Hello, everyone. Robin caught something yesterday, and followed up on her
idea, and sent it on to me, and I did some following-up of my own, and it
appears that I may have been leading y'all astray.
Although I did not remember Sir John's effigy as being armored (and this is
unclear from my
There's the one I've got, from the effigy in Salisbury (dated 1380...at
least, that's when the gentleman in question died). Of course, that's on a
gentleman's cote, and not a lady's. Still, quite definitely side-laced. If
you want a copy of the photo for your collection, let me know, and I'd be
Authentic for what? (time period, basically)Knowing a bit more would
give us a better base from which to offer advice. ;o)
--Sue
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From: Serena Dyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: h-costume@mail.indra.com
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:03 AM
Subject: [h-cost] Printed Cotton
3-day weekend in the U.S. I'd imagine a lot of us are off doing family
stuff, camping, etc. I've just come back from seeing Pirates3,
myselflots of fun.
Obligatory Costume Content: I, myself, am spending a good part of the
weekend getting my garb ready for SCA tourney seasonMending,
That's a very cool website, although I find the graphics a little
distracting. Thanks for the link!
Now, I'm not a 19th century geek, but I find myself with a question about
those split drawers (truly, just odd timing g...I went to a play this
weekend that had midwestern-US-cancan-dancers in it,
Dunno about the 18th century, but there are rare surviving examples of them
from the 16th century. I suspect that it was something that came and went,
as a style.
--Sue
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To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Thanks, Sunny...those were the ones I was thinking of when I posted this
morning (the ones in _QE Unlocked_).
--Sue
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Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Split drawer's expert?
I'm neew to
My copy of the Tres Riches Heures does show that scene (one of the winter
ones), and it has not only male peasants warming themselves, but at least
one female one, as well. The anatomical differences are, uhm, pretty
obvious. ;o)
--sue in montana
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From: Kate M Bunting
We're out here, but at least one of us (me) was completely involved in
helping with a local SCA event yesterday, and just now getting caught up in
the flood of emails! ;o)
--Sue
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From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
The earliest known *dated* sampler is the Bostocke sampler at the VA, but
it's not actually the oldest sampler. There are several in my book
Embroideries and Samplers from Islamic Egypt, and they *all* significantly
predate the Bostocke sampler. Which is, nonetheless, one of my favorite
pieces
There are actually 16th century portraits out there, in which there are
clearly two *different* patterns on the two sides of a collar. It's also
obvious, from some of the construction details, that collars had both an
inside layer of fabric and an outer (I'm avoiding saying always, of
The closest that I can think of, would be this book (one of my faves):
Embroideries ans Samplers from Islamic Egypt by Marianne Ellis. (Ashmolean
Museum, University of Oxford, 2001). ISBN: 1-85444-135-3 (for the paperback
version).
It's an examination of embroidered textiles, most of which (they
*snerk*
I'd always assumed that it meant someone (gender unspecified) who was
somewhat...omnivorous in his/her tastes in partners. ;o)
--Sue, apparently pretty clueless about this one
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Frankly, I thinking working with fabrics in authentic widths would be a
blast. But then, I'm here more for the historical/reenactment end of
things. And if I ever win the lottery (not that I play, mind you, but),
then porsches be darned, I'm getting some of those exquisite silk velvets
that
I agree with you about the ruching vs. the pleating. There's definitely a
lot more color play with the ruching.
Dunno about the gold trim--it might be just right, or it might be too much.
I think it would depend on the overall scale of the gown. If it's big and
oversized, etc., etc. you could go
Nothing. Or everything. g
Okay...I don't *have* a dummy. I *am*, however, working on some early 13th
century gowns for this summer though--a couple in linen, at least one in
wool, and a gardecorps.
--Sue
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From: Cin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: h-cost [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
You do see evidence of what we now call garter stitch in the sixteenth
century, but I don't know that we have
a. any evidence that it was *called* garter stitch *in the 16th century* or
b. any evidence that it was *used* for garters at that time. ;o)
I'd have to defer to those of you who
The strapwork on the sleeves, I'm guessing. But I think it's actual
strapwork, and not smocking
--Sue
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From: Saragrace Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [h-cost]Canadian Smocking
I think you'd be better off with cloth garters. I don't know of any extant
knitted garters from the 16th century (nor any references to them, off the
top of my head).
You could make the cloth garters out of strips of fabric, or make your
own--inkle weaving or some other type of narrow ware like
influences on fashion - shoes
Was she perhaps wearing an American Girl dress, Felicity reproduction?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sue Clemenger
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 6:40 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Movie
Speaking of historical influences, when I was at brunch with friends this
past Sunday, we saw the cutest little girl (7 or 8), wearing the most
adorable child's version of an 18th century gown, complete with petticoat.
The rest of the family was in ordinary good clothes, and she was in her
best
I've met you, and I wouldn't have known it was you, either, from the
photographs!
--Sue, who'd love to go to one of these things some day
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From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 8:23 AM
I've seen both terms used, so neither statement strikes me as particularly
jarring. Feel comes off a little more, uhm, casual? colloquial? while
hand sounds a bit more inclusive. Although it may just be my reading of
the words, I'd think of feel as more of a texture reference, while hand
is
sigh, drool, drool, indeed! I think I'm in love!
--Sue, craving the blue/yellow lampas weaveonly $240/yd.
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From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 1:35 PM
Subject: [h-cost] rich man
If i were a
I'm guessing that it refers to threads twisted/plied to the left, or
counter-clockwise. That would make them S-twist, I think.
--Sue, who had to pretend-ply to figure it out ;o)
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From: Cynthia J Ley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 14,
Welcome back!
I've seen stuff on leading strings in one of my (very few) books on 18th
century costuming for reenactors, but nothing for earlier time periods,
outside of those embroidered bands in the book on the embroidery of Mary
Stuart.
There was a recent thread concerning children's clothing
ProbablyI don't do gentleman's clothing (or 18th century, although I
dream of some day having a gown or two), but I'd think that the silk knit
would do fine. I know that, during the period about which I know the most
(16th c. England), there were both knitted and woven-cloth hose, so if I
Well, Harper's, but that's not an inspiration-source for
costuming/needlework, etc., so I'd have to say I really enjoy the following:
Piecework (especially the older ones)
SpinOff
Handwoven
and Knitty (which is electronic format)
Threads is good, too, but I don't have too much of a use for that
I'd think so, Bjarnethe handkerchief linen I use for shifts and veils
is 3.1 oz, and it's fairly light. A little more substantial than my ideal
(for handkerchief linen), but considered lightweight, nonetheless.
--Sue in Montana
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From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL
Alcega? ;o)
Seriously, though, if you're thinking regular commercial pattern, I really
haven't seen anything out there that might qualify as a pattern for academic
robes. Doesn't mean it's not out there, just that I, myself, haven't seen
it.
Good luck, though, and congrats on graduating!
--Sue
Something in an English style, or something (an accessory?) associated
especially strongly with the English?
--Sue
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From: Kate Pinner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Historical Costume' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 4:08 PM
Subject: [h-cost] anglaise??
I'm American, as well, and, like Patty, always thought of ultramarine as a
slightly greenish darkish blue (like a bright navy with a hint of green to
it). If I remember to put aubergine through my mental translation
program, and think oh, yeah...that's equivalent to eggplant, I wouldn't
think of
She actually spammed a bunch of lists I'm on with this, and I don't know
that *any* of them were exclusively SCA
I'd have just deleted them, but I get those lists as digests
--Sue, working on ideas for weaving her own belt for a Norman gown
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From: Diana
That is very cool! It reminds me a *lot* of the stuff that Bjarne does!
--Sue
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From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:44 AM
Subject: [h-cost] man's coat
Thought some would like to see this.
I've got a photocopy in my stash somewhere
--Sue, blissfully lucky to know some *very* good librarians;o)
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From: Catherine Kinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:04 PM
Subject: [h-cost] Re: Help finding an article?
Thanks for the reminder on the terminology g. It's awkward sometimes,
switching back and forth between terms used in a given period, and terms
used now, let alone oddities like garb that are subgroup specific. ;o)
What I've been finding, graphically, certainly supports what you're saying.
I'm
I'm in the early stages of thinking about undertaking a houp...like, in a
year or so, predicated, of course, on the theory that I'll actually have
built the correct garments to go *underneath* by then! ;o) I've been
wondering, though...when did they first start showing up as being worn by
women?
Hope this is okayH-costume being the only relatively-general costume
list I'm on.
Has anyone out there ever done anything with the costumes from either the
movie or the series? For some reason, the recent thread about hall costumes
for CostumeCon, combined with a recent Serenity marathon, has
That sounds like it would be an eye-watering match to my
long-planned-never-made Tequila Sunrise fitted gown. Hot pink/fuchsia
wool gown (lined in matching hot pink linen), with a surcoat in tangerine
orange velvet. I believe I have enough fuchsia-purple to do an optional
overgown, if'n I
Try Fire Mountain Gems, maybe? They're in Oregon, but I know that they do
mail order
--Sue
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From: Catherine Olanich Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] The bead-net dress
I haven't heard of the Egyptian piled fabric, but as far as I know, velvet
was invented well *after* the Viking Age, so no velvet Viking poofy pants!
;oD
--Sue
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From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007
I do remember, although mostly I remember you talking about silk fabric and
how it works with the whole GFD engineering ideas. You actually showed us
a couple of different ones, including one that was wool in some sort of
diamond pattern? (foggy memory on the details).
--Sue, who is going to be
See, for me, it wouldn't have been convincing at all, given the (to me)
obvious visual clues. We'll all pick up on different things, depending on
our levels of interest/expertise, etc. I'm betting that most people in the
intended audience of the movies discussed earlier in the thread would have
Did I *ever* say, or intimate that Egyptians were primitive? Huh? Wherever
did you get *that* idea? I asked if there was any evidence of *linens* being
dyed *at that time.* Linens are notoriously difficult to dye using natural
dyes.
Good grief.
--Sue
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From:
You mean nalbinding? I don't believe there's any evidence of it being used
for larger items of clothing, such as dresses. I know of socks, and a hat.
No dresses.
--Sue
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From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
DunnoI've always heard them referred to in informal terms--coffee filter
hat, pie-crust hat, etc., depending on the particular style. You might look
at the hat section in Cynthia Virtue's website--I recall seeing hat-ish
stuff there in the past.
--Sue
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From: Julie
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To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] movie costumes
On Jan 2, 2007, at 5:00 AM, Sue Clemenger wrote:
Not if what she was wearing was obviously knitted. That's a humongous
boo-boo, right there. Also, the color
I have a question for you 19th century types, born out of completely idle
curiosity. This Christmas, I was given a lovely bracelet comprising
different buttons from the 1870s. They are all about 1/2 inch in diameter,
and have surprisingly complex and lovely designs in them. They are made of
cut
Not if what she was wearing was obviously knitted. That's a humongous
boo-boo, right there. Also, the color of the gown sounds really wrong--is
there any evidence of linens being dyed in Egypt at that time?
--Sue
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Hmmma nifty place to stop at, if I ever get stuck visiting
relatives(my Mom grew up in Bridgeport.)
--Sue
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From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost]
Okay, with a hint like that, you just gotta tell us what the dye substance
was, or we'll just *DIE* of curiosity! ;o)
--Sue
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From: Genie Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost]
Cool! I've wanted to do a fermented indigo vat, at least one version of
that involving a similar substance, but don't have the space/place for it,
given the odiferous results. I live in a house chopped up into apartments,
and I'm pretty sure the neighbors wouldn't care for it! ;o)
I haven't
If I recall correctly, through the mists of time and cold medicine ;o), I
remember you pointing out (at the workshop in Boise) that the different
silhouettes we were coming up with during the fittings were appropriate to
different decades/time periods. The one I got, which was a smoother,
(also whispering)
Me, either...so you're not alone
--Sue, ignoring the enormous pile of packages she needs to wrap
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From: Dianne Greg Stucki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 2:52 PM
Subject: RE:
It sounds like she's asking for fabric that's specially woven for use in
Hardanger embroidery (the pairs of threads is a good give-away). Depending
on where you are located, you should be able to find it in packets at your
local Michael's or JoAnn's. Come to think of it, I think my local JoAnn's
Which that sound is it making?
And Happy Chanukah, by the wayWhen my gift arrives, I'm going to save it
until the 21st (Yule).
--Sue
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From: Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historic Costume List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 12:28 PM
Au contraire! There's a huge amount of difference between the two--just ask
any skilled spinner, and many weavers and knitters as well. The original
processing of the fiber is different, the spinning methods are different,
the end results are different. Fineness has little to do with it--I'm
Nope. In my defense, I not only have the IRS on my butt about not filing my
2000 tax return, but I just finished collecting 2 years' worth of financial
information for a review of the books for my local SCA group. I haven't had
time to do much more than blink, feed the cats, and sleep.
The thing
I didn't get any all weekend, and then a whole bunch of them all this
evening (after 5 p.m.), starting back from Friday morning. Must have been
some sort of glitch, although I'd just figured it had been a quiet
weekend
--Sue
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From: Katy Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
is
another Italian example. I'm sure there are more out there, but as I said,
anything not 16thc Venetian or Italian is not my forte. :-)
Bella
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From: Sue Clemenger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What about the occasional stripes showing up in the Manesse Codex?
There's also
Not offended at all! Some of us native English speakers assumed it was a
pun--a play on words, exploring the similar spellings/sounds and different
meanings between the two words transvestite and travesty.
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From: Deredere Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical
What about the occasional stripes showing up in the Manesse Codex?
There's also that picture of Beatrice Sforza, and it's clearly striped
(black and white, IIRC). Okay, so she's Italian, but she wasn't Venetian.
--Sue
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From: Bella [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical
Boy, those are really narrow stripes, aren't they? I've never seen such a
nice, large image of this painting before, so I've never noticed them.
I've seen stripes show up occasionally in other Italian dresses in the 16th
century, and even earlier, so they're definitely not unknown, and not all
are
The fishes did evil grin, but not the clothing afaik!
--Sue
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] What's your dressmakers dummy wearing?
In a message dated 12/2/2006 12:22:47 P.M. Eastern
I don't have a dressmaker's dummy, unless it's me g. My costume/clothing
project du jour, though, is an interpretation of a 12th? century depiction
of Philosophy. She wears a mid-calf outer gown with a fabric patterned in
diamond shapes; it has modestly-wide, full-length sleeves, and does not
I've been making those, too, this year. Have a few in a big pile of linen
and wool on my kitchen table, as a matter of fact. g Ahh, the advantages
of living alone! ;o)
--Sue
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From: Catherine Olanich Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now, that is one *seriously* cool portrait, and not one I've seen before!
Those undersleeves *rock!*
I like the hint of an undergown in the corners of her neckline
It'd definitely be a fun outfit to do, if I ever get back to the 16th
century
--Sue
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From: E House
image
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From: Sue Clemenger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now, that is one *seriously* cool portrait, and not one I've seen
before!
Those undersleeves *rock!*
I like the hint of an undergown in the corners of her neckline
See, this is why I love this particular stretch
Hi, Bjarne! The transparency sounds like something your new linen fabric
shares with the silk gauze, but what about linen's tendency to ravel
fiercely? I'd imagine you sure could use it for trimmings, but you'd
probably have to hem all the bits and such, instead of pinking the edges.
Of course,
I've got a little, tiny sample of it, but it came as part of a class kit for
an online class that Drea taught through Penny's Costume Classroom several
years ago
It looks like a midpoint between cotton velveteen and cotton upholstery
velvet
--Sue
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From: [EMAIL
I have the remnants (carefully hoarded) of two bolts of a cotton/linen blend
that has a thread count of roughly 60/inch. Better, it's evenweave, same
count in both directions. It is, too date (after almost 20 years in the
SCA) the finest linen or linen approximation I have personally seen for
I didn't have a chance to look at it last night, Michaela, but it is very,
very cool! ;o) I don't think I've seen a costume of yours yet that doesn't
make my jaw just drop! I don't think you're afraid to try anything!
I wouldn't worry about discussing the rest of it overly much--wouldn't be
the
It also works to kill wasps and yellow jackets. Completely OT, I know, but
I just *had* to share! I really hate those buggers.
I have very slippery, fine hair as well, and decently long (mostly about
bra-strap length...it just won't grow much further), but not in any great
quantity, alas.
Maybe something of the same chemical reaction as when dyeing with woad or
indigo?
My book on Red Dyes: Cochineal, Madder and Murex Purple, notes a number of
things regarding the use of mollusk secretions as a dye stuff. There are,
for instance, several types of mollusks used for this, and they
that taking me a couple days, including cutting of course, so that
would bring my price, just for labor, up to $400.I don' think the
asking price is unreasonable. My garments are quite well made, though,
and fully lined if necessary.
Sylrog
On Nov 12, 2006, at 10:51 PM, Sue Clemenger wrote
.
Lady Von
Sue Clemenger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With a serger? Couple of hours, tops. Of course, I could build a
complete
tent in a couple of hours, when I did it for a living. Now I deal with
maps
and data bases and school buses, thank goodness, and get to do my sewing
for
fun.
--Sue
. I realize sewing and serging in one step cuts out
a lot of extra time.
SYlrog
On Nov 13, 2006, at 7:39 PM, Sue Clemenger wrote:
I wasn't including cutting time in that estimate--I was thinking in
more
industrial/mass quantity terms. If you're doing a whole bunch of that
sort
This isn't my time frame, either, but what does pop up into my brain, for
some reason, is shark skin suits. Could the connotation be similar for
porpoise skin?
--Sue
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From: Kimiko Small [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November
Gores themselves? Certainly, although not necessarily placed in the manner
depicted.
Gores made of a contrasting fabric? Not that I know of. I've seen this
particular fashion error show up at an occasional SCA event, but not very
often. I'm not sure of its point of origin, but I'm pretty darned
Interesting, that you liked it. It made my eyes bleed, and the
authenticity-nut part of me back up hissing and spitting. I was also pretty
taken aback by the price (starting at 350 pounds??? Wowser!).
I guess our respective mileages are varying greatly on this one, huh? ;oD
--sue in montana
Personally, I wouldn't touch it if it were mailed to me, free. And sure not
for several hundred dollars. I've seen some seriously tacky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
aimed at
the non-sewing SCA crowd (and, I assume at other non-sewing
reenactors/hobbyists of relatively same time frame and required
With a serger? Couple of hours, tops. Of course, I could build a complete
tent in a couple of hours, when I did it for a living. Now I deal with maps
and data bases and school buses, thank goodness, and get to do my sewing for
fun.
--Sue in Montana, not Susan in TN ;o)
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Oh, Elizabeth! That is so very funny! ;oD Especially since I'm sort of built
like a very large, very short Valkerie anyway. Dear god, but I'm laughing
at the idea of my chest in a brass bra set up! I'll have to remember it
for next year! This year, though, I don't have time to come up with
Cute bunny! And *fierce* pumpkin face! ;oD
You have a good one, too!
--Sue, who's going to work on Tuesday as a 10th century Norse woman
(okay...I'm lazy this year...it's SCA garb g)
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From: Deredere Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Me, too? I'll send it tonight, in case I'm squeeking under the wire
--Sue
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From: Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dawn--
What I'd heard/read, was that the strains of flax that produced those
ultra-fine threads went extinct about the time of WWI.
Maybe it's demand, I don't know. Technology may also be a factor, although
I'd think that if it were just a matter of hand-spun vs machine-spun,
someone would have tried it
You can certainly get linen lace, and linen threads. It's the *fineness* of
the linen threads used then, that can't be duplicated now. In linen. So
you've either got to use a thicker linen, or use a fine thread, but in a
different fiber/material. Even when using another plant-based fiber (such
Paisley mini dresses, sure, but not Madonna or Flashdance or Cyndi!
--Sue
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From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: [h-cost] was: recent history now: 80's looks
Ummm... that is
Did they say how much of her dress was covered? I just assumed the upper
chest (which is sometimes covered by the veils/whatever about which you and
I are talking), and I'm pretty sure that the dress styles included ones with
a pretty high neckline. Of course, it's been a while since I looked at
Not that I'm aware of (speaking strictly for myself at this point). I've
had that problem with other lists in the past, thoughIf it's really
wide-spread, it can definitely be a hang-up or glitch on the list server,
but most of the time, it seems to be issues with a person's ISP
good
Actually, it sounds like they're talking about a distinct style that I've
seen in lots of ItalianRen paintings, although usually a little more
obviously in view. They look (to my fading memory) like an early cross
between a fichu and a partlet
--Sue
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From: Audrey
IMNSHO, the entire movie was having a bad day. Llamas, for cris' sake...the
animals are native to South America, not the Mediterranean!
--sue
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Bad historical
Mine, either (well, at least not the one I knew...I think that man was
*born* in a 3-piece suit!)
I haven't seen any of these Deadwood episodes, so I'm not exactly sure which
phrases y'all are trying to skate genteelly around, but it occurs to me that
maybe, in what seems to have been a concerted
tended to use it that much back then.
On Sep 24, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Sue Clemenger wrote:
Mine, either (well, at least not the one I knew...I think that man was
*born* in a 3-piece suit!)
I haven't seen any of these Deadwood episodes, so I'm not exactly sure
which
phrases y'all are trying
I'm sorry, but I don't know enough about 15th century fashion to be able to
help much with anything specific.
One thing I did notice, however (and this is pre-breakfast tea, so take it
for what it's worth...g). The painting is from a specific area of the
continent (Netherlands, yes?). What
Also depends on cost of materials, I'd think. Good quality fabrics, beads,
trims could get really expensive, really fast. I strongly suspect that the
outfit is more along the lines of a couture-level costume, rather than a
cheesy, cotton-broadcloth Elizabethan equivalent of a prom dress from
20% Nylon? Well, crap
I was excited, too, but hadn't had time yet to check it out. Bummer.
--Sue, looking for some wool for an early-Medieval clothing item
(gardecorps)
- Original Message -
From: Linda Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Historical Costume' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
I've got some lovely, lovely flannel, purchased earlier this summer from
Pastiche, but was looking for a few more yards for a 13th century project,
and then some wool that's in between flannel and melton, weight-wise. I
want it for an outer garment (the gardecorps), but I don't want it so stiff
I got mine. It looks very thorough! ;o) I was showing it to another (SCA)
friend, and she was drooling at your biblio!
Well done!
--Sue
- Original Message -
From: Chiara Francesca Arianna d'Onofrio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006
I used their patterns a lot, when I was first starting out in the SCA, but
that was many (mumblety) years ago, so I've forgotten some of the specifics.
I settled into 16th century England rather firmly after that, although in
the last few years, I've been dabbling with Early Medieval stuff.
As it
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