp when he writes: For Jose to say that some of us Canadian Goans MUST congratulate Ben on his post ... Mr. Eugene Correia, Please show me WHERE you found the word MUST in my post. Grateful if you do NOT play the Victor with my posts, and ASSUME anything. Please assign to me ONLY what I say or write, NOT what you ASSUME I may have, could have, would have, possibly implied. I know I am controversial that I often punch the buttons of others. Slam me IF you think I am wrong. I am happy to stand corrected BUT NOT with JUNK! == Mr. Eugene Correia adds That reminds me, how many of goanetters congratulated ourselves on the success of brother Bobby Jindal making it to the US Congress? Forgive my ignorance, Mr. Eugene Correia, BUT I did NOT know that Mr. Jindal was a Goan? I know that some Jindals owned the META STRIPS disaster zone. IS this guy related to those guys? Even if he was, I would like to put the following queries to a POLITICIAN before I congratulate him as a GOA-netter. 1. Do you support the Death Penalty? 2. Do you support attacking another State without provocation? (I am talking about The Republic of India attacking Goa aka Estado da India Portuguesa.and similar cases thereafter) (;-) 3. What do you say about civilian deaths as a result of Bombing? 4. Do you think that war criminals should be brought to justice before International Courts of Justice? The sardars who raped Goan women in 1961 and thereafter, please stay tuned. 5. Do you agree with the Death Penalty? 6. Do you believe that a woman MUST carry on with a pregnancy where the foetus has Anencephaly (No brain) - even if her OWN life is in danger? 7. Do you believe that a country belongs to ALL its people as such, the resources should be shared among ALL its people? 8. What is your position of Global Warming? Yes, Mr. Eugene Correia, Until I hear the answers to those questions - from the Parrikars, Jindals and Poppots of this world, I will NOT congratulate ANY politician. Even if he was a Goan. Or else, I'll end up Congratulating all the Narvekars, Parrikars and Faleiros I'd care to even read about. jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]Re: Samir Kelekar on Economics
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Samir Kelekar writes: Gimme a break; Bush inherited recession? My understanding was that the economy was its peak in 2000, late 2000. That's not a fact. It peaked in the second quarter of 2000--the GDP growth rate reached 6.4%. It dropped drastically in the third quarter of 2000 (before the elections) to -0.5%, that's minus zero point five percent. It's not what you'd call an economic peak. The recession (at least in the IT field) began just as Bush took over, and then 9/11 made things worse. The IT recession, as you call it, started as a consequence of the fallout of the dot com industry, which started as early as March 2000. Check the figures for the second quarter of 2000 to get an idea. Where are you getting your data from? The Bureau of Economic Analysis. www.bea.gov. Where do you get yours from? One thing is sure that this will create more terrorists. For instance, those who are keeping people hostage now, and massacaring, they were nowhere to be seen before the Iraq war. Yes, most of us didn't see them. People on the planes which crashed into the WTC and the Pentagon got to see some of them. There's a fellow named Osama who had been around before the Iraq war. People in Israel get to see them (terrorists) every other day. Yasser Arafat knows many on a first name basis. America had heard from them before the Iraq war--remember the US embassies in Dar-es-Salaam and Nairobi, the bombing of the _USS Cole_ in Yemen, the bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993, ... My point is that the war didn't transform peace-loving folks into mass murderers. What about 1000 American casualties? Going by how things are going, these are only going to increase in the next four years, it looks like. Maybe, maybe not. Remember what was said about Afghanistan. It's worth waiting to see the eventual outcome of the war. Hey, if you get oil fields free, spending that much money could make economic sense. Certainly it does not make any legal sense (and I am talking international law here), and certainly not moral sense. I don't understand how spending a premium of $100 billion per year can make economic sense. Your argument seems to stem from skepticism more than reality. . And, people say they voted Bush on moral basis? 22% of voters thought that morals were the most important factor, 78% thought otherwise. Almost 1 of every 5 people who thought morals were the most important factor voted for Kerry. (source: pewforums.org). I'm tired of this talk about all of Bush's supporters being fools who only consider morals in their choice for President. The morals issue is being blown out of proportion by liberals who are determined to divide America. Why do we hear so little about the 19% of Americans for whom terrorism is the key issue and so much more about religion being the main factor? In fact, the Bush-Kerry divide on religion is smaller than the divide on the issue of terrorism. (source: BBC - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3973197.stm ) People's morals must be in their knees, man. Whatever. Thanks for your very thoughtful comments. Adeus, Peter D'Souza
[Goanet]CIOL : News : Goa IT Policy to woo IT industry
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Goa IT Policy to woo IT industry Lists number of incentives such as sales tax exemptions extended by five years, local employment rewards and others to attract IT/ITES industries. Thursday, November 04, 2004 GOA: Goa government has announced the long overdue IT policy, which besides giving several sops to the IT industry, also focuses on streamlining the administration for e-governance. Announcing the policy, Goa IT minister Francisco D'Souza said that the policy has attempted to match the incentives offered by other states to IT/ITES industries so that the prospective industries indenting to invest in Goa are not placed at a disadvantage. However, he added that Goa has an edge over its counterparts due to its inherent strengths such as high literacy and good quality of life. While enumerating various measures to entice IT industries in the state, D'Souza said that proposals of investment exceeding Rs 50 crore and industrial houses amongst top 20 companies, as per NASSCOM annual listing, will be provided land at institutional rates. The policy lists number of other incentives such as sales tax exemptions for IT/ITES industry extended by five years, local employment by IT/ITES companies to be rewarded to the extent of 30 percent of salary, Stamp Duty reimbursement to IT/ITES units operating in IT designated areas, Higher FAR to IT/ITES units in IT designated areas, Preferential Power Tariff for IT/ITES to be announced to the industry that requires service levels of 99.99 percent uptime. The policy further states that the domicile requirements will be relaxed for children of employees of IT/ITES companies working in Goa in order to ensure growth of the Industry in Goa. Like other states, the IT/ITES units in Goa will be deemed establishments and will be granted exemption from shift restrictions. Registered IT/ ITES units that avail loans from the State-owned Economic Development Corporation will be reimbursed amounts equal to interest charges payable at the rate of two percent interest on the loan. There is also institution of 'Outstanding Contribution Award' of Rs 10 lakh each year to IT/ITES industry contributing to the state economy and employment. The government has also expressed its intentions to promote broadband access, connectivity and local Internet exchange to make Goa a plug and play economy. Setting up of RD parks, strategic alliances with RD initiatives and providing seed funding to encourage start-ups for developing indigenous products and services based on RD are some of the other features in the policy. CyberMedia News
[Goanet]Downloading konkani songs
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Can anybody help this person? Thanks Tim de Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] CANADA From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 12:11:26 -0500 Hi Tim, I have seen yr email address on the Goa digest. By any chance do you have the website link to down load konkani songs specially the Mando Lorna's Look forwad to hear from you Rolanda _ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.
[Goanet]Congratulations Dr Colaco!!
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Dear Dr Colaco You did well with your posting on Ben's book. Well at least it got its due attention. I am sure that is what you had in mind. I appreciate you for being there to promote Goan Writers. And of course I will not forget the valuable and much needed publicity you gave to my book Naked Goa on the Net. Thanks a lot again and may God bless you. With warm regards and kind thoughts Tony Martin __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Runway collision one week after warning
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## 5 Nov. 2004. Manchester Evening News. Runway collision one week after warning. A collision between two jets at Manchester Airport came just a week after a report highlighted fears of safety of planes on the ground. No-one had serious injuries - ten people were treated for minor whiplash. Passengers checking in today for their re-scheduled flight to Goa this afternoon told how a chaplain was drafted in to help people suffering from stress. The 263 passengers who boarded an Excel flight to Goa were put up in hotels around the airport for the night while accident examiners inspected their damaged aircraft. Photographs and full text, 657 words at http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/s/135/135965_runway_collision_one_week_after_warning.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.782 / Virus Database: 528 - Release Date: 22/10/2004
[Goanet][***] Goanet - a mailing list
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Some happy news to report -- Goanet has just got a useful rating in terms of scholarly usefulness, when submitted to T Matthew Ciolek's Asia-WWW-Monitor. -FN From: T.Matthew Ciolek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/11/05 Fri AM 06:45:59 GMT+05:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [***] Goanet - a mailing list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE from this e-journal send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] message: unsubscribe asia-www-monitor your email address -- The Asian Studies WWW Monitor: early Nov 2004, Vol. 11, No. 19 (223) -- 04 Nov 2004 Goanet - a mailing list www.goanet.org, Revere, MA, US. Supplied note: Kindly pass on to anyone from Goa whom you know. To join write to viviana at goanet.org and request to join Goanet-Digest. Goanet completes 10 years this year. - fn. Self-description: Goanet is a general forum for people interested in Goa to meet and talk about Goa. Goanet, launched in 1994 by Herman Carneiro, is the first -- and trendsetting -- mailing list dealing with the region of Goa on the west coast of the Indian subcontinent. Members post news articles, opinion, humor (related to Goa), questions, etc., on this list. The archives of the volunteer-driven mailing list, with postings since Jan 1996, contain over 85MB of emails - ed. URL http://www.goanet.org/mailman/listinfo/goanet/ Internet Archive (www.archive.org) [the site was not archived at the time of this abstract] Link reported by: Frederick Noronha (fred[use@]bytesforall.org) * Resource type [news - documents - study - corporate info. - online guide]: News * Publisher [academic - business - govt. - library/museum - NGO - other]: Other * Scholarly usefulness [essential - v.useful - useful - interesting - marginal]: Useful * External links to the resource [over 3,000 - under 3,000 - under 1,000 - under 300 - under 100 - under 30]: under 30 -- Src: The Asian Studies WWW Monitor ISSN 1329-9778 URL http://coombs.anu.edu.au/pacific-www-monitor.html The e-journal [est. Apr 1994], a pioneering and the only publication of this kind in the world, provides free weekly abstracts and reviews of new/updated online resources of significance to research, teaching and communications dealing with the Asian Studies. The email edition of this Journal has now over 4180 subscribers. Please announce new/improved Asian Studies' Web sites via http://coombs.anu.edu.au/regasia.html - regards - Dr T. Matthew Ciolek tmciolek[use@]coombs.anu.edu.au Head, Internet Publications Bureau, RSPAS, The National Institute for Asia and the Pacific, The Australian National University, Canberra, Australia ph +61 (02) 6125 0110 fax: +61 (02) 6257 1893 http://www.ciolek.com/PEOPLE/ciolek-tm.html [You may freely forward this information, but on condition that you send the text as an integral whole along with complete information about its author, date, and source.] - To subscribe to Asian Studies WWW Monitor email edition send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] message: subscribe asia-www-monitor your email address International students: ANU (http://studyat.anu.edu.au) CRICOS Provider Number is 00120C - Frederick Noronha 784 Near Convent, Sonarbhat SALIGAO GOA India Freelance Journalist TEL: +91-832-2409490 MOBILE: 9822122436 http://fn.swiki.net http://www.livejournal.com/users/goalinks fred at bytesforall.org http://www.bytesforall.org
Re: [Goanet]Santosh Helekar on 'right'
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- Sachin Phadte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems to me that he is saying that anything that is radically tilted to the right is by definition wrong. Does not mount to much of an argument, since one can say that anything one is opposed to is radically tilted. And what about radically tilted to the left? And who is to decide? Sachin, You misunderstand by position. What I said applies only to Bush. I don't expect him to radically tilt towards the left. As a general rule, I oppose radical policies based on ideology, irrespective whether they are tilted to the left or the right. I oppose the postmodernist wackos on the left as much as I oppose the religious bigots on the right. I have consistently supported every idea that is borne out of scientific fact and physical evidence, regardless of whether it is perceived to be on the right or the left of the political spectrum. I challenge you to point to anything that I have written over the past 8 years on Goanet that is at variance with this assertion. However, on issues that cannot be resolved by facts alone, as they stand today, I am an agnostic, and quite comfortably to the left of center. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet]Re: [Goanet-news]GOANETREADER -- Church, phones and email
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## The Church Directory 2004 is indeed an useful tool for communications and is a MUST for every Christian home. Given the present scenario in India under which the Catholic Church functions deseminating information to weed out the truth from the half truth is essential and above all ought to be timely. Unfortunately the experience of this writer, and as most of the netizens and others will agree, is that on issues affecting the Catholic church the archdiocese of Goa and Daman despite having a Diocesan Centre for Social Communications Media --- has never clarified PROMPTLY on the official stand of the Church on several issues. Instead it believes in sending out or leaking out news through some selected newsman. This to my mind is incorrect. The Diocesan Centre for SCM should always have its official written communique released on such vital issues rather than letting the faithful hear it from reliable sources. The RENOVACAO monthly magazine is a poor substitute for prompt news. Take the issue of the Church of Our lady of Brotas at Anjediv, the then Archbishop Dr Raul Niclau Gonsalves had said in a meeting in the presence of this writer that we need to examine it (Anjediv issue) in all perspectives before going public true --- but this was in August/Sept 2002 and unfortunately till this date there is not a single written official communique on this issue from the Church. When a corporator and some others forcibly entered the Paco Patriacal Bishops Palace at Altinho claiming for some stone structure believed to be a linga there was no clarification issued by the Church on this issue. Imagine an emotive issue like this incident which took place just behind the official residence of the Chief Minister of Goa who is also the Home Minister (law order portfolio)--- did not in the view of Church deserve a written official communique till this date on what exactly happened and what action has been taken. Recently in the case of the Fire at Bom Jesus Basilica Annexe after about two days there was a small news item. But what about the Catholics the world over who use the Internet, and concerned especially with the Exposition 2004 were they not required to be informed so to say from the horses mouth Therefore it is not enough to have a directory giving the telephone numbers and email addresses besides websites --- it is necessary that lay people have access to information via these tools of communications and can interact to get clarifications. Often when one gives a call to any of the Churches or even the Paco Patriacal office there is no prompt reply. The working hours for the priests include a well deserved siesta from say 1300 hrs to 1600hrs --- even if there is some burning issues. One needs to ascertain if calling at a certain time would mean an ungodly hour in the eyes of the priest concerned. Thus what use the directory of telephone numbers and are emails ever attended to ??? As a matter of fact if the Church had only realised the need for effective communication the network linking all the chapels and churches with both telephone fax and email facility could have been put to daily use. This network could have been used for desemination of information : be it Goverment schemes etc etc The church could have assisted, if not all atleast, its own faithful on various schemes etc specially to those who do not have access to newspapers etc in the remote villages. Sadly this is not being done ---again, though reading is a vital necessity in the modern day world there is hardly any newspapers periodicals (other than religious publications) subscribed by the Churches in Goa and most of the priests are miserably ignorant of day to day happenings. At best many have an archaic mindset despite nearly seven years of some hard learning -- theology philosophy to attain priesthood. The above observations are a constructive criticism so that the Church could put its website and directory to real good use rather than just have reprints this is the fifth one (? ) GODFREY J I GONSALVES Borda Margao Goa [EMAIL PROTECTED] @ Over 660 phones, a hundred email address -- together with a small number of websites and tiny number of by-now-outdated faxes -- are the communication tools of Church-related institutions in Goa. @@ Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to:
[Goanet]Arafat near end.
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1344520,00.html 11.15am Arafat 'between life and death' Associated Press Friday November 5, 2004 The Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat, is in a reversible coma but is not brain dead, his spokeswoman said today. The statement came amid conflicting reports about the 75-year-old's condition. I can assure you that there is no brain death, Leila Shahid, the Palestinian envoy to France, told the French RTL radio station. He is in a coma. We don't know the type, but it's a reversible coma. Today we can say that, given his condition and age, he is at a critical point between life and death. She categorically denied persistent reports in the French and Israeli media that Mr Arafat was brain dead and was being kept alive on life support. He could or could not wake up ... all vital organs are functioning, she said. A series of reports yesterday, saying that Mr Arafat had died, were denied by a spokesman for the Paris hospital at which the Palestinian leader is being treated. Since Mr Arafat was airlifted to the French military hospital from the West Bank last Friday, his exact condition has largely remained a mystery. French physicians have yet to announce a diagnosis, but yesterday confirmed he had been rushed to intensive care after his condition became more complex. Ms Shahid suggested that the coma had occurred after Mr Arafat was put under anaesthetic to have additional medical tests, including an endoscopy, colonoscopy and biopsy of the spinal cord. Doctors had determined that he was not suffering from stomach cancer, Ms Shahid said. Earlier this week, a medical statement drafted by the hospital said initial tests had also ruled out leukaemia. A clear diagnosis has never been issued. Israel's justice minister, Yosef Lapid, said Mr Arafat was being kept alive artificially, but the source of that information was not clear. We all know that clinically he's dead, but we won't interfere with internal Palestinian affairs - they'll announce his death when they find it proper, he told Associated Press Television News. Yesterday, however, Mr Arafat's personal physician, Dr Ashraf Kurdi, insisted that a brain scan showed that the Palestinian leader has no type of brain death. Outside the hospital, around 50 well-wishers held a vigil until the early hours of this morning. Some held candles, others portraits of Mr Arafat. It tears your heart up, Mahmod Nimr, a 36-year-old Palestinian, said outside the hospital. I can't see someone taking his place. Brain death occurs when the brain stops working, making it impossible for the body to maintain its own vital functions, such as breathing. It is irreversible. Patients can be kept alive by a machine as long as the heart is still beating and nothing is seriously wrong with the rest of the body. The French television station LCI quoted an anonymous French medical official as saying Mr Arafat was in an irreversible coma and intubated - a process that involves threading a tube down the windpipe to the lungs to connect it to a respirator to help the patient breathe. To be on a respirator, a patient must be unconscious, but not necessarily brain dead or even in a coma. Palestinian leaders yesterday held an emergency meeting in the West Bank about how to prevent unrest if Mr Arafat dies. The Palestinian prime minister, Ahmed Qureia, assumed some of the leader's financial powers, and was to travel to the Gaza Strip today to order security chiefs to show solidarity and not fight, a Palestinian official said. The Israeli army, which is on high alert, has a contingency plan to deal with the fallout from Mr Arafat's death, including possible Palestinian riots. An Israeli cabinet official said today that Israel would allow Mr Arafat to be buried in the Gaza Strip. The Israeli prime minister, Ariel Sharon, has said he would not permit Mr Arafat to be buried in Jerusalem, which is claimed by both Israel and the Palestinians as their capital. Meanwhile, the 25 EU leaders today expressed solidarity with the Palestinians and pledged to help relaunch Middle East peace efforts.
[Goanet]Re: [Goanet-news]Sad demise of Mrs Conceicao Maria D'Souza, Assagao
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## dear Joel Regret to hear t he news of yr most loved mother. Do accept my heartfelt condolences to u and yr fly . May herSoul be granted Everlasting peace. Condolences from netter janet Kuwait --- Joel D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ## # Don't just read the news... discuss it. Learn more about Goa via Goanet# # Goanet is a 10-year-old network launched by Herman Carneiro in 1994. # # See all archives http://news.gmane.org/gmane.culture.region.india.goa/ # # To join, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask to join GoanetDigest. # ## Dear Netters, My mother, Conceicao Maria D'Souza, expired peacefully at 1.30 am this morning (November 5, 2004). She is the wife of late Theofilo D'Souza (Ex-Eldoret, Kenya); mother of late Especiosa, Joel (Joseph)/Lena Dias (Ex-Mombassa), Maria/Salvador Mascarenhas (Corjuem), Anne/Romanus Lobo (Pune/Siolim); grandmother of Sharon/Melwyn Gonsalves (Dubai), Selima/Francis Pereira (Vagator), Roussel, Michael, Clive, Aloma, Ralph and Carl; great-grandmother of Daniel (Dubai) and Crisel (Vagator). The funeral cortege will leave the residence at Assagao at 4.30 pm today (November 5, 2004) for the church of St Cajetan, Assagao. Regards. Joel D'Souza ## Goa's premier mailing list Goanet - http://www.goanet.org is 10 years old today __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
[Goanet]NYTimes.com Article: Op-Ed Columnist: Two Nations Under God
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Op-Ed Columnist: Two Nations Under God November 4, 2004 By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN Well, as Grandma used to say, at least I still have my health. ... I often begin writing columns by interviewing myself. I did that yesterday, asking myself this: Why didn't I feel totally depressed after George H. W. Bush defeated Michael Dukakis, or even when George W. Bush defeated Al Gore? Why did I wake up feeling deeply troubled yesterday? Answer: whatever differences I felt with the elder Bush were over what was the right policy. There was much he ultimately did that I ended up admiring. And when George W. Bush was elected four years ago on a platform of compassionate conservatism, after running from the middle, I assumed the same would be true with him. (Wrong.) But what troubled me yesterday was my feeling that this election was tipped because of an outpouring of support for George Bush by people who don't just favor different policies than I do - they favor a whole different kind of America. We don't just disagree on what America should be doing; we disagree on what America is. Is it a country that does not intrude into people's sexual preferences and the marriage unions they want to make? Is it a country that allows a woman to have control over her body? Is it a country where the line between church and state bequeathed to us by our Founding Fathers should be inviolate? Is it a country where religion doesn't trump science? And, most important, is it a country whose president mobilizes its deep moral energies to unite us - instead of dividing us from one another and from the world? At one level this election was about nothing. None of the real problems facing the nation were really discussed. But at another level, without warning, it actually became about everything. Partly that happened because so many Supreme Court seats are at stake, and partly because Mr. Bush's base is pushing so hard to legislate social issues and extend the boundaries of religion that it felt as if we were rewriting the Constitution, not electing a president. I felt as if I registered to vote, but when I showed up the Constitutional Convention broke out. The election results reaffirmed that. Despite an utterly incompetent war performance in Iraq and a stagnant economy, Mr. Bush held onto the same basic core of states that he won four years ago - as if nothing had happened. It seemed as if people were not voting on his performance. It seemed as if they were voting for what team they were on. This was not an election. This was station identification. I'd bet anything that if the election ballots hadn't had the names Bush and Kerry on them but simply asked instead, Do you watch Fox TV or read The New York Times? the Electoral College would have broken the exact same way. My problem with the Christian fundamentalists supporting Mr. Bush is not their spiritual energy or the fact that I am of a different faith. It is the way in which he and they have used that religious energy to promote divisions and intolerance at home and abroad. I respect that moral energy, but wish that Democrats could find a way to tap it for different ends. The Democrats have ceded to Republicans a monopoly on the moral and spiritual sources of American politics, noted the Harvard University political theorist Michael J. Sandel. They will not recover as a party until they again have candidates who can speak to those moral and spiritual yearnings - but turn them to progressive purposes in domestic policy and foreign affairs. I've always had a simple motto when it comes to politics: Never put yourself in a position where your party wins only if your country fails. This column will absolutely not be rooting for George Bush to fail so Democrats can make a comeback. If the Democrats make a comeback, it must not be by default, because the country has lapsed into a total mess, but because they have nominated a candidate who can win with a positive message that connects with America's heartland. Meanwhile, there is a lot of talk that Mr. Bush has a mandate for his far right policies. Yes, he does have a mandate, but he also has a date - a date with history. If Mr. Bush can salvage the war in Iraq, forge a solution for dealing with our entitlements crisis - which can be done only with a bipartisan approach and a more sane fiscal policy - upgrade America's competitiveness, prevent Iran from going nuclear and produce a solution for our energy crunch, history will say that he used his mandate to lead to great effect. If he pushes for still more tax cuts and fails to solve our real problems, his date with history will be a
Re: [Goanet] Re: Cardinal Valeriano Gracias!
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## I think I have a good idea who Bernado is. This faker and other netter seem to have same ideas. I know this guy doesn't like me for something I wrote long time ago. Some have taken good education in post-Liberation Goa that would not have been possible for them during the Portuguese era and now castigate the Indian takeover. Eugene --- Frederick Noronha(FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Eugene, The issue is more than what you raise. Bernado is always talking-down to people (chappie, or the way in which he mutilates people's names). His style is to be provocative, and win arguments by using labels and cliches. By pointing to the flaws and serious problems Goa faces now (as it did during pre-1961 times, and will continue doing for quite some time to come), it seems that Bernadism is trying to deflect attention from the social transformation that Goa is undergoing. I would invite Bernado to a debate, beyond his two-liners of course, over whether or not a far larger number of people in Goa (and not just the priviledged few) are actually better off and more comfortable then they were at any time before 1961. Admitted too that new injustices have replaced old ones, new lobbies have grown, the environment has taken a severe beating, and in a system where your hands don't get chopped off for stealing the we-can't-sleep-with-our-doors-open refrain is indeed very true. It's interesting to read what Bernado keeps saying in his sub-text. One-third of Goans are not really Goans, because they're just Anglo-Goans or from some place like Gaiwadi or Sonapur. (Read: they don't share my bigotry and bias.) Someone as eminent as Cardinal Valerian Gracias doesn't qualify too, either because of his caste (which will be revealed at the right time!) or his views against Portuguese colonialism. It needs to be said here for the record, that the vast majority of the people of Goa got a very shabby deal from the pre-1961 set-up. Whatever their many failings, the post-1961 regimes were quick to realise that they needed to work on alliance-building exercises, which they did so as to mop up majority support needed in a one-man-one-vote situation. To me, Bernado's views are a good example of the exclusivist nature of Goan society, and the injustices of the yesterday which allows today's generation to be kept further divided and ruled effectively. FN On Tue, 2 Nov 2004, Eugene Correia wrote: There you go again, Bernado. If u think I am a chappie from Sonapur, then you are sadly mistaken. But that's besides the point. You never attacked my points, but instead took an escapist route. It seems that only you and those who are with you on the Portuguese issue know that Goa is sinking. Rest of us are blind to issues that concern Goa. Goa is no exception to both political and economic troubles as in other states. Goa is a young state, and probably has growing pains. Much has been achieved, and much need to be achieved. There are many factors that cause problems in Goa. In fact, even Kerala with a high literacy rate has problems such as unemployment, etc. __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Poor 7k+ members of goanet!!!!!
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Hi to all 7k+ members of goanet The first time I learnt Goanet has a membership strength of 7K+ I was impressed. Well now I am shocked. I asked Goanetters for views on Matka. But only two responded. My net friend Dr Colaco didn't take it seriously but at least he responded. Cecil Pinto the eternal humourist (hope the word is right otherwise I might be flooded with mails on humour, the adjective forms of it, etymology, or on how it is plain bad english, konklish or hinglish.) But(kidding part aside) the only suggestion that Cecil made was VERY good. (Well digging a lot of shit is all right if you hope to strike gold. In that sense I was not disappointed at the end of Cecil's mail. Honestly, I thank Cecil for giving a focus to my vague idea on a book on Matka.) Coming to the point what shocks me is the impression I get that the 7000 odd silent members are so bereft of ideas that they will prefer to shut up even when asked a few questions on a life and death issue like gambling. Well I would like to make a suggestion to the administrators of goanet. Any member who does not make at least a single posting in a year should be automatically dropped from the Goanet list with due notice. Anyway my simple comprehension does not tell me what makes these people human if they have nothing to say in a whole year -- 365 sunrises and 365 sunsets. If a person says nothing happened well it means he/she is not breathing. (I know there are some who may even ask me what I exactly mean by not breathing and yet courtesy tells me the euphemism is well in place) I have been a member of Goanet for almost two years. And I can definitly say I know the names of all the 50 plus Goanetters who keep the Goanet digest going. Everyone particularly the Non Resident Goans should be grateful to gentleman Herman Carneiro for such a wonderful idea ten years back. Well at least now the sleeping goanet giants should rise from their dogmatic slumber and let us know what they have to say. Never mind if it means gems to some and rubbish to others. And for those who feel like responding to my queries on matka I would appreciate some serious replies in my personal inbox. Thanx Tony Martin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Mixing up the Bernado Colaco track with the fence sitter
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Mr. Noronha wrote:The one thing I've learnt over time is that it's hard to stay on track in a discussion with a JC (as is also the case with a BC, i.e. Bernado Colaco) ;-) From the looks of things, Mr. Noronha has been trying very hard to TRACK DOWN Bernado Colaco of the Bharati contra Ole-Xac fame. A routine also known on the private e-mail circuit as the Fox-Hunt ! In this case the Fox is the Hunter. As far as keeping track of discussions with me (i.e. JC), here is my advice: 1. Please do NOT read what I have NOT written. 2. Keep an open mind - If someone is wrong - point out why one thinks that a person is wrong in a particular viewpoint. Just like some of us pointed out to the writer : of the Slavery bit that Portugal could NOT have practised Slavery in India hundreds of years AFTER the British abolished slavery : of the 1983 built Daman bridge that Portugal could NOT have built that bridge 3. Do support the view that IF an error is made in a NEWS ITEM, it should be corrected. 4. Get off that fence WRT this from Mr. Noronha You are right when you talk about fake certificates being issued. But you are mixing up matters thoroughly in order to arrive at an anti-migrant conclusion Once again - PLEASE refer to context. The context is in Aloysius' post. IF after reading the totality of my responses - you believe that I have come to an anti-migrant conclusion, I wish you well. Very Well indeed! WRT this from Mr. Noronha You don't have to be a migrant mother to get a fake certificate. You don't even have to be a mother either Don't matter to me - I am in NO danger of being either. jc please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/
Re: [Goanet]Goa bound flight in collision.
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Headline: Runway drama as jets collide Source: Manchester Evening News. 5th November 2004. Excerpts: Two packed planes collided at Manchester Airport last night forcing the emergency evacuation of more than 300 passengers. Shocked travellers described how the larger Boeing 767 shook from side to side as its wing ripped off a tail fin from the smaller aircraft. Last night some passengers claimed the Boeing 767, which was taxiing into position after being delayed at Terminal 1, may have been travelling too quickly before the crash. Lee Hope, 43, a health care assistant from Burnley who was on board, said: I thought the plane was going very fast. In fact seconds before the crash I commented to a friend that if we had taken the corner any quicker the wheels would have come off the ground. The accident happened at 4.40pm at Terminal 1 when the wing of the Excel XLA 340 flight bound for Goa hit the back end of the stationary BMI baby flight WW3007 preparing to fly to Belfast. The Goa flight, which had been delayed for an hour, had 263 passengers on board with the smaller Belfast flight carrying 74 passengers. It is understood the Belfast plane was standing still within a parking bay waiting to be given permission to move onto the runway. Steve Harris, a comedian from Warrington on the Goa flight said: A few of us thought the plane was taxiing too fast. I have been on a few flights and they've never gone so quickly. We had just remarked on it when the plane turned to go onto the runway and the engine started powering up. Then there was a violent crash. The whole plane then shook from right to left then it lurched forward. The pilot then slammed on the brakes. We saw the tail fins on the end of the other plane hanging off. People were panicking, but it was over very quickly. Once we realised we had come to a standstill and there was no fire we were all relieved. Getting off was tricky because the steps they brought did not quite reach the doors so we had to jump about two foot from the plane onto the top step. A spokeswoman for Excel said she could not comment on suggestions the plane had been going too fast. Following the crash the 263 passengers from the 767 Excel plane were taken to a hotel to await a flight to Goa later today . Full text, 793 words at http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/s/135/135911_runway_drama_as_jets_collide.html Headline: Probe launched into runway collision Source: Manchester Evening News 5 Nov. 2004 at BY: John Scheerhout By John Scheerhout Excerpts: The Goa flight, which had been delayed for an hour, had 263 passengers on board with the smaller Belfast flight carrying 74 passengers. It is understood the Belfast plane was stationary in a parking bay waiting for permission to move. Excel spokeswoman Sue Lister said: The passengers were put up in hotels overnight and given dinner and drinks. We know what happened, but we don't know how. Our main priority is the passengers. They are fine. They have been great about it and they have been well looked after. They were due to fly on a replacement aircraft later today. A spokesman for the Air Accident Investigation Branch of the Department of Transport said a full investigation would be held. Excel said they could not comment on suggestions the plane had been going too fast. Full text, 501 words at http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/s/135/135935_probe_launched_into_runway_collision.html === Coincidentally, in the Manchester Evening News Today: Headline: Flight to find the sun. By John Scheerhout Excerpts: A record 6.5 million passengers will jet out of Manchester Airport this winter as the search for sunshine goes global. Far-flung destinations like Goa, Cuba and Egypt are now threatening the Canaries as the most popular winter destinations for Mancunians. Travel agent Thomas Cook, who have compiled a top 15 favourite destinations for people flying out of Manchester this winter, say the Indian coastal destination Goa, once a hippy hangout but now increasingly on the beaten track, is the sixth most popular destination compared with 12th last year. Geoff Dykes, of the independent Peregrination Travel which has offices in Harpurhey and Hazel Grove, said: The Canaries will always be top because it's easy to get to and there are lots of flights, but places like Goa and Egypt are giving them a run for their money. There are lots of flights now from Manchester to the Red Sea area. It shows there is a demand. Full text at:
Re: [Goanet]Bargain fares FROM Goa
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## From: Philip Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] But when one gets down to brass tacks there is just a line or two on bargain fares FROM Goa on domestic flights. By contrast I came across a link on air fares including budget fares on a number of sectors connecting Kochi. == Dear Philip Thomas, I chose to restrict my response to one aspect of your original post since I am no expert air travel. However I agree that Indian flight prices seem to be high particularly taking into account other modes of transport and average earnings. Also, the Indian Govt. has this week announced a surcharge of Rs. 500 per passenger in order to fund new greenfield airports like Mopa. Fuel costs were covered by the Rediff article but surely labour costs plays a more significant role. When I skimmed through some Press reports on the subject, I came across some references to actual prices but did not include them because they was dated and also there was no guarantee of comparing like to like. I let one reference in - Bangalore to Goa since that was one of the sectors you had mentioned. If you want current prices you will have to call the airlines or look at their websites: http://indian-airlines.nic.in/ http://www.jetairways.com/ http://www.airsahara.net/ http://www.airdeccan.net/ However that is no easy task. Air Deccan lists Goa - Mumbai for Rs. 700 but try getting a ticket for that price! You will probably have to pay three times that amount. Air Sahara has a variety of special fares: Square Drive, Super Four, Sixer, Super Sixer, Point-to-Point, Hopping Fares, Special fares, Steal a Seat, Flexi Auctions, Holiday Packages, USD Fares, Special International Fares etc. Please share with us your link to the local air fares including budget fares. Cheers, Eddie Fernandes --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.782 / Virus Database: 528 - Release Date: 22/10/2004
[Goanet]comments on Ben's book
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## When a Goan writes a book others may (should) buy a copy, read it and make comments about the book. I think that would make more sense than just sending personal congratulation messages on a public forum. Tony Martin __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Re: The US elections, parallels to India and the next 4 years
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## It is very interesting indeed, Samir. The truth of the matter is that in spite of the economy losing 1.9 million jobs due to the recession that Bush inherited, and in spite of the economic fallout of September 11, Gimme a break; Bush inherited recession? My understanding was that the economy was its peak in 2000, late 2000. The recession (at least in the IT field) began just as Bush took over, and then 9/11 made things worse. Where are you getting your data from? the Bush administration created an economic stimulus package which resulted in the recovery of over 800,000 jobs. ..and it continues to grow for the 14th straight month. Manufacturing has increased too. Unemployment is down by more than 1 percentage point, and is as low as Unemployment down, compared to when? it was during the prosperous Clinton economy of 1996. So, despite the bad economy, people losing jobs, it is only as bad as it was when Clinton was re-elected in 1996. Nobody was complaining then, and the American people who were affected by it during the last 4 years seem to think it's only as significant a problem as it was in 1996. The United States share of the world's GDP at the time Bush took office was about 25%, it's now 33%. There is no cause to complain about the superb growth in GDP. No, they also voted based on economic concerns as I outlined above. People do vote based on religious feelings, one of many factors. Values play an important role too. In a country where the rule of law is paramount it must come as a given that a strong moral code undergirds the foundation of that law. I think it was Malcolm X who once said if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. Bush stands for muscle flexing, for the might is right kind of order. As we have seen as a justification of Iraq war, even facts dont come in the way of Bush's muscle flexing. One thing is sure that this will create more terrorists. For instance, those who are keeping people hostage now, and massacaring, they were nowhere to be seen before the Iraq war. The fear factor coupled with the fact that the United States has been effectively protected against any major terrorist act since September 11, 2001 has been an important contributor in the re-election of George W. Bush. There have been many planned attacks which have been stopped, and terrorist sleeper cells have been uncovered. This is well documented. What about 1000 American casualties? Going by how things are going, these are only going to increase in the next four years, it looks like. The outsourcing of manufacturing has several benefits, among them the average household in the United States has about $2,000 each year in spending cash. The outsourcing of tech jobs to Bangalore and other places has several benefits, one of which is that American consumer goods end up in the hands of foreign consumers. I won't bore you with more detail, but there are liberals and conservatives alike who share that sentiment. You might want to check articles on the subject by Thomas Friedman (a liberal), the influential foreign affairs editor of the New York Times, or the editorial pages of the Wall Street Journal (conservative). Regarding war costs: there are significant amounts of the money spent there which comes back to the United States since American contractors such as Raytheon and Halliburton have been providing infrastructural support. I frankly think that this needs more study; whether outsourcing in general benefits the American people or just the corporates or both. Of course, if the Iraqi resistance calms down, and Bush is able to get cheap oil from Iraq --- which was his main aim anyway --- then it may be good for the American economy. Sir, you have no idea what you're talking about. Spending an extra $100 billion a year does not make oil cheaper. Hey, if you get oil fields free, spending that much money could make economic sense. Certainly it does not make any legal sense (and I am talking international law here), and certainly not moral sense. And, people say they voted Bush on moral basis? People's morals must be in their knees, man. I think it was Gore Vidal who said : Half the Americans dont read newspapers. Half don't vote. Hope it is the same half. Cheers, Samir Peter D'Souza
[Goanet]Re: Banned Indian film on riots to =?unknown?b?YmXCoA==?= broadcast on BBC
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## The film Final Solution has been granted a censor's certificate (one of the Board's last actions before Anupam Kher, the Chairman, was booted out), so it is no longer 'banned'. And yes, copies are available, contact off this mailgroup...
[Goanet]Re: Santosh Helekar's Comments on Kerry
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point is that you tried to mislead the people that Kerry did nothing in the senate. In a democracy people have a right to dissent. Reasoned opposition to the policies of the government does not constitute hate. What amounts to hate is spreading lies, and resorting to a smear campaign. Santosh, I should have clarified--I meant that Senator Kerry did nothing _significant_ in the Senate, meaning nothing that merited a mention in the endorsements that came from his staunchest supporters. His Senate record barely figured in the Democrat Convention in Boston. You've got to ask yourself why four-and-a-half months in VietNam was a bigger part of his own campaign spiel than his 20 years in the Senate. Peter
[Goanet]Re: George Pinto on Civil Rights in the USA
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## --- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your post is interesting and true. Kerry won in a landslide amoung the tolerant types. Bush won in a landslide amoung the intolerant types - those who use their religion to hate others and deny them civil rights. Yesterday, gay marriage as banned in 10 (maybe 11) states. These from the same folks who have a 50% divorce rate and are concerned about preserving the sanctity of marriage. The same folks who opposed the Civil Rights Act, the Equal Rights Amendment and other equalities. George, You're misinformed. The CRA passed _because_ of Republicans and in spite of the Democrats.. According to the _Congressional Quarterly_, 82% of Senate Republicans voted for it, while only 69% of Democrats did. In the House, 80% of Republicans voted for it and only 61% of Democrats did. Those intolerant Democrats! :-) Al Gore Sr., the father of that great Democrat candidate for president, opposed the CRA. Charlton Heston, a very conservative Republican, marched with blacks in Selma to support the Civil Rights Movement. Peter D'Souza
Re: [Goanet]Want to go to GOA for Xmas?? with family/Kids??
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] RESPONSE: HELLO! Iam sure we have all figured by now, that letsgotogoa is none other than JoeUK. His posts on the cheap flights were from Travelpak; what you have posted - contact Clarence Paes is also from Travelpak. Pray inform us where is the competition coming from? I remember correctly that it was not that long ago that JoeUK was in the ICU courtesy of whom? Has this now changed to the charm offensive? Caveat emptor, be careful Joe! = Folks, To set the record straight, on 23 Aug. it was JohnJosephine I put in the ICU as Gabe calls it. I had hoped that I would not have to do so when I wrote to GoaNet on 21 Aug: Joe, no one disputes that you are providing useful information and an excellent service but there is really no need to take all questions personally. No one is infallible or capable of failing to make themselves clear. I guess this is the cue for alter ego JohnJosephine [EMAIL PROTECTED] to be wheeled out! Enough said? Regarding the competitive prices on charter flights, they are very flexible and even within the same firm, people will give different quotes. This is especially true with late deals. It should not take a wizard to tell the difference in the rates quoted and make the choice. Cheers, Eddie Fernandes --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.782 / Virus Database: 528 - Release Date: 22/10/2004
[Goanet]Portugal to comemorate 5th birth centenary of SFX
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## V Centenário de Nascimento de S. Francisco Xavier, a levar a efeito em 2006. O Governo Português nomeou como Alta Comissária para esse efeito a Dra. Natália Correia Guedes e deu para sua instalação o edifício do antigo Colégio de Santo Antão (o Coleginho), a casa mais antiga que a Companhia de Jesus teve como propriedade sua no mundo, a partir de 1540, com o Padre Simão Rodrigues, um dos fundadores e o primeiro jesuíta português. O Comissariado já está a funcionar, embora ainda em fase de instalação. According to a Jesuit newsletter for private circulation the Government of Portugal has appointed Dr. Natália Correia Guedes (with much experience in organizing major international expositions) to head the celebrations of the 5th birth centenary of St. Francis Xavier in Portugal. Her officie will be located in the old college of S. Antão (known also as Coleginho), the oldest house of the Jesuits in the world and where lived Fr. Simão Rodrigues, the Portuguese co-founder of the Society of Jesus.
Re: [Goanet]Cardinal Gracias
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Sr. António, Thank you very much for the information provided. The actions of Dr. Simon are important for all Goans to understand as part of the issues of post invasion 61. The remanants of VP. Naik are today found in Goa via the Shiv Sena. As for the said Cardinal I do not question or challenge his achievements, but his lust for power was greater than his love for Goa. I hope the Diocese in Goa would provide more information on the events of 61 and the hand played by the Cardinal. B. Colaço Many of the pro-Goan and ant-mergerists refrained from joining in his reception and refused to welcome him Came the time of Opinion Poll in Goa. Almost the entire Goan community in Bombay dominated by Catholics stood behind Goans in Goa who were fighting against Goas merger with Maharastra. Goa lover Goans in Bombay were backing anti-merger issue and they were in the initial stage of campaigning were afraid that Maharastras flow of cash into the coffers of Dayananda Bandodkar, his party and all the scrap Goans who were supporting merger might win the Opinion Poll. Dr. Simon was the leading Goan in Bombay who had great love for Goa, Konkani, Goan culture, tradition, history and everything that is dearest to Goa. He during those turbulent days collected Goans under his banner and led them everyday to Cross Maidan to recite Holy Rosary and pray to the miraculous Cross for the success of Opinion Poll in favour of pro-Goans. The news of this everyday prayers spread everywhere, alerted V.P. Naik who put pressure on Cardinal Gracias as a head of the Catholicism to stop this prayers. Unfortunately, Cardinal Gracias succumbed to the command of V.P. Naik but Dr. Simon and all the genuine Goans who were in that prayer groups said hey bloody rascal, you mind your own business and dont stop us from doing what we are doing. Some spoke ill of his mother calling him Rannecho put Goem khairo, others spoke ill of his private life calling him Bebdo, Naikinnimcho Kombo, yet others said in one voice Cardinal Gracias is anti-Goan and as such he should be boycotted by genuine Goans. In Goa Bamonshahi and Bhattkarshahi jealous of his rise from humble background to the peak got a golden opportunity to degrade and disgrace him the way they wanted. In the eyes of many of the true Goa lovers, Cardinal Gracias will remain as bloody rascal because he had less love for Goa being a Goan. Is it right to treat this prince of Church a great lover of Goa? ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet]few more deals but all cheapest ones seems gone
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## things R not looking good now... Date 2wks3wks4wks 20Nov309 n/a - 28Nov319 349 - Contact Avro 01415597000 ext 2334 12Nov -- 539 19Nov - 360 539 26Nov -- 539 3Dec 351 351 - 10Dec351 - 739 Contact Ratnesh 21Dec599 - - Contact Ratnesh 0208 903 20Nov339 339 449 Contact mr. Abi 0158424300 Note: I am glad to know that 9 seats were taken so far(withinlast 3 days) 6 frm Ratnesh 3 frm Avro but only two came back to me. thanks a lot Mr.GM Mr. SdS, I do appreciate. Even understand some queries coming from out side UK like Portugal, Toronto etc At your service. = for Goa Goa Flights info.. http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/LetsGotoGoa New Official (Church) Site on the SFX Exposition.. http://www.archgoadaman.org/Dioceses/SFX/index.html GOAN NRI related.. http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Re: Goan books, writers, assumptions et al
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## wrt Samir's message, Samir is right. I am NOT going to parse my words with him even though I had written [BUT, I have YET to see ANY other Goan extend his Congratulations on this d-list.] However this is a response to Victor's posting. - Victor wrote: #1: Dr. Colaco's message that we all buy more books by Goan authors BEGAN with an attack on Goan authors who did not publicly congratulate Ben Antao on Goanet. JC response: GARBAGE! That is NOT how the message BEGAN please refer to Context. http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2004-November/020075.html == #2: I objected to it when he first made that attack and I object to it now. Private messages---including private messages of congratulation---DO NOT BELONG on Goanet. JC response: If GoaNet has any special EXCLUSIONARY guidelines for Congratulations, Admin please make them known. IF THAT IS THE POLICY should GoaNet also consider discontinuing the Birthday Greetings ? The other option is to impose selective Censorship on certaon people. == #3: I do not know Dr. Colaco, and have no animosity whatever towards him. JC response: Good for you that you do not know me. You at least know my name. Please afford us the courtesy of letting us know your full name . Unless, you are the only Victor in this world. In any event, As far as this discussion is concerned, you are the Victor. Congratulations and All the best. BTW: Victor has NOT responded to the assumptions bit. I assume he got the message Ite Missa Est. jose colaco _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/
[Goanet]NUVEM KUWAIT PARISHIONERS
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## NUVEM KUWAIT PARISHIONERS. This year one of the village based Goan organizations in Kuwait Nuvem Kuwait Parishioners is celebrating its Silver Jubilee. Twenty Five Years back it was formed in Kuwait by a few of the enthusiastic Nuvemkars. Originally when it was formed it was named as Nuvem Villagers in Kuwait and under this name it functioned for 6 years and thereafter it was changed to the present name Nuvem Kuwait Parishioners. Though initially it was started with handful of villagers but currently it boasts of having over 100 members who are all involved in the promotion of this organization. The motto of this association is to bring every member of Nuvem closer to one another for the benefit of every member and also for the benefit of their village Nuvem in Goa. No doubt this organization feels to do lot of activities yet little funds they have at their disposal is not sufficient enough to move at a faster and greater pace. Yet within its capacity it lends financial assistance to any of its needy members or for any needy cause back home in Goa. For example, back home, NKP have donated Benches for the Holy Family Church in 1986, financial assistance to organize Inter Village Volleyball Tournament at Church Ground in Nuvem in 1988, Mutual Financial support Rs. 50,000/- towards an Operation Request for Sickness Appeal, organized for Nuvemkars an Emergency travel Schedule to travel in Unity at the time of Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, financial assistance for the Society of St. Vincent St. Paul to help them to help the needy, donation of a Computer for the Parochial House of Nuvem Church Administration. Besides, NKP has done lot of good deeds which they will continue doing of course with the help of each and every member of Nuvem Village in Kuwait. To mark the Silver Jubilee, offering of Thanksgiving Holy Mass will be held at the Holy Family Cathedral in Kuwait City on 07.04 at 4.30 p.m. and thereafter a get to gather will be held at the popular Village In Restaurant 7.00 p.m. The committee consists of the following members: 1. ConceicaoTeotonio Gomes - President 2. Roque Fernandes - V. President 3. Lino Gabriel Fernandes - Gen. Secretary 4. Santano Fernandes - Dy. Gen. Secretary 5. Agusto C. Fernandes - Treasurer The following are Active Members: Ivan Gomes Roque De Costa Agnelo Borges Frank Vaz Alvaro Dias Raphael Gomes On behalf of myself and all the all wishers of Nuvemkars I wish Nuvem Kuwait Parishioners all the best on their Silver Jubilee Celebration and hope they will complete many more years not only to serve Nuvemkars but also to serve all the Goyenkars who are doing good work for the cause of Goa. It is very nice to see them together united for the last 25 years. A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.com/
[Goanet]Iffy Angle on IFFI
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## RE: Goan Voices' on And Bollywood's vote goes to Goa of Nov 4 1. Cannes and Venice are said to be tourist destinations whose film festivals are yet another attraction. Only few know that Cannes took decades to establish itself as an international film festival with enlightened French government involvement whereas Goa seems to be under the delusion that it has already arrived, festival-wise, and could concentrate on road upgrades (including for the coincident Exposition) instead of film infrastructure. Expecting to have an instant hit on its hands may be a serious mistake! 2. New Delhi is notorious for being a festival venue that is government oriented. Goa may not have been able to shake off this strangle hold so far. Film aspects have been the least of the Goa govt's priorities as these are accepted as being in Delhi's bailiwick. The heritage building of which much has been made recently is partly restored as the IFFI office to which the Delhi directorate folks can retire for an occasional Goan holiday! So far, reportedly, all the money has been spent out of Goa's pocket with not a single cent from the Centre which initially was touted as being good for as much as Rs 500 cr! 3. It is not clear as to whose brainwave the choice of IFFI actually was -- whether Shyam Benegal's as per the current write-up, the ex-IB Minister Ravi Shankar Prasad (or his predecessor Sushma Swaraj) or even CM Parrikar. Some grist here for the film historian's mills. 4. So its confirmed. The agreement is only for running IFFI in Goa this year. Reportedly the decision about next year/permanent venue will be made based on feedback from the international delegates. These will be virtually a handful and we can be sure that no stone will be left unturned to wine and dine them over to Goa's side. Who knows what the quality of the festival programming itself will be and how the infrastructure holds up. Some talk of an Asian theme. Others talk of an Italian flavour etc. The agitators who naturally see an unnecessarily high profile IFFI as a golden opportunity to arm twist the government will also have to be pacified and neutralised in time. 5. For next year's IFFI Goa, be prepared for the freshly paved roads to be dug up all over again to lay underground electric cables (to solve those pesky power outage problems that chronically afflict the State) or for some other inane reason (including re-work of this year's crash jobs [no pun intended!] though no excuse seems needed to mess up a newly surfaced road and potholes are always there to oblige anyway).
[Goanet]Re: Thank You Silviano but we Goans are a pitiful lot - Never mind the BIG Talk
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Sorry, I got to this message late. As many of you are perhaps aware, I am in Dubai right now. Unfortunately, I don't get enough time to go through goanet as much as I wish I could. Over the last few days, I deleted more than 2000 emails from goanet without reading them. Just browsing goanet today, I noticed the thread on Ben Antao's election. For Jose to say that some of us Canadian Goans must congratulate Ben on his post is ridiculous. Is it a must or should we or anyone be provoked into doing things to someone else's wishes?\ I personally feel Ben hasn't yet arrived as a novelist. I think in a review for the GOA Pulse, I said his Images of Goa was a good bedside book. It was personal narrative with Ben not disclosing names of some of those he has mentioned in a circumspect way. If I remember correctly, one example that comes to mind is Dilip Sardesai, the Test cricketer, who was a schoolmate or classmate of Ben's. Ben disclosed the person's anonymity after I asked him. I think he told me that he wanted to avoid 'dropping names. Though with just one book to his credit, Ben has made a big leap to become president of the Toronto chapter. In this context, it's good to remember the late Ladis da Silva, who was also member of PEN Canada. As I have noted on this forum, I believed Ladis was a better artist, known for his pen-sketches, than a writer or historian. But writing was his passion. Ladis was also made a member of the Institute Menezes Braganza. I brought out this subject with a leading figure of the institute and this historian (who is no more with us) told me with a shrug that I shouldn't persue this subject. I have read Ben's few pieces in Goan Observer. Good feature writing. The pieces I read didn't convey him as a essayist. I am awaiting to read the rest of the pieces in book form. To be in support of Jose's point, we need to be proud that Ben has been elected to this post. That reminds me, how many of goanetters congratulated ourselves on the success of brother Bobby Jindal making it to the US Congress? Eugene --- Dr. José Colaço [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## re: Writer Ben Antao elected President, Canadian Authors Association, Toronto Branch Silviano Barbosa wrote on Tue Oct 26 22:09:45 2004 Congratulations to writer Ben Antao, our own Goan author from Toronto, who was elected President of Canadian Authors Association, Toronto Branch last week. Ben keeps himself busy these days writing regularly for The Goan Observer, among myriad other things, which include short stories, reviews, novels, plays, etc. Ben's new book is going to be published very soon in Goa. He has already published his first book Images of Goa several years ago. Best of luck and success to you Ben in your new endeavour! Dear Siliviano, Thank You very much for spreading the Good News. It is always an honour for ALL of us Goans when a fellow Goan is honoured in such a manner. It is NOT always that North American Writers Societies honour an individual whose genetics are from a distant land. All the more, dear Ben - CONGRATULATIONS and well done I intentionally waited a week before writing about this. BUT, I have YET to see ANY other Goan extend his Congratulations on this d-list. What happened to our stalwart Canadian Goans on GoaNet e.g. John D'Souza, Tim D'Mello and Eugene Correia. NOT ONE SINGLE WORD on Goanet. Perhaps they have visited Ben at his home in Toronto to wish him personally. Perhaps they telephoned him up or e-mailed him. Perhaps they have done diddly squat. Did NOT see anything on GoaNews either !?! (if I missed it - do forgive) In any event, I trust that these 4000+ Goans who are members of GoaNet will at least support our Goan brother Ben by purchasing his books. all together, let us see 100 books being bought by GoaNet members. That will be a miracle. And what about the World Goa Day outfit? Renebab? que pasa. Do you too note that we Goans have funds and time for Jamboree, Picnic, BBQ but NOT to support our Goan writers? Let's make it 5 books for the World Goa Day chappies. What a crying shame ! jose We at The Goan Forum will do the
[Goanet]Paulo or Bernando -- same or different?
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Just the other day, I was going through old issues of The International Indian, a bimonthly published in Dubai and now in its 12th edition. I saw an interview with Paulo Colaco Dias, based in UK, at a quick glance, seems to highlight Portuguese era in Goa. I will read the piece throughly and quote from it. One issue of IntIndian also has a write-up and interview with Mario Miranda by Sucheta Potnis. I think there's one on Indians in Portugal. Since Bernado and Paula are both based in UK, I am skeptical if both are the same person as I understand Bernado is a fake identity. Eugene __ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com
[Goanet]Santosh Helekar on 'right'
## # If Goanet stops reaching you, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] # # Want to check the archives? http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/# # Please keep your discussion/tone polite, to reflect respect to others # ## Santosh wrote that he will continue to oppose his policies as long as they remain radically tilted to the right. Seems to me that he is saying that anything that is radically tilted to the right is by definition wrong. Does not mount to much of an argument, since one can say that anything one is opposed to is radically tilted. And what about radically tilted to the left? And who is to decide? What I am trying to say is that one should oppose or support based on merits of the case, and not because it is perceived to have a tilt. Even a person who is tilted to a direction that one does not prefer may well make sense in certain cases. Sachin Phadte _ The happening world of BPO! Know all that you need to know! http://www.bpowatchindia.com/msn/ Keep in step with whats hot!
