[Goanet] Goanet Reader -- The Creeping Malaise: When Youth Consume Themselves, Meaninglessly (VMdeMalar)
The Creeping Malaise: When Youth Consume Themselves, Meaninglessly by V. M. de Malar [EMAIL PROTECTED] The senseless murder of Mandar Surlakar by his own best friends has been a rude shock. All involved are our children -- young men who grew up in our famously relaxed, supposedly peaceful atmosphere. The murderers are not gangsters; they represent an affluent part of our society. This tragedy aches so much precisely because everyone involved is so clearly part of us, the best of our youth in whom so much is invested. In a steadily booming Goa, in a dramatically resurgent India, these kids had the world at their feet. All gone now, as their lives have been individually and collectively destroyed. Mandar has been cremated, and now we will watch helplessly as the hopes, dreams and potential of his killers also turn to mere ashes. It has been a rough few weeks for our gracious Goenkarponn. There has been ugly jostling on the insider-versus-outsider fault line. Just this week, we seen a spate of drownings, two and three at a time, bright young lives poured down the drain in an amazingly careless manner. And we've seen the constant presence of violent crime, of assaults and murders at the fringes of the real estate and tourism businesses, as profits and land values have soared past any expectations we might have had a few years ago. Mandar Surlakar's murder is surely connected to this boom. His killers demanded 50 lakhs (five million) rupees from his father, and killed him when they realized they weren't going to get it. It's the money culture that had them in its grips, and it is possible that drugs were involved. Either way, it's the environment of fast times and fast money that consumed these young Goans, and one of them paid the ultimate price. You can't blame the youth exclusively. They are simply playing out what they see in society around them. Every Goan knows that dirty business is afoot on a massive scale in our state, and we all see the perpetrators get away with everything, including murder. In our Goa, the big men tend to be thugs, kleptocrats, scamsters, crude wielders of the kind of power that comes from goons with choppers and contraband weapons. Not only do they get away with all of it scot-free, we've all seen that blatantly criminal activity leads directly to great influence, to an odd kind of popular respect, and to seats in the state Cabinet. Mandar's killers were nurtured in this environment, what messages did they absorb from childhood? * * * * * * * * * * Other Goanet threads on this topic: Peer rivalry cause of kidnap and killing? godfrey gonsalves http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-August/047102.html Murdered Vasco boy's close friends are the 'kidnappers and killers' JoeGoaUk http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-August/047117.html Murder of a DJ ... do we need to wait for a gruesome murder to know something is going wrong? FN http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-August/047149.html * * * * * * * * * * After his friend Anuj Joshi was brutally murdered by unknown assailants, the writer Sudeep Chakravarti diagnosed something he called Malaise de Goa. He looked at our raging tourism economy, at the tidal wave of cash overwhelming our state but leaving most locals high and dry, and found the stakes have become too high. Chakravarti says piece-of-the-action is also driving Goa to the edge and points the finger at that can of worms that we all know and recognize, the Mafia-like web that involves foreign once-tourists, thugs from the subcontinent, local land sharks, local law keepers, local lawyers, and local politicians. He's absolutely right -- we're living on top of something quite like a malevolent time bomb. It will continue to tick and claim victims until it is properly defused. Mandar never made it to his twentieth birthday. His murderers will see their lives wiped out as surely as their victim. It is a form of justice done. But that particular cycle of retribution does nothing for our broken culture. When will the murderers of our age-old values pay the price? When will the hopelessly corrupt officials be brought to reckoning? Will we shake free of the pestilential scourge of property developers who have formed such potent nexus with the shameless politicians? All of it can happen, but we need to recognize what is happening and what is at stake if we do not take hold of our culture right now. We need a change of heart, a collective conviction that enough is enough, that we can and will change course for the better. If not, it's clear to see, we'll find ourselves tormented again and again, as our youth consume themselves in the terrible, meaningless manner that we were compelled to witness this week.
Re: [Goanet] Shut-up, men!
Richard, before the English words, lots and lots of Portuguese words were introduced into catholic Konkani such as vestido, cozinha, juramento, cozinheiro, patrao, sossegado, (!), (a)cabar, etc. etc. But I was recently told that the real Konkani has proper words for everything and in fact, Konkani speaking Hindus do not mix Portuguese and English with their Konkani... Is that true? Paulo. PS: Ever since I learned Ugi Rao, can't stop using it! :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:goanet- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of richard Sent: 31 December 2001 19:59 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! Subject: Re: [Goanet] Shut-up, men! Hi, In fact many times I laugh at my own self when I think of my younger days and the way we used to pronounce the words without in the least bit realizing that they were English words. The railways tracks were just a few metres away from my aunt's house in Majorda and every time a train passed we used to say Guddus train geli. It was much much later that I realized that it was actually 'goods' train.Some of these English words rendered into Konkani were brought by people coming from Bombay as the famous word, auntie. Richard Cabral ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The rule about names
--- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But speaking about interpretation of rules, are the following rules being properly interpreted, or are they being re-interpreted differently from my own interpretation of them? Could you tell us whether they have ever been enforced? RULES THAT MIGHT HAVE AN INTERPRETATION DIFFERENT FROM MINE Do not use foul, offensive or abusive language. Maintain a level of decency and respect to fellow Goanetters at all times. Flame-baits and flame-wars will be rejected. Goanet will also reject all posts which are derogatory or offensive to any group based on gender, religion, caste, class, nationality, race or other such grounds. This does not mean that Goanet disallows discussion and debate on these issues; but all discussion should be conducted in a polite, non-derogatory and non-offensive manner. Do not engage in personal attacks. This includes name-calling of any sort. Discussion should focus on the facts and ideas being discussed, and not the person posting the same. Mario observes: If just the rules shown above were strictly enforced, 50% of Goanet posts would be rejected, including several posts by Dr. Helekar and myself:-)) ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Assistance required: Looking for my biological mother
I got adopted in the Netherlands. My biologial mother Angela Maria Dias used to live in Chandor, Goa. roman-catholic and now she'll be about 52 yrs old. Somene said she was a nurse. From 1 till 25 Nov 2006 I will be in Goa to look for her. I WOULD LOVE TO BE IN TOUCH WITH PEOPLE IN GOA WHO COULD HELP ME FIND HER. I need help now, best is to find her before I arrive. Please ask around for this woman to everyone you know. Anyone has conrete advice? Anyone willing to look in church registers/ hospitals. Online Goa phone directory has to many Dias es. She wrote a letter when I was little stating that she would love to see me in the future. My name is Savio Dias, born 13-Oct-1983 in Caranzalem. (She brought me to Orphange in Caranzalem on 16th May 1984, but that is closed now) My mothers brother (my uncle) was a catholic priest, they lived in a white house next to the church. I´ve visited Chandor some yrs ago and found no trace of Angela. She used to be a chubby, small woman with a kind face. The orphanage was: Society for Child Development House No 630 Caranzalem, Goa 403002 (But is has been closed for years !) birth certificate. place of birth: Caranzalem Tiswadi Goa registr. no D-1325 date of registration 24 5- 84 adress of mother Caranzalem J. No. 458 Tiswadi Goa The date under the certificate is 12-6-1984 On another certificate the following is mentioned: Savio Shubal Dias place of birth: Caranzalem Tiswadi Goa registr. no D-1325 date of registration 24 -5 84 adress of mother Caranzalem J. No. 458 Tiswadi Goa The date under the certificate is 12-6-1984 Thanks in advance for all the help I can get ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] pleasant memories of dhobhitalao
which part of dhobitalao i am from that area herman --- lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear all of goanet, I do enjoy reading all the articles that are mentioned here.I used to visit my aunt in dobhitalao ,so the readings abt it brought back pleasant memories. regards hazel fernandes uae. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org __ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] OBITUARY. KONKANI PROMOTER.
JOHNY MESQUITA SURATKAL. It is with deep regret and sorrow I pen down these lines to express my sorrow on the sad and untimely demise of our friend and colleague in Konkani movement in Kuwait, the late Johny Mesquita Suratkal. He died in Mangalore on 16th of this month and will be interred today at his home place in Mangalore. Johny Suratkal as he was known here amongsts us in Kuwait was a very strong Konkani lover, Konkani promoter and Konkani writer/journalist. He was also a very good stage artiste and used to take part in Goan and Mangalorean dramas. His writings appeared in all the Mangalorean newspapers and magazines. He was a strong link between Goan Konkani lovers and Mangalorean Konkani lovers. His association with me in the promotion of Konkani in Kuwait since a decade back was of enermous significance. Working together we created lot of ripples in our communities. He was a true lover of Konkani. A very simple man with simple habbits in life, his simple smile would attract any one towards him. A man without any anger I always found in him peaceful methods to carry forward his mission of Konkani. He never made any difference between Goan Konkani promoters and Mangalorean Konkani promoters. He always helped us to bring both the Konkani peoples together. With his help and assistance we managed to create a strong fusion between Mangaloreans and Goans. May His Konkani soul rest in peace and may the Heavenly God give courage to his wife and a son to accept this death. In his death Konkani will be poorer. Will we have another Johny Mesquita Suratkal to fill the void created by his death? Time alone will tell. On behalf of all my Konkani promoter colleagues and friends and also on behalf of two Kuwait Konkani Associations namely Kuwait Konknni Kendr and Konkani Heritage Kuwait, I send my condolences to his family thru this forum. Once again, May His Soul Rest In Peace. A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Vasco boy/Fr.Ferrao Murder Case: See What Today's papers reported
Vasco boy/Fr.Ferrao Murder Case: See What Today's papers reported -It seems the boy was killed around 5pm on 14th Aug. (?) -Body found more than 24hrs later (?) -Funeral took place after 50 hrs (16th 7pm) -Boy's brother blame Police for not doing enough and he said if the police taken appropriate action on the day, his brother could have been alive. -Boy's father also blame Ploce for letting off the two accused (Rohan Pai Dhurghat Nafiayaj Shaik) on the first day. -Where as many others (including BJP) blame police for going to the press when it was told not to by the kidnappers. -Some even doubt whether the boy was really killed on 14th as this could be police cooked up story or else, public will blame police for their negligence if the boy was actually killed on 15th. ok, check what toady's paper say..(improved scan) Vasco Murder NT and GT today 18/8/06 http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/218215756/ Vasco Murder(H) and Fr. Ferrao Case update http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/218215757/ please click on the other link below the pic for larger view This may also interests you.. There are so many DJs in Goa. By the name Ryan itlself there are up to 3 DJs. (As per News paper Ad). On the 14th Aug (the day of Kidnapping Murder) there was a show at RENDEVOUS at Donapaula wich was to start at 11am onwards and there were in all 12 DJs to perform viz. DJ Joel DJ Ryan park DJ Lorenz Brown DJ Ashton DJ Ryan Pinto DJ Roy DJ Marlon DJ Allwyn DJ Ryan DJ Suleiman DJ Merwin DJ Rinton Other DJs (elsewehre in Goa) DJ Noel DJ AjitDJ RiteshDJ YuriDJ NanuDJ MilindDJ Remy DJ Pearl DJ Nikhil ..but it seems there is just one Ryan Pinto (one of the 5 accused) As for the Dr. Pradeep Pai Durgat (father of one accused) It is said on the newspaper, that he is presently out of town and his despensary had a notice saying '..will remain closed for 8 days' His house was found locked too. The father/Dr. seems to be a nice person in Vasco but see how children put them to disrepute Finally, thank you all for your mails and feedback, 4 in all and that too upon request, (there will be no further reporting on Vasco Case unless there is somethng sensational comes up). But your requests/feedback can change this.. Check here how other people read my yesterday's.. = Joe, Thanks for those updates on the poor guy. I opened in Corel PhotoPaint and zoomed in. Its gets grainy so I did some squinting to get the text right. The first attachment was easier to read though. On the other hand if you scan at high resolutions the attachments get too big. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ All new Yahoo! Mail The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use. - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] require address and email id
Hi Tania, Here goes CALANGUTE: St Alex Church Calangute 403516 Ph 0091.832.2277378 Parish Priest: Fr Carmo Martins AP: Fr Jose Gomes AP: Fr Jean Da Cruz Fernandes PH: Fr Mario Pires PARRA: St Annes Parra PO 403510 Goa Tel: 0091.832.247 2933 Parish Priest: Fr Emidio Pinto No email contacts listed for either of these two churches in the 2006 Archdiocese of Goa and Daman (just out) directory. Regards and hope this helps. FN On 18/08/06, seb fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sir, Request you to kindly mail me the address and email id of St.Alex Church,Calangute,Bardez,Goa and also St.Annes Church, Parra. Kindly do the needful as soon as possible Its very very urgent -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] BOOK REVIEW: Young Female, Travelling Alone
Travelling the Asian trail August 8th, 2006 at 12:55 am (Goa books) · Edit Young Female, Travelling Alone Anne-Marie M Pop Young, Female Travelling Alone2005 iUniverse, Inc (New York, Lincoln, Shanghai) www.iuniverse.com Pp 149 US$12.95 REVIEWED BY Frederick Noronha Minutes after the postman rang the cycle-bell and dropped this book at the door, I was devouring it. As anticipated, it dealt with India. And, my next guess was right too: a significant section focussed on Goa, the former Portuguese colony on the Indian west coast that this reviewer call home Let’s shift focus to where it should go: the book and its author. Writer Anne-Marie M Pop is a Montreal-based computer engineer. In 2001, she took on a two-year job in Sweden, and then quit for a seven-month “backpacking journey through Asia”. This is a reflection — let’s not say ‘record’ — of her times in Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Malaysia and India. It takes her through Cambodian border scams and brothels, Buddhist meditation centres in Thailand, scenic islands, the Mekong and the rain forests. She also lands up in the sex-drugs-and-full-moon-party trail still surviving a generation after the hippies first sought solace and escapism in Asia. Anne-Marie’s book is an easy and entertaining read. It’s armchair-tourism from the safety of your own home, with the tantalising promise of bringing in close, but not too close, the perils that Asia. Anne-Marie M Pop faces many dangers. More so, as the “young female, travelling alone”. She’s critical of how Asian men treat women. And as an Asian male, this reviewer would acknowledge that she has a point. But is it Asian males alone? Oftentimes, oppression has a more subtle face on it. In Asia, it doesn’t. Not following culturally-apt behaviour could also be risky; and this holds true for any part of the globe, even if the risks play themselves out in differing ways. Her chapters are usually just two pages long. One comprises just four paras! While this may seem unusual, it makes for easy, relaxed reading. ‘Young Female Travelling Alone’ gives the reader both insights and an interesting travelogue into a number of diverse parts of Asia. But does it go deep enough? Does it repeat stereotypes that we are already brainwashed about? We’d leave that to the reader to judge. What this writer has to say about Goa and the rest of India struck a chord. She was writing about a place that’s barely eight kilometres from home. The last book of the kind is Dr Cleo Odzer’s “Goa Freaks”. [It’s a sad story of how a young Jewish lady got caught up with drugs, and almost died of it. [She cleant up, did her PhD on sex tourism in Patpong, and worked for a rehabilitation group in the US. But, earlier this decade, she returned to Goa, only to die her in an incident which still brings in many curious questions from people who knew her.] Anne-Marie M.Pop’s description was realistic and down to earth. No wonder, as a reviewer, one was both surprised and disappointed to read the ‘fiction/general’ tag on the back cover of the book. It’s so life-like, I thought it was true! Or, is it? [ See cover at http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com ] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Gender Issues and Festivals
Radhakrishnan Nair wrote: Hey, what the heck is going on? Who hounded Elisabeth out of this list? Is it you, Cecil? -- Dear Radhakrishnan, 1) I am not qualified to, or capable of, hounding out anyone from GoaNet. Specially not someone as spunky as Elisabeth. 2) You do me a big disfavour by suggesting that I would hound someone out of a discussion forum, specially a woman. The record will show that I have always encouraged persons of the fairer sex to write in, even if they are dark complexioned. I demand an immediate apology because you suggested otherwise. 3) I encouraged Elisabeth to come out of the closet, discard her nom du plume, and write with her real name. Which she has done in style. 4) Talking of closets just two days back was Gokulastami or Govinda or whatever, Lord Krishna's birthday I think. My sons study nearby at Bal Bhavan, a wonderful educational institution that celebrates all religious festivals with equal enthusiasm - Christmas, Diwali, Ganesh, Bakri Id, whatever. We parents were told to send our boys dressed as Krishna, which my wife Beatrice did by buying kurta pyjamas and the requisite headdress with a peacock feather in the centre. While dropping the boys off to school I noticed all the little girls had been dressed as Radha. Now will someone educate me as to... 1) Why on Krishna's birthday is his paramour also celebrated? 2) Why in the evening of the Govinda festival do they form human pyramids to break earthen pots filled with milk? 3) Radhakrishnan appears to be coined by co-joining names of opposite genders. Does it signify a bisexuality of sorts? Cheers! Cecil === ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The rule about names
Hi Santosh, I am glad that a section of Goanetters are speaking out in favour of a stronger interpretation of Goanet's rules. While I believe in free speech and the right of everyone to express their views (howsoever much I disagree with the same), I also believe that we should debate views not persons; insults never convince anyone; and we should use logic not name-calling. You may address your question below to the Goanet Admin Team, since we work collectively and my views expressed -- unless thoroughly discussed and agreed upon among the team in advance -- clearly do not reflect the views of the entire team (Herman Carneiro, Bosco D'Mello, Viviana Coelho and myself). And please could we here more from members: would you prefer a tighter interpretation of the rules, or will you just prefer to stand by and stay silent when someone (you know who) accuses your not-so-favourite moderator of being a censorer? --FN PS: And lest you guys have forgotten, please keep your birthday present ready for Goanet. Any 12 year old has a lot of expectations, you know! On 18/08/06, Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But speaking about interpretation of rules, are the following rules being properly interpreted, or are they being re-interpreted differently from my own interpretation of them? Could you tell us whether they have ever been enforced? ... P.S. My questions are addressed more out of curiosity than criticism of the thankless job you are doing. -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] How to check if there are Psychopaths on GoaNet
--- Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To my self description as a Borderline Psychopath... Vidyadhar Gadgil asked: Which side of the border? I will sing Vidyadhar a song that will make the answer, as to my psychological condition, self evident. There are enough elements of parting and gays to also appease dear departed Elisabeth and Gilbert. - with apologies to Patsy Cline Nasci queries! Cecil, you seem to be 'falling in Love' with the new Elisabethan avatar! Have you started 'pre flirting' to beat all others to a 'first date'?? Only joking! Nasci Caldeira. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Dating: It's free to check out our great singles! http://au.personals.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Sonapur Church
Joe Rose's mother in law had a hair cutting saloon. now they have a store which they sell all goan food / masalas / sweets in dhobitalao as i understand Joe Rose may be visiting London to act in a Drama in October --- Eugene Correia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was mentioned that Joe Rose had a restaurant. His father had a hair-cutting saloon. As for the other Goan restaurants, Snowflake is still running. But the restaurant is divided, with one part as a nursery school. Last year had bread pudding and market (chai/coffee mix), later same week watermelon juice at Bastani. Surprised to know Kyani closed down. In Toronto, a new Indian restaurant has been started by Goans who served Goan dishes. It had a stall at Viva Goa and from where I ordered bhel puri. The lineup for Goan dishes was too long. eugene __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org __ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Medical Info required; Goanet Digest, Vol 1, Issue 206
Dear Mr Mendes, Apollo Hospitals Margao do have a good laparoscopic surgeon Dr Misra who will do the job with key hole surgery. There are other hospitals in and around Goa including Dr AV Costa hospital Margao, Vintage Panaji and KLE (Belgaum) Hospital who also have good surgeons and facilities. Dr.Pascal PintoMDS;FDSRCS(Eng) Visiting Consultant Apollo Victor Hospitals,Vintage Vrundhavan Hospitals Goa and KLES Hospital Belgaum Karnataka. PINTO DENTAL MultiDisciplinary Dental Implant Clinic BRITESMILE Affiliate 315 Kamat Towers,EDC Plaza, Behind KTC Bus Terminus, Patto,Panaji.GOA Ph:5642066,2437398 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Tribute To Goan Seniors
Dear George Pinto, I enjoyed reading the synopsis by FN, of Edwin Saldanha's book on wine making. However with regard to the last paragraph Saldanha argues that a tiny bit of wine is healthy, specially after one crosses two-score and ten. (It's not good) for those young boys falling down in gutters near the bars, says he. His advice: a small 40 to 60 milliliter peg, taken at food time, and well diluted for someone above 50. This, he believes, could help digestion and circulation. I'm darned if Goan over-50's in the western world will settle for 60 ml of wine and that too diluted with water when the average volume of one wine glass should be between 200 to 250ml. Unless Mr Saldanha's wine is of 40% alcohol potency as compared to the average wine's 11%. If it is the strength of the former than of course it would be more a competitor to rye, bourbon, scotch, rum or vodka. In which case they would be forced to have a great deal of more respect to Mr Saldanha's wine. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] What is a Christian?
I would like to share the following message with Goanetters: What is a Christian? When I say I am a Christian, Im not shouting Im clean living. Im whispering I was lost; now Im found and forgiven. When I say I am a Christian, I dont speak of this with pride. Im confessing that I stumble and need CHRIST to be my guide. When I say I am a Christian, I am not trying to be strong. Im professing that Im weak and need HIS strength to carry on. When I say I am a Christian, Im not bragging of success. Im admitting I have failed and need God to clean my mess. When I say I am a Christian, Im not claiming to be perfect; my flaws are far too visible but, God believes I am worth it. When I say I am a Christian, I still feel the sting of pain, I have my share of heartaches. So, I call upon His name. When I say I am a Christian, Im not holier than thou, Im just a simple sinner who received Gods good grace, somehow. Author Maya Angelou. Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The Sonapur Church
Mrs. Anne Castellino is still there, her nephew mainly runs the hotel its a family business and they do cater for weddings parties etc on a large scale --- Bosco D'Mello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On August 15 00:59:29 PDT 2006, Edward Verdes wrote: Although I was in Bandra, I used to visit my aunt in Marine Lines.. that is Dhobitalao. I think the restaurant is Vienna and not Venice Resturant, RESPONSE: Yes it is Vienna restaurant. Its many years since I've seen Mrs. Castelino (of Porvorim). I last met her at a wedding in Mumbai. The family were an intricate part of many Goan lives, I am told. On Wed Aug 16 09:52:17 PDT 2006, Edward Verdes wrote: Eugene, Bastani is closed, Kyani is still open... Yes indeed. Bastani has closed and I think I had forwarded the story, from BBC, last year. Nevertheless, here is another story: http://in.news.yahoo.com/040415/43/2ckf1.html No more cube of bread-pudding or cream buns! Best - Bosco ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org __ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] parsis
Roland, Im afraid you have got it a bit wrong. The goans in the Armed Forces did not need any parsi to assist in their promotions! I can assure you that those who reached higher ranks, did so on their own merits. Nothing to do with Parsis whatsoever. I cannot however vouch for the other central govt. services. regards, Gilbert Menezes Message: 7 Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 22:22:55 -0400 From: Roland Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Goans and the Parsi Community To: goanet@goanet.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The Goan people in Bombay had the strongest bond with the Parsis, among all other Indian communities. all the way up or down. The Taj Hotel, the Central Bank of India, Tata Sons and all their holding companies and many more come to mind. In the professions, eminent Parsi surgeons and Parsi barristers nurtured Goan doctors and Goan solicitors. In the senior reaches of Government and the Armed Forces it was Parsi ICS and IAS officers, judges and Field and Air Marshals and Sea Admirals who made it possible for Goans to reach their own zenith. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Gender Issues and Festivals
Cecil, Some good questions. Maybe the text below holds some pointers: (1) Do you ask this question because you are the father of two boys, hoping to be a net recipient of dowry someday? Or because you don't recognise that all religions don't have sufficient space for women? Before Jose Colaco corrects me, neither do the Marxist parties, democratic political platforms, and the Republicans. (2) Why ask? Check Wikipedia (a standard FN reply). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_KRISHNA And would you believe this: Krishna was canonized by Aleister Crowley and is recognized as a saint in the Gnostic Mass of Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica. If we had more Wikipedias around, we might have had less communalism! (3) Why the Freudian interpretation? It's just a double-insurance policy taken by ArkayEn's parents. Like those taxi drivers who carry deities of more than one faith tradition on their carriage. Why take risks, eh? While the Great Tradition looks down on this, it is syncretism par excellence as our anthropologist friends would say. FN On 18/08/06, Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) Why on Krishna's birthday is his paramour also celebrated? 2) Why in the evening of the Govinda festival do they form human pyramids to break earthen pots filled with milk? 3) Radhakrishnan appears to be coined by co-joining names of opposite genders. Does it signify a bisexuality of sorts? -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Perspective on Indian and Pakistani Muslims in UK
--- Frederick \FN\ Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe In some cases, relations between Europeans and Muslims are tense today, causing growing racism and xenophobia from both sides. During the half-century before World War II, religious persecution in Europe was chiefly Anti-Semitic. After the Holocaust and exodus of the Jews from Europe, some believe that these attitudes were replaced by anti-Islam tendencies. Nasci queries? Fred, you seem to have completely missed out on the fact of Muslim Expansionism into pre dominantly Christian Europe, before WW1 and WW2; when under the Turkish Ottoman Empire, the Muslims force converted many a whole populations in the countries from Constantinople to almost all the Balkan states and also the states going north from Turkey up to the Caspian Sea, to then Czarist Russia's borders! North of the Balkans the Muslim advance was only stopped in Hungary, which country they occupied and from where they also retreated! They did not enter Austria, and it was then that the Austrians joined the Hungarians to defeat the Muslim Conquerers as illustrated by the famous incident of when the muslim forces where lured into eating 'Croissants' their holy Crescent Moon. These were laced with a deadly strong liquor to wholly lull the forces into sleep etc, thereby enabling their defeat and retreat! As told to me by a Hungarian person who is a close friend of mine, this was the very first time that bread was served in the shape of the Crescent Moon, laced of course! From then on the 'Croissant' was widely prepared in Europe, and the French made it their speciality. More pertinent to the above story is the fact that the muslim forces brutally murdered large sections of populations, who did not convert, and rewarded those that did. That is why you find Muslims with Christian Slav names in the old Yugoslavia and Bosnia and Albania included. What I am trying to highlight is that the violent muslim conquest and conversion of parts of Christian Europe, is what caused the inherent distrust and chauvinism against Muslims then and has simply continued to this day. That's my two paise worth! Nasci Caldeira Melbourne, Down Under. On Yahoo!7 Messenger - Make free PC-to-PC calls to your friends overseas. http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] St Xaviers Chapel (Carnac Rd Bombay) and the Sonapur Church
Hi Nasci You brought me sweet memories of Dhobitalao - which is known as MINI GOA I am basically born and bred up from Our Lady of Seven Dolours Sonapur Parish Dhobitalao and was actively involved in all activities which area did you live in - i have a place near vienna hotel. regards Herman D'Souza P.S. nice to know that there are successfully goans from dhobitalao here on the goanetters --- Nasci Caldeira wrote: Hi goanetters, Since the above topic, after the news item that the Xavier Chapel will close, has caught the attention of many a goanetter, I hereby add my recollections. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Nachne
Thanks a bunch Fred. Glad to know you are having fun with your kids while also getting them to do what you want them to do in a fun way. Wonder if the final product (tizan) will taste the same versus extracting the juice after the nachne are soaked and coarsely ground. Have you tried it with the ground flour? I missed out on the earlier postings on NACHNE so I have no idea what was discussed. However, I was looking forward to someone at goanet confirming if nachne is the same as millet. I agree with you, our Goan cooking is time consuming but no one can beat us to the taste. Florina ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Domnic's Silver Jubilee at work
Just wanted to let everyone know that our very own Domnic Fernandes, who has been regaling us with his recounting of what happened in the Goa of yore, today completes 25 years working for Saudi Aramco. I am sure many will join me in wishing him all the best and hoping that his pen never runs dry, or to put it in modern terms, that his memory stick never fails! Cheers! Cecil = ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Sonapur Church
people who lived in dhobitalao / Sonapur - love it its a hub for many goans --- English Books - Al Hasa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, There is also one house in the lane of David and Co, which caters food and is crowded in the afternoons, with lots of Goans who eat there. I believe the people who do the catering are Mangloreans. It was a chance happening that I heard of this place and really enjoyed the food. As for Hotel Vienna, its now a lodging with rooms available. Last time I had gone there, their restaurant business had closed down. As for the water melon juice as mentioned by Eugene, I tried in Mapuca in the cold drink shop near the temple, ( not Hanuman cold drink shop) and it really sucked, I would give 100 marks for the one available in Kayani. Cheers Jerry Fernandes From: Edward Verdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Sonapur Church To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Eugene, Bastani is closed, Kyani is still open... In Jan when I went down for my usual quota of Konkani music cassettes, Bastani was closed. I remember the cashier used to keep a live cock at the cash counter. On 3rd Marine street, there is a restaurant 'Nova Goa' but they were not so good. Edward Verdes It was mentioned that Joe Rose had a restaurant. His father had a hair-cutting saloon. As for the other Goan restaurants, Snowflake is still running. But the restaurant is divided, with one part as a nursery school. Last year had bread pudding and market (chai/coffee mix), later same week watermelon juice at Bastani. Surprised to know Kyani closed down. In Toronto, a new Indian restaurant has been started by Goans who served Goan dishes. It had a stall at Viva Goa and from where I ordered bhel puri. The lineup for Goan dishes was too long. eugene --- This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Administrator. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. Finally, the recipient should check this e-mail and any attachment for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. Jarir Bookstore ..not just a bookstore Visit us: www.jarirbookstore.com 17/8/2006 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org __ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn something new http://in.answers.yahoo.com/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] OCI
Has any Goanetter obtain OCI (Overseas Citizen of India)? If so, could you share the procedure please ? Andy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of percy ferrao Sent: 18 August 2006 03:46 To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] OCI Dear Mario, Thanks your email on the OCI card. Is it true that USA/UK will not be in a position to provide consular protection to its citizens in thier country of second nationalality, and to what extent ? Regds Percy Ferrao Ealing road ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goan victim of racism in the UK
http://oheraldo.in/node/18058 Goan victim of racism in the UK E Pinto South Shields Tyne and Wear United Kingdom I am a Goan, marine engineering student studying at the South Tyneside college, South shields, Tyne Wear, United KIngdom. The following incident has taken place and would be grateful if you would include this in the Letters column of ur esteemed newspaper. This is to bring to the people of Goa and India the consequences of terrorism threats on the Indian people which live in UK. Some of them do not intend to settle in UK but are simply students. This is an incident which took to a Goan boy answering his marine engineering exams in South Shields on the 10 of August, 2006, the day on which the bomb threats were revealed.I presume that that the incident went unnoticed and never came up in the papers. But since the boy, was from Goa it would be right for the people of Goa to know. The boy was bashed by three white people outside the Chicester railway station, Southshields, Tyne and Wear in the evening at 5:30 for reasons relating to the unrest created by the bomb threats, for no fault of his. It was because of an Indian friend who called 999 and averted a major accident. His face was bashed with deep injuries to the left side of his face. The police on arrival weren't able to do anything,neither did they provide any first aid to the victim.In short this incident was totally ignored.This really brings up the issue of racism in this country of UK and it does prevail. Indians are treated as crap. Imagine if Goans had treated the English in Goa in the same way as they treated Indians then it would have been a balanced system, but fortunately we are more civilised. -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] 19th August LPG Consumers Safety Camp at Motivaddo, Majorda
- Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members, relatives, neighbours and friends. Help others be BETTER INFORMED, The time is come for the people of Goa to ORGANISE not AGONISE !! - --- LPG Consumers Safety Camp at Majorda on Saturday 19th August. --- The Majorda-Utorda-Calata Residents and Consumer Forum in collaboration with M/s Aurora Electric Co. is organising a Safety Camp for the benefit of the LPG consumers of Hindustan Petroleum on Saturday 19th August at 4.00pm near Holy Cross Chapel, Motivaddo, Majorda. The LPG Safety Camp is organised by the Distributor of HP Gas and the Consumer Forum to provide instructions to the consumers on the safe use of LPG cylinders. Demonstration and instructions on fitting the gas regulator, detection of gas leakages, change of rubber tube, insurance cover for consumers, mechanical check by authorized personnel of the Distributor and emergency services by Hindustan Petroleum will be provided at the Safety Camp. The resource person for the program will be Mr. S. Karve Senior Sales Officer, HP Gas. Consumers of Majorda are invited to attend the LPG Safety Camp and take benefit of the services provided. GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK --- promoting civic and consumer rights in Goa --- GOACAN Post Box 187 Margao, Goa 403 601 GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: 8/18/2006 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Shut-up, men!
Words like ice-croat and words with begining with sp..tend to add the ees...espicial...esport...estation Below are some eg of english/konkani words used by Goemcars in mumbai from my posting : http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2004-September/018539.ht ml So let me give you a few basic ground rules so that the next time you are in Borivili, Mumbai you can blend in perfectly.. * Always use 'D' for Th. * Never use 'H' anywhere, they are always silent. * Using 'What' even if there's no question asked. * Using a Hindi Verb with an English ending * Using words twice to emphasise your point. * Just like the Americans use 'man' in their slang, only we use 'men'. * Just like the Americans use 'like' in their slang, we use 'no' Giving you 'masterpieces' like...: * 'Ow you men Seby? (Situation: Meeting Seby on Saturday morning in the bazaar) * 'She was giving me dis dis small pomflits (while showing the size of her palm) for bledy 50 rupees men' (Situation: Seby's wife explaining her adventures in the bazaar, later that day) * Aarre, Dat bledy Sandy no, yesterday he lagao-ed solid whisky for the communion party men (Situation: The retired men talking in the Bazar during the Sunday morning mass sermon) * 'You don't have any sense what riding the cycal so fast' (Situation: Spinster aunty yelling to a schoolboy on Bazar Road) * Run, Men Savio,..Put tru men, put tru..ghal re... (Situation: Classic line heard at IC Church ground during a football match, asking Savio to bend the ball like Beckham) * Aarre see dere men, dere, arre left men, see dere men, arre big bugger men dere' (Situation: Boys stealing mangoes in the afternoon in Melba's compound. * Aaaye, what men basket, why you are saying anyting aboud my mudder and fadder, I call boys now...' (Situation: Often heard after a Saturday nite binge) * (H)ail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou ...Norma, just see whether the gas is put off in the kitchen .. amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus ..it's put? ... ok .Holy Mary.. (Situation: Family rosary at the Pereiras) * You know, Milagrin, dat day I took little ginger garlic no, little onion, so much so much masala dat I ground, put chicken and the curry came good men...' (Situation: Swapping recipes while standing and gossiping at the junction with the Goa bag full of groceries at their feet) Edward Verdes Of course, he's right. There are other Konkani words that have crept their way into English. Or the other way round, with English words entering Konkani. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Albert writes
I think many of you will be eating tizan only. I have heard that the D'Souza's from hyderabad,their house is opp Mario Cordeiro's house and are called arshekaniguer used to prepare small tablets called albosang. I hope I am right as I only heard this and this albosang was prepared from the millets and bought by people and taken as tonic. It is good for young and old. When my mother had a fall and there was a big wound on her which was not healing the doctor had advised me to give her tizanne as that contains proteins.Tizan can be prepared in various forms as I have already wrote last time and now I heard about Tiazana dodol. I must try it.I have already given the receipe of fotobol.try that and see albert _ NRIs: Send Money FREE! Go ahead and register now! http://ads.mediaturf.net/event.ng/Type=clickFlightID=20273AdID=65989TargetID=11172Targets=11172Values=202,414,1093,1264,3122Redirect=http:%2F%2Fwww.icicinri.net%2Fmoney2india%2F%3Fm2i%3DBAC-MSN%26att%3DMSNTLM2I18CHAR%26rfr%3DMSNTLM2I18CHAR ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Cuncolim Consumer Forum to observe World Goa Day on 20th August
- Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members, relatives, neighbours and friends. Help others be BETTER INFORMED, The time is come for the people of Goa to ORGANISE not AGONISE !! - - Cuncolim Consumer Forum to observe World Goa Day on 20th August -- The Cuncolim Civic and Consumer Forum (CCCF) will have its monthly general meeting of consumers on Sunday 20th August at 10.30m at the Maria Bambina High School, Cuncolim. Among the issues to be discussed are complaints on injection of school children with unknown substances by unknown persons, violation of Packaged Commodities Rules and sale of fake,spurious and adulterated goods during the festive season, service related problems of PWD water supply, Electricity, Bus Transport, BSNL Telephones, Post Office, Cable TV, review of LPG services by Hindustan Petroleum and preparation of Identity cards for Senior Citizens. The CCCF in collaboration with GOACAN will also observe WORLD GOA DAY with a panel discussion on the topic GOA OF MY DREAMS wherein the speakers will be fashion designer Wendell Rodricks, Cuncolim Municipal Council Chairperson Filonio Vaz, agriculturist Shrihari Kurade, educationist Tilroy Fernandes and College HSS student representatives. Consumers of Cuncolim are invited to attend the meeting and participate in the deliberations. - Press Release from Cuncolim Civic and Consumer Forum Contact Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - --- GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK --- promoting civic and consumer rights in Goa --- GOACAN Post Box 187 Margao, Goa 403 601 GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.3/423 - Release Date: 8/18/2006 ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Ophelia Honoured in Kuwait.
FELICITATION FOR OPHELIA IN KUWAIT. On 12th of this month Goan Stage artiste Ophelia was honoured in Kuwait under the auspices of Konkani Heritage Kuwait. The felicitation was held at Village Inn, in Kuwait City and was well attended by her lovers and admirers, including all the visiting artistes namely William de Curtorim, John DSilva, Osvi Viegas, Babli and Antonette de Calangute. One of the surprise attendees was Ophelias Stage colleague and renowned artiste of yesteryears H. Briton who is currently in Kuwait visiting his children. The felicitation function started with the offering of Flower bouquet to Ophelia by the young girl Caren who is the daughter of Fidelis Fernandes. Then the proceedings started with the opening speech by Fidelis Fernandes welcoming Ophelia, Chief Guest Salvador Dias visiting artistes and all the attendees. The proceedings of the function consisted of speeches, songs by the Tiatrists, a Mando and a Poetry recital. H. Briton in his speech highlighted his close association with Ophelia on Konkani Stage for many years in many of the Tiatros in Goa and Bombay and admired Ophelia for her natural acting. Rosary Ferns in his speech highlighted Ophelias contribution in the promotion of Konkani Stage during the last so many years. John DSilva, Osvi and William de Curtorim also praised Ophelia for her yeomen services for Konkani Stage. They also appreciated Konkani Heritage Kuwait for organizing such felicitations and giving due recognition to the Konkani Stage artistes. Ophelia in her speech of course tears rolling down her cheeks thanked KHK and all her well wishers for remembering her contribution to Konkani Stage. She even went a step further and said that what Goa Government could not do for her in Goa finally Kuwait Goans under KHK has done, of course under thunderous applauding by the attendees. Then she concluded her speech by thanking everyone for showing his/her affection to her. She said she was overwhelmed by the warm welcome she received in Kuwait from each and everyone. Ophelias daughter Babli in her extempore speech surprised everyone by disclosing her intelligence of speaking on the subject at the spur of the moment on the greatness of her mother as an artiste. To further support her speech she even sang a verse and a chorus of a song of yesteryears highlighting the importance of her mother and late father Bab Peter. Being a Bombayite her Konkani is very neat and fluent without any false pride of false accent normally existed in the semi literate and intellectually bankrupt anglicized Goans. Salvador Dias the president of Kuwait Goan Association as chief guest expressed his feelings of yesteryears Ophelia whom he used to admire as a young boy. Sanny de Quepem rendered his memorable solo Tiatro and Tiatrists while H. Briton rendered his well acclaimed song Tujea Ghora Samkar Mojem Ghor and William de Curtorim his latest solo Ran Dukor Goyche Montri and a Mando with a Dulpod by Antonette de Calangute, Rosary Ferns, Sanny de Quepem and Sylvester Vaz. Musical score was provided by Rabindra Pietro. A beautiful poetry in praise of Ophelia was recited by Walley Quadros who is a renowned Mangalorean Poet. A. Veronica Fernandes compeered the proceedings. The commemorative Memento depicting a gold plated Dhow was presented to Ophelia thru the hands of the president of Konkani Heritage Kuwait, Mr. Fidelis Fernandes. Before leaving for Bombay, Ophelia speaking to this writer and even phoning from Bomaby after reaching home, expressed her total happiness and satisfaction over what has been done for her in Kuwait by the Goan community. She said she was overwhelmed by the warm welcome given to her. She stressed more on the cooperation she received from all her artiste colleagues, musicians, audience, Kuwait Goan Association, Konkani Heritage Kuwait and all who came to see her acting in Tiatro Ghor Bhandlem Ghorabo Moddlo. She regretted that she could not thank everyone individually. She even said that she will keep everyone in her prayers. A. Veronica Fernandes, Kuwait. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The rule about names
--- Frederick \FN\ Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Santosh, I am glad that a section of Goanetters are speaking out in favour of a stronger interpretation of Goanet's rules. Hi Frederick, Thanks. Anybody who violates the rules more than 50% of the time is a burden on the Goanet administrators. I am in favor of suspension or even expulsion of such a character if he does not stop the serial abuse forthwith. But to ease the burden, I think each of us ought to help in the proper enforcement of the rules. We ought to point out instances of rule violation whenever we spot them, without being concerned about further abuse in retaliation. I think Gabe, Bosco and you have done this in the past. I have tried to do this as well. Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Elizabeth's decision
Hi Elisabeth, Great to read your post and congratulations about your decisions. Perhaps it was your controversial posts that kept many issues alive with new perspectives. We certainly can learn much form you. Many have little creativity, and they only react to other peoples's post. This rather than write or start some original threads like you. The sad part, when some respond, there is little interest in advancing the dialogue. Their sole effort is to just make the subject controversial, totally extraneous to the topic. Few intellectual types have developed the knack of substituting thoughtful points with innuendos and insults. And a few others have replaced making sense for long never-ending English essays. So you are indeed an asset to Goanet, without the nom de plume. Your echo-chambers on Goanet certainly missed you.:=)) Kind Regards, GL ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] OCI
--- percy ferrao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mario, Thanks your email on the OCI card. Is it true that USA/UK will not be in a position to provide consular protection to its citizens in thier country of second nationalality, and to what extent ? Mario responds: Percy, As far as I know, the US considers US Passport holders as American citizens, and does not even track whether an American citizen has obtained citizenship in another country. I believe Britain takes the same approach. Regarding your concern about an American or British citizen requiring consular help in another country where they have a dual citizenship I can only point out that both countries evacuated their citizens of Lebanese descent during the recent war with Israel, even though most of those people also had Lebanese citizenship. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Perspective on Indian and Pakistani Muslims /response Sachin
--- Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: America is predominantly a Caucasian society. A Russian immigrant within two generations will be totally assimilated into mainstream America. Any community of a different colour is forever a minority or immigrant. Mario observes: 1. While a person of color would, by definition, be a numerical minority in the US, which currently has a Caucasian population of 67%, it is factually inaccurate to say that they are forever an immigrant, which only their original ancestor would be. 2. The percentage of Caucasians in the US is dropping at a fairly rapid pace. 3. Assimilation in the US and it's implications in real life is a only an academic issue. Actually assimilation in the US is frame of mind. The proof of this is that the top two ethnic groups in this most competitive of countries where 67% of the population is Caucasian, are Indians and Filipinos, both immigrant populations of color. 4. It is just flat-out false to say that Russian immigrants assimilate faster in the US than colored immigrants just because they are white. Assimilate with whom? The percentage of colored immigrants is now 33% and growing rapidly. Many east-European Americans, like the Poles, Hungarians and Russians, retain their ethnic identities even though they have been in the US for several generations. While they are white their ethnic tastes and ethnic names differentiate them from other white Americans. In the meantime some Asian communities in the US have been here for almost 200 years. Selma writes: The lack of assimilation doesn't bother the American-Indian. He is after all the richest ethnic group in America. So while he partakes of America's munificence, he doesn't necessarily want to be part of it. Mario observes: Not only have I lived in the US since before Ms. Carvalho was born, I have helped create three real native-born Americans at least one of whom is older than Ms. Carvalho, and all three have assimilated into American society in half a generation by any standard anyone would like to use. I can categorically say that, from my perspective, the American-Indians that Ms. Carvalho describes are only one segment of American-Indian society. The community now has essentially it's first generation of American born children in young adulthood, with the next generation mostly infants and toddlers. As the most affluent ethnic group in the US anyone who travels across America will see that the American-Indian is fully assimilated into American society by any objective standard, while retaining various levels of ethnic identity as they choose to. Thus we are no different from any other American ethnic group in a country where anyone who wants to belong can belong. Some American-Indians have also shed their blood in the service of this country, the ultimate test of one's loyalty to the US and it's ideals. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] DEAR RENE - WORLD GOA DAY.
Dear Rene, World Goa Day is here and we will not rain on your parade. This is your moment and you have done much to deserve it.Tempus fugit. When it is over, the last kals of feni downed and the last morsel of sorpotel scraped, we will sit down and cross the chasm. And next year do something worthwhile so that WGD will unite abd not divide. And finally pay tribute to that quiet, solitary, unknown Goan who really founded World Goa Day, an aeon ago. FR. ___ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] benign neglect from My reasons for a nom de plume
--- Jose Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see nothing wrong with the above quoted from Gilbert Lawrence. All he says (in effect) is that he (Gilbert Lawrence) would IGNORE an atheist, as also someone who smokes, divorced, lives a homosexual life style or cheats on his spouse. --- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find Gilberts statement bigoted because of the following reasons: 1. Under all democratic constitutions an atheist is no different from a person of any other faith. He/She should not be treated differently from others because of his/her religious beliefs or lack thereof. Nobody would dare to announce in this forum that he/she reacts to a Catholic with benign neglect. Mario observes: Santosh is correct that all individuals in a democracy are to be treated equally under the law. However, for an individual to treat someone else with benign neglect is not against any law in any democracy the last time I checked. Santosh also has a short and self serving memory. While he didn't suggest that Catholics or other religious people be treated with benign neglect, he did denigrate their rock solid moral code as fake morality using basically bogus evidence. Santosh writes: 2. The lumping of a smoker, a divorcee, a homosexual and an atheist with someone who cheats on his/her spouse reveals how contemptuous and discriminatory Gilbert is towards the former four types of individuals. Nobody would dare to claim in this forum that his benign neglect towards a Catholic or a Goan is no different from that towards someone who cheats on his/her spouse. Mario observes: The word bigoted is defined as a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance. Whether suggesting that a group be treated with benign neglect meets the standard of showing hatred and intolerance is highly questionable, especially when compared to Santosh's accusing all religious people as having a fake morality. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goencho Ulo- Konkani Day issue
Dears, The World Konkani Day issue of the GOENCHO ULO has gone to print and hard copies will be distributed on Sunday 20 August, the day in 1992 when Konkani entered the *8th Schedule of the India Constitution via the 71st Constitutional Amendment. For the convenience of those who would like to say a few words of Konkani on World Goa Day, the issue is being loaded by Joel on www.goacom.com on 19 August.It has a few easy to say snetences in Konkani with the English translation, courtesy Domnic Fernandes. It will also be available on www.fullerlife.in soon. In Goa, the 15th Festival of Plants Flowers is being celebrated on three days from 19 to 21 August at SFX School, Siolim. We have to preserve our environment and our language. Our people have always migrated all over the world but Goa is changing rapidly. When they come home, there may be no Goa left. Take interest while there is still time. Money is not a great shake in Goa anymore. People from all over India, Israel, Russia, USA, Canada have invested in properties in Goa. Our beach fronts and our markets could be anywhere else in India. Hindi, Kannada and Oriya are more useful than Konkani in the market place. If you want that changed, be a part of the change. As we bring out this issue, I humbly acknowledge the support and encouragement of Ben Antao[Canada], Menino Peres [Director of Information Publicity], Department of Tourism, Directorate of Agriculture and other advertisers, the ground work done by Joel D'Souza, Bonaventure D'Pietro [Editors] Fr. Pratap Naik/ Anagha Kamat and Preeta Naik of TSKK, Tomazinho Cardoz [Consultant Editor], the Production team consisting of Roque Fernandes, Varsha Jagui, Sapresh Karbe, Lita Pereira and the articles contributed by Cecil Pinto, Daniel F.D'Souza, Dr. Jayanti Naik[ Goa Konkani Akademi], Isidore Dantas [Mumbai]. I also thank Tim D'Melo of Goacom.com and Leo D'Melo of Fuller life for hosting GOENCHO ULO on the websites. Finally, it is the tremendous reader response that keeps a publication going. We look forward to people dipping into their long pockets to support the cause. We will not beg. It is in your interest to support it. It can help sustain change by giving every Goenckar a voice that can be heard by fellow Goenkarsin his/her Mai Bhas, Konkani. Viva Goa. Miguel ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] MY MESSAGE FOR WORLD GOA DAY 2006
MY MESSAGE FOR WORLD GOA DAY 2006 The World Goa Day, a bold creation of Rene Barreto, to which I contributed my might by composing the words and music of the theme song Proud to be a Goan at his request, proudly celebrates its 7th anniversary. By now this annual event has been firmly planted in the socio-cultural agenda of every Goan institution, and I may say, the World Goa Day has come to stay in the hearts and minds of every Goan, just like the feast of St. Francis Xavier. It is quite an achievement for Rene, who slogged much at the computer and telephone to get his message to every Goan, successfully. It is very gratifying to see the spirit of collaboration shown by the leaders of Goan social institutions the world over, rallying to Rene's socio- patriotic call for Goan identity and unity, and taking pride in its annual celebration, that has been growing year by year in quantity of participants and quality in presentation. We are all in for Congratulations, particularly Rene and his collaborators - the Managing Committees of Goan Associations in their respected adopted country. The Movement has spread like wild fire, thanks to the collaboration of the internet-media like: Goanet, Goa-Goans, Gulf-Goans, CGN, etc. The theme-song also went round the world for downloading, thanks to goa-world website by Gaspar and Ulysses. Rene is also thankful to Goasudharop for sponsoring goaday website through its officebearer George Pinto, which serves to radiate all WGD activities. The song is also hosted, since last year, on website Goaday-Goamog.com in Portugal run by Leao Fernandes. It is very heartening to know that some Associations, not content just to celebrate the Day with Dinner and Dance (an easy way out), have gone all out to create a really cultural evening, with members preparing some skits, short plays, sing-song, etc. promoting thereby young and old talent in their community. An example of that I found in one of the printed WGD programme I received from Goinkars Own Academy in Karachi. Its president Deborah Santamaria is a composer in her own right and a singer too. She has composed all the songs, except two. Here's their programme: Introduction by Deborah Santamaria. Welcome speech by Valentine Gonsalves. Items: 1) Opening Dance, 2) Solo: Burgeank Xikoiat Konkani, 3) Duet: Oh Francis, 4) Solo: Golden Goa, 5) Trio: Goenkar's Own Academy, 6) Solo: My Name is Clifford Fernandes, INTERVAL. 7) Duet: Shinthu ani Vittu, 8) Solo: Amerikak Attak Zalo, 9) Trio: Vhoddlo Saib, 10) A Special Dance, 11) Duet: Jimmy, Jimmy, 12) Solo: Proud to be a Goan. 13) Distribution of gifts, 14) Dinner. World Goa Day must also serve to remind us that we have one native identity: the Konkani language. The Goa Day was kept on 20 August to commemorate the Anniversary of the inclusion of Konkani Language in the 8th Schedule of the Indian Constitution. The older generation like me surely must know to speak in the Mother-tongue. As pensioners, these elderly gentlemen, or ladies for that matter, could help to inculcate Konkani in the younger generation by offering them FREE Konkani classes. We hear so much of Giving back to Goa. This is one chance to Give back to Goa by sacrificing some time to teach Konkani to young Goans abroad, so that they could pride themselves in their Goanity. There is a very simplistic book to learn Konkani. It teaches Konkani in Roman script, Devnagari script, and Kanada script. Its name is: Sarki Amchi Bhas Sompi, and is available at Singbal's Book House, Church Square, Panjim, for the pittance of Rs.125/-. I wish you all a Very Happy World Goa Day 2006, and leave you with my Goan Credo: I'm first a Goan, And that I'll for ever be; And never forget that, My Mother-tongue is Konkani. or in Konkani: Konknni uloi, Konknni boroi, Khoro Goencho put mhunn dakoi. Basilio Magno (Spain) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Santoshbab's objections to Gilbert's benign neglect
wrt this from me (JC): [I see nothing wrong with the above quoted from Gilbert Lawrence. ...All he says (in effect) is that he (Gilbert Lawrence) would IGNORE an atheist, as also someone who smokes, divorced, lives a homosexual life style or cheats on his spouse.] Santoshbab wrote: I find Gilberts statement bigoted because of the following reasons: 1. Under all democratic constitutions an atheist is no different from a person of any other faith. He/She should not be treated differently from others because of his/her religious beliefs or lack thereof. 1a. Nobody would dare to announce in this forum that he/she reacts to a Catholic with benign neglect. 2. The lumping of a smoker, a divorcee, a homosexual and an atheist with someone who cheats on his/her spouse reveals how contemptuous and discriminatory Gilbert is towards the former four types of individuals. 2a. Nobody would dare to claim in this forum that his benign neglect towards a Catholic or a Goan is no different from that towards someone who cheats on his/her spouse. === jc's response = My dear Santoshbab, re 1: I submit to you that NO democratic Constitution anywhere in the world has ANY provision which prevents ANY one person from IGNORING another in his private 'air space'. In fact, there is unlikely to be ANY provision in ANY democratic Constitution which mandates that one CARES for the other. The 'duty of care' provision is strictly limited to family, those who have caused reliance, and those with employment or contractual obligations. The rest of us can very well go on IGNORING any person we wish to, as long as we do not violate that person's rights. From the little I know, NO individual has the right NOT to be IGNORED (except subject to the 'duty of care' limitations). Similarly, on a trip to the mall, you are quite within your rights to ignore anyone you believe you do not wish to deal with. I normally IGNORE desi politicians who turn up here for 'conferences' ON the beach. I believe that I am within my rights to lump them up with con artists. re 1a: May be not but How are we to be sure that there aren't those who in fact DO NOT practice what they are NOT preaching? re 2: It appears that you did not read the last para of my (;-) post too carefully. I am reposting it here for your perusal. re 2a: May be nobody will claim here... but I am not so sure that Nobody will behave in that fashion. Having lived in Poona, and having observed HOW many of our desi folks actually treat Goans, Goan Catholics, West Indian 'east indians' and desis from the south (i.e. How North Indians treat South Indians) or Afro descent men/women married to desis AND European women married to Indian men I am not so sure that I will be as sure as I believe you are. BTW: European Men ...are different. from what I have noticed. They do not appear to be offered the 'benign neglect' treatment by folks from the desh! good wishes as usual jc now ...the paragraph from my previous post: [I notice however that Gilbert (in his list above) has made no mention of Pedophiles, Rapists, Sexual Molesters, Child Abusers, Con Artists, Extortionists etc. I trust that they are omitted because the 'list of folks to be IGNORED' would be too long, and NOT because those folks are not part of Gilbert Lawrence's benign neglect, and definitely not because those things are better swept under the carpet?] please visit NEW on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net Recommended Goa related sites 1. http://www.goa-world.com 2. http://www.SuperGoa.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] South Goa journalists
The South Goa Journalists Association has organised a panel discussion on youth violence, mentality and cultural values at Press Chamber, Margao Municipal Building, at 11 pm. Participants: Dr Pubdalik Kakode (Psychiatrist), Dr Venketyesh Hegde (Lecturer- Sri Sri Ravishanker), Mr. Savio Faleiro (Vice principal, Rosary College, Navelim) and Mr. Shekhar Prabhudesai (S.P. South Goa). Raju Nayak will moderate the discussion. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Goa news for August 19, 2006
Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Ministry of Sound CD Player and Scratcher: Unleash Your Hidden DJ (Gizmodo) targetTerm195129 = 'MOSDJ135'; Popular with the glow stick crowd, Ministry of Sound just released their latest gadget for wannabes DJs from Goa to Ibiza, the CD... http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/ministry-of-sound-cd-player-and-scratcher-unleash-your-hidden-dj-195129.php *** Mahindra Intl launches new tech mini-bus in Goa (Business Standard India) Mahindra International, a joint venture between Mahindra and Mahindra and International Truck and Engines Corporation, has launched India's first mini-bus with common rail direct injection technology in Goa. http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage_c.php?leftnm=11bKeyFlag=INautono=4295 *** Biker club founder dispenses life advice to India travelers (AFP via Yahoo! News) From a tiny New Delhi storefront decorated with Tibetan prayer flags, blond-haired Balu rents and repairs bikes, and more importantly, advises Western biker tourists how not to lose it while traveling in India. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060818/lf_afp/indiatravelmotorcycle_060818194714 *** Body of missing swimmer recovered on Goa coast (The Hindu) PANAJI: The body of Amit Kumar Verma (24) of Varanasi, one of the six persons who drowned while swimming in the sea off the Calangute beach in north Goa on Sunday, was recovered on Tuesday. The Calangute Police said the body was handed over to ... http://www.thehindu.com/2006/08/16/stories/2006081616380900.htm *** Goa to pull down buildings violating coastal norms (The Economic Times) PANAJI: Purchasing a sea-side property in Goa could now well be at your own risk. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1899169.cms *** Goa for powers to proceed against FEMA violators (New Kerala) Panaji, Aug 17: With increasing number of foreigners buying properties in Goa in violation of Foreign Exchange Management Act, 1997 (FEMA), the state will ask Centre to confer powers to its officers to proceed against violators, a top official said today Under FEMA, the state government officers can be given powers to proceed against the violations by foreigners. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=8460 *** Goa tycoon's abducted son killed (The Times of India) Mandar Surlekar, was killed after his father Mahadev Surlekar refused to pay the ransom money demanded by the kidnappers. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1899163.cms *** Vasco SC beats Corps of Signals in Goa league (New Kerala) Margao, Aug 16: A second half brace by substitute Agnelo DSouza gave Vasco SC a 3-1 victory over 10-man Corps of Signals in their opening round tie of Hutch-sponsored Goa Football Association's Professional League, being played at Tilak stadium, Vasco, today. http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnewsid=7911 *** The unique #152;Bot Devi sculptures of Sattari (Navhind Times) GEOGRAPHICAL and historical factors have crafted a maritime identity for Goa that is visible from the coast to the sub-ghat region. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=081871 *** Middle East to benefit from new Srilankan Airlines flights to Goa (AME Info) Travellers in the Middle East are set to benefit from new flights to Goa, complete with bonus incentives. http://www.ameinfo.com/93942.html Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] (no subject)
Our heartfelt sympathies go to the family of the young youth who was kidnapped and killed by the ruthless coward who deserves a death sentence. THE ROZARIO'S CANADA __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] The politics of facial hair
The politics of facial hair What politicians' growths reveal, or conceal By Cecil Pinto In the course of my continuing research on facial hair, which is now reaching the proportions and complexity of a doctorate thesis, I came across Ganpat Haldonkar who is a practitioner of the ancient craft of 'follicacy du visage', which unlike the more popular pogonology (the study of beards), basically involves the divination of a person's future from an analysis of his or her facial hair. Some people can read the future from tarot cards (cartomancy), others examine the entrails of a freshly slain animal (extispicy) or by the shape of one's head (phrenology). In the UK there was this brilliant guy, Timothy Burr, who could tell women their future by examining their breasts. In a monumental display of selflessness he used to do this free of cost. His 1965 book 'Burr Identification System of Breast Analysis' has a complex and sophisticated system that categorized breasts by 'type', 'style', 'mode', 'fashion' and 'class' to arrive at a BISBA Rating. But let us leave Burrs' system, and similar exotic forms of soothsaying, for another day and concentrate on what Ganpat Haldonkar does - telling a person's future by studying his facial hair. Cecil: Is male balding a major problem in Goa? Ganpat: Please restrict your questions to facial hair only. Scalp hair, armpit hair, hair round nipples, chest hair, pubic hair, hair coming out of ears, etc is not my domain. But to give you some background regarding hairlessness in general, the technical term is glabrousness. Those who are glabrous have either performed depilation, or have medical conditions like alopecia universalis, which is a medical disorder where there is absolutely no hair on the entire body. A miniscule proportion of Goa's population has this auto-immune disorder that can strike at any age. Rural folk think that this affliction is caused by the mother having cut vegetables during a solar eclipse when she was pregnant. This is untrue. My research has shown that such culinary activities, by a pregnant woman during an eclipse, only cause the offspring to have sexual inadequacies in later adult life. Cecil: Is it true that almost every major politician and businessman in Goa consults you before taking any major decision? Ganpat: People often confuse alopecia universalis with trichotillomania which is an impulse control disorder characterised by the repeated urge to pull out all body hair. Onset generally occurs at puberty and 80% of those afflicted are female. Cecil: Coming back specifically to facial hair, which is your field of expertise, how many Goan politicians have you studied? Ganpat: Whereas in the case of acomoclitics there is a specific preference for facials and depilation of all down... Cecil: I thought you were going to educate us on the facial hair of Goan politicians and how it affects their fate? Ganpat: Do you know only five United States presidents have sported full beards, and another four had moustaches of varying degrees of glory? In fact a recent survey in the image-conscious US suggests that bearded politicians polled 5% fewer votes than clean-shaven opponents. Consider this, people we hold in high esteem like Jesus, The Christian God, Santa Claus, Mohammed, Shivaji, Leonardo da Vinci, Sigmund Freud, Akbar, Vasco da Gama, Rasputin, Che Guevara, Karl Marx, Steven Speilberg, Abraham Lincoln, Rabindranath Tagore were all bearded. Let's look closer home at our Prime Ministers -Nehru, Shastri, Indira Gandhi, Moraji Desai, Rajiv Gandhi, Narashima Rao, Vajpayee, Sonia Gandhi... anyone remarkable was also clean shaven. Whereas PMs like Gujral, Chandrashekar, Vishwanath Pratap Singh, Gulzarilal Nanda, in fact anyone who sported considerable facial hair, are all abundantly forgettable. Of course there is that eminently mediocre, through clean shaven, Deve Gowda, but then every rule has an exception. Cecil: I think you made a mistake in your list. Sonia Gandhi is not the Prime Minister, Manmohan Singh is. Ganpat: You're not listening properly. Mark my words, a hirsute person cannot lead this country anywhere! Cecil: So now at least can we focus on our local politicians and leaders in Goa? Ganpat: Let's start off sequentially with Chief Ministers - Bandodkar, Shashikala Kakodkar, Rane - all without facial hair, not much anyway. Then came the attack of the hairy South Goans, Churchill and Luis Proto Barbosa, both short-lived and disastrous terms. The relatively facially hairless Ravi Naik, Willy and Rane then juggled the chair between them for a few years before another furry South Goan, Luizinho Faleiro, occupied the chair only to be dethroned by a clean shaven Francisco Sardinha. Soon enough, for the first time, a moustache from North Goa was in the chair, Manohar Parrikar, only to be replaced by the clean shaven Rane. A pattern seems to be setting in. Beards are out totally but clean
[Goanet] AICHEA DISAK CHINTOP - Agostachi 19vi, 2006!
Zorui tum khoddi sudravnk sodtai zalear arxean pollovnk tozvit kor. (If you are looking for faults to correct, try looking in a mirror.) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] 2 interesting links my full name
--- Aristo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why doesn't America believe in evolution? http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg19125653.700 Mario observes: The article above is a total misrepresentation. Other than a miniscule segment of vociferous Christian fundamentalists, America as a whole believes in evolution as much as anyone else, and is THE leading nation in researching the origins of the universe through it's space programs. One can find almost any article to use in promoting an agenda since Americans write and publish more articles and books than any other country. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Nachne
Hello Vivian Yes, the bakri made of Nachne is very healthy and they use the banana plant leaves, kembeanche kholle, to fry. So it also gets the aroma of the leaf. Its nice to know that a querry of Nachne brought so many interesting discussions. I thank each and every one of you. Cheers Jerry Fernandes From: Vivian D'Souza Nachne,(also known as Ragi) the small red grain which almost looks like mustard seeds, is ground and made into Tizan as well as bakri or chapati. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] Message from Goenkar Changemakers
Exhibition of Comic Posters at Kala Academy, Art Gallery --- A Group of college students who call themselves Goenkar Changemakers are putting up an exhibition of comic posters that are a result of a training programme conducted by Metamophosis and World Comics on Social Communication in the month of July this year. The exhibition is at Kala Academy, Art Gallery on the 19th and 20th of August from 10 am to 6pm. Please do come to see the exhibition that has 150 posters on issues ranging from child rights to gender issues and migration. Your comments will encourage the students to carry forward the initiative. Looking forward to your presence... Goenkar Changemakers -- Question everything -- Karl Marx ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] OCI details
I remember giving this details over a year ago, here it is once again.. any further info, please do not hesitate to ask. == I am expert and a proud OCI holder Remember ? I was an offcial OCI form filler at London High Commission India = Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) 1. Who is eligible to apply? A foreign national, who was eligible to become a citizen of India on 26.01.1950 or was a citizen of India on or at anytime after 26.01.1950 or belonged to a territory that became part of India after 15.08.1947 and his/her children and grand children, provided his/her country of citizenship allows dual citizenship in some form or other under the local laws, is eligible for registration as an Overseas Citizen of India (OCI). Minor children of such person are also eligible for OCI. However, if the applicant had ever been a citizen of Pakistan or Bangladesh, he/she will not be eligible for OCI. 2. Who was eligible to become Citizen of India on 26.01.1950? Any person who, or whose parents or grand-parents were born in India as defined in the Government of India Act, 1935 (as originally enacted), and who was ordinarily residing in any country outside India was eligible to become citizen of India on 26.01.1950. 3. Which territories became part of India after 15.08.1947 and from what date? The territories which became part of India after 15.08.1947 are: (i) Sikkim 26.04.1975 (ii) Pondicherry 16.08.1962 (iii) Dadra Nagar Haveli 11.08.1961 (iv) Goa, Daman and Diu 20.12.1961 4. Can the spouse of the eligible person apply for OCI? Yes, if he/she is eligible in his/her own capacity. 5. Can children of parents, wherein one of the parents is eligible for OCI, apply for OCI? Yes. 6. In what form should a person apply for an OCI and where are the forms available? A family consisting of spouses and upto two minor children can apply in the same form i.e. Form XIX, which can be filed online or downloaded from our website www.mha.nic.in. 7. Can application form be filled and submitted on line? Yes. Part A of the application form can be filed online. Part B can be downloaded and printed on computer or by hand in Block letters. Printed Part A and Part B of the application form has to be submitted to the Indian Mission/Post/Office. 8. What documents have to be submitted with the application? The following documents shall be enclosed for each applicant: 1.Proof of present citizenship 2.Evidence of self or parents or grand parents, (a) being eligible to become a citizen of India at the time of commencement of the Constitution; or (b) belonging to a territory that became a part of India after 15th August, 1947; or (c) being a citizen of India on or after 26th January, 1950 These could be: (i) Copy of the passport :or (ii) Copy of the domicile certificate issued by the Competent authority ;or (iii) Any other proof. 3. Evidence of relationship as parent/grand parent, if their Indian origin is claimed as basis for grant of OCI. 4. Application fee by way of Demand Draft (US $ 275 for each applicant or equivalent in local currency; US $ 25 or equivalent in local currency for each PIO card holder) 5. PIO card holders should submit a copy of his/her PIO card. 9. What documents would qualify for Any other proof for evidence of self or parents or grand parents being eligible for grant of an OCI? Any documentary evidence like a school certificate, land ownership certificate, birth certificate etc. by which eligibility may be reasonably ascertained. 10. How many copies of application have to be submitted? Application has to be submitted in duplicate for each applicant. 11. Whether applicant(s) have to go in person to submit the application (s)? No. Application(s) can be sent by post. 12. Whether the applicant (s) have to take oath before the Counsel of the Indian Mission/Post? No. Earlier provision in this regard has been done away with. 13. Where to submit the application? To the Indian Mission/ Post of the country of citizenship of the applicant. If the applicant is not in the country of citizenship, to the Indian Mission/Post of the country where he is ordinarily residing. If the applicant is in India, to the FRRO Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkota or Amritsar or to CHIO, Chennai or to the Under Secretary, OCI Cell, Citizenship section, Foreigners Division, Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA), Jaisalmer House, 26, Mansingh Road, New Delhi-110011. 14. Can a person apply in the country where he is ordinarily residing? Yes. 15. What are the consequences of furnishing wrong information or suppressing material information? All the applications will be subject to pre or post enquiry depending on whether any adverse information is voluntarily reported in the application or not. If the Government comes to the know that any false information was furnished or material information was suppressed,
Re: [Goanet] The rule about names
On 18/08/06, Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in favor of suspension or even expulsion of such a character if he does not stop the serial abuse Do you guys remember the time when Herman suspended a member, sometimes in 1996 or so? I recall though most of us were angry with that person who got suspended (I don't recall who it was). But after the suspension, there was a whole lot of sympathy for him. In those days, the Net was a far less cynical place. Virii weren't as common (though I was still using Windows then). And spam was virtually unheard of. So, we felt that a terrible thing had happened. We all appealed to Herman (there was no Admin Team yet then). And, Herman, all of 19 or so, after some silence from his part, lifted the suspension. We had a lot more women members on Goanet then. And we were all much younger (obviously). Sometimes I think of James Almeida and Sharon, the two Goanetters known to have actually got married. (Others may have met on Goanet, or via the Cybermatrimonials, but never publicly acknowledged it. Even a promised invite for a wedding -- it's quite safe to send these to me, as I usually play truant -- didn't turn up. Even though I was then maintaining the Cybermatrimonials.) We should have a token $1 prize for the best memories on Goanet's 12th birthday! -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The Goan child and childhood
Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We get one person who will check up on your child post-natal and the pediatrician is a stone's throw away. My complaint is, that too much parenting is abdicated to the pediatrician in the West. Selma, According to my wife, our child has not yet seen a pediatrician. Maybe were are just lucky. However, my wife also says that the norm here in Canada is to see a family doctor first. Lastly, I do not see you nor any other independant mother abdicating her duties to a pediatrican (regardless of where the mom is residing.) Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Shut-up, men!
Paulo, Kujin, kuzner, patrao, sossegad (like zonel, mez, igroz, kazar) are etymologically Portuguese words which are used also by Hindus while speaking Konkani. Add to it falsidad, kuriosidad, maldisanv, konfusanv and even hybrid Konkani-Portuguese words like kerkerasanv and sogleament! Some of these words are niched in respectable Konkani lexicons written by Hindu Konkanists. Joaquim. -Original Message- From: Paulo Colaco Dias Richard, before the English words, lots and lots of Portuguese words were introduced into catholic Konkani such as vestido, cozinha, juramento, cozinheiro, patrao, sossegado, (!), (a)cabar, etc. etc. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Tragic drownings in Goa
Dear Frederick: I'm utterly dismayed about the tragic spate of recent drownings in Goa reported in the Goanet news yesterday. Drownings during the monsoon on the Konkan coast are not a frequent occurrence resulting from Mother Nature's natural turbulence in the Indian Ocean. Those who venture forth into the sea for recreational purposes are generally not familiar with local conditions. The visiting public should be warned of the potential hazards lurking in the waters especially during the rainy season. I'm surprised there's no mention of life guards and life boats for rescue missions at popular beaches. Are there any warning signs posted on the beaches used by tourists?. The local inhabitants are normally aware of the prevailing dangers and go out generally for commercial purposes only, weather conditions reasonably permitting. Living in Mahim, Mumbai near the beach as a young boy, I did go swimming with my friends once in a while when the sea was relatively calm i.e. the waves were not huge and violent during the monsoons. And despite our cautious attitudes, I did get towed away sometimes but managed to get back to land safely. We were lucky we escaped mishaps. Of course, my parents were absolutely not aware of our juvenile follies or we would have not been allowed to expose ourselves to such dangers. There are several other cases of swimmers who fell fatal victims to the cruelty of the sea. I strongly recommend that Goanet, as an influential news service and powerful opinion disseminator, should launch a serious and consistent safety campaign to prevent further loss of lives through drownings. Keep up the good work. Regards to your family Sincerely Arnold Noronha ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] The rule about names
--- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But to ease the burden, I think each of us ought to help in the proper enforcement of the rules. We ought to point out instances of rule violation whenever we spot them, without being concerned about further abuse in retaliation. I think Gabe, Bosco and you have done this in the past. I have tried to do this as well. Mario observes: In high school we had a name for such people who apparently never look in a mirror to see what they are quick to see in others. Are the four Goanet moderators suddenly incapable of policing the Goanet Rules dictate from posts written in either plain English or Konkani? ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
