Re: [Hardhats-members] Fortune Magazine article on VistA

2006-05-17 Thread Ben Mehling
On 5/15/06, Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doesn't opensource+proprietary=proprietary?Hi Kevin-I'm not sure I understand the question. Surely you aren't suggesting that because certain interfaces provided by 3rd party software vendors are proprietary, that the entire solution is thus

Re: [Hardhats-members] User interfaces

2006-05-17 Thread JohnLeoZ
God bless the lurkers. :-) Interesting first post, James. You never know who is lurking here. But it gives hope for our expanding future. jlz James Abbott wrote: ... My main job, however, is working with AHLTA (the DoD EMR), and serving as a functional representative in the design process.

Re: [Hardhats-members] Fortune Magazine article on VistA

2006-05-17 Thread Theodore Ruegsegger
On 5/17/06, Ben Mehling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These vendors (who, by the way, were wonderful to work with) should not be slighted because they choose to market and support commercial software. I think that's a typo--by now we all know that commercial isn't synonymous with proprietary. But

Re: [Hardhats-members] removal from mailing list

2006-05-17 Thread K.S. Bhaskar
Venkata -- You can visit https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hardhats-members and remove yourself from the list. Regards -- Bhaskar Venkata KR Bodavula wrote: please remove me from mailing list venkata

Re: [Hardhats-members] Moving the hardhats list to Google groups

2006-05-17 Thread Maury Pepper
I'm in favor of moving because sourceforge has had chronic performance problems. The problem that occurred over the past several days is just the latest of many similar episodes. - Original Message - From: K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net;

Re: [Hardhats-members] Moving the hardhats list to Google groups

2006-05-17 Thread Mike Schrom
If you search Google groups for 'vista', the proper link doesn't come up in the first 75 pages! (I ran out of patience). You get plenty of 'windows vista', and links for a gps device from Garmin, as well as words in spanish and italian. Mike - As a Google group, VistA will be more

Re: [Hardhats-members] 13th VistA Community Conference

2006-05-17 Thread Theodore Ruegsegger
I was dismayed to find that the special $92 rate at the Doubletree hotel doesn't include Tuesday, 27th June. This means those of us wishing to attend the MUMPS tutorial on Wednesday would need to find some other place to stay Tuesday night, since it's unlikely we could fly in to Pittsburgh

[Hardhats-members] Pittsburgh Conference registration

2006-05-17 Thread Colin Smith
If anyone has probems registering for the Pittsburgh Conference could you let myself and Maury know straight away. Many thanks Colin Smith --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly

Re: [Hardhats-members] Moving the hardhats list to Google groups

2006-05-17 Thread chuck5566
Why not change the Google group name? 'WorldVistA', maybe? On May 17, 2006, at 10:15 AM, K.S. Bhaskar wrote: Discussions of our VistA will always be dwarfed by discussions of Microsoft VistA. We're a mouse in the elephant exhibit, and the fact that we were there first doesn't change the

Re: [Hardhats-members] 13th VistA Community Conference

2006-05-17 Thread Theodore Ruegsegger
I called the Doubletree directly at 412-329-1400 and they cheerfully gave me the $92 rate for Tuesday through Sunday. I also told them that the web registration wasn't doing that, so perhaps they'll fix it. Ted --- Using Tomcat but need to do

RE: [Hardhats-members] Problem in open vista

2006-05-17 Thread Cameron Schlehuber
You must have an entry in the OUTPATIENT SITE file with the IB SERVICE/SECTION field filled in (to PHARMACY). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kiran pappu Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 11:14 PM To: hard Subject: [Hardhats-members] Problem in

Re: [Hardhats-members] Moving the hardhats list to Google groups

2006-05-17 Thread Nancy Anthracite
There are many more than just WorldVistA folks on this list, and it is the Hardhats who have been kind enough to put up with the whole load of us joining the mailing list. On Wednesday 17 May 2006 11:41, chuck5566 wrote: Why not change the Google group name? 'WorldVistA', maybe? On May 17,

Re: [Hardhats-members] Moving the hardhats list to Google groups

2006-05-17 Thread Nancy Anthracite
It may not be just Hardhats. I just got a Circuit City ad saying It's Mother Day Today. On Wednesday 17 May 2006 12:22, Nancy Anthracite wrote: There are many more than just WorldVistA folks on this list, and it is the Hardhats who have been kind enough to put up with the whole load of us

Re: [Hardhats-members] Moving the hardhats list to Google groups

2006-05-17 Thread K.S. Bhaskar
My attempt to post to both lists - Source Forge and Google - failed. Anyay, below is my reply to Chuck. Regards -- Bhaskar K.S. Bhaskar wrote: That would be appropriate if it were a WorldVistA thing. It's not. Indeed, in proposing such a move, I am speaking only as K.S. Bhaskar, individual,

Re: [Hardhats-members] User interfaces

2006-05-17 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
On 5/16/06, James Abbott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good afternoon all. ... It is an interesting process, and it leads to one overwhelming conclusion: Users don't know what they want. It amazes me how users will ask for things and be so convinced that it will make everything 'better' if they

Re: [Hardhats-members] Moving the hardhats list to Google groups

2006-05-17 Thread Greg Woodhouse
--- Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It may not be just Hardhats. I just got a Circuit City ad saying It's Mother Day Today. Maybe they didn't make enough money from the first one. === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with you.

Re: [Hardhats-members] Moving the hardhats list to Google groups

2006-05-17 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
I vote for moving. Kevin On 5/17/06, K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While Mailman on Source Forge now appears to be in a state of convalescence, I wonder if the time has come to move the hardhats mailing list to a host better able to accommodate it, in this case the vista group at

Re: [Hardhats-members] Fortune Magazine article on VistA

2006-05-17 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
On 5/17/06, Joseph Dal Molin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben, You are correct in saying that Kevin's equation is incorrect..according to the 9th OSI criteria, open source licenses must not insist that all other programs distributed on the same medium must be open-source software. I am no expert

RE: [Hardhats-members] Moving the hardhats list to Google groups

2006-05-17 Thread Cameron Schlehuber
Any consideration being given to moving to MailMan on OpenFORUM? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Toppenberg Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:16 AM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] Moving the

Re: [Hardhats-members] DINUM-ish question

2006-05-17 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
This seems like the best answer. I'll try it. Thanks Kevin On 5/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, why not let Fileman creat the entry for you using FILE^DICN, this way you get the IEN you need passed bay to you for use in your DBS call(s). - Original Message -

Re: [Hardhats-members] DINUM-ish question

2006-05-17 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Actually, FILE^DICN also wants a value for .01 field, which we established is a request for the new records IEN. And I don't know what that should be without looking it up. So I don't see how this will help me. I am justing going to $order(^PSNDF(50.67,INDEX),-1) until I get a numeric value.

Re: [Hardhats-members] Fortune Magazine article on VistA

2006-05-17 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
I guess I was thinking of the VistA Imaging package that depends on a commercial plug-in. The rest of the package is open-source, but none of us can use it without purchasing that $1000 commercial part. So in that case opensource + propietary(commercial) = proprietary(commercial). So with

Re: [Hardhats-members] Moving the hardhats list to Google groups

2006-05-17 Thread K.S. Bhaskar
David -- Earlier this year, I moved my personal e-mail, bhaskar at bhaskars dot com to Gmail, and I find it very usable. On the web based access, the advertising is on the right of the screen, as it is with their standard user interfaces. With POP access, I confess I haven't noticed their

Re: [Hardhats-members] Fortune Magazine article on VistA

2006-05-17 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
On 5/17/06, Cameron Schlehuber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... While GPL'ed code does not equate directly to open source, I think a logical case can be made for being able to mix open source and proprietary code in the proper manner and not cause one to become the other. OK. I stand corrected.

Re: [Hardhats-members] User interfaces

2006-05-17 Thread Marianne Susaanti Follingstad
I'd like to second the comments made below. One of the things I loved about working with MUMPS and FileMan/Kernel as a developer was the speed with which I could prototype things and then have a feedback loop with the users to more reasonably assure that they got what they needed, not what they

Re: [Hardhats-members] Fortune Magazine article on VistA

2006-05-17 Thread K.S. Bhaskar
Cameron -- It's just *not fair* of you to go back and actually *read* all that complicated legalese in the GPL and inject rational and reasonable words to put out a potential flame war even before one starts!!! Can you imagine how the spectators in the Roman Coliseum must have felt when

RE: [Hardhats-members] Moving the hardhats list to Google groups

2006-05-17 Thread Greg Woodhouse
--- Cameron Schlehuber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those capabilities existed earlier, but I just tried again to use the system with no success :( I haven't had any such problems. Does your return address match th delivery address? === Gregory Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Metaphors be with

Re: [Hardhats-members] Moving the hardhats list to Google groups

2006-05-17 Thread Nancy Anthracite
Cool! I never knew it could do it at all, so that is a good sign. It is on the same server as the wiki, because that would explain what happened to it. On Wednesday 17 May 2006 15:45, Cameron Schlehuber wrote: Those capabilities existed earlier, but I just tried again to use the system with no

Re: [Hardhats-members] DINUM-ish question

2006-05-17 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
According to the Fileman reference manual, the 3rd piece is most recently assigned internal entry number and the 4th piece is the current total number of entries If there had been a deletion and addition into the middle of the file your method wouldn't work. For example, if the entries were:

RE: [Hardhats-members] Moving the hardhats list to Google groups

2006-05-17 Thread Jim Self
Cameron wrote Those capabilities existed earlier, but I just tried again to use the system with no success :( Was that on openforum.worldvista.org? That doesn't seem to be responding to any web requests now for either the wiki or m2web. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Hardhats-members] question about adding patients

2006-05-17 Thread JohnLeoZ
FileMan includes a Data Import function that allows a wide variety of import formats. (Comma delimited, tab delimited, ^ delimited, fixed length fields are all supported.) It takes a bit of work to know which fields you are dealing with. If you can create a tab delimited file of legacy data,

Re: [Hardhats-members] Moving the hardhats list to Google groups

2006-05-17 Thread chuck5566
Goodness gwacious me! - Elmer Fudd I guess I should have explained myself. Bhaskar's original post suggesting a move to Google seemed to me to imply a name change in the process: from Hardhat-members (at Sourceforge) to vista (at Google). My suggestion to change

Re: [Hardhats-members] Moving the hardhats list to Google groups

2006-05-17 Thread Greg Kreis
The Hardhats volunteers are monitoring this thread. We have been discussing some ideas and will be forthcoming with a suggestion soon. Meanwhile, let's hear from others Nancy Anthracite wrote: I don't think Hardhats has a particularly wide reputation, but in my experience, it does

[Hardhats-members] Fortune Magazine article on VistA

2006-05-17 Thread Ben Mehling
On 5/17/06, Joseph Dal Molin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are correct in saying that Kevin's equation is incorrect..My assumption was, based on the terseness of the reply, that I misunderstood the statement. I was asking for clarification of Kevin's question -- I may have jumped too quickly to