[Goanet-News] NEWS: Parrikar in pickle over LK quip (Times of India, The Telegraph, Herald)
Parrikar in pickle over LK quip TNN 23 September 2009, 07:26am IST PANAJI/NEW DELHI: Manohar Parrikar, whose name has been mentioned as a possible successor to BJP president Rajnath Singh, got himself in a pickle after he used the word in reference to L K Advani’s age in an interview with a TV channel on Tuesday. Areport by a news agency claimed that Parrikar had compared Advani to an aging pickle and said his political innings was “more or less over’’. “Pickle tastes good when it’s left to mature for a year. But when you keep it for more than two years, it turns rancid. Advaniji’s period is more or less over. Another couple of years, maybe. But he should be around as a guide or a mentor for party members,’’ the agency quoted Parrikar as saying. Parrikar termed the report a piece of “yellow journalism’’. “I have not said this. Parts of my interview were selectively chosen and shown as if I made it in the same context,’’ he said. ` “I spoke about how L K Advani was my favourite leader and how his period was more or less over. I referred to Sachin Tendulkar, who matured as a player like a pickle. But there will come a time when he will have to stop. Then, I referred to pickle. Like a pickle tastes good after a year, but is bad after a couple of years,’’ Parrikar said. Parikkar’s statement is being seen as a blatant attack on Advani, who been assigned has the task of ensuring a smooth transition in BJP by the RSS. With this, the focus in BJP seems to be back on the question of whether Advani should continue as the Leader of Opposition. Also, interestingly, when Arun Shourie had attacked the party leadership saying “bomb the headquarters’’, one of the leaders he had praised was Parrikar. “Advaniji is my icon. The media is distorting my comments. I only asked for a young person—between 40 and 55 years of age—to be party president. I stand by my comments,’’ said Parrikar. Asked about his name doing the rounds for party presidentship, Parrikar said he was not in the race. “There’s lot of wrong projection of BJP which can be cleared with a fresh face,’’ he said on BJP’s future. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/city/goa/Parrikar-in-pickle-over-LK-quip/articleshow/5045165.cms * * * Sachin-coated pill, er, pickle... RADHIKA RAMASESHAN New Delhi, Sept. 22: Even being compared to Sachin Tendulkar can leave you feeling in a bit of a pickle, L.K. Advani has found out. Manohar Parrikar, one of the BJP’s rising stars, yesterday drew parallels between the “innings” of Advani and India’s best batsman. That was no doubt a great advance on a comparison to Humpty Dumpty — as rebel MP Arun Shourie had recently dubbed the party brass — but Parrikar’s next comment would have left Advani with a sour taste in the mouth. A failure to retire in time may turn even a great career into spoilt pickle, the former Goa chief minister told a Konkani channel last night. The BJP, now used to its leaders brawling in public, put up a stoical face but off the cameras, officials admitted themselves flummoxed. Parrikar, a possible candidate for BJP president in RSS eyes, today translated the interview for The Telegraph. It all apparently began when he named Advani as his “favourite” leader in an answer to a question. “I praised Advani for his integrity and character and said he is currently playing an excellent innings. I spoke of my second love after politics, which is cricket, and named Tendulkar as my favourite player,” he said over the phone. “Tendulkar is maturing day by day but even the best player has his limitation and has to stop playing some day. It’s like pickle. It tastes best for a year after maturing but spoils after two years.” Parrikar stressed that the reference to spoilt pickle came in relation to his comments on Tendulkar and not Advani. There were enough hints in the interview, however, that party elders should now fade away. “I was asked if a young person is suited to take over as (party) president. I replied, ‘Yes, ideally between 45 and 55’,” the 53-year-old said. He added that Advani should think of “mentoring” the BJP. Parrikar is the first BJP leader to publicly echo RSS chief Mohanrao Bhagwat’s suggestion for a “generation change” at the top in the BJP. Sources denied that Parrikar was positioning himself in the race, arguing the reference to youth was “just a way” of nudging Advani to consider Bhagwat’s proposal “seriously”. “The RSS has said what it had to, and it is for Advani to take it from there. If he’s not prepared to do it, the Sangh will start pressure him through more such interviews,” a source said. Advani himself had virtually compared himself to Tendulkar last August, saying: “When we lost (the polls), people were disappointed the way they get disappointed whenever Tendulkar gets out in the 90s.” It prompted a critic to say that unlike Tendulkar, who withdrew when he realised he was a better batsman than captain, Advani was “unwilling to… let the party move on under a new
[Goanet-News] Christians, Hindu names ... and controversy (Selma Carvalho's Goanet highlights)
Goanet highlights by Selma Carvalho In recent weeks there has been a backlash against activists in Goa. Here Venita Coelho espouses their cause. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183550.html Are Christians with Hindu-names cowards? Jorge Dias, came in for strident opposition when he aired his views that those who hold onto their Hindu names are afraid to live up to the sacrifices called upon by Christianity. Much as I disagree with Jorge, there is something to be said about Goans who retained their Hindu names and took on Portuguese surnames. While the working class happily took on names of Portuguese trees, foxes, flowers and whatever else the Portuguese were throwing at us, it was the Brahmins who retained their duality thereby holding onto their caste links. Relinquishing their religion was one thing, relinquishing their caste was quite another. It meant relinquishing their power-hold and that proved more difficult to do than to renounce God. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183512.html A response to this assertion from Naguesh Bhatcar. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183540.html Tony D'Sa wonders about the future of Goanet itself as a tool for creating social capital. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183530.html Did former CM of Goa and now slated to lead the BJP at the national level really call the Prime-Minister-in-awaiting, L K Advani a rancid, ageing pickle? Vinay Natekar tells us why Parrikar may be right. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183527.html The tourist-state of Goa has longed been plagued by garbage problems. One young environmentalist who has long taken up this cause is Clinton Vaz. He was collecting samples from the River Sal, when men his age only dream of getting a Honda motorbike. Here he talks about his dreams of a 'zero-waste' Goa. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183522.html Was being a tiatrist a Catholic Goan artistic profession? JoeGoaUK busts this myth by presenting us with a non-Catholic tiartrist. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183509.html JoeGoaUK brings us a touch of Goan nostalgia with this classic Konkani black and white movie song, Svettor kor. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183459.html Selma Carvalho looks at Goan traditions being preserved in cyberspace, this time that of the good old balcão fight. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183451.html Dominic Fernandes continues to fascinate us with the minutia of Goa life in a bygone era, here with Part 4 of the Forgotten Tribe, Mhar. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183422.html Turning his attention away from out-migration, Valmiki Faleiro now gives us a historical preview of in-migration in his series, G'bye Goa. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183414.html Pandu Lampiao tells us why behind those benign smiles, Goans may actually be quite racist. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183389.html Goa, FA Secretary, Savio Messias pays a touching tribute to his close friend Noel da Mima Leitao, in 'Noel we will miss you.' http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183312.html GaspersWorld brings us an interview with a rising Goan star, Katty de Navelin. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183269.html An in-depth analysis of the Denationalization of Goans, a phrase first made popular by T.B Cunha by Nishtha Desai. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183245.html And finally JoeGoaUK continues his photo-documentary of Goa by bringing us breathtaking pictures of its rich Baroque architecture. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183270.html SEND IN your comments on these and any other issues to goa...@goanet.org Visit the Goanet website at http://www.goanet.org Tonnes of Goanet archives at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/
[Goanet-News] Photos from Sunaparanta this evening: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157622440759570/
Some photos from Sunaparanta - Goa Centre for the Arts i...@sgcfa.org from their event of September 23, 2009: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157622440759570/ There's an event at Sunaparanta every Wednesday 5:30 pm to 7:30 pm at 63/C-8, Near Lar de Estudantes, Altinho, Panaji Ph:2421311 i...@sgcfa.org This week's Art Lounge saw a discussion panel on artistic freedom which includes Venita Coelho, Subodh Kerkar, Geoffrey Witte, Vidyadhar Gadgil and Margaret Mascarenhas. E-meet with some names you've read on Goanet. --FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
[Goanet] The Accidental Activist - The Other Accidental Activists
The Accidental Activist - The Other Accidental Activists By Venita Coelho The editor of a reputed paper wrote a column the other day disparaging the 'protest industry' and claiming that activists earned money off it and simply protested for the sake of protesting. I'd like to introduce you to some of the other accidental activists that I have got to know and respect. And I'd like you to judge if they are honourable citizens with Goa's interests at heart or canny mercenaries as the attempt to label them claims. When I wandered into the GBA offices indignant over the Regional Plan 2012 and offering my help to fight it, the first person I bumped into was Dean D'Cruz. Dean is a well known architect. He was well aware that opposing the regional plan would bring him up against the builders lobby - from who he earned his living. In the months after GBA was launched, Dean lost client after client. He chose to smile and make awful puns about the situation. For a year we camped at Deans office, drank his tea, used his computers and printers, and made his staff run around on activist work. We're still there. Dean himself put in endless time, turning down work, bringing his profession to a virtual standstill while he helped us understand the maps and the issues at stake. Ritu Prasad is a colleague of Dean's and an architect. She is one of the most passionate activists that I know. She put all her work on hold for more than a year, managing god knows how, while she hit the streets to explain the RP2012. Her daughter has grown up on the fight, Ritu explaining things at child's eye view to her. When it was finally revoked, she asked 'Mama have we won against the bad guys?' Unfortunately all we naive idiots were to learn that the fight is never over. It goes on and on and on. You end up putting your time, your money and your life into it. Reboni Saha is an industrial designer. To her we owe the booklet that explained the RP2021 to villages and showed them how to respond. As secretary to the GBA Reboni struggled with varied viewpoints, and tried her best to manage assorted egos. A completely thankless task. There was no way that you could keep everyone happy. And yet she kept going even when she was made the target of a vicious personal attck in the papers. I have seen her stay at her desk working till ten and eleven every night endlessly. Sabina Martins is a teacher. She runs harassed between teaching, Bailancho Saad and the GBA. When each of us burnt out in turn and quit for a bit, it was Sabina who just kept going on. She single handedly got down a team of experts from Kerala to teach us socio economic planning. She herself headed down to Kerala to learn more. An average week for her includes burning effigies outside the Casinos, attending GBA meetings, organizing workshops and correcting exam papers. Patricia Pinto is soft spoken and gentle. And yet when she stood in front of a rain tree to protect it, she sparked the movement that was to end in the formation of the GBA. She and Ritu sat in the library going through all the Gazettes, painstakingly tracing land conversions and pinning down questionable ones. I mean ALL. They covered every single government gazette since the time Goa was declared a state. A Herculean task that went unacknowledged like most activist work does. Closer home in Moira, Vizilia D'Sa is another single mother with two sons. I have seen her write reams of applications to the BDO and the Mamlatdar, while juggling tutoring children, and managing her house. And yet she finds time to help any villager who goes to her for advice. These are just a very few of the many many colleagues on whose effort the activist movement in Goa has kept going. Miguel is a horticulturist. Annand is a businessman. Aaron is a college student. Oscar is a doctor. Just ordinary people driven to protest the destruction of what they hold dear. We would all of us love to know exactly where the money that runs this so called 'protest industry' lies. We could all do with reimbursement for all that we have paid out of pocket. Not least for the time that everyone has put in unstintingly. As for protesting just for the sake of protesting - next no doubt we can expect a column praising the wonderful things mining is doing for Goa. Or will it be a PR piece for the building lobby extolling the wonderful job they are doing converting the countryside to concrete? Hmm - one suspects that there is indeed money in the protest industry, but not on the activist side of it. (ENDS) === The above article appeared in the September 8, 2009 edition of the Herald, Goa
[Goanet] Goodbye Goa ahoy ghantis
Prof. Val, I think you may have mistaken Portugal in- migration to say that of the UK. Please follow the link below for more info. Clearly there are illegals in Portugal. In Goa the migrants are all illegal since under the UN charter the action of Bharat was an invasion. Goa was sovereign under Portuguese rule. Your Kadamba story does not work in modern times. BC Lisboa – Segundo o relatório o divulgado esta terça-feira pelo Serviço de Estrangeiros e Fronteiras (SEF), verifica-se que os brasileiros permanecem no topo da lista de população estrangeira a viver em Portugal, seguidos pelos ucranianos e cabo-verdianos. A plena aplicação da nova lei de estrangeiros está a permitir perceber o verdadeiro peso das várias nacionalidades na população imigrante em Portugal. Segundo o relatório divulgado hoje pelo SEF registou-se um aumento de 1 por cento do número de imigrantes em 2008 (440 277) em relação a 2007 (435 736), dos quais os brasileiros com permanência regular passaram de 66.354 em 2007 para 106.961 em 2008. http://jornaldigital.com/noticias.php?noticia=18907 BC Since the late 1990s, in-migrant flows from ex-African colonies (Cabo Verde and Angola), Brazil -- and more recently Ukraine, Moldova and other ex-Soviet nations, have descended on Portugal. The actual figure of these alone is placed at 6,00,000 (there are 2,00,000 illegal migrants.) And what figures are you talking about, sitting in Macao?
[Goanet] Daily Grook #522
DAILY GROOK #522 = DRUM TANTRUM = by Francis Rodrigues the beatles went far, performing to annoy, thus did ringo starr as their drama-boy! http://www.KonkaniSongBook.com Going to GOA? GREATEST KONKANI SONGBOOKsheet-music,tab, lyrics, chords, of great Konkani film pop hits, mandos. PEDRO FERNANDES: Panjim GPO; Margao Stn. Rd. Tel.2226642 FURTADOS: Panjim opp-Monginis;Margao Grace C.Tel.2223278 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=119017685910 _ Click less, chat more: Messenger on MSN.ca http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677404
[Goanet] Avram's God, by Any Name !
Eric, by Avram and Jove you rock. Rock on Arrik. venantius Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:59:48 -0700 (PDT) From: eric pinto ericpin...@yahoo.com To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Avram's God, by Any Name ! My God is the 'God of Jesus,' and?this God is also?known as the 'God of Avram' - ok, Abraham, if you insist on the Anglo corruption of the Uri - Galliliya Rift name.
[Goanet] Re. Svettor Kori
FN, Eddie's encapsulated it well. But you have a valid point. We're doing our bit to index and tabulate title by title. I'm sure you got the joke re. the mailing-list exchange! Apparently someone else didn't - despite George Smiley!:-) FR . On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 Eddie Verdes eddiever...@hotmail.com wrote: FN/Francis, .This is time consuming, you have to have the song titles, album titles and the singers names too..sometimes the singers names n titles are not available then u have title it yrself after listening to the song...like I did for the Alfred Rose 300 plus songs. It took me 3 years to compile and list the songs. Here I am struggling to form a list of 4000 songs and you are asking 25,000 songs? which is highly impossible...I think the newly formed Tiatr Academy, with tiatrist as members can take this project of compiling all the konkani songs, that are with the tiatrist and AIR. Dev borem korum Eddie _ New: Messenger sign-in on the MSN homepage http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9677403
[Goanet] Good bye Goa ahoy Ghantis ( a question of antecedence )
Francis Ribeiro (Sept.22,09) writes: Can anybody tell me who is really a Goan ? I know my ancestors were Hindu Saraswat Brahmins, migrated from the banks of the Saraswati River (i.e. in modern Haryana / Rajasthan ) that does not exist any more.''' Well, Francis Ribeiro , I think your question 'who is really a Goan ?' could never be answered to the satisfaction of all Goans(Catholics) for the simple reason that more than 90% of them had ancestors who were illiterate. Literacy could have been brought to their doorstep by the bamon churchmen but for reasons best known to themselves , Goans remained illiterates for about four centuries. Notwithstanding that Church had vast properties all these centuries and a small part of it could have been utilized for the educational benefit of their parishioners . But the church did nothing of the sort. But since you proudly state that your ancestors were Hindu Saraswat Brahmins there is a question that has been nagging me for the last 50 years of my life. I shall come to the question later. But let me state that I have been touch with some Hindu Brahmins of Goa whom I have been pestering to inform me whether any of their ancestors had converted to Christianity in Goa only to be met with deafening silence. Now Catholic brahmins were always a literate lot even during the colonial regime that lasted for four centuries.. Catholic brahmins cannot feign ignorance of their ancestors. So will it be possible for you or for any other person who has similar perceptions to state which Hindu Brahmin family you are descended from , which have relatives still living today ?
[Goanet] GOA’S POLITICALLY CONTROLLED POLICE F ORCE
Home Minister Mr. P. Chidambaram was very right in condemning the way police officers were being shunted and tossed around like a football by those in power. Even the Goa police force lacks any independence. It is most unprofessional and unbecoming of the politicians in power who have done all they can to over the years systematically erode the authority of Goa's Director General of Police (DGP) and Inspector General of Police (IGP) in the matter of posting of police personnel. Ministers have gone to the extent of appropriating the power to assign postings of constables to Police Inspectors and even Dy SPs to SP’s. The intent and manner behind depriving the DGP and IGP of their authority in such routine administrative matters is deplorable. The damage done to the status of the DGP and IGP is incalculable and unacceptable. Today the DGP and IGP cannot even transfer or discipline a constable. It was on the directions of the Supreme Court that State Governments were directed to create a State Security Commission to improve and monitor the functioning of the Police system. The Supreme Court was very candid that a new Police Act should wholly insulate the Police force from any political pressure, whatsoever, so as to be able to secure the citizen's rights under the Constitution. Police should be allowed to discharge their fundamental duties of ensuring good law and order. For good public policing the politicians should never use the police to target their political opponents and to silence voices of dissent. The sudden and abrupt transfer of Panaji Sub –Divisional police officer (SDPO) Mr. Sammy Tavares early this year sent a very wrong message to the already sagging morale of the police force. The High Court will now decide whether Sammy Tavares’s politically motivated transfer was in violation of the directives issued by the Supreme Court by which an officer could not be transferred unless he completes two years in his posting. Mr. Mohan Naik who was posted as SDPO Panaji on 11th December 2007 in just over two months on 26th Feb 2008 was telephonically informed by SP Headquarters that he stood transferred to the Goa Reserve Police as desired by Chief Minister Digambar Kamat. It’s over 18 months and Mr. Mohan Naik has still not received an official transfer order. As the Supreme Court directives do not permit police officers to be transferred before the completion of two years in their posting, the Goa Government seems to have opted for a modus operandi by which officers themselves are being asked to apply for transfer. Recently four Police Inspectors sought transfers citing personal reasons. And the reasons are very strange. Police Inspector Dharmesh Angle sought transfer to Vasco stating that he being from Margao it causes a lot of problems working where people are known to you. Police Inspector Santosh Desai seeking transfer from Quepem stated that as Quepem is close to his native village Cuncolim it is difficult for him to function at that Police Station. Calangute Police Inspector Tushar Vernekar who resides at Verem sought transfer to Airport Immigration in Vasco on the grounds that he is unable to look after his 65 year old mother properly. Police Inspector Rajendra Prabhudesai seeking transfer from Margao Police station stated that Margao being a busy police station he is not able to look after his wife and only child and so wants to work at a less burdened police station. Politicians speak about the independence of the police and of law taking its own course. The ground reality is very different as they interfere and unduly intervene in the day to day working of the police. We have a lot of good and smart policemen. But unfortunately their brains and investigative skills are in the custody of the politicians whose line they have to tow. A college degree is no longer a novelty, and there are now police constables with graduate degrees as well. Some with academic education way beyond that of some of our Ministers. This is an encouraging trend. It is time to make the Police force function as a professionally-competent body and not as a mere agents of the political party in power. Law and order is a key to the prosperity and well being of any society. A small state like Goa can maintain its peace and tranquility but the ground realities are a matter of great concern. If no immediate corrective steps are taken we may reach a point of no return. Today murders and rapes are on the increase. At times the Police lack the will to investigate because of political pulls and pressures. The Government should ponder and investigate the causes of crime. Unless we have the vision and spine to get to the root of the problem, any superficial steps would be merely cosmetic and would not provide long-term benefits. There has to be a consensus to ensure that the police get their independence and identity. It is a shame that officers over the years have been manipulated and tamed by the powers to be and that
Re: [Goanet] CHRISTIANs WITH HINDU NAMES ARE COWARDS
I don't think thatb the Christians in India with Hindu names our cowards.They are just trying to get the best of two cultures.With Christian names admission to premier Christian institutes and with Hindu names better job opportunities,Nothing wrong as long as they remain faithful to their premier beliefs. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:21 AM, Cajetan Alvares cajul...@googlemail.comwrote: On Tue, 9/22/09, Jorge Dias jorgesr91 at gmail.comhttp://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org wrote: * Those Christians in India who are operating with Hindu names are doing * * this to protect their skin from Hindu facist forces. May God give these* * christians the courage that they do not hide their christian faith.* My friends Anil Pinto, Reena D'Souza, Sam Naik, Sheila Desai think Jorge is confused and is being discriminatory. George --- Has any one heard of St Jorge, and what day of the month is his or her feast day please let me know. Is Jorge a Bosnian/Kosovan/croatian or Polish saint? Caj.
[Goanet] 35th TC 2009 - Jivitan Kallok
JIVITAN KALLOK In the audience, bringing tears in one’s eyes usually takes place in the end or sometimes somewhere in the middle of the Bollywood films, tiatr etc But this one was different. It made people cry in the beginning too. I being a man (not woman), I could not control myself. Quietly l looked around.. Thank God! I was not the only one, I mean I was not the only man. Ok, What happens when at the time of giving birth, the mother dies and the baby survives? Well, the baby is evil isn’t it? The baby will continue bringing in all the ill-luck to the family. And if the baby is a girl child. Oh, do I have to tell you more about it? Why blame the innocent child? What is his or her fault? When will we grow up? Well, a clear message like this is given to us by Mr. John Aleixinho Fernandes (Morjum) in his well set Tiatr ‘JIVITAN KALLOK’ held at Kala Academy on 22nd Sept, 2009 as a part of 35th Tiatr Competition 2009 (35th TC 2009) The innocent victim in this case was not a girl child but a second son of a father (Cyril Fernandes). He blames the son Ronaldo (Ronaldo d’souza) for taking away his beloved wife. This innocent child is subject to all sorts of ill-treatment, tortures etc. by his own father. After coming to a conclusion that his father will never change and also unable to bear any more beatings etc, one day this 8 years old child ask his father.. What’s my fault? Why you didn’t get rid of me then? OK, to make you happy, I have now decided to go away from you never to come back again. Just one last wish - Give me your blessing and allow me to hug you for the last time. Hard hearted father although very happy to know his son finally leaving, was not even willing to fulfill his last wishes until one Mr. Gangaram (Aleixinho) advised him to do so. When elder brother Frazer (Frazer Fernandes) returns from school finds out about his loved brother, he has almost taken it to heart and since then he is never the same Frazer who used to be. Daddy’s boy Frazer becomes alcoholic, goonda giving all sort of ill-treatment to his father. Father somehow managed to get Frazer to marry to Fiona (Anita Fernandes) hoping his son will change but all in vein. On top, his daughter-in-law seen having an affair with her old time classmate Cedric (Roland). In the end, a couple – a lady social worker (Gema) a doctor (Aires) helps Frazer to come out of his drinking habits and to lead a happy family life then after. Who are this couple? Fraizer’s lost brother Ronaldo and his wife. Tiatr was well set up with lively scenes, music, directions etc Band by Vitorin Araujo Well done! Congratulations to all. Professional like Anil-Olga (2 songs) and Anita Fernandes of Prince Jacob and film Futt fame The tiatr, so far so good and there are at least 8 more to go. JoeGoaUk’s best actor prize jointly goes to Master Frazer and Ronaldo. Now, let’s the pics do the talking.. The two young brothers, father and Gamgaram http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk-tiatr2/3945450916/sizes/l/ To know who is who, pl clik on ‘go to flickr photo page’ top left Father and the innocent victim http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk-tiatr2/3945451800/ A duo http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk-tiatr2/3944669785/ Some more beautiful village life scenes Man sitting on ‘Umreacher’ door steps http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk-tiatr2/3945454012/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk-tiatr2/3945453518/sizes/l/ with two re-united brothers etc http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk-tiatr2/3945454862/sizes/l/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc Now, send attachments up to 25MB with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn how. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/photos
[Goanet] Tourism Minister is Touring in Court
A few days ago, an offence against Mickky Pacheco for extortion was registered by Crime Branch. Thereafter he applied for an anticipatory bail. So the police cannot arrest him for the moment. The additional district and session judge Mr. Justice Desmond D'Costa will hear his arguments today (Wednesday) on his bail application. I wonder how he is continuing in the cabinet, more particularly since he has also claimed that the Chief Minister has a vendetta against him! Or should we say that until proved guilty he is not involved in extortion!! Best regards Dr. U. G. Barad
Re: [Goanet] Fw: Goodbye Goans ahoy ghantis
Response to Francis Ribeiro: And you, no doubt felt compelled to interject an element of caste in your good advice. I. Nunes --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Francis Ribeiro ja...@rediffmail.com wrote: Can anybody tell me who is really a Goan? I know my ancestors were Hindu Saraswat Brahmins, migrated from the banks of the Saraswat river, that does not exist anymore. The only true or rather original Goans were the tribes of Kunbis,Gowdas and the Velips, who are now teated as backward classes by us, the so called Goans. A typical case of the so called Australians trying to civilize the Aborigines. Do that get so emotional. Emotions lead to negative energy. We are belong to one race -- Humanity. Peace be with you all, because all these ghantis you call , which is racial in itself, for all of us are Indians, clean your streets in Goa, sell your vegetables, do all your plumbing, do all your carpentary, clean your septic tanks, etc. etc. etc. so where are all the Goans? without them Goans would have been on their feet. God bless you all. Note: Forwarded message attached -- Original Message -- From: Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Goodbye Goans ahoy ghantis
[Goanet] NEWS: 'The BJP will not disintegrate' (Manohar Parrikar, in Rediff.com, interviewer: Vicky Nanjappa)
Hi, As long as there is rancid pickle and a spoon (Manohar) to stir it up, the rancid party will survive in a rancid existence, Allahu.
[Goanet] NEWS: Parrikar in pickle over LK quip (Times of India, The Telegraph, Herald)
Parrikar in pickle over LK quip TNN 23 September 2009, 07:26am IST PANAJI/NEW DELHI: Manohar Parrikar, whose name has been mentioned as a possible successor to BJP president Rajnath Singh, got himself in a pickle after he used the word in reference to L K Advani’s age in an interview with a TV channel on Tuesday. Areport by a news agency claimed that Parrikar had compared Advani to an aging pickle and said his political innings was “more or less over’’. “Pickle tastes good when it’s left to mature for a year. But when you keep it for more than two years, it turns rancid. Advaniji’s period is more or less over. Another couple of years, maybe. But he should be around as a guide or a mentor for party members,’’ the agency quoted Parrikar as saying. Parrikar termed the report a piece of “yellow journalism’’. “I have not said this. Parts of my interview were selectively chosen and shown as if I made it in the same context,’’ he said. ` “I spoke about how L K Advani was my favourite leader and how his period was more or less over. I referred to Sachin Tendulkar, who matured as a player like a pickle. But there will come a time when he will have to stop. Then, I referred to pickle. Like a pickle tastes good after a year, but is bad after a couple of years,’’ Parrikar said. Parikkar’s statement is being seen as a blatant attack on Advani, who been assigned has the task of ensuring a smooth transition in BJP by the RSS. With this, the focus in BJP seems to be back on the question of whether Advani should continue as the Leader of Opposition. Also, interestingly, when Arun Shourie had attacked the party leadership saying “bomb the headquarters’’, one of the leaders he had praised was Parrikar. “Advaniji is my icon. The media is distorting my comments. I only asked for a young person—between 40 and 55 years of age—to be party president. I stand by my comments,’’ said Parrikar. Asked about his name doing the rounds for party presidentship, Parrikar said he was not in the race. “There’s lot of wrong projection of BJP which can be cleared with a fresh face,’’ he said on BJP’s future. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/city/goa/Parrikar-in-pickle-over-LK-quip/articleshow/5045165.cms * * * Sachin-coated pill, er, pickle... RADHIKA RAMASESHAN New Delhi, Sept. 22: Even being compared to Sachin Tendulkar can leave you feeling in a bit of a pickle, L.K. Advani has found out. Manohar Parrikar, one of the BJP’s rising stars, yesterday drew parallels between the “innings” of Advani and India’s best batsman. That was no doubt a great advance on a comparison to Humpty Dumpty — as rebel MP Arun Shourie had recently dubbed the party brass — but Parrikar’s next comment would have left Advani with a sour taste in the mouth. A failure to retire in time may turn even a great career into spoilt pickle, the former Goa chief minister told a Konkani channel last night. The BJP, now used to its leaders brawling in public, put up a stoical face but off the cameras, officials admitted themselves flummoxed. Parrikar, a possible candidate for BJP president in RSS eyes, today translated the interview for The Telegraph. It all apparently began when he named Advani as his “favourite” leader in an answer to a question. “I praised Advani for his integrity and character and said he is currently playing an excellent innings. I spoke of my second love after politics, which is cricket, and named Tendulkar as my favourite player,” he said over the phone. “Tendulkar is maturing day by day but even the best player has his limitation and has to stop playing some day. It’s like pickle. It tastes best for a year after maturing but spoils after two years.” Parrikar stressed that the reference to spoilt pickle came in relation to his comments on Tendulkar and not Advani. There were enough hints in the interview, however, that party elders should now fade away. “I was asked if a young person is suited to take over as (party) president. I replied, ‘Yes, ideally between 45 and 55’,” the 53-year-old said. He added that Advani should think of “mentoring” the BJP. Parrikar is the first BJP leader to publicly echo RSS chief Mohanrao Bhagwat’s suggestion for a “generation change” at the top in the BJP. Sources denied that Parrikar was positioning himself in the race, arguing the reference to youth was “just a way” of nudging Advani to consider Bhagwat’s proposal “seriously”. “The RSS has said what it had to, and it is for Advani to take it from there. If he’s not prepared to do it, the Sangh will start pressure him through more such interviews,” a source said. Advani himself had virtually compared himself to Tendulkar last August, saying: “When we lost (the polls), people were disappointed the way they get disappointed whenever Tendulkar gets out in the 90s.” It prompted a critic to say that unlike Tendulkar, who withdrew when he realised he was a better batsman than captain, Advani was “unwilling to… let the party move on under a new
[Goanet] Everything I do, I do it for …
Everything I do, I do it for … Wait, wait! Don’t complete the line yet, I know you know the song or the lyrics... Read on, it may not be what you think it is. Well, I am not into any gainful employment part time or fulltime. Neither I am into any gainful business nor into earning fame or goodwill which, in the long run, one may usually use for business purpose or politically building up vote bank etc. One thing may be true. I am in full time into something. What’s that something? Well, that’s my business. (only few people may understand the nature of my business) Likely every businessman, I too expect ‘returns’ or profit for my hard work. That’s is main basis or motto of any business. Or else, why some one would invests huge money in? End of the business day, like every ‘posorkars’, I too check my books of accounts, I too check my cash boxes. Some items doing very well where as some doing extremely well yet there some which are doing miserably poor. This help me in deciding what’s more should I buy and kept for sale/display on my shop’s shelves. e.g. I call it a hit, if an item of mine hits 100 in 72 hrs or super hit if in less than 36 hours. There are some instances where in some item hits the target in less than 24 hours. It's like good items are always sold like hot cakes. Often there are requests to extend my business to those places which are not easily accessible to my type of stuff. I reluctantly say no as this could affect my business returns i.e. number of hits. . I see that some other business owners, using my items making it readily available to all areas thus depriving me of my returns or profits, the only basis which I really survive on. By now, I am sure, some of you will have fairly good knowledge as to what I was trying to sing in the subject line, I mean the lyrics. If not, read on.. Now sing along this first line and then the next Everything I do I do it for You Everything I do I do it for views You will note that while singing, it hardly make any difference (in sound) But when in writing, it does make a lot of difference. Thanks for understanding You are my valued customer Thank you for your patronage Customers satisfaction is our motto We do not sell cheap things but we sell things cheap If I do shift my business from CRZ costal areas to the hinterland, I am sure you, as satisfied cutomers, know where to follow me. If you still did not understand what this is all about, please ask. Here is something to cheer you up -related. wait until 1.05mins http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFD2gu007dc joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc Keep up with people you care about with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn how. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/connectmore
[Goanet] Volunteers Clean the World's Beaches
Volunteers Clean the World's Beaches WASHINGTON, DC, September 18, 2009 (ENS) - The Ocean Conservancy's International Coastal Cleanup, the world's largest volunteer effort to help protect oceans and waterways, gets underway Saturday with hundreds of thousands of volunteers expected to pick up trash on beaches around the globe. The volunteers keep track of every piece of trash they find and report it to the nonprofit Ocean Conservancy, which uses that information to produce an annual country-by-country, state-by-state index of marine debris. http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/sep2009/2009-09-18-02.asp -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] Volunteers Clean the World's Beaches
Will someone please send these enterprising guys the photographs of the fish strewn Miramar/Caranzalem beaches and enquire if they will rid our beaches of the traditional fishermen and their gear too, along with the Pollution Control Board guys too :-)) floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoro...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:51 PM Subject: [Goanet] Volunteers Clean the World's Beaches Volunteers Clean the World's Beaches WASHINGTON, DC, September 18, 2009 (ENS) - The Ocean Conservancy's International Coastal Cleanup, the world's largest volunteer effort to help protect oceans and waterways, gets underway Saturday with hundreds of thousands of volunteers expected to pick up trash on beaches around the globe. The volunteers keep track of every piece of trash they find and report it to the nonprofit Ocean Conservancy, which uses that information to produce an annual country-by-country, state-by-state index of marine debris. http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/sep2009/2009-09-18-02.asp -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
[Goanet] FSUG-Goa, a new network...
Free Software User Group-Goa This group is dedicated to discussions on the philosophy, politics and technical aspects of free software. It is an attempt to create a community space for GNU/Linux users in Goa to discuss and share information and expertise on this subject. An important objective of the group shall also be to spread the message of free software and the principle governing its development and usage. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fsug-goa/ -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] Fish seen strewn on the Miramar-Caranzalem beachafter the fishermen, who had a huge haul, picked up the gigger variety and left the smaller ones to rot -Photo inset NT-22/9/09
Dear Ashley, You say harsh? Which law is not harsh? Why do we send criminals to jail? Instead, can't we just talk to them, send them emails, have a meeting with them, pacify them and expect them not to repeat the crimes? Actually, my anger is directed towards the No. 1 government of the No. 1 state in India which has forgotten its rule book in the dusty corner somewhere. Criminals will go on committing crimes if the rule book is not thrown at them. Next, we will have to talk to, send emails to the the freely shitting in the open migrants in the capital city, Panjim. I would rather direct them to the nice looking Goa Vidhan Sabha to do us Goans a treat. :-)) floriano goasuraj PS: My good friend Alex Sequeira is the Environment Minister and his PAs phone is 9822982469 or office LL is 0832-2419518 - Original Message - From: Ashley D'silva ashleyivordsi...@gmail.com To: 'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!' goanet@lists.goanet.org; Goa ~ Agha Advocate iftia...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fish seen strewn on the Miramar-Caranzalem beachafter the fishermen, who had a huge haul,picked up the gigger variety and left the smaller ones to rot -Photo inset NT-22/9/09 To ---floriano goasuraj Dear Floriano, Don't you think this is a too harsh - talk to them , hold a meeting with them, point out that the whole world is watching this Or pls send me their emails and we could tell them that this is simply not done. Thank God bless your endeavor to keep the beaches clean.
[Goanet] Christians, Hindu names ... and controversy (Selma Carvalho's Goanet highlights)
Goanet highlights by Selma Carvalho In recent weeks there has been a backlash against activists in Goa. Here Venita Coelho espouses their cause. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183550.html Are Christians with Hindu-names cowards? Jorge Dias, came in for strident opposition when he aired his views that those who hold onto their Hindu names are afraid to live up to the sacrifices called upon by Christianity. Much as I disagree with Jorge, there is something to be said about Goans who retained their Hindu names and took on Portuguese surnames. While the working class happily took on names of Portuguese trees, foxes, flowers and whatever else the Portuguese were throwing at us, it was the Brahmins who retained their duality thereby holding onto their caste links. Relinquishing their religion was one thing, relinquishing their caste was quite another. It meant relinquishing their power-hold and that proved more difficult to do than to renounce God. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183512.html A response to this assertion from Naguesh Bhatcar. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183540.html Tony D'Sa wonders about the future of Goanet itself as a tool for creating social capital. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183530.html Did former CM of Goa and now slated to lead the BJP at the national level really call the Prime-Minister-in-awaiting, L K Advani a rancid, ageing pickle? Vinay Natekar tells us why Parrikar may be right. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183527.html The tourist-state of Goa has longed been plagued by garbage problems. One young environmentalist who has long taken up this cause is Clinton Vaz. He was collecting samples from the River Sal, when men his age only dream of getting a Honda motorbike. Here he talks about his dreams of a 'zero-waste' Goa. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183522.html Was being a tiatrist a Catholic Goan artistic profession? JoeGoaUK busts this myth by presenting us with a non-Catholic tiartrist. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183509.html JoeGoaUK brings us a touch of Goan nostalgia with this classic Konkani black and white movie song, Svettor kor. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183459.html Selma Carvalho looks at Goan traditions being preserved in cyberspace, this time that of the good old balcão fight. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183451.html Dominic Fernandes continues to fascinate us with the minutia of Goa life in a bygone era, here with Part 4 of the Forgotten Tribe, Mhar. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183422.html Turning his attention away from out-migration, Valmiki Faleiro now gives us a historical preview of in-migration in his series, G'bye Goa. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183414.html Pandu Lampiao tells us why behind those benign smiles, Goans may actually be quite racist. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183389.html Goa, FA Secretary, Savio Messias pays a touching tribute to his close friend Noel da Mima Leitao, in 'Noel we will miss you.' http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183312.html GaspersWorld brings us an interview with a rising Goan star, Katty de Navelin. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183269.html An in-depth analysis of the Denationalization of Goans, a phrase first made popular by T.B Cunha by Nishtha Desai. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183245.html And finally JoeGoaUK continues his photo-documentary of Goa by bringing us breathtaking pictures of its rich Baroque architecture. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-September/183270.html SEND IN your comments on these and any other issues to goa...@goanet.org Visit the Goanet website at http://www.goanet.org Tonnes of Goanet archives at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/
[Goanet] Portuguese books... available online for free
Portuguese books... available online for free http://www.gutenberg.org/browse/languages/pt -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] CHRISTIANs WITH HINDU NAMES ARE COWARDS.
What's this rubbish going round? Christians with Hindu names? Looks as though the poster forgot to underscore his unstated thesis that Christians and Hindus (and Muslims, Sikhs, and all the dozens of denominations in India where we usually celebrate diversity) are sworn enemies of one another in Goa and the rest of India. Plain ignorance of reality. I proudly carry my first name. I was baptised with it at the church font even before I realised it (according to my baptismal certificate, I was seven days old when this happened.) Yet I'm proud, though certainly not with any justification that I've even remotely lived up to the name my parents decided to name me after one of India's greatest Rishis (a Maharishi indeed), Valmiki. Can't figure out how that could tickle Jorge! I tend to agree with Mario (his post copied below.) Names like mine are more Indian than Hindu -- and wish more such Christians knew a bit more what about Hinduism is all about (they would then be better armed to meet Hindutva theorists!) (Incidentally, Valmiki is not just Indian, no private property here, the Maharishi belongs not just to India but to the world.) Can only hope some better sense will prevail in the minds of so-called Christians. -v - Original Message - From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] CHRISTIANs WITH HINDU NAMES ARE COWARDS. Pandurang Fernandes is no coward. He has fought against all forces of nature - Hindu, Christian and Muslim. He is not afraid to show his face to the facist, and use the full force of an armed Forsu, with the other arm tied behind his back, against a thousand faceless Forsus who hide behind their faiths and their fake IDs. Cheers, Santosh --- On Tue, 9/22/09, Jorge Dias jorges...@gmail.com wrote: Those Christians in India who are operating with Hindu names are doing this to protect their skin from Hindu facist forces. May God give these christians the courage that they do not hide their christian faith. God Bless You. Jorge Dias. Bombay. = - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:48 PM Subject: [Goanet] CHRISTIANs WITH HINDU NAMES ARE COWARDS Mario observes: In my never-humble opinion, there is nothing inherently Christian or Non-Christian in a name. I know many Christians with so-called Hindu names who do not hide their religion, but have assumed Hindu names for other cultural reasons.
[Goanet] CATHOLIC CHURCH NOT FORCING YOU TO
Albert writes:- The writer has shown his ignorance and emotions while writing this letter jumping to conclusion that I have joined the bandwagon of believers because we think because we are Roman Catholics and have a well established church that we have legal right to heaven and all other denominations along with people of other religion are doomed. When Ignorance is bliss it is folly to be wise. I wrote on Caritas. This institution is instituted to look after the poor and needy. If you are helped by st vincente de Paul society in Dabul does not necessarily mean the whole of Goa is helped and there is no poverty among the Christians. I had written the letter on caritas and had said and am saying it again is that caritas has not shown concern to the welfare of the poor and the needy though we are contributing by means of collections towards their fund. One Rosario Abel Fernandes who has written this letter and I am replying to it does not make a nation. Like wise mother Theresa has been helping millions of people all over the world but this is their own contribution towards society and has no connection with the catholic church. In today's world every one is poor. Some may not have money. Some are poor in mind and spirit and needs moral supports. Some may have wealth but no health. etc etc. What is the catholic Church doing towards upliftment of these type of poor ? What are you doing towards this ? I know the catholic Church is not forcing us. Every property that the church has ,belong to the faithful. No contribution towards the church property has been made by the authorities of the Church. Even SVP begs money from people and earn credit, they do not work for it. I may be harsh but looking down on other denomination and other people of other religion by the Roman Catholic to which I too belong is a neurosis. _ Stay updated! Add Facebook, LinkedIn, MySpace Hi5 friends to your Windows Live network instantly. Add Now! http://profile.live.com/webactivities/?mkt=en-in
Re: [Goanet] CHRISTIANs WITH HINDU NAMES ARE COWARDS
CHRISTIANS WITH HINDU NAMES I have read the exchange of views on Goanet Digest and I cannot understand what the fuss is all about! Many Goans who live in Goa believe that Goa was LIBERATED. So, if Goa was Liberated should not the names be liberated also if you are in Goa and celebrating 19 December 2009 as Liberation Day? If not for the influence of Portuguese, wouldn't we all be called either Mohammed, Abdullah, Raghuram, Vishnu, Saraswati, Ram, Sita etc? Please cherish the Hindu names in the name of Liberation! It is good to erase Portuguese influence and perhaps people can change their surnames as well. That way our people can become Chief Ministers or Prime Minister of India. Jai Hind - long live Goa - Amchem Goem amcam Zavem! Oscar Lobo
[Goanet] New 'sex prayer' for Catholics
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2009/09/22/catholic_sex/ New Catholic sex prayer -- but where's the sex? The Church's booklet for married spouses replaces excitement and intimacy with sack cloth and ashes By Frances Kissling Sept. 22, 2009 | A British publishing house has created a stir with a new book. No, not the latest teen vampire saga or bestseller of intellectual derring-do; this hot commodity is the Prayer Book for Spouses. The 64-page booklet from the Catholic Truth Society (CTS) contains prayers about pregnancy, about caring for children and elderly parents. The prayer getting all the attention, however, is about sex. It is the prayer married couples are advised to say “before making love.” It's hard not to detect a note of skepticism and confusion in media reports, as though the prayer is something akin to Scientologists using e-meters to uncover childhood secrets. The Roman Catholic Church encourages couples to pray before sex to remind themselves that intercourse is a selfless act not driven by hedonism, reads a caption in London's Daily Mail, which illustrates the story with a cutesy photo of a couple kneeling by a white bed. Those crazy Catholics -- what will they think of next? As for the prayer itself -- well, it's gibberish. Perhaps it's unfair to subject prayers to literary criticism, but this one is a dour series of poorly strung-together clichés about married couples being mired in “half-truths and little deceits, as CTS director Fergal Martin said on the organization's website, adding this gloomy forecast for marriage: “For many the struggle for sincerity and truth in loving will be constant.” But more important, whoever wrote this prayer (the authors are unnamed) squeezed all the juice out of sexual pleasure. Had they bothered to study the greatest of all prayers and songs of love -- the Old Testament Song of Solomon, in which the lover and the beloved sing to each other in 117 lines of exquisite intimacy and truth-telling -- they might have written something beautiful and evocative. It could have started bydrawing on the third verse: “By night on my bed I sought him whom my soul loves.” It could have ended as the Song of Solomon ends: “Make haste my beloved and be thou like to a roe or to a young hart upon the mountain of spices.” It could have invoked fine wine, the nectar of the pomegranate, the “waters that cannot quench love,” the “floods that cannot drown it.” Instead the couple in the prayer whines and pleads and pretty much avoids sex altogether: “Father, send your Holy Spirit into our hearts. Place within us love that truly gives, tenderness that truly unites, self-offering that tells the truth and does not deceive, forgiveness that truly receives, loving physical union that welcomes. Open our hearts to you, to each other and the goodness of your will. Cover our poverty in the richness of your mercy and forgiveness. Clothe us in our true dignity and take to yourself our shared aspirations for your glory, forever and ever. Mary, our Mother, intercede for us. Amen. Avoiding sex is something religion -- especially Catholicism -- excels at. From the earliest days of Christianity, sex was suspect. The early Christians were sure the second coming of Jesus would happen in their lifetime and believed it was their obligation to prepare by spending as much time as possible praying and thinking about God. They understood that sex -- and especially its pleasure -- distracted them from that purpose. The only possible redeeming feature of sex was procreation. Just the idea of a prayer for making love would have been anathema to them: Christians were advised to avoid sex, and married couples living “as brother and sister” were the ideal. After all, church leaders postulated that, if Adam and Eve had not sinned and had been able to remain in paradise, sex would be devoid of all those messy emotions -- pleasure, pain, jealousy, anxiety, need. And this fear of sexual pleasure did not disappear with time. As late as the 18th century, sex was a sin outside procreation. The more pleasure you had, the more sinful it was. Modern Catholics are embarrassed by this history. They claim everything has changed and, in some ways, it has. But even today, the Catholic Church does not accept sexuality separated from procreation. This despite the fact that most Catholic couples have sex for the purpose of having children only a few times during their married life and thousands of times as an expression of love and in pursuit of pleasure. And why not? It is incomprehensible to believe that God wishes couples to have more children than they can afford or thinks it is “good” for them to abstain from sex when they are not prepared to have children. This hostility to sexual pleasure has caused much suffering. When modern contraception became available 50 years ago, in the form of the pill, the church forbade its use and, for a time, Catholic couples listened -- often to their detriment. Kate Michelman,
Re: [Goanet] 35th TC 2009 - Jivitan Kallok
Thanks Joe, The set deserves a prize! Eddie Verdes JIVITAN KALLOK Some more beautiful village life scenes Man sitting on ‘Umreacher’ door steps http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk-tiatr2/3945454012/sizes/l/
[Goanet] Check out this Wikipedia entry
While surfing the net, I came across this Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_D%27Souza Can anyone throw more light on this gentleman who seems to be of Goan origin? -- _ / _) Tony de Sa .-^^^-/ / M; +91 9975 162 897 __/ / Ph: +91 832 2470 148 __.|_|--|_|tonyd...@gmail.com :._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.: In a world without fences, who needs Gates?
[Goanet] St.George/Jorge/Jordi
He was born in Roman/Greek occupied Turkey, to a Roman official and his Lebanese wife. He would go on to rise through the ranks to become a Consul, but was beheaded by the Emperor Diocletian, in 303AD, when he embraced the newly arrived Christian religion. He was named a saint in the next century, his Feast observed on the 23rd of april. King Edward proclaimed him England's Patron saint in 1370, and John of Portugal had him replace St. James, as Sao Jorge, in 1400. He was buried near Beirut, and became their high icon. Credited with the introduction of the new religion to Georgia, his cult reaches it's zenith in the Kavkas, with local historian Vakhusti listing 365 churches dedicated to him. The Kakhetis compare him to Jesus, and the Khev-Sureti region displays what are known as his Kakmati and Gudami icons. The Pashars and Khavsurs also see him as a Saviour. He is Jorge to Catalonia, and Jordi to Arragon, a Patron to both. Serbians call him Svete Dorde, and his specially named holiday, Dur-Devdan, is marked along the entire Balkan range. To a child in Europe, the Knight on a white horse, who slays a dragon, is no everyday saint. That story is in the realm of Vedic-Ugric-Greek-Asia Minor myth, where anxious new Christians feared the loss of their former heavenly overseers, and needed a worthy replacement for their eqestrian 'skyfathers': the likes of Sabazion and Zeus, slayers of Typhon the Titan. --- Has any one heard of St Jorge, and what day of the month is his or her feast day please let me know. Is Jorge a Bosnian/Kosovan/croatian or Polish saint? Caj.
Re: [Goanet] Check out this Wikipedia entry
2009/9/23 Tony de Sa tonyde...@gmail.com: While surfing the net, I came across this Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_D%27Souza Can anyone throw more light on this gentleman who seems to be of Goan origin? Francisco D'Souza is the son of Goanetter Placido D'Souza, former ambassador to many countries, and posted on behalf of the Indian Foreign Service to at least two dozen countries. If I'm not mistaken, Francisco's sisters are very early Goanetters. Herman could confirm. They trace their roots to Anjuna, but Placido grew up in Pune. He mentioned that he was inspired to join the IFS because of another Goan who got in before him, Peter Lynn Sinai. --FN Eddie Fernandes' post: http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com/2006/08/04/another-goan-at-the-top/ Francisco D’Souza was born in Nairobi in 1968, the son of Sushila and Placido D’Souza (born in 1933, ex-Anjuna, Goa ex India’s Consul General in New York and High Commissioner in Port of Spain, Hong Kong and Nairobi). His sisters are Jacinta, Lucia and Maria. Francisco attended University of East Asia, Macau and Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh. He is married to Ines, a Brazilian. For more info about him and the family see GVUK 2006-14 Placido D'Souza, ambassador to West Indies, Panama, Zaire, New York, Port of Spain, Hong Kong and Nairobi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_from_Goa Placido D'Souza (b.1933) was ambassador to a large number of countries, including in the West Indies, Panama, Zaire, New York, Port of Spain, Hong Kong and Nairobi. Another diplomat of Goan origin, Peter Lynn Sinai (b.1933) topped the competitive exams in 1956. Anthony Lancelot Dias, ICS (b.1910) was praised for negotiating India's foodgrains with great ability and success. He was appointed Lt. Governor of Tripura in 1970 and later Governor of West Bengal. http://roland-torontogoan.blogspot.com/2008/07/goan-achievers-and-achievements.html -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
[Goanet] Photos from Sunaparanta this evening: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157622440759570/
Some photos from Sunaparanta - Goa Centre for the Arts i...@sgcfa.org from their event of September 23, 2009: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157622440759570/ There's an event at Sunaparanta every Wednesday 5:30 pm to 7:30 pm at 63/C-8, Near Lar de Estudantes, Altinho, Panaji Ph:2421311 i...@sgcfa.org This week's Art Lounge saw a discussion panel on artistic freedom which includes Venita Coelho, Subodh Kerkar, Geoffrey Witte, Vidyadhar Gadgil and Margaret Mascarenhas. E-meet with some names you've read on Goanet. --FN -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
[Goanet] CHRISTIANS WITH HINDU NAMES ARE COWARDS
Drear Sir/madam I for one would never hide my Christian names. But would dearly love to know my Hindu surname before my ancestors were converted to Christianity. Ignatius Fernandes. _ With Windows Live, you can organise, edit, and share your photos. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/
[Goanet] NEWS: Remarks on Advani in Konkani were 'twisted': Parrikar (PTI, Village Tinto)
Remarks on Advani in Konkani were 'twisted': Parrikar STAFF WRITER 18:40 HRS IST New Delhi, Sept 23 (PTI) Former Goa Chief Minister Manohar Parrikar, who created a controversy with his alleged remarks comparing senior party leader L K Advani to a rancid pickle, today said the interpretation of his remarks in Konkani were twisted. It has been brought to my notice that an interview given by me to a local Konkani television channel has been twisted and maliciously blown out of proportion by a section of the media. This probably has occurred as the interview is in vernacular Konkani language, Parrikar said in a statement. Parrikar was in the eye of a storm when he reportedly suggested yesterday that Advani's innings in politics would come to an end in a year or two, and allegedly drew an analogy with a pickle which takes a year to mature. But if it is kept for two years or so, it gets rancid. http://www.ptinews.com/news/296612_Remarks-on-Advani-in-Konkani-were--twisted---Parrikar * * * Parrikar's pickle remark and a hungry media Published on: Wed, 23/09/2009 - 3:22pm By: Village Tinto Goa's opposition leader Mr Manohar Parrikar ruffled a few feathers in the BJP headquarters in New Delhi after he reportedly compared BJP's numero uno, L K Advani to a rancid pickle. But was it a media hungry for a story? Pickle tastes good when it’s left to mature for a year. But when you keep it for more than two years, it turns rancid. Advaniji’s period is more or less over. Another couple of years, maybe. But he should be around as a guide or a mentor for party members, Mr Parrikar is quoted as saying on local television channel Prudent Media. However media reports vary. While IANS reported saying that Parrikar “has likened” Mr Advani to an ageing pickle, Press Trust of India reported Advani was compared to a “rancid pickle” by Parrikar. Reacting to the reports however, Mr Parrikar said he was mis-quoted by selective editing of the interview. Terming it yellow journalism Mr Parrikar said, I have not said this. Parts of my interview were selectively chosen and shown as if I made it in the same context. He further clarified saying, I spoke about how L K Advani was my favourite leader and how his period was more or less over. I referred to Sachin Tendulkar, who matured as a player like a pickle. But there will come a time when he will have to stop. He said the pickle reference was made in Tendulkar's context and not Mr Advani. However, the 53-year old Parrikar stood by the view that a young person, between 40 and 55 years, should take the reigns as BJP president. Mr Parrikar is reportedly a front-runner in the race for the post of next BJP president. http://www.villagetinto.in/news/parrikars-pickle-remark-and-hungry-media-495
Re: [Goanet] CHRISTIANs WITH HINDU NAMES ARE COWARDS.
2009/9/22 Jorge Dias jorges...@gmail.com Those Christians in India who are operating with Hindu names are doing this to protect their skin from Hindu facist forces. May God give these christians the courage that they do not hide their christian faith. et etc A *Christian* Warrior is someone who is not afraid to pick up their cross and follow Christ. They know that to live is Christ, and to die is gain, and they are willing to give what they cannot keep to gain what they cannot lose. They They are fearless. Unafraid, they boldly face persecution, ridicule, and even torture with unwavering faith and a steadfast heart. -- response -- Dear Jorge, I intentionally held my breath - to read what others had to write in response to you - before I approached my keyboard. Forgive me for saying this - but in these days of pseudonyms - I did really wonder who Jorge Dias was. So, when you go get an opportunity, do let us know a bit more about yourself - if at all, it is possible. Allow me then to state the following: There some merit and some demerit in what you have written. [1] names of convenience: I personally know of a: a number of Hindus (living near Carambolim) who had Christian-sounding names and surnames who were actually practising Hindus. They reverted to their hindu-sounding names after 1961. b: some Goan Catholics in Poona - who changed their surnames from the Portuguese to the Anglicised variant - Soares became Sawyer, Fernandes became Ferns etc c: Mangalorean Catholics who changed their names - before entering University in Karnataka - Fernandes became Prabhu. Pinto became Rao, and de Souza became Kamath. d: Goan Hindus Lusitanised their names, spoke Portuguese better than the Portuguese - Chowgule became Chougulo, Shenvi became Xinai, Kamat became Camotim. e: A well known Pakistani (formerly) Christian cricket player had an Islamic sounding first name ...Yousuf (he has changed his name after converting to Islam). [2] Except for Mohammed Yousuf, None of the above changed their religious practices even though they modified their names. It might interest you that in the Caribbean, you will find (East Indian) Hindus and Christians having the same names and surnamesand along with the Muslims, they take part in Id, Bajaan (Bhajan) and Christmas together with one relative who might be Hindu, another Muslim and the third a Christian. ..All sharing Roti, Curry Goat, Daal and White rum. ** Please note that the term 'East Indians' refers to descendants of the Indian indentured labourers. It is my personal observation that NEW Indian immigrants (especially the 'hupper class' Hindus) to the Caribbean look down upon these original East Indians Anyway ... I digressed. [3] I accept that there is some religion-based (and caste-based) descrimination in India. Now, IF you had a family to feed - which choice would you make (as long as you privately practised your faith) a: The safe choice (of least resistance) - modify your name/surname to make yourself less conspicuous? or b: The fool-hardy choice - of In your face and risk your family? FINALLY: [4] Is it more important to be a 'demonstrative' Christian or a 'practising' one? good wishes jc One who believes that BUT FOR the Portuguese conquest of Goa, my real name (and that of many others) would have been Yousuf; and one who prefers a Good Hindu, Catholic, Muslim and Non-believer anyday to a violent, lying, thiefing, and discriminatory Hindu, Catholic, Muslim and Non-believer. .anyday
Re: [Goanet] CHRISTIANs WITH HINDU NAMES ARE COWARDS.
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:20:20 +0530 From: Valmiki Faleiro valmi...@gmail.com (Incidentally, Valmiki is not just Indian, no private property here, the Maharishi belongs not just to India but to the world.) Mario responds: Now, now, Maharishi Faleiro, let's not get carried away here - after you were doing so well in defending your auspicious name:-)) Don't we all belong to the world? I always told my parents growing up that the saint's names were getting stale and boring and we needed more saints with names like Valmiki and Vinita and Vijay and Priya and Sapna and Santosh and Rajan and Samir and Sandeep, all legitimate candidates after Vatican II. I did my part by using three of these myself. We have a TRULY Catholic church where I live that has life sized tapestries of Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr. hung inside the church alongside several saints whose names we would all recognize. Jorge needs to wise up.
[Goanet] Songs of Lorna
While we are discussing about 25,000 konkani songs..does anyone know the number of songs Lorna has to her credit...recently I read somewhere she said that she sang thousands of songs...can you guess how many thousands?..I have not formed a data base yet...but I should have around 200 songs Edward Verdes http://edskantaram.blogspot.com/
Re: [Goanet] contents of goanet dijest-CHRISTIANS WITH HINDU NAMES
After considering carefully what this topic will achieve, I for one feel that this is another divisive tactic in the whole sphere of Goan Psychology. Arent we divided enough by way of Caste that we have to drag Name and Religion into the equation. Let us unite under one banner as GOANS. Be we Hindu, Christian, Brahmin, Kshaktria, Sudhir Mhar or other. We should be Goans first and all other after. Eddie Tavares
Re: [Goanet] CHRISTIANs WITH HINDU NAMES ARE COWARDS.
Traditional Catholic names are basically European names some are corrupted names from the middle eastern region. e.g George from Jorge/ Peter from Pedrom (persian) and so it goes on. The so called Hindu names are Indian names and they are more in tune with the language and the region. Instead of getting hung up on issues of names there are more important urgent matters at hand e.g green house emmison, land preservation for posterity and preserving the planet for the future. Move on Jorge. Jacinta
[Goanet] Goa news for September 24, 2009
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Remarks on Advani in Konkani were 'twisted': Parrikar - Press Trust of India alls-Advani-rancid-ageing-pickle/articleshow/5044845.cmsusg=AFQjCNGQOjVN4QsEayvW3vpejBWKZnxUEAParrikar calls Advani rancid, ageing pickle http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.ptinews.com/news/296612_Remarks-on-Advani-in-Konkani-were--twisted---Parrikarusg=AFQjCNGGvC-YIs05EK894-GpaQ8NQuCcIQ *** SOMA Networks in Partnership With BSNL Launches Wireless Broadband ... - PR Newswire (press release) tate government body, has inked an agreement with BSNL to provide this service to 4000 units in the first year, as a part of its ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://sev.prnewswire.com/computer-networks/20090923/3979112en_iCrossing23092009-1.htmlusg=AFQjCNFP0nJEeIZcS0PDdy4dtlNLNBJ-Vg *** Muthalik moves court against ban on his entry into Goa - Press Trust of India DTOcQZ6yYzjgMuthalik wants orders banning his entry to Goa set aside http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.ptinews.com/news/296271_Muthalik-moves-court-against-ban-on-his-entry-into-Goausg=AFQjCNEL0rtehJzkN7vRcqOUlkHBnAC3PQ *** Goa's Port Trust signs agreement for developing coal berth - Indopia ased consortium offered a revenue share of 20 per cent to the MPT, which was higher than share of 14.7 per cent offered by the other ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.indopia.in/India-usa-uk-news/latest-news/674255/Business/4/20/4usg=AFQjCNEpjVDHR9_0dbiM_I2BPbGq9wtfoA *** Cheapest Holidays to Goa Explore Land of Beautiful Beaches - Article Maniac engue-cases-reported-goa-497usg=AFQjCNHsG6aQ9jgnVrf7vGGEtjcOamqTlw6 dengue cases reported in Goa http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.articlemaniac.com/article/238532/cheapest-holidays-to-goa-explore-land-beautiful-beaches.htmlusg=AFQjCNHPkyvB8V1HIhzuq4eQnXXbO1Wg0g *** Goa activists cannon fodder for political ends - Village Tinto Goa llage Tinto GoaActivism in Goa is of the short term because most are politically backed. Activists are pushed onto the streets during agitations and then left to fend for ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.villagetinto.in/news/goa-activists-cannon-fodder-political-ends-499usg=AFQjCNFTwVVfPvFDyQTcBNzSQlG6__cMBA *** Priyanka dazzles at Tiff, Goan film wins award - South Asian Focus inute film, which Goan filmmaker Laxmikant Shetgaonkar made with assistance from the National Film Development Corporation (NFDC), was lauded by ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.southasianfocus.ca/community/article/76968usg=AFQjCNGYiW7eLMLV4DTJUXwbz7wsveviYw *** Goa govt relocates village from National Park - Press Trust of India ong exercise, Goa government has completely relocated a cluster of houses from state's National park, ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.ptinews.com/news/294641_Goa-govt-relocates-village-from-National-Parkusg=AFQjCNE9dNLGJr3ip4fgd4ky0TAXA5h_4A *** Panaji: Pay Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan Teachers - Goa Government urged - Daijiworld.com ijiworld.comPanaji, Sep 23: MP Shantaram Naik urged that Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan para teachers services should now be utilized by Goa government and their salaries should ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=66056n_tit=Panaji%3A+Pay+Sarva+Shiksha+Abhiyan+Teachers+-+Goa+Government+urgedusg=AFQjCNGaWsqeM6egnlUmvz03pzFzn8Rm6Q *** Goa couple cremated - Times of India ased architect B Kameswara Sarma and his wife Jyotsna, who had drowned in Goa on Monday, were cremated here on Tuesday. ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/city/hyderabad/Goa-couple-cremated/articleshow/5044548.cmsusg=AFQjCNHuhVn0CEL8I6RSNbLCl2Mdqh4oXQ Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Christian/Hindu names
What is all this controversy regarding Christian and Hindu names. If you refering Christian names to Saint names, I can understand, but then aren't we secular. My friend's daughter is married to a Polish Catholic. She has an Indian name 'Maya' her second name is the Polish version of Agnes and her Polish surname. In Goa it was a tradition to give names of the patron saint of your family. Today hardly anyone has these names, its either russian names, german names, etc. One name for a boy which is so common in India is Rahul, it has something to do with Lord Buddha who was Prince Sidharath. One has Catholic, Sikhs, Hindus, Jains, etc. with the name of Rahul. What about Indians copying the west where dress is concerned. The other day I went for a dinner 'do,' wearing an 'oriya' sari. Everyone else was in western attire. How many Goans wear a Sherwani or a Bangala, is it because they consider themselves Portuguese. Do the westerners copy our attire. Now, in Portugual, Hindi films is the 'done' thing. Please let us be secular, don't forget, Judaism, Christanity and Islam are all comparative religions. Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami -- next part -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.112/2389 - Release Date: 09/22/09 17:54:00
Re: [Goanet] The Accidental Activist - The Other Accidental Activists
Dear Venita, How can we support people in this movement - Please spell out. Warm regards Ashley D'Silva
Re: [Goanet] Avram's God - Thank You, Venantius.
You have kept a keen eye on my long and Quixotic quest to uncover the language and related nomenclature underpinnings of our human saga. I place an emphasis on 'our human.' A wonderful gift, language can also become a tool that helps sow dissonance: all very sad. Eric. Eric, by Avram and Jove you rock. Rock on Arrik. venantius
[Goanet] Goodbye Goa ahoy ghantis
Valmiki Faleiro wrote: And it looks like, in your exceptionally unexpressed (below) hate-India sentiment, you forgot some basic facts on the issues of out-migration and in-migration that affected Portugal down history (hardly relevant to what I was talking about -- Goa.) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 03:16:29 + (GMT) From: Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk In Goa the migrants are all illegal since under the UN charter the action of Bharat was an invasion. Goa was sovereign under Portuguese rule. Mario observes: Hey, Bernardo, Your comments above are illegal under the following treaty. http://untreaty.un.org/unts/1_6/27/28/00053352.pdf
[Goanet] Austerity, Thy Name Is Our Politicians Game
Austerity, Thy Name Is Our Politicians Game The media is full of Austerity today, and it bemuses me a great deal to see, how astute our politicians think they are and how gullible they think we are (the Aam Admi), to fall for their self-absorbed and self-centered convictions. Austerity was propagated by none other than our very own Father of The Nation, Bapuji, he was laughed at and scorned, but it was his belief, in his principals of non violence and austerity that ultimately won us our independence, but the million dollar question is how serious are our present day politicians about austerity ? Has the Congress come out with a mantra called Austerity to con the gullible Indians ? How can our corrupt, egoistic, self centered politicians, suddenly become paragons of virtue over night ? Though some virulent reactions have been noted within the Congress Party, most are staying on the periphery and moving cautiously, to safeguard their decorum and position. Traveling economy class by air and train will certainly ease the burden on the tax payer, but will that be enough to root out corruption ? Or will austerity force open other doors and means of corruption ? The flow of water if stopped will automatically divert itself for a free flow along other lines. If India has to benefit from the proclaimed austerity of our politicians, than tokenism should be eschewed in totality, and other progressions that will help alleviate poverty, illiteracy and corruption should be implemented and flowed in earnest, the show of austerity by our politicians on it's own will not change India. Freddy Agnelo Fernandes The content of this electronic communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and any others who are specifically authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or otherwise placing reliance on the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful in certain legal jurisdictions. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Re: [Goanet] CHRISTIANs WITH HINDU NAMES ARE COWARDS.
While Jacinta is making a good point about saving the planet, there are people wondering How to survive. That, I believe was the posit made in the Jorge Dias' post. Jacinta may wish to visit the NE of India or Gujarat or even a few miles south of Goa to Chicamangaloor and understand that there are more emergent problems that minorities face. And then there are the constantly evolving Maoist and Naxalite situations which are affecting a significant part of India. I also wonder if jacinta is correct about the origin of the name Peter from the 'Persian Pedrom'. (I am not sure that such a name exists in Persian, but that is besides the point). It is my understanding - and I stand corrected, if I am wrong that: The Persian language is about 2500 years old Greek and Latin are about 3500 years old The name Peter (and its Hebrew/Aramaic version) signifies a 'rock' originates from Petros in Greek and/or Petrus in Latin I will not get into what is Indian ..it would be discussing 'What is Australian without taking the Aboriginees into account. jc 2009/9/23 jacinta/chander c...@bigpond.com: Traditional Catholic names are basically European names some are corrupted names from the middle eastern region. e.g George from Jorge/ Peter from Pedrom (persian) and so it goes on. The so called Hindu names are Indian names and they are more in tune with the language and the region. Instead of getting hung up on issues of names there are more important urgent matters at hand e.g green house emmison, land preservation for posterity and preserving the planet for the future. Move on Jorge.
Re: [Goanet] CHRISTIANS WITH HINDU NAMES ARE COWARDS
Post liberation, many Goan parents named their children after Bollywood stars e.g. Amit/Amitabh, Rajesh, Shashi, Sharmila, Rekha, Madhuri, etc. Even Goan priests took up Hindu names. I had a friend of mine, Fr. Sawant, from Sant Estevam. He passed away about ten years ago. For the past three decades or so it has become a fashion for Goan Christians to use Hindu names, especially those of Bollywood stars. In Pakistan, Christians are forced to take on Muslim names but it is not so in Goa. We choose our names and christen our children. Off-subject: What I am going to write here is not related to Christians with Hindu names but to Christianity: Post India's independence, when the Hindu-Muslim massacre took place, my father worked for the Green Hotel in Bombay - he played for a resident band there. He told us how Hindus and Muslims killed each other mercilessly, especially at night when employees returned home from their work. The only way for them to escape death was to pretend that they were Christians. With this in mind, many Hindus and Muslims opted to wear a cross or a scapular in their necks. When attacked at night and about to be hacked or stabbed, the victim would display the cross or scapular in his neck and claim to be a Christian, and it worked; thus, many escaped the clutches of death by displaying signs of Christianity. My father would have turned 100 years old last April. I am sure there are people around who can vouch for what I have stated above. Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Mob: 9420979201 http://www.goanet.org/post.php?name=Newslist=goanetinfo=2009-September/threadpost_id=183512
[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (24Sep09)
*** Goa on Child Sex Tourist Map *** Little Willy is learning Karate? Goa is a dangerous place for KIDS! To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit: www.alexyztoons.com Site sponsored by www.goasudharop.org
[Goanet] God and You
Albert writes:- Why must we divide ourselves into Christians, Hindus, Muslims Parses etc ? Are all of us not created by one and one Almighty God ? What is there in names whether I have Hindu names or I have names of trees ? There are so many names that I have come across which are neither Christian names nor Hindu names. They are not even names of human beings. So many of the Christian names are either difficult to write or difficult to pronounce. Many of our names are made up of two combinations one of the father and the second one of the mother that always sounds funny. Some of our teachers will vouch for me that they find it so difficult to get the names of their students. Its either Kisley, Tamsly, footsly, or ghostly, etc. Why boast to say that Christians having hindu names are cowards ? We have Rajendra, Jawahal, Azad etc some of them were my class mates and they were very brave people and sportpersons and highly intelligent too. Could we call them cowards just because they had names of their names ? sounds foolish. I think the writer wants to show his ignorance _ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/india/windows/windowslive/
Re: [Goanet] Tourism Minister is Touring in Court
Dear doctor, Please clarify - touring in court? Ashley D'Silva
Re: [Goanet] Rs 25 lakh prize for Goan film maker Laxmikant Shetgaonkar
Dear Goanet, Why do we wait for a certificate of appreciation from organizations from abroad? Difficult to understand? Are we groveling ? Ashley D'Silva
[Goanet] Petition: Final Draft with signatories
Petition supporting Freedom of Speech and Expression We, the following concerned citizens, express our dismay that Artists, Writers, Filmmakers, Historians and many others who pursue their creative and academic talents are time and again being harassed, intimidated and subjected to motivated campaigns of censorship by a moral brigade of extra-constitutional activists. In the recent times, it was Artist Dr Subodh Kerkar’s turn to find himself on the rough end of the stick of such activists. We wish to voice our strong protest and condemnation of such persistent assaults on the principles of freedom of speech and free expression, values that are deeply ingrained in the Indian Constitution. We urge the State to acknowledge the declaration in Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UNDHR), adopted by the UN General Assembly, on 10 December 1948, which states: Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. We believe that a true democratic society must give a pride of place to liberal values and must protect the citizens’ rights to free speech and expression. We therefore urge the State to strongly uphold and enforce the above underlying principles of free speech and expression and to take necessary suitable action in accordance to the laws of the land against those who are slaughtering the Constitutional rights of our fellow citizens. We appeal to the others who believe in these universally reinforcing liberal principles to support and endorse this petition. yours sincerely, Alfred de Tavares, Sweden Dr Anand Virgincar, U.K. Anil Rodrigues, Goa Augusto Pinto, Goa Aniruddha Sen Gupta, Goa Cecil Pinto, Goa Deepak Singh, Goa Dinesh Pai, Goa Floriano Lobo, Goa Freddy Agnelo Fernandes, U.A.E Hilary Fernandes, Goa Kalidas Sawkar, Goa Kevin Saldanha, Canada Manoj Patil, Goa Marie De Souza, Goa Marshall Mendonza, India Mervyn Lobo, Canada Milroy Goes, Goa Parag Chauhan, Goa Robin Francis D' Souza, Goa Sadashiv Shirsat, Goa Samir Kelekar, India Sandeep Heble, Goa Sanjeev Sardesai, Goa Dr Santosh Helekar, U.S.A Shekhar Dhume, Goa Shrikant Barve, Goa Venantius Pinto, U.S.A Vivek Menezes, Goa Vidhyadhar Gadgil, Goa The petition has been published as Letter of the Day in Today's edition of Herald(24th Sep)
[Goanet] 35th Tiatr competition - Kallokhi Uzvadd
35th Tiatr competition - Kallokhi Uzvadd Ok, what if I disclose you this? That JoeGoaUk is HIV positive. I am sure, at least half of you would say ‘you dirty old fellow’ All sort of dirty thoughts will cross your mind including me visiting Piccadilly brothels whilst in UK, Grant road whilst in Bombay, some massage parlours in Goa or visiting Tambdi Mati or Gandhi market or Cine Lata in Margao or the then Vasco Baina etc etc For most of us, HIV means Sex, I mean multiple sex partners Whole society will give a different look including some or your entire family members at home. HIV not necessarily means multiple sex partners. Just one time or just one mistake can lead to fatal consequences as depicted by Mr. Derrick D’ Mello in his well presented Tiatr KALLOKHI UZVADD held at Kala Academy as a part of 35th Tiatr Competition on 23rd Sept.2009 The only child Shenaya suddenly developes some sort of heart complication requiring an urgent and expensive life saving operation costing 7 lacs. Unable to raise such a big amount, the family seek help from the church but after putting together the various contribution from the parishioners the amount was coming to just over 1 lac. Seeing that no more money is coming in and the time is fast running out, Carol the Shenaya’s young aunt decides to phone and meet a rich man NRI South Africa, only to say ‘yes’ (who had earlier shown interest to marry her but kept silent as she was already into relationship with a Hindu boy Ravi). Charles (NRI) ask her to meet at Miramar. 7 Lacs? No problem says he ‘come to my bungalow’ and take the money. Where he rapes her and gives the money too. Inside the money packet, there was also a small note saying ‘Welcome to my HIV world’ and when Carol disclosed to her family that she is HIV Positive the whole family started looking at her differently without even given her chance to explain as to how she acquired it. Carol brings back the light in the family by saving her niece and she herself goes into the darkness unknowingly. Well received tiatr by the house full audience It was a presentation by Serula art and Culture Academy, Penha-de-France. Professional tiatrists were Xavier Almeida, Dolla and some child actors like Mindroy, Benzer, Sevil – who sang a trio on M Boyer- see pic UK born Gemma Fernandes too acted in the tiatr but this time a minor role –see pics Her brother Ashley Fernandes headed the band. All tiatr were supposed to start at 7 pm sharp and the PVT ad in H too says 7pm sharp but it actually started at 6.50pm. Many missed the starting part including the opening chorus. Tiatr was houseful and many had to go back home disappointed. I like one song sung by Antonette Pereira (a middleage lady, see pic) about the present day children and how they treat their elders when they grow up. And there was little but very promising Cameron (see pic) singing solo on ‘uddta to buddta’ The star of the show was smart little kid Shenaya – see pic JoeGoaUk’s best actor prize goes to her for her child role and her singing talents. In the senior category, Derrick D’Mello get’s best actor’s prize. He earned more marks as as a bad boy – see pic It looks like there are two groups this year from Penha-de France another one being Britona Dramatic Academy See the tiatr schedule here http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk-tiatr2/3911043837/sizes/o/ Some stage pics Bad boy brother, sister and Kitchen help – Com.64 http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk-tiatr2/3948559918/ Mother, son, daughter and God Child Gemma http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk-tiatr2/3947778203/ Mother/daughter at Christmas http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk-tiatr2/3947778379/ Sister Gemma of Mother Tereza order http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk-tiatr2/3947778909/ all family at one place including the would be son-in-law http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk-tiatr2/3948561626/sizes/l/ smart Kid or a fashion victim? http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk-tiatr2/3948560706/ Kids trio http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk-tiatr2/3948810664/ this one looks like ‘all kid-sisters trio’ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk-tiatr2/3948811190/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc Connect more, do more and share more with Yahoo! India Mail. Learn more. http://in.overview.mail.yahoo.com/
[Goanet] Daily Grook #523
DAILY GROOK #523 === MIST TWIST === by Francis Rodrigues sydney is deep in smog swept in from the east, it certainly isn't fog but it can't be missed! http://www.KonkaniSongBook.com Going to GOA? GREATEST KONKANI SONGBOOKsheet-music,tab, lyrics, chords, of great Konkani film pop hits, mandos. PEDRO FERNANDES: Panjim GPO; Margao Stn. Rd. Tel.2226642 FURTADOS: Panjim opp-Monginis;Margao Grace C.Tel.2223278 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=119017685910 _ We are your photos. Share us now with Windows Live Photos. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666047
[Goanet] Village Tinto Bugle, Sep 23
Having trouble reading this email? View the Tinto Bugle in your browser http://www.villagetinto.in/tintobugle/newsletter/index.php . 23 september, 2009 Goa activists cannon fodder for political ends Activism in Goa is of the short term because most are politically backed. Activists are pushed onto the streets during agitations and then left to fend for themselves, say leading activists in Goa. Read More http://www.villagetinto.in/news/goa-activists-cannon-fodder-political-ends-499 Back to top http://www.villagetinto.in/tintobugle/newsletter/index.php#top Parrikar's pickle remark and a hungry media Goa's opposition leader Mr Manohar Parrikar ruffled a few feathers in the BJP headquarters in New Delhi after he reportedly compared BJP's numero uno, L K Advani to a rancid pickle. But was it a media hungry for a story? Read More http://www.villagetinto.in/news/parrikars-pickle-remark-and-hungry-media-495 Back to top http://www.villagetinto.in/tintobugle/newsletter/index.php#top Discussion on combating sex tourism 'Friday Balcao' discussion series will be held on 25th September from 4pm. to 6pm. at Goa Desc Resource Centre. Read More http://www.villagetinto.in/events/discussion-combating-sex-tourism-498 Back to top http://www.villagetinto.in/tintobugle/newsletter/index.php#top Round 2 of Democracy Video Challenge opens On the occasion of International Day of Democracy, the US State Department announced the second round of the Democracy Video Challenge - create a video short that completes the phrase Democracy is... Read More http://www.villagetinto.in/news/round-2-democracy-video-challenge-opens-491 Back to top http://www.villagetinto.in/tintobugle/newsletter/index.php#top VILLAGE TINTO The Village Tinto is a community media initiative where diverse and divergent voices can come together on a single platform. Moulded on the format of a traditional Goan village tinto, it is open to all sections of the community - no distinctions - Left, Right or Center, any language. The Tinto is about news and current affairs, opinions, culture, art, literature, photography, video... Like the traditional tinto, visitors are free to talk about and listen to what they love. **The Power of One** It is easy for individual voices to be drowned in cyberspace, never to be heard. But when voices come together, we achieve greater amplification of individual messages - the Power of One. **Join the Community** We invite you to be a part of the community and share news from your perspective, features, opinions and multi-media content in your language. The platform would especially benefit grassroots movements, activists and bloggers to extend the reach of their message. To join the community please head to theVillage Tinto http://www.villagetinto.in/users . **Connect with us** http://www.twitter.com/villagetinto http://www.facebook.com/pages/Village-Tinto/271146640533 Village Tinto Goa. All content on this site are published under the Creative Commons Attribution License W: www.villagetinto.in | E: thed...@villagetinto.in -- If you do not want to receive any more newsletters click http://www.villagetinto.in/tintobugle/?p=unsubscribeuid=1b7748b75382f6b9da44278e97760c39 or reply to this email with Unsubscribe in the subject line Forward this message to someone, click http://www.villagetinto.in/tintobugle/?p=forwarduid=1b7748b75382f6b9da44278e97760c39mid=25 -- Powered by PHPlist, www.phplist.com --
Re: [Goanet] Frederick Noronha's GoaNet
Cecil, You make it sound like as if Fred has done a bad thing in raising goanet. He IS the person who has put in most of the grunt work in establishing Goanet as Goa's premier discussion forum. I for one salute Fred's presistence in keeping this forum going. You may call him Godfather, I call him Goanet's Patron Saint. Marlon - Original Message From: Cecil Pinto cecilpi...@gmail.com Look at Godfather. When we refer to the book we say Mario Puzo's Godfather. When we refer to the movie we say Francis Ford Coppola's Godfather. Similarly I suggest we start refering to GoaNet as Frederick Noronha's GoaNet or FN's GoaNet to avoid confusion in the years to come. No disrespect to Herman Carneiro who founded GoaNet or Bosco D'Mello who does most of the work, but we all know it is Frederick Noronha' baby finally. It is Frederick who 'raised' GoaNet and continues to nurture and protect it valiantly from real and imagined attackers. I think it will be a fitting tribute to our Frederick's effort to have GoaNet named after him. Anyone objecting to my proposal of referring to GoaNet as Frederick Noronha's GoaNet please state your objections clearly. We need not change the name or anything. Just common usage will do. Cheers! Cecil
