Re: [h-cost] Some old linen

2006-08-16 Thread Voncile W. Dudley
Great! I look forward to your email. Lady Von R. Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan Farmer wrote: braif fart Adele wrote: Isn't that that ghastly movie with Mel Gibson? Adele, I believe you owe me a new keyboard. This one has cocoa all over it. Susan: Yes, the linen has been

[h-cost] Re: illustrator vs fashion historian

2006-08-16 Thread Kahlara
Message: 3 Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:50:31 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] illustrator vs fashion historian In a message dated 8/15/2006 5:56:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Most people don't realize that what they're wearing right now, like as

[h-cost] illustrator vs fashion historian

2006-08-16 Thread Julie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, I don't criticize Kate Greenaway's work for what it isn't, rather I love it for what it is. **I must have missed the first part of this. Who is Kate Greenaway? (My personal favorite one-period-interprets-another is the early 1920s doing American

Re: [h-cost] Re: illustrator vs fashion historian

2006-08-16 Thread Carolyn Kayta Barrows
Most people don't realize that what they're wearing right now, like as they're reading this e-mail, will be considered historical 100 years from now. So I should carefully preserve this old ratty bathrobe for posterity?? Sorry, I couldn't resist! Oh yes, you really must. Think how

Re: [h-cost] Re: illustrator vs fashion historian

2006-08-16 Thread Four Quarters
Keep it, unless your posterity is hanging out the backside, *snicker* --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most people don't realize that what they're wearing right now, like as they're reading this e-mail, will be considered historical 100 years from now. So I

Re: [h-cost] illustrator vs fashion historian

2006-08-16 Thread Dawn
Most people don't realize that what they're wearing right now, like as they're reading this e-mail, will be considered historical 100 years from now. **I do. I think about what a reenactor from the future might wear to portray the turn of the century. Maybe Levis and T-shirts for

[h-cost] Lack of thread in extant garments

2006-08-16 Thread Ailith Mackintosh
Greetings. I have received a request for help: It seems that in a lot of extant garments, the protein fibers (wool and silk) have survived, while the plant fibers have not. We can only speculate that linen thread was used because there are stitching holes and no thread (and it seems unlikely

Re: [h-cost] illustrator vs fashion historian

2006-08-16 Thread Ruth Anne Baumgartner
Not so funny-- sounds like a look! It will probably show up on the runways next year --Ruth Anne Baumgartner gypsy scholar and amateur costumer p.s. Actually, now that I get to musing about this, maybe those yore costumes aren't as far off as we thinkaren't designers' models and chic

Re: [h-cost] illustrator vs fashion historian

2006-08-16 Thread Susan B. Farmer
Quoting Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED]: After looking at how some folks today build their 'historical' costumes, I expect to see 3pc suits made out of denim, My husband still has a 3-piece suit made out of denim ... My son wears it now . (but not with a grunge flannel shirt ...) Susan -

RE: [h-cost] Re: illustrator vs fashion historian

2006-08-16 Thread Abel, Cynthia
Think how much futurists will be horrified by all the polyester/nylon, and other synthetic fabricated clothing we tossed out that will still be living in landfills! Especially all the 70's polyester. Lived then. Wore that. Rule one: Don't ever buy white 70's polyester! Ever! How will they

Re: [h-cost] formula for spiral lacing

2006-08-16 Thread Zuzana Kraemerova
Now I've wondered more than 2 hours why you would need to wonder 2 hours! No one else has posted to ask about this, so I guess I will: Where was your difficulty originally, that made you come up with this formula? It sounds like the formula determines distance between holes based on the

Re: [h-cost] Lack of thread in extant garments

2006-08-16 Thread Robin Netherton
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Ailith Mackintosh wrote: It seems that in a lot of extant garments, the protein fibers (wool and silk) have survived, while the plant fibers have not. We can only speculate that linen thread was used because there are stitching holes and no thread (and it seems unlikely

Re: [h-cost] Re: illustrator vs fashion historian

2006-08-16 Thread Hope Greenberg
Abel, Cynthia wrote: And will in a century or so, be able to custom order our clothing via a Star Trek replicator? I know that one did food, but where did all the clothes come from? There had to be a clothing replicator on board. Yup, there was. That detail comes up in the original series

Re: [h-cost] formula for spiral lacing

2006-08-16 Thread Robin Netherton
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Zuzana Kraemerova wrote: But if you place holes even under the center front seam (that means the holes are in place where there is no opening any more, did I get that right?), then your method is surely easier. I actually never even thought about placing the holes

Re: [h-cost] Lack of thread in extant garments

2006-08-16 Thread Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio
This may or may not be related but in research that someone recently put up on the web after her trip to England and allowed to handle primary source material she found that if the garments had precious metal in any form on them that the metal was removed. Hope that helps. It may not have been

[h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 577

2006-08-16 Thread Kathy Page
I can give you an extant source where the linen thread DID survive - The Bocksten bog man. I have an in situ photograph of it, which is the only state it survived in. It disintegrated the moment they moved the textile. Wool sewing thread, if used in wool garments would likely full into place

Re: [h-cost] Re: illustrator vs fashion historian

2006-08-16 Thread Lauren Walker
On Aug 16, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Kahlara wrote: Most people don't realize that what they're wearing right now, like as they're reading this e-mail, will be considered historical 100 years from now. So I should carefully preserve this old ratty bathrobe for posterity?? Sorry, I

finding recent historical fabric (was Re: [h-cost] Re: illustrator vs fashion historian

2006-08-16 Thread Carolyn Kayta Barrows
Of course, what I would like is a replicator that would give me some of that 1960s velour! I wish I could find some of that stuff. It's still around. Look in thrift stores that have fabric. These won't be the clean places like Goodwill, but I'm sure, if you do thrift stores at all, you

Re: [h-cost] formula for spiral lacing

2006-08-16 Thread zelda crusher
I always thought this site said it all. http://www.festiveattyre.com/research/lacing/lacing.html Well, I make a larger distance between the holes, at least 1inch, so if I started marking the holes from the top to the bottom, in the bottom there might be an either too small or too large

[h-cost] Robin FW: Your French costume

2006-08-16 Thread otsisto
Your email address returned my reply. De -Original Message- The event is in Standing Stones/Columbia. I'm with Amlesmore but we are doing the inn and assisting as SS had a major portion of their active membership graduate/move and many are in their Highness' entourage. I am not

Re: [h-cost] Lack of thread in extant garments

2006-08-16 Thread Lena
--- Ailith Mackintosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings. I have received a request for help: It seems that in a lot of extant garments, the protein fibers (wool and silk) have survived, while the plant fibers have not. We can only speculate that linen thread was used because there

[h-cost] Re: formula for spiral lacing

2006-08-16 Thread Gail Scott Finke
Zuzana wrote: Well, I make a larger distance between the holes, at least 1inch, so if I started marking the holes from the top to the bottom, in the bottom there might be an either too small or too large distance from the center front seam. That wouldn't, I guess, look very good. So that's

Re: [h-cost] Lack of thread in extant garments

2006-08-16 Thread Robin Netherton
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio wrote: It may not have been linen but a precious metal thread and it may have been removed. Not sure how they could test for it though. I have never heard of any instances in which precious metal thread is used for structural seams. Even

Re: [h-cost] In NY City August 25th - 27th?

2006-08-16 Thread jaurbik
I live right outside of NY city, but i will be in london when your in NY, too bad, I would have looved to join mesuem trips and such. jordana - Original Message - From: Saragrace Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 14, 2006 2:03 pm Subject: [h-cost] In NY City August 25th -

[h-cost] re: favorite one-period-interprets-another

2006-08-16 Thread Cin
From: Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] (My personal favorite one-period-interprets-another is the early 1920s doing American colonial 1770s, complete with the dropped early-20s waist. I actively collect examples of this.) oooh fun topic! I'd like to offer one of our California contenders. In one of

[h-cost] thread offer

2006-08-16 Thread Dawn
I received an email this morning from someone who has some things to give away for the price of postage. I have just finished sorting and organizing all her quilting fabric, tools, books and thread. ... Do you have any suggestions as to giving away the quilting thread? In addition there is a

Re: [h-cost] re: favorite one-period-interprets-another

2006-08-16 Thread LuAnn Mason
Oh, fun. I have a Centennial Dress from the 1870's that's a really interesting take on quasi-Colonial. I'm still trying to figure out what they were doing with the flat-fronted skirt that has some really odd seams to make quasi-panniers, and the bias-wrapped elbow-triangles are a hoot. LuAnn

Re: [h-cost] Lack of thread in extant garments

2006-08-16 Thread Chiara Francesca
Button holes, that is what I was referring to more than seams. I totally misread that post then. I thought she was talking about the button holes. :( Yes, you are correct, they were couched for decoration. I also have never seen them used going through fabric or leather other than to anchor

Re: [h-cost] illustrator vs fashion historian

2006-08-16 Thread stilskin
One of the best examples of illustrator/historian I know was during a series on fashion that I have on video (remember video, those things with all the good entertainment that will not fit into a DVD player?). Karl Lagerfeld sat with a sketchbook, describing fashion changes and trends and

Re: [h-cost] Lack of thread in extant garments

2006-08-16 Thread Robin Netherton
On Wed, 16 Aug 2006, Chiara Francesca wrote: Button holes, that is what I was referring to more than seams. I totally misread that post then. I thought she was talking about the button holes. :( Yes, that would make a difference! I am certain that she could speak to this so much better

Re: [h-cost] re: favorite one-period-interprets-another

2006-08-16 Thread Carolyn Kayta Barrows
Oh, fun. I have a Centennial Dress from the 1870's that's a really interesting take on quasi-Colonial. I'm still trying to figure out what they were doing with the flat-fronted skirt that has some really odd seams to make quasi-panniers, and the bias-wrapped elbow-triangles are a hoot.

[h-cost] surviving linen [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2006-08-16 Thread Wilson, Annette
Thanks Lena for providing the quote. Quoting Museum of London: Textiles and clothing, page 2: ...surviving textiles are biased by the types of deposit in which they are preserved. They occur most frequently where anaerobic conditions prevail, along the Thames waterfront, for example, and

[h-cost] Re: Clothing replicator

2006-08-16 Thread Pierre Sandy Pettinger
At 01:00 PM 8/16/2006, you wrote: Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 13:30:37 -0400 From: Hope Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: illustrator vs fashion historian Abel, Cynthia wrote: And will in a century or so, be able to custom order our clothing via a Star Trek replicator? I know

[h-cost] Re: illustrator vs fashion historian

2006-08-16 Thread Kahlara
Message: 6 Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:56:41 -0400 From: Lauren Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: illustrator vs fashion historian On Aug 16, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Kahlara wrote: Most people don't realize that what they're wearing right now, like as they're reading this

[h-cost] SV: Thread in extant medieval garments

2006-08-16 Thread Eva Andersson
The thread in the Bocksten Bog man's costume did NOT survive. It was therefore most likely either linen or hemp, both grown in Scandinavia at the time. All the thread was gone when they found it in 1936. This can be seen from the report/book from this time Bockstensmannen och hans dräkt edited by