I am aware that a couple months ago several servers were de-listed for 6
weeks for using FakeClients and Bot plugins.
I am curious though if there is every going to be any enforcement of this
part of the policy:
ยท Interfering with the mechanisms that advertise modifications to gameplay
rules in
Yeah this kind of thing I consider a 'minor' violation. Similar to someone
winding up on a Saxton Hale server and it's on a stock map. It'd be really
hard for them to actively monitor for this. Fake players on the other hand..
I've sent several reports to Fletcher about some servers and he has
Yeah - let's not start saying that simply using that plugin is in violation
of the rules, bud. We run it, but we have modified it to insure the
respawn_times is added to the server browser when it is enabled (we also
add the noquickplay tag for good measure). Running that plugin is NOT a
violation
I think he was just saying the ones that do not modify the tags correctly
are breaking the rules.
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This is why I think there should be a Modded game tag for the servers.
Or at least some tag for the major plugins. i.e. Saxton Hale, Freak
Fortress. The fact is that were not trying to scoop up players into a
mode that they don't want to be in as they will instantly leave.
On 7/31/2012 10:38
That's what the server score system is for. If player's constantly leave
a server as soon as they are placed in it, that server's score will rapidly
decline, and it will get less and less traffic - which is the best way to
do it. Valve has had the wisdom to (for the most part) allow the players to
They have the choice. It's called the server browser.
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 11:21 AM, E. Olsen ceo.eol...@gmail.com wrote:
This is where, IMHO, Valve is sending the wrong message with Quickplay.
While I fully understand that they created and optimized the game for 24
players, and they want
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Yeah - let's not start saying that simply using that plugin is in violation of
the rules, bud. We run it, but we have modified
I'd generally agree with you on everything other than fake players that are
specifically designed to FOOL the system that decides whether players
should be sent to it in the first place. No players? No problem, we'll load
Fake Players. If no one reports those servers for breaking a policy,
nothing
should apply to us
all.
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Of course I agree that rules should apply to everyone equally.
However, saying that a *a 32 player server using mp_respawnwavetimes has
no chance against violators of the policy.* isn't even remotely true. I'm
looking at 10 of my servers that are full (32-players) right now that have
the
Olsen, it sounds more to me like you've been building your community for a
while, possibly even before Quickplay and have a very solid group of
players. Nowadays, most veteran TF2 players have their own community
servers they visit. I'd wager a guess to say it's nearly impossible to
build a server
I think that these plugins that Todd posted are really breaking the
rules of quickplay and the owners should be punished accordingly. They
might not do it willingly, might have just grabbed a plugin and now know
about the rules of quickplay. Then again, if they registered their
servers to
care.
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Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 2:58:23 PM
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Of course I agree
The point is - that's impossible to do fairly. We DO run that plugin, but
on the maps where it is disabled (i.e. sm_respawn_time_enabled 0) that
plugin is technically still RUNNING, but since fast respawn is disabled,
the sv_tag is not set.
See my point - you can't just poll a bunch of servers
It's failrly easy. If you enable that plugin that breaks the rules, you
disable quickplay traffic with cvar tf_server_identity_disable_quickplay
1. In that case, you do not break the rules.
How can you expect Valve to save you if the plugin creators are ignorant
of their rules. What you are
in effect? Fast Respawn without tags
OK?
It's failrly easy. If you enable that plugin that breaks the rules, you disable
quickplay traffic with cvar tf_server_identity_disable_quickplay 1. In that
case, you do not break the rules.
How can you expect Valve to save you if the plugin creators
Meh - I think delisting/banning servers for merely altered spawn times is
killing a mosquito with a sledgehammer. Remove them from quickplay? Sure -
why not...but if their only violation (which, I would guess, many server
operators are ignorant of) is changing spawn times, then the thing that
Fair thing would be following the rules that Valve has placed in.
Obviously there always will be rulebreakers but their numbers would
significantly decrease either by temporarely punishements or by more
permanent.
Obviously there will be those who get banned and say Valve killed our
servers
a ticket.
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Meh - I think
Yeah I kind of feel like an outright ban for the spawn timing thing is
slightly overkill. But, at the same time, this policy has been in place
long enough to where you would think there aren't any Admins/Owners who
aren't aware of it. That seems to make it more of a foul in my opinion.
What I'm
the major violators
and send a message.
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I just think people have to be careful in thinking that everything comes
down to back white. I'll give you a specific example:
A few months ago when I had the fast respawn plugin we use re-written by a
Sorucemod coder to insure it added the proper sv_tags, an error was
introduced that went
and send a message.
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from a speeding ticket?
NO!
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OK?
So in light of what you just
, 2012 4:51:40 PM
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OK?
So in light of what you just implied on 32 slot servers running fast
respawn and faking it, i had my own 30 slot servers forcibly turned to
24 slots due to lack of real players. Not alone by the slot
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So in light of what you just implied on 32 slot servers running fast
respawn and faking it, i had my own 30 slot servers forcibly
: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:51:40 PM
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So in light of what you just implied on 32 slot servers running fast
respawn and faking it, i had my own 30 slot servers forcibly turned to
24 slots due to lack of real players
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I just think people have to be careful in thinking that everything comes
down to back white. I'll give you
Okay, seriously guys, this list's occupants are great most of the time,
but sometimes a thread makes me feel like I'm on the World of Warcraft
forums.
Speculation is fun and all, but until an official statement comes in,
that's all it can be: Speculation.
Just please, before posting, think
You're making the assumption that because people are here complaining about
servers and communities breaking a policy that we have servers dead 24/7.
It's just quite annoying having communities outright breaking the policy,
getting reported (multiple times) and still nothing is done about it. I
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I just think people have to be careful in thinking that everything comes
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I just think people have to be careful in thinking
? NO!
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I just
it would be pretty snazzy to see fast respawn not penalized as
severely as long as the tag was present. Someone a bit earlier back
posted a nicely written observance that summarily stated this:
If you run a community and pay it attention, have good admins, are an
enjoyable personality(s),
the plugin doesn't make you
compliant.
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ticket? NO!
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I
Well, I'm too good to die 40 times in a row, so there would be no way for
me to figure out.
:)
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40x in a row? Call out these hacks.
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The mailing list isn't the place for petty fights between your
communities, please take it elsewhere.
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Essay Tew Phaun sc2p...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, I'm too good to die 40 times in a row, so there would be no way for me
to figure out.
:)
31, 2012 8:10:10 PM
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tags OK?
Empty servers don't really count now do they? Especially empty servers with
bots. Bots mess with the respawn times due to Valve's buggy code, so we have
plugins to fix this. This issue
Should probably stop. This thread has a lot of valid complaints and some
good thoughts. Let's not ruin it completely.
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Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:15:17 PM
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Should probably stop. This thread has a lot of valid complaints and some good
thoughts. Let's not ruin
respawntimes are default. Am I missing something?
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Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:24:54 PM
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You probably have bots. As I said, bots mess with the spawn times.
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Todd Pettit pettit.t...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, I might
Disable bots.
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:40:26 -0400
From: pettit.t...@gmail.com
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If you can point me to where this is cited and a fix I will gladly apologize.
I am
:41:38 PM
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OK?
Disable bots.
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:40:26 -0400
From: pettit.t...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy of Truth Still in effect? Fast Respawn without
tags
There are reports of it. I think I googled it some time ago and it's been a
bug for a few years now. It happens if you set the bots to join the server
without humans. Let me see if I can find it.
, 2012 8:41:38 PM
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tags OK?
Disable bots.
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:40:26 -0400
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Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:41:38 PM
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Disable bots.
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:40:26 -0400
From: pettit.t...@gmail.com
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Policy
Lotus and Skial both run clean servers. I can personally vouch for Lotus as
I not long ago played there all the time. Some other communities though, on
the other hand..
Let's just hope Fletcher and Co do something about the reports I and others
have made sooner rather than later.
Okay let me get this straight.
It's okay to use fake clients as long as you aren't using them as
hard as the other guy.
It's okay to not use proper tags on your server as long as you
aren't lying too much.
It's okay to bend the rules just because, like, Valve isn't fair and
they should make it
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