* Svante Signell [2019-10-09 19:19]:
> Dear Guix, and other people signing that statement.
> cc: RMS
>
> I do also have problems with your campaign against RMS. Publishing such
> a statement as a blog entry for Guix is very inappropriate. Especially
> in the context of the recent defaming
Am 10.10.19 um 05:57 schrieb Jean Louis:
> Ludo, please step down from GNU project […]
>
> Obviously, there are people who don't trust you.
No reasons for any of the signers to step back. There are always some
guys who don't trust others.*)
Beside this I wonder what is you legitimization of
Thanks for all your past, present and future hard work to all new and
older maintainers!
This is great news!
Am 10.10.19 um 06:30 schrieb Jean Louis:
> They want take over, obviously, so they said.
[…]
> They are indirectly asking for money. GNU project is about money,
Both of these are allegation missing any backing.
I strongly suggest you stop attacking the persons on a personal level,
but instead
* Hartmut Goebel [2019-10-10 10:43]:
> Am 10.10.19 um 05:57 schrieb Jean Louis:
> > Ludo, please step down from GNU project […]
> >
> > Obviously, there are people who don't trust you.
>
> No reasons for any of the signers to step back. There are always some
> guys who don't trust others.*)
* Hartmut Goebel [2019-10-10 10:26]:
> Am 10.10.19 um 06:30 schrieb Jean Louis:
> > They want take over, obviously, so they said.
> […]
> > They are indirectly asking for money. GNU project is about money,
>
> Both of these are allegation missing any backing.
Oh, is that a principle that
Hi Ludo and Simon,
Ludovic Courtès writes:
> I’m happy to announce the first release of Guix-Jupyter!
This looks very good, even though I will probably have to rework my
reproducible-research-tutorial-with-guix tutorial now ;-)
I haven't looked at this yet in any detail, but I wonder how you
Hi Ludo and Pierre-Antoine,
Congrats for these piece of work!
To me, it is very funny that all the folks find Jupyter amazing when
it is a worse version of Org-mode (troll troll) ;-)
One example of many others, the Notebook are not human readable (I
mean, I am not fluent in JSON reading.)
Well,
Hello Guix!
I’m happy to announce the first release of Guix-Jupyter!
https://hpc.guix.info/blog/2019/10/towards-reproducible-jupyter-notebooks/
Guix-Jupyter is a Jupyter “kernel” that is able to interpret annotations
describing the environment in which notebook cells will be executed.
The end
Am 09.10.19 um 22:39 schrieb František Kučera:
> Dne 09. 10. 19 v 19:06 P napsal(a):
>> Stop spamming the list. Thanks.
>>
> If you did not want to start this discussion, you should not have
> posted that statement on the official Guix blog. You could expect what
> it would do.
"P" is not one of
Hello,
Ludovic Courtès writes:
> Hello Guix!
>
> Ricardo Wurmus and I are thrilled to announce that Marius Bakke, Maxim
> Cournoyer, and Tobias Geerinckx-Rice are joining us in maintaining Guix!
> Read more about this change and about maintaining Guix at:
>
>
Dne 10. 10. 19 v 5:45 Jean Louis napsal(a):
> * Ludovic Courtès [2019-10-07 17:41]:
>> Hi František, and welcome,
>>
>> (I’m willing to answer questions like I wrote, but if we are to have a
>> more in-depth conversation, I think we should not abuse guix-devel for
>> that.)
> Now is too late, you
Hello!
(And hi! Pierre-Antoine. :-))
zimoun skribis:
> Congrats for these piece of work!
> To me, it is very funny that all the folks find Jupyter amazing when
> it is a worse version of Org-mode (troll troll) ;-)
> One example of many others, the Notebook are not human readable (I
> mean, I
On Thu, 2019-10-10 at 10:21 +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Hello Guix!
>
> I’m happy to announce the first release of Guix-Jupyter!
>
>
> https://hpc.guix.info/blog/2019/10/towards-reproducible-jupyter-notebooks/
>
> Guix-Jupyter is a Jupyter “kernel” that is able to interpret
> annotations
Howdy!
Roel Janssen skribis:
> The animated GIFs are really useful! If I understand this correctly,
> the Guix Jupyter kernel allows one to use multiple (completely
> distinct) environments in a single Notebook. So, mix Python, R and
> Scheme in a single notebook. That's pretty neat!
Yes, I
On Tue, Oct 08, 2019 at 09:29:05PM +0200, Marius Bakke wrote:
> Guix,
>
> Now that 'core-updates' is merged (\o/), it's time to restart the
> regular 'staging' cycles.
>
> Please push your patches before Monday, October 14th. After that the
> branch will be 'frozen' and hopefully merged some
Hello,
guixest writes:
> I understand the process you explained. Btw, when is the next batch coming?
Marius suggested that we start working on it soon and try to finish it
in December:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2019-10/msg00108.html
-- Tim
Hi Ludo,
Yes, this is what I had tried. Sadly it works for all packages that I know of
except GCC. Maybe a bug?
--
Pierre Neidhardt
https://ambrevar.xyz/
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Roel Janssen skribis:
> The animated GIFs are really useful! If I understand this correctly,
> the Guix Jupyter kernel allows one to use multiple (completely
> distinct) environments in a single Notebook. So, mix Python, R and
> Scheme in a single notebook. That's pretty neat!
I’ve just
Ludovic Courtès writes:
> Hi Jean-Louis,
>
> Jean Louis skribis:
>
>> * Ricardo Wurmus [2019-10-10 07:09]:
>>> I have previously asked you privately to stop spamming our mailing
>>> lists. I am asking you a second time publicly. If you keep disrupting
>>> our mailing lists your posts will be
I have no hate against you and never had. Observe the log. You stated with
defamation and FUD, not me.
Your censorship policy is already well known. So block, I don't mind.
You are not answering with facts but bringing more and more fear, uncertainty,
and doubts into your own space and
Hi Jean-Louis,
Jean Louis skribis:
> * Ricardo Wurmus [2019-10-10 07:09]:
>> I have previously asked you privately to stop spamming our mailing
>> lists. I am asking you a second time publicly. If you keep disrupting
>> our mailing lists your posts will be moderated.
>
> I cannot expect
Jean Louis wrote:
> * Alexander Vdolainen [2019-10-09 23:13]:
> - and then within that group there is now a hostile takeover group of people
> starting with Ludovic Courtès and his "fellows" where none of them could
> answer my email to provide me with the facts about their statement. They are
Oi.
Shut up and get another audience for your monologue theater act.
I am no longer involved in guix that much, but your trash keeps
piling up in my inbox.
On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 16:29:08 +0200
Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> My sincere apologies to all the Guix people who are witnessing
> this. :-(
After initial enthusiasm, the CoC issue and the reaction to the GNU
Kind Communications Guideline already convinced me that I should better
keep a fair bit of
I'm deeply disappointed to see this. I always thought that the free
software community have strong and independent culture, and it's very
sad to see GNU maintainers, for whose work I have great respect, fall
for the moral panic that is being spread by news and social media (it is
in the interests
Hi Konrad!
Konrad Hinsen skribis:
> This looks very good, even though I will probably have to rework my
> reproducible-research-tutorial-with-guix tutorial now ;-)
Heheh. :-)
> I haven't looked at this yet in any detail, but I wonder how you deal
> with Jupyter pluging (e.g. widgets). For
I've spent a lot of time over the past few months hacking at packaging
rust crates. I've found it time-consuming, soothing and, ultimately,
likely a waste of time. When we started with the cargo-build-system the
premise was 'packages are both libraries and source, we need them in
source form to
Hi,
Pierre Neidhardt skribis:
> Yes, this is what I had tried. Sadly it works for all packages that I know of
> except GCC. Maybe a bug?
Oh, there may be confusion as to which GCC you’re targeting. That is,
the #:system argument is presumably passed to the “leaf” GCC, but not to
the ones
> Wow! Ease off a bit!
>
> You might not noticed that, but today Guix is the most vivid part of
> GNU. And I could not image an action, that might cause more damage to
> GNU project, than urging Guix lead developers to leave. Even if you
> believe that forking software over political discord is
Hey Ludo,
> Mathieu, I guess you can go ahead and rename ‘core-updates-next’ to
> ‘core-updates’ if nobody’s done it yet.
Done! We have a new core-updates branch open.
Mathieu
Hi!
Mathieu Othacehe skribis:
>> To prevent this work from rotting away, I propose that we start the
>> branch as early as next month. With luck, users will be able to
>> cross-compile Guix System for arbitrary toys come December ;-)
>>
>> Thoughts?
Let’s do that!
> Seems like a good plan :)
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Thursday, October 10, 2019 7:22 PM, Jean Louis wrote:
> > Your problem is that you published this statement to guix-devel. If you
> > don't mind, I'll forward your mail to gnu-system-discuss, which is the
> > appropriate mailing list.
>
> I don't mind.
>
>
I kindly ask to remove this statement from the Guix site. It's
inappropriate, it's poisonous for the community (you can see this
clearly now). Anyone can have their own opinion in this discussion,
but _PLEASE_ can we divide OS development and politics?
There are more appropriate places to post
Hi Stefan,
[- help-guix]
> Is Guix a political Project now?
The GNU project has always been a political project. Guix is part of
GNU.
--
Ricardo
ng0 writes [something]
Please keep the language here civil. We don’t need more anger on our
lists. If you feel frustrated, please take some time off email and (for
example) enjoy the local manifestation of autumn in your physical
environment. It is of no use to escalate by venting here.
Hi Mikhail,
Mikhail Kryshen skribis:
> I'm deeply disappointed to see this. I always thought that the free
> software community have strong and independent culture, and it's very
> sad to see GNU maintainers, for whose work I have great respect, fall
> for the moral panic that is being spread
Hello!
Efraim Flashner skribis:
> I'd like to challenge the assumption that packages are both libraries
> and source. A 'library' in rust compiles into one of three types: a
> static library (libfoo.a), a shared library (libfoo.so), or a
> 'rust-library' (libfoo.rlib).
Why don’t we create .so
> For what it is worth, I have some personal answers to some of these
> questions here:
>
> https://wingolog.org/archives/2019/10/08/thoughts-on-rms-and-gnu
I largely agree with the thoughts you have expressed in this blog
post. I think the original joint statement on the Guix blog should
On Fri, 2019-10-11 at 03:11 +0530, Arun Isaac wrote:
> > For what it is worth, I have some personal answers to some of these
> > questions here:
> >
> > https://wingolog.org/archives/2019/10/08/thoughts-on-rms-and-gnu
>
> I largely agree with the thoughts you have expressed in this blog
>
Hi Thorsten,
Thorsten Wilms skribis:
> I don't get what made you guys start Guix as GNU project, if you have
> such an issue with Stallman (which I do understand)?
GNU is not about Stallman, it’s about building a free operating system.
These are idea(l)s I and others here very much support.
I
Dne 09. 10. 19 v 10:56 Andy Wingo napsal(a):
> https://wingolog.org/archives/2019/10/08/thoughts-on-rms-and-gnu
>
> the best thing that he could do for GNU is to stop pretending to run
> things, to instead declare victory and retire to an emeritus role.
Of course, one day he will have to retire
* Ricardo Wurmus [2019-10-10 07:09]:
> I have previously asked you privately to stop spamming our mailing
> lists. I am asking you a second time publicly. If you keep disrupting
> our mailing lists your posts will be moderated.
Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or
On Thu, 2019-10-10 at 16:29 +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Hi Jean-Louis,
> You’ve made your point now; I see you’ve even set up a web page to
> collect hatred messages against me.
>
> I ask you to stop using the Guix mailing lists for this now. I will
> propose to the Guix maintainers to put
On Tue, 8 Oct 2019, Jan wrote:
On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 10:19:28 +0200
"pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" wrote:
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 10:59:41PM -0300, Wilson Bustos wrote:
Which 'behavior' are you exactly talking about?
Perhaps
P,
> And even before this incident, I've seen people say they don't want to
get into free software because of Stallman's behaviour and because people
defend him from any criticism.
So, why didn't you do anything before? why now? If it was a real issue that
would happen in before, not now.
> Don't
On Thu, 2019-10-10 at 16:32 +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Mathieu, I guess you can go ahead and rename ‘core-updates-next’ to
> ‘core-updates’ if nobody’s done it yet.
>
> Let’s get the ball rolling!
What's the status of the GNU/Hurd port with this core-updates release,
better or
Jean Louis wrote:
> How are you?
Ehm... Fine. What is the occasion to ask?
> On October 10, 2019 12:39:00 PM UTC, Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>Did you move it offlist intentionally? If not, may I resend it back?
>
> Me for sure not intentionally and Guix managers are
On October 10, 2019 8:29:06 PM UTC, Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Jean Louis wrote:
>> How are you?
>
>Ehm... Fine. What is the occasion to ask?
We are then from different cultures simply. At my side it is always used
similarly as hand shaking.
>> I [] see absolutely no
Did you move it offlist intentionally? If not, may I resend it back?
Jean Louis wrote:
> On October 10, 2019 11:39:42 AM UTC, Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>Jean Louis wrote:
>>> * Alexander Vdolainen [2019-10-09 23:13]:
>>> - and then within that group there is now a
Problem is that such statements shall be valid all including for those who
created defamatory statements on Guix.GNU.org
Guix shall be hartass-free, but it is not, it is outrageous!
Jean
How are you?
On October 10, 2019 12:39:00 PM UTC, Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Did you move it offlist intentionally? If not, may I resend it back?
Me for sure not intentionally and Guix managers are anyway conducting
censorship... So no big deal.
You can resend what you wish.
It is not harmful if Guix remains free software, how it can be?
It is only harmful for Guix.
It was not my decision, it is theirs.
On October 10, 2019 11:39:42 AM UTC, Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Jean Louis wrote:
>> * Alexander Vdolainen [2019-10-09 23:13]:
>> - and then
>Your problem is that you published this statement to guix-devel. If you
>don't mind, I'll forward your mail to gnu-system-discuss, which is the
>appropriate mailing list.
I don't mind.
Guix developers published biased and factless defamation of RMS on Guix pages.
I have told my concerns to
On Thu, 2019-10-10 at 19:22 +, Jean Louis wrote:
>
>
> > Your problem is that you published this statement to guix-devel. If
> > you don't mind, I'll forward your mail to gnu-system-discuss, which
> > is the appropriate mailing list.
>
> I don't mind.
Sorry Jean Louis, I was addressing
Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> So it really isn’t about what
> “the media” said last week or the week before.
If this is the case then the timing of this move is really very unfortunate. If
this is a decision many years in the making then it seems hard to imagine a
worse time to publicly act on
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