Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: System.Random StdGen read fails on some strings? [also continues: Random/StdGen/read: there is something unclear (or misunderstood!)]

2007-03-19 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
On 3/19/07, Simon Peyton-Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zara Good point. It's a bit stupid that 'read' fails utterly on strings shorter than 6. I don't thin StdRandom has an owner at the moment. There's a process for proposing library changes, described under guidelines for developers here

Re: slight difference in strictness between -O0 and -O

2007-03-13 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
On 3/12/07, Kirsten Chevalier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/12/07, Kirsten Chevalier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/12/07, Albert Y. C. Lai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: main = print (map (const 'x') (take 1 (undefined:undefined))) In ghci, or with ghc -O0, this produces x. With ghc -O

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Random/StdGen/read: there is something unclear (or misunderstood!)

2007-03-13 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
This does seem to be a bug; see: http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/libraries/2007-March/007034.html (from a few minutes ago) Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt and the things I'm working on are invisible to everyone--Meg Hutchinson

Re: slight difference in strictness between -O0 and -O

2007-03-12 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
On 3/12/07, Albert Y. C. Lai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: main = print (map (const 'x') (take 1 (undefined:undefined))) In ghci, or with ghc -O0, this produces x. With ghc -O, this produces Prelude.undefined. What version of ghc? Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often

Re: slight difference in strictness between -O0 and -O

2007-03-12 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
On 3/12/07, Kirsten Chevalier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/12/07, Albert Y. C. Lai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: main = print (map (const 'x') (take 1 (undefined:undefined))) In ghci, or with ghc -O0, this produces x. With ghc -O, this produces Prelude.undefined. What version of ghc? I

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Recursion

2007-03-06 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
be overkill, but since you didn't say why you wanted to know, I assume you're just curious. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Instant gratification takes too long.--Carrie Fisher ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Haskell for Accessibility

2007-03-06 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
-based input for programming environments. I haven't actually used Harmonia myself, but I know some of the people who've been involved, and as a fellow RSI sufferer, I'd also love to see these tools get wider exposure. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never

Re: [Haskell-cafe] LGPL libraries

2007-03-05 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt I haven't got the slightest idea how to change people, but still I keep a long list of prospective candidates just in case I should ever figure it out. --David Sedaris

[Haskell-cafe] Re: [Haskell] [Fwd: Re: Computer Language Shootout]

2007-02-26 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
currently fail to do? Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Religion is just a fancy word for the Stockholm Syndrome. -- lj user=pure_agnostic ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Delaling with State StateT and IO in the same function

2007-02-26 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
AlfonsoM s = StateT s IO () and then everywhere you write (StateT s IO ()) now, you could write (AlfonsoM s) instead. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt ...People who mind their own business die of boredom at thirty.--Robertson Davies

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Delaling with State StateT and IO in the same function

2007-02-26 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
On 2/26/07, Alfonso Acosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/27/07, Kirsten Chevalier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I may be missing something, but why are you using both State and StateT? Maybe I don't understand your code, but it seems like you could be using StateT everywhere you're currently

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Splitting Hairs Over Terminology

2007-02-26 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
of syntactic sugar that means a construct that can be defined in terms of other language constructs, while is syntactic sugar in C. Not sure what the original point was, though. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Are you aware that rushing toward

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Splitting Hairs Over Terminology

2007-02-26 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
because you don't need to worry about what it means; you just need to know how to mentally translate it into applications of cons and nil, and you already know what those means. Indeed, Haskell compilers are based on that same principle. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often

Re: [Haskell] cabal-upload build problem

2007-02-19 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
-- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Dare to be naive.--R. Buckminster Fuller ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users

Re: compiler bug

2007-02-17 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
version. Is there any reason why you can't download and install GHC 6.6? There should be a debian package for 6.6. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Ana Ng and I are getting old and we still haven't walked in the glow of each other's majestic

Re: [Haskell-cafe] new member

2007-02-16 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
on Haskell programming and not so much the underlying theory. comp.lang.functional on Usenet would probably be a good place. Or the fora on Lambda the Ultimate: http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/forum Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: LugRadio talk

2007-02-16 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
On 2/15/07, Kirsten Chevalier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So which date was this infamous show where they talked trash about Haskell, anyway? I want to hear this firsthand, but the tables of contents given on their web sites don't seem to list talking trash about Haskell as an item

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: LugRadio talk

2007-02-16 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
On 2/16/07, Kirsten Chevalier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/15/07, Kirsten Chevalier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So which date was this infamous show where they talked trash about Haskell, anyway? I want to hear this firsthand, but the tables of contents given on their web sites don't seem

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: LugRadio talk

2007-02-15 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
So which date was this infamous show where they talked trash about Haskell, anyway? I want to hear this firsthand, but the tables of contents given on their web sites don't seem to list talking trash about Haskell as an item :-) Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often

Re: [Haskell] Problem compiling happy 1.15

2007-02-13 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
-- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt I don't care too much for money/Money can't buy me TeX. -- Jason Reed ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Strange memory consumption problems in something that should be tail-recursive

2007-02-13 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
-- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Relax. I'm weird, not violent.--Brad Boesen, _Disturbed_ ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Strange memory consumption problems in something that should be tail-recursive

2007-02-13 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
, the discussion on haskell-cafe is good when it comes to the reasoning behind tail-recursion not working the way users of strict languages might expect. Perhaps it should be written up somewhere more permanent. But that's a point about Haskell in general. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Strange memory consumption problems in something that should be tail-recursive

2007-02-13 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
in Haskell? There really should be one! (Although there may be something on the wiki already.) Profiling can help, though. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Are you aware that rushing toward a goal is a sublimated death wish? It's no coincidence we

Re: [Haskell-cafe] questions about core

2007-02-12 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
...) (Disclaimer: my name isn't Simon.) Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt There are no sexist decisions to be made. There are antisexist decisions to be made. And they require tremendous energy and self-scrutiny, as well as moral stamina... -- Samuel R

Re: [Haskell-cafe] questions about core

2007-02-12 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
read that Simon means one who listens to or obeys God. Tying this together with Stefan's post, maybe God is sort of like the unwritten denotational semantics for Haskell. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Would you be my clock if I promise

Re: [Haskell-cafe] questions about core

2007-02-12 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt It's important for us to explain to our nation that life is important. It's not only life of babies, but it's life of children living in, you know, the dark dungeons of the Internet. -- George W. Bush

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Very fast loops. Now!

2007-02-10 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
-- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Ninety-nine percent of everything that is done in the world, good and bad, is done to pay a mortgage. The world would be a much better place if everyone rented. -- Christopher Buckley

Re: [Haskell-cafe] still wrestling with io

2007-02-08 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
. (Intuitively, that's because creating the GUI object that represents the label is a side-effecting operation, at least with the way wxHaskell is designed.) Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt make them believe, if not in magic, in money well spent

Re: [Haskell-cafe] External Core

2007-02-06 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
will probably be happy to discuss it with you. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt I saw no reason then why hell should not have, so to speak, visible branch establishments throughout the earth, and I have visited quite a few of them since.--Robertson

Re: time profiling (was: (no subject))

2007-02-05 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
after looking at those pages, if you still have more questions. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt the faith that is so easy to forget / in moment after moment of distraction -- Ilene Weiss ___ Glasgow

Re: [Haskell-cafe] OT: any haskell-friendly / functional programming friendly comp sci programs? (for a 30s guy who did his undergrad in liberal arts)

2007-02-05 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
they'll stick to you like glue. But someone has to take the initiative. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Well-behaved women rarely make history. --Laurel Thatcher Ulrich ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing

Re: ghc 6.6 for mac os x (intel)

2007-02-04 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
still doesn't work, feel free to post here again. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt The astonishment of life is the absence of any appearance of reconciliation between the theory and practice of life.--Emerson

Re: List syntax (was: Re: help from the community?)

2007-02-02 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt and there's too much darkness in an endless night to be afraid of the way we feel -- Bob Franke ___ Haskell-prime mailing list Haskell-prime@haskell.org http

Re: List syntax (was: Re: help from the community?)

2007-02-02 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
not going to frequently edit the same constant list value. Am I missing something? Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt The world is absurd and beautiful and small -- Ani DiFranco ___ Haskell-prime

Re: List syntax (was: Re: help from the community?)

2007-02-02 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
(that's what's meant by it not being a first-class value), so Haskell programmers *do* usually think about them differently. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Man, you're not so perfect / Man, you're not a pearl / You're nothing more, man, than

Re: [Haskell-cafe] How did you stumble on Haskell?

2007-02-02 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
it, when I was an undergrad, and so I find those of you with real jobs and real lives who learn new languages in their copious free time with no particular extrinsic motivation for it to be particularly admirable. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Channel9 Interview: Software Composability and theFu ture of Languages

2007-01-31 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
washing the cruddiest dishes first while there are more suds. It also assumes that there's necessarily a natural decomposition on the dishes, and if you think there is, you haven't seen my kitchen! -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Sleeping is a gateway drug

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Channel9 Interview: Software Composability and theFu ture of Languages

2007-01-28 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
. As a challenge to everyone posting on this thread: rather than excoriating academia for its sins, why not start creating the documentation (or tutorials or libraries or applications) you wish to see? Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt No one's actually said

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Channel9 Interview: Software Composability and theFu ture of Languages

2007-01-26 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
or lack thereof worthless, too? If not, then surely, judgments about whether Haskell is too hard can't have much to do with who has a PhD and who doesn't. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Would you be my clock if I promise not to hang you / Too

Re: [Haskell] [Fwd: Re: Computer Language Shootout]

2007-01-25 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
message that Simon forwarded, and was not written by Simon. (I don't know the answer to your actual question, but maybe answers to it should go to haskell-cafe?) Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Getting an education was a bit like

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: [Haskell] [Fwd: Re: Computer Language Shootout]

2007-01-25 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
profiling tools for implementors hasn't been a high priority. And Alexey Rodriguez's recent work on using hardware counters is a step in the right direction. But, I think the time is now to put more effort into profiling and benchmarks for Haskell. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Meaning abbreviations stat file GHC

2007-01-14 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt What is research but a blind date with knowledge? -- Will Henry ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: ghc: out of memory error while compiling huge let

2007-01-12 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
.) Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt by God I *KNOW* what this network is for, and you can't have it.--Russ Allbery ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http

Re: GHC Runtime System

2007-01-11 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt 'Compassion' doesn't mean 'letting fucktards do whatever they want just because they want it.' -- lj user=uberwald ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users

Re: [Haskell-cafe] readFile problem

2007-01-08 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
it, or at least a minimal test case that would illustrate the different errors on the different OSes? What Unix toolkit are you using when running ghc on Windows, if any (cygwin, mingw, both, neither?) Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt What

Re: Exception when compiling HAppS

2007-01-07 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
and platform are you using? Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Would you be my clock if I promise not to hang you / Too close to the window or the picture of the pope? / I won't set you back and I won't push you forward / I just want to look

Re: Exception when compiling HAppS

2007-01-07 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
On 1/7/07, Dimitry Golubovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/7/07, Kirsten Chevalier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am getting a strange error message when trying to compile HAppS-0.8.4 with ghc-6.4.1always on the same file. [snip] *** Exception: waitForProcess: interrupted (Interrupted

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why does the wiki search facility not work properly?

2007-01-07 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
I don't know, but I would suspect that the page isn't linked from anywhere, and that's why it's not showing up in the search results. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt What is research but a blind date with knowledge? -- Will Henry

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Why does the wiki search facility not work properly?

2007-01-07 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
On 1/7/07, Paul Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07/01/07, Kirsten Chevalier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know, but I would suspect that the page isn't linked from anywhere, and that's why it's not showing up in the search results. MediaWiki has a concept of namespaces

Re: Re[8]: [Haskell-cafe] Strange type behavior in GHCi 6.4.2

2006-12-31 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
energies on doing the things GHC can't (usually) do, like replacing an O(n^2) algorithm with an O(log n) algorithm. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Happy is all in your head / When you wake up and you're not dead / It's a sign of maturation

Re: Re[4]: [Haskell-cafe] Strange type behavior in GHCi 6.4.2

2006-12-30 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
(and unfortunately, these skills are still necessary given the current level of Haskell technology) and gain insight into how to use the compiler to get the code you want than to practice cargo-cult programming in the form of wanton pragmas. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Literate Haskell source files. How do I turn them into something I can read?

2006-12-30 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
readable. A little effort spent learning now could save you a whole lot of effort later. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Dare to be naive.--R. Buckminster Fuller ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list

Re: Re[4]: [Haskell-cafe] Strange type behavior in GHCi 6.4.2

2006-12-30 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
reference to `ZCMain_main_closure' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status You need to either define a main function in your module (e.g., main = putStrLn Hello world!) or add -c to your compile flags. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt I wanna

Building GHC on Mac OS 10.2.1

2006-12-29 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
it? I'm pretty close to just giving up and buying a PC (various things make it difficult for me to upgrade to Tiger). Thanks, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Are you aware that rushing toward a goal is a sublimated death wish? It's no coincidence we call

Re: Building GHC on Mac OS 10.2.1

2006-12-29 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
configure warn you about it. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt You don't have to be a supermodel to do the animal thing / You don't have to be a genius to open your face up and sing -- Ani DiFranco

Re: Building GHC on Mac OS 10.2.1

2006-12-29 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
installed came from. But I think it's a standard build. Can anyone tell what's up? I've built ghc I-don't-know-how-many-times now and I'm *still* mystified by this. Thanks, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Of the seven deadly sins, lust is definitely

Re: Re[2]: [Haskell-cafe] Strange type behavior in GHCi 6.4.2

2006-12-29 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
). Think *first*, add pragmas later; again, people on the mailing lists and IRC channel are usually happy to provide guidance with this. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt To be free is not to have the power to do anything you like; it is to be able

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Strange type behavior in GHCi 6.4.2

2006-12-28 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt I eat too much / I laugh too long / I like too much of you when I'm gone. -- Ani DiFranco ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Is there a printable copy of the (GHC) library references anywhere?

2006-12-27 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
. (Personally I wouldn't find it at all useful to have a printed copy of the library docs, even though I do like printed manuals, because I only ever consult them to look up a specific function or type, which is a lot easier to do in the hypertext version -- but YMMV.) Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier

[Haskell-cafe] Followup on writing Haskell for Dummies...

2006-12-23 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
the writing of one (or several) books based on any of the ideas brought up in the mailing list discussion, they should feel free to step forward and do so, and know that they won't be duplicating work (or at least not my work). Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Writing Haskell For Dummies Or At Least For People Who Feel Like Dummies When They See The Word 'Monad'

2006-12-14 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
that either your language isn't providing you with enough abstractions or that you aren't using the abstractions that are available (or possibly both). Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Anyone who spends their life on a computer is pretty unusual

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Aim Of Haskell

2006-12-13 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
happened until after the rise of distributed open-source development (which, I remind you, didn't start gaining a lot of momentum until not that long ago). You could become one of those new folk of thinkers. Be the change you wish to see. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Aim Of Haskell

2006-12-13 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
, as well; so, I don't think it's quite *that* simple, although I should have been more clear. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Base eight is just like base ten, really... if you're missing two fingers. -- Tom Lehrer

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Mozart versus Beethoven (was: Writing Haskell For Dummies ...)

2006-12-13 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
that are going on inside. No program is nearly that complex! I suppose I must be channeling Hofstadter. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt One of these days and it won't be long / Going down in the valley and sing my song Gonna sing it loud

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Aim Of Haskell

2006-12-13 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
actively interested in the result? I'm interested to see what's going to happen, too. To answer your question with another, how many languages are there that have quite the same kind of people committed to them that Haskell does? :-) Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [Haskell-cafe] What is a hacker? [was: Mozart versus Beethoven]

2006-12-13 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
On 12/14/06, Benjamin Franksen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kirsten Chevalier wrote: (Since, of course, one should never apply the term hacker to oneself.) Who told you that? The Jargon File. But yes, I can anticipate more or less all of the possible responses to *that*, and, point taken

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Aim Of Haskell

2006-12-12 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
got to know at least *some* of the smart and academic types, you would find that they struggle sometimes too. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt What is research but a blind date with knowledge? -- Will Henry

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Mozart versus Beethoven (was: Writing Haskell For Dummies ...)

2006-12-12 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
to learn Haskell, or people who are already programmers who want to be Haskell hackers, in particular. I suppose that the first group of people is probably larger. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt What is research but a blind date with knowledge

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Aim Of Haskell

2006-12-12 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
On 12/12/06, Tomasz Zielonka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 10:58:18AM +, Kirsten Chevalier wrote: Functional programming people have a reputation for arrogance -- whether that impression is fair or not and whether that arrogance is merited or not, the impression exists

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Aim Of Haskell

2006-12-12 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
-- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing.--Wernher von Braun ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Aim Of Haskell

2006-12-12 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
. And we really don't need more pronunciation-based class distinctions. Curry would have avoided this problem. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt It was cold in the house so I slept in my car / And I steamed up the windows, then it started

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Aim Of Haskell

2006-12-12 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
all speak [or program in] _, the problem would solve itself? :-) Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt What you call 'lying', other people would call 'abstraction'. -- Alex Aiken ___ Haskell-Cafe

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Aim Of Haskell

2006-12-12 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
. I'm not sure why, since it's not as if anyone programs in Pascal anymore. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Never wear shorts with the name of your town across the ass if you live in Needham. -- Beth Murphy

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Re: Aim Of Haskell

2006-12-12 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
On 12/12/06, Brian Hulley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kirsten Chevalier wrote: since it's not as if anyone programs in Pascal anymore. Yet I'm sure most people who did a computer science degree some decades ago remember the old joke about passing things by name or value for what it's Wirth

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Aim Of Haskell

2006-12-12 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
? But I'm sure Oleg will show us that Haskell already has them. :-) Maybe the real question should be: is there anything in Pascal that Haskell's type system doesn't provide? Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Other than to amuse himself, why

Re: a cabal/database lib experience (was: [Haskell-cafe]Trivialdatabase access in Haskell)

2006-12-12 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
in one obvious-to-find file. Indeed. I can now confirm that it's *not* hard to get takusen set up - it's just a bit hard to find out it's not hard :-) If you generalize from takusen there, I think you'll understand a lot about Haskell :-) Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell-Cafe Digest, Vol 40, Issue 27

2006-12-11 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, one particular thing that we still lack is something like book Haskell in real world We need a 'Dive into Haskell' book. Head First Haskell? Or perhaps it should be unsafeHead First Haskell. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often

[Haskell-cafe] Writing Haskell For Dummies Or At Least For People Who Feel Like Dummies When They See The Word 'Monad'

2006-12-11 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
I'm not one), though it wouldn't hurt. Being interested in good writing and explaining things to a wider audience is more important. And, the more people who are interested in working on this, the more we can all pool our various talents to create something awesome. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Writing Haskell For Dummies Or At Least For People Who Feel Like Dummies When They See The Word 'Monad'

2006-12-11 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
type systems are cool, too.) Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Are you aware that rushing toward a goal is a sublimated death wish? It's no coincidence we call them 'deadlines'. -- Tom Robbins

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Writing Haskell For Dummies Or At Least For People Who Feel Like Dummies When They See The Word 'Monad'

2006-12-11 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
-- but correct me if I'm wrong.) Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt There's no money in poetry, but there's no poetry in money, either. --Robert Graves ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe

Re: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Writing Haskell For Dummies Or At Least For People Who Feel Like Dummies When They See The Word 'Monad'

2006-12-11 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
can only do so much :-) Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt ...There is no mystery; there is only paradox, the incontrovertible union of contradictory truths. -- Edward Abbey ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing

Re: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Writing Haskell For Dummies Or At Least For People Who Feel Like Dummies When They See The Word 'Monad'

2006-12-11 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
have enough sway that publishers will let them get away with whatever they want. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Who needs reasons when you've got the root password?[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Haskell

Re: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Writing Haskell For Dummies Or At Least For People Who Feel Like Dummies When They See The Word 'Monad'

2006-12-11 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt There are many places in computer science where it's actually helpful to procrastinate. -- Eric Brewer ___ Haskell-Cafe mailing list Haskell-Cafe@haskell.org http

Re: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Writing Haskell For Dummies Or At Least For People Who Feel Like Dummies When They See The Word 'Monad'

2006-12-11 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
of digest mode :-) Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt If you try to solve a hard problem, the question is not whether you will use a powerful enough language, but whether you will (a) use a powerful language, (b) write a de facto interpreter

Re: Re: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Writing Haskell For Dummies Or At Least For People Who Feel Like Dummies When They See The Word 'Monad'

2006-12-11 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
should have enough web hosting space to set up a wiki and a mailing list for discussion, so I'll go ahead and do that sometime over the next couple of days, and follow up here. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt Science fiction is not predictive

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Trivial database access in Haskell

2006-12-11 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
in the day, but only a few people get paid to work on Haskell full-time. So if you really wanted to find out whether the existing libraries would work for your purposes, try it, and write up what you found so that other people can benefit from it. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Writing Haskell For Dummies Or At Least For People Who Feel Like Dummies When They See The Word 'Monad'

2006-12-11 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
-- if not make it that much *easier* for somebody else to do the same -- at least allow *more* people to do the same. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt and the things I'm working on are invisible to everyone--Meg Hutchinson

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Trivial database access in Haskell

2006-12-11 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
apologize; you're not being dumb. But, you have to realize that if you're using Haskell at all, you *are* the Haskell community. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt ...I thought the secret of life was obvious: be here now, love as if your whole life

Re: Re: [Haskell-cafe] Writing Haskell For Dummies Or At Least For People Who Feel Like Dummies When They See The Word 'Monad'

2006-12-11 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
On 12/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day all. Quoting Kirsten Chevalier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I suppose I should have clarified that I meant a dead-trees book with a real publisher, [...] Something more like this, then: http://phptr.com/perens Maybe we should come up

Re: [Haskell-cafe] Trivial database access in Haskell

2006-12-11 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
likely to notice your question if you ask somewhere other than on this list, which is noisy. Good luck. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt I'm sick of my genitalia being used as an insult. Are you? -- Bitch and Animal

Re: profiling experience

2006-12-06 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
On 12/6/06, Serge D. Mechveliani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What may consitute this strange CAF cost of 96% ? Kirsten Chevalier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote I didn't look at your code all that carefully, but did you build the GHC libraries with -prof -auto-all? (Not just -prof.) If you don't build

Re: bang patterns give fundamentally new capabilities?

2006-12-04 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
really shouldn't be possible AFAIK unless there's something seriously wrong with GHC that I don't know about. Unless you use The Function That Shall Not Be Named.) Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt

Re: difficult profiling example

2006-12-04 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
.) Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt ___ Glasgow-haskell-users mailing list Glasgow-haskell-users@haskell.org http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-users

Re: RULES and strictness

2006-12-01 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
in the code), though I'm open to being convinced otherwise. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Often in error, never in doubt I flip on the television and watch sad movies / And look for sad sick people like me -- Tegan and Sara

[Haskell-cafe] Re: Haskell-Cafe Digest, Vol 38, Issue 22

2006-10-11 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
it the keener we are to get it done. I did file a bug on this nine months ago: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/670 but haven't had a chance to work on it. Cheers, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Often in error, never in doubt That's the thing about people who think they hate

Re: Use of tab characters in indentation-sensitive code

2004-01-24 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
for expressing programs, just that HTML would be entirely the wrong technology. -- Kirsten Chevalier * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Often in error, never in doubt The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth.--Camus http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~krc

Data.HashTable weirdness

2003-11-08 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
to my understanding of how a hash table should work, inserting a key in the table should overwrite the previous value for that key, so inserting a key should be equivalent to deleting it and then inserting it. But clearly that's not the case here. Can anyone explain this? -- Kirsten Chevalier

Re: Question about profiling in GHC...

2003-10-28 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
...) -- Kirsten Chevalier * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Often in error, never in doubt But just because we're conditioned to view some things as disgusting and immoral doesn't mean that some things aren't, in actual point of fact, disgusting and immoral. Human sacrifice, for instance. Or cannibalism. Or Ann Coulter

Wildly inaccurate profiling results

2003-10-21 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
be? Thanks, Kirsten -- Kirsten Chevalier * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Often in error, never in doubt ___ Glasgow-haskell-bugs mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/glasgow-haskell-bugs

Re: Wildly inaccurate profiling results

2003-10-21 Thread Kirsten Chevalier
-- the only profiling flag I'm using is -P. When I recompiled the program without any profiling and ran it again, it took about 4 minutes as opposed to 5.5, suggesting that the 34 seconds reported by profiling really is inaccurate. -- Kirsten Chevalier * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Often in error, never in doubt

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