So it is clear that there is no such thing as a rock
solid religious moral code. The code advertised in
this forum is flexible because among many other things
there are three versions of it. Just as an example,
one version has conveniently left out the following
commandment, which is present in
--- Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
RESPONSE: I have read/heard that expression some
where...do unto others..pray, some kind soul tell me
where I may have come across the phrase? What moral
code or Religion are we referring to?
Many human beings have said it in different ways.
Perhaps,
--- Elisabeth Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Thereafter, it will become part of the rock-solid
moral code of conduct and will be disseminated via
Goanet for all Goans to religiously adhere to.
Does their rock-solid code allow them to disseminate?
Cheers,
Santosh
--- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...Hopefully this dialogue will educate the rest of
us, who may be misinformed if not ignorant of atheism
or religion. Hope this exchange will educate me and
others who may follow this thread..
Gilbert,
It is unlikely that you or
--- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you call Buddhist and Jains as atheists, then we
definitely have a semantic problem.
You would not have had a semantic problem if you knew
the meaning of the word atheist. Buddhists and Jains
are atheists because they do not believe in a
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I think the electronic voting so far shows that
Elisabeth and RKN together are speaking for 4900
Goanetters i.e. approximately 70% of the Goanet
subscribership.
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Testimony containing very serious allegations made by
unfortunate pedophilia victims was cavalierly
dismissed in this forum, ostensibly, for ideological
and emotional reasons, and the messenger viciously
attacked, as usual, instead.
The seriousness of the allegations have caused the
U.S. State
The beauty of a secular public forum like Goanet is
that any ordinary person like me can express his views
without fear and intimidation. No amount of petulant
outbursts and abusive attacks, whining and
complaining, distortions and fabrications, bombardment
with spam and hate mail, and ranting and
Please disregard the following individual's biased
opinion about my views and writings. He bears a long
standing hostility towards me.
Cheers,
Santosh
--- Joe Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Elizabeth:
Just so you know, there is tons of evidence of the
blatant abuse by the
first
It is quite possible that Gilbert is joking when he
suggests that Goan inquisition was an administrative,
judicial or police action against criminals, spies and
people with loose morals. But on the other hand, it
might be a new insight into our history. The same is
true with regard to his
--- Joe Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED], to my great delight,
copied and pasted, as usual, the following:
Santosh Helekar wrote:
On Thu Aug 14, 2003 10:39 pm
Subject: [Goanet]Satanic Verses
A lot of people, including I, would strongly object
to any censorship or ban of Satanic Verses or any
other
--- Joe Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you are asking - is it improper to pose questions
on any religion, (as a learning exercise,) my answer
would be no. However, it is improper to make
mockery of *any* religion, God/Jesus. That
constitutes clear abuse and is an indication that
such
I submit that the hackneyed notion that today's
society is spinning out of control from a moral
standpoint is not grounded in fact. Basic human
rights, civil rights, rights of women and children,
rights of the under-represented, and even rights of
other animals, are much more valued and respected
Hi Frederick,
Thanks for poking some fun at my cost. But seriously,
I think your post shows how different individual
perceptions can be. One can even make up one's own
definition of fundamentalism. Mainstream moderate
convictions can be portrayed as extremist ones by
simply redefining them
Dear Vivek,
You make very reasonable points.
One has to exercise individual restraint on all
occasions. The trouble is though that a secular public
forum has people with diverse tastes, perceptions and
backgrounds. People also hold different types of
prejudice and misunderstanding. Some might
I am glad that M. Goveia has finally agreed to expose
and counter his petulant outbursts, fabrications, etc.
Cheers,
Santosh
--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I agree with Santosh on the usefulness of
this forum since it gives even a lowly member of a
mob or a herd like myself an
--- Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When one wants to censor someone and still hold to
the high principle of opposing censorship, all one
needs to do is threaten a lawsuit against
perpetrators of hate-filled writings and those who
engage in name calling. It's an old little trick
I think we finally know the secret of this Joe Vaz
guy's good character and moral superiority over me,
and perhaps a few other Goanetters (not Gilbert).
It is his good upbringing.
So I guess it is not just me. My parents were also
morally inferior to this guy's parents. How many other
Hi Eddie,
Thanks for your courteous response to my post. Having
read your posts on Goanet and elsewhere, I knew that
you would not support somebody just because of his
religion. That is why I included this caveat in my
prior post on this thread. But this may not be the
case with others.
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for other people's
misunderstanding of my writings.
Cheers,
Santosh
--- Joe Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think it might be worthwhile to generalize
Aristo's
questions regarding religious beliefs and ask the
following question to everybody, especially
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Are people who cannot write a single paragraph on
Goanet without abusing others god-fearing? Also, is
being god-fearing considered to be opposite of being
beneath contempt?
Cheers,
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Mervyn wrote:
Cornel,
Thanks for a great post. It has opened my eyes to an
era that used to be almost pre-historic to me.
Hopefully, Peter D'souza is going to present his
views
of the same.
Indeed, Cornel's post was an excellent exposure of
bogus propaganda. It is unlikely that courteous
Gilbert,
Sorry to say this. But I think all your responses in
any thread on this and other issues stem from an
inattention to or lack of understanding of the
specifics of simple arguments. They invariably involve
substitution of adhoc idiosyncratic views and cliches,
in place of a cogent
--- Jose Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I also submit that any reasonable person would
realise that BELIEF is a purely subjective
(personal) process. Only close confidants are likely
to really KNOW what another person's BELIEF truly is.
I think Josebab makes a good point here. It is
--- Frederick \FN\ Noronha
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On the other hand, the 'Use your real name as the
sender, not an alias' rule still stands.
This rule that stands is as follows:
*Use your real name as the sender, not an alias.
*The Goanet Admin team reserves the right to ask
members for
--- Frederick \FN\ Noronha
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Santosh, That's *your* interpretation of the
rule. To my mind, it seems a very clear
re-intrepretation of the rule :-)
Frederick,
I think the rule can be made less subject to
interpretation, and unnecessary grief to people like
Vivek,
--- Jose Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I see nothing wrong with the above quoted from
Gilbert Lawrence.
All he says (in effect) is that he (Gilbert
Lawrence) would IGNORE an
atheist, as also someone who smokes, divorced, lives
a homosexual life style
or cheats on his spouse.
I find
--- Frederick \FN\ Noronha
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Santosh, I am glad that a section of Goanetters
are speaking out in favour of a stronger
interpretation of Goanet's rules.
Hi Frederick,
Thanks. Anybody who violates the rules more than 50%
of the time is a burden on the Goanet
--- Frederick \FN\ Noronha
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you guys remember the time when Herman suspended
a member, sometimes in 1996 or so? I recall though
most of us were angry with that person who got
suspended (I don't recall who it was). But after the
suspension, there was a whole lot of
--- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is the reason why I find Goanet so hilarious.
I have fallen of my chair laughing. This post
exposed the hypocrisy and the pseudo-intellectuals.
Gilbert appears to have now found refuge in
name-calling, while going through some kind of
--- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In light of what you wrote below, and your high
sounding standards you espoused for Goanet on
another thread, should you not be apologizing and
retracting your statement on me: reveals how
contemptuous and discriminatory Gilbert is?
No.
Selma,
I congratulate you on these beautiful posts of yours.
I have witnessed the transformation of many of my
older friends and relatives who had harbored bigoted
notions during my childhood. My experience has been
that most rational people are very receptive to
reason, even without the
Those who are new to internet forums should know that
such forums are frequented by curious personalities.
Here is a standard description of an internet troll,
which might be more generally applicable and might
ring a bell in your mind.
Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism
(constructive or
--- Peter D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I found the comments below at:
http://www.answers.org/apologetics/hitquote.html
They should put to rest some of the notions put
forth by the Freedom From Religion Foundation and
some agnostic Goanetters that Hitler was a devout
Roman Catholic.
I
I think ideological propaganda is unconscionable,
irresponsible and dangerous, especially in regards to
a grave public health-related issue such as this one.
Abstinence, fidelity and condoms are all very
important in preventing the spread of HIV/AIDS. The
roles played by these commonsensical
Happy anniversary!
I have nothing but the deepest gratitude to all Goanet
administrators and contributors, present and past. On
this day I especially offer my tribute to several past
contributors who do not post here anymore, and whose
posts I have thoroughly enjoyed because of their
literary
example of an ad hominem attack is the
following quote from the above post, wherein my full
name is invoked, and my statement of a simple
indisputable fact that www.answers.org is a
fundamentalist religious website is being
characterized as my throwing mud on that source:
Santosh Helekar is convincing
Can someone who lies about others and makes up fake
quotes to malign them be a Catholic in good standing?
Cheers,
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--- Frederick \FN\ Noronha
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PS: Lighten up, we all tend to take cyberspace too
seriously. Sometimes.
Sorry, Frederick. You wasted your time at writing
something that did not answer my question. I had asked
a simple question with a yes or no answer based on
some
--- Frederick \FN\ Noronha
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In our study we found that children with high birth
order, Muslim religion, those residing in rural
areas, children with low parent education and
socioeconomic status and those from high household
size had significantly low immunization
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were Santosh
Helekar and company, as the archives will abundantly
reveal.
I am surprised that this Joe is so charitable to me
this time around. But what is interesting is he only
resorts to name-calling against me here. To me it is
quite clear why he mentions my name, and is afraid to
name
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adult enough to
discern
for ourselves exactly what we want to believe. All
this defending the faith by self-appointed
crusaders, is self-serving aggrandisment at best.
Selma
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--- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I think the advent
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and rationalizations simply don't wash.
I, Santosh Helekar, must be banned from Goanet if the
administrators determine that my e-glow of pure evil
or some other infraction violates the Goanet rules.
But I think that they should grant a special exemption
from the rules to Goveia, and give him unlimited
chances
, without reading the
book that relates it. It would be illuminating if
you first studied Santosh
Helekars provocative posts, rampant incitement and
abuse documented within
the Goanet archives, before coming to his defense
and hastily jumping to
conclusions
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I think there already are some yahoogroups and cc
lists that restrict the membership and discussion to
be in strict conformity with their own ideology,
religion or political agenda. Those who are privileged
by birth, upbringing or indoctrination, to have the
door to these enclaves opened for them,
.
Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think Goanet administrators should count all the
instances of name-calling by Joe and me, and
castigate, suspend or expel the guy who has called
the
most number of names
--- On Fri, 7/18/08, Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Did I read you right, that the Greeks like Hippocrates or
Galen were not practicing and teaching what they (and we)
call scientific medicine? (see below)
Gilbert,
Yes, you read me right. Their medicine was pre-scientific. They
--- On Sun, 7/20/08, Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is a pity that Dr. Santosh Helekar, a professed
atheist/agnostic rationalist, should actually bring home
the point of what is essentially a CHRISTian
belief:REPENTENCE , not punishment, as the first
option. No one can claim
--- On Sun, 7/20/08, George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is clear from Gilbert's post above that he lacks a
mirror in the house, hence all the warts belong to others.
But Gilbert lives in a glass house. So everybody else can see what is going on
inside.
Cheers,
Santosh
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--- On Thu, 7/31/08, Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Had Reboni adopted the surname of her Goan husband, Francis would not have
even said what he wrote. Gender equality does have its hassles! ;-)
It is true that Francis would not have said what he did if her name was Reboni
--- On Fri, 8/1/08, Francis Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't believe that the umbilical cord that inexorably
links a child of Goa to its motherland, can ever be duplicated by
a non-native. It's simply a fact of life. Argue what you
will.
Hi Francis,
I would argue that the
I too was disappointed by the critique referred to by George, and also by the
infighting that is going on between all the Goan fighters and organizations. It
is hard to understand why people rely so much on pure gossip, misunderstanding
and personal bias.
Cheers,
Santosh
--- On Sat, 8/2/08,
--- On Sun, 8/3/08, Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wish to add my two cents to this debate. How come the same
individuals that take Eugene to task have not / do not
practice what they are preaching to Eugene? I hope at
least in the future, they will practice what they preach; or
Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Any religion honoring individuals as 'saints' is no different from other
scientific fields which honors those who made a major contribution to the
particular field; or fundamentally inspired others; or shifted the line of
thinking leading to a
--- On Thu, 8/7/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
***Let me correct the statement: Miracles are assessed by
scientific procedures as being extraordinary events,
beyond the reach of of physical laws.
The above statement is wrong. No scientific procedure is followed by anybody
As you can see, the procedure described below is clearly not a scientific
procedure of any kind. A committee meeting chaired by a Bishop deciding by a
2/3 majority vote whether something is unexplained or inexplicable based on
current knowledge, is possibly the farthest one can get from a
Many years ago I had written why the bureaucratic procedure of certification of
a miracle described in the post below is not a scientific procedure at all. A
modified and updated version of my write up is give below:
Simply put, any scientific procedure requires that properly blinded and
As you can see from the post quoted below, contrary to earlier claims not even
a bureaucratic committee meeting was called to certify these incredible
miracles, let alone follow any kind of genuine scientific procedure. The
supernatural claims made by an individual and her priests were accepted
I was taught that wisdom lies in not saying or making claims about what one
does not know. For example, contrary to what the post quoted below says,
physicists and cosmologists know that there indeed is chaos in the universe.
But more importantly, modern science teaches us that it is foolish
--- On Sun, 8/10/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How can it be pious fraud? Has Julia Kim done it in the
presence of so many people? Has she put hen's meat in her mouth? Is this
the scientific explanation?
I think as of January 21, 2008 Julia Kim and her followers have
--- On Sun, 8/10/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
His study confirmed that the flesh and blood were of human
origin. The flesh was unequivocally cardiac tissue, and the blood was of
type AB.
The type AB blood means that the owner of the blood was born out of the normal
--- On Sun, 8/10/08, Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bravo, Remo, Bravo!
I, too, have felt the rage Remo writes about, watching the viral degradation
of Goa at the hands of migrants, builders, land sharks, miners - all
facilitated by our politicos. What do you expect from a
Good to see this thoughtful opposition to the continuing incitement of hatred
against non-Goan Indians in all its forms. The solution to Goa's problems is
law-abiding Goans. There should be a grass roots campaign to promote honesty in
public affairs, and respect for the law, for each other, and
--- On Tue, 8/12/08, Arwin Mesquita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can you put your Anti-Goan identity views on the Goan newspapers; lets see
what Goans in Goa have to say about it? I am sure you have the addresses.
Arwin,
I have copiously expressed my views on Goanet about our many Goan
--- On Wed, 8/13/08, Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm afraid you will have to wait until the unique Goan
cows come home after copiously depositing their
their 'views' at the base of electric poles.
I guess this is an admission that there is no unique singular Goan identity.
is he
more different from Vidyadhar than from Arwin.
--- On Wed, 8/13/08, Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Santosh Helekar is here on Goanet and not on BihariNet or
AndhraNet or BongNet or TamilNet or KannadaNet for no
other reason other than he identifies himself with Goans
--- On Fri, 8/15/08, Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let me also dispose of another matter - this
jejune claim about India becoming a superpower.
Are the software supercoolies going to turn
us into one? Ha ha ha.
This biased emotional utterance is countered by the informed
--- On Fri, 8/15/08, Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a prediction for 1000 years from now - I
shall give you a 20% discount if you are interested.
Looks like you are easily impressed with Powerpoint
charts, graphs and tables. The least you could
have done is peddle the
--- On Fri, 8/15/08, Fr. Ivo C da Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
***Studies on the blood of Christ have revealed that Jesus
had only 23 chromosomes plus one for a male or the additional Y determinant
making a total of 24.
It would be interesting to find out what it would take to strain
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