Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-06-02 Thread Robert Whelan
: Monday, June 1, 2009 2:33:03 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op? Anyone want to guess my opinion on the matter? On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 15:07 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: This. I imagine the purpose of the VAC system is to stop cheats that give an unfair advantage. Idling

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-06-02 Thread Donnie Newlove
:33:03 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op? Anyone want to guess my opinion on the matter? On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 15:07 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: This. I imagine the purpose of the VAC system is to stop cheats that give an unfair advantage. Idling in a server

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-06-02 Thread matan nov
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 2:33:03 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op? Anyone want to guess my opinion on the matter? On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 15:07 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: This. I imagine the purpose of the VAC system is to stop cheats that give

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-06-02 Thread Robert Whelan
here for the band! From: msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:29:11 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op? The phrase is couldn't care less

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-06-02 Thread FPSB | Goerge
list hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2009 2:29:11 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op? The phrase is couldn't care less. Please refer to this chart: http://www.msleeper.com/files/caring.png What the hell are you people going on about a honeypot

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-06-02 Thread Karl Weckstrom
-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op? The phrase is couldn't care less. Please refer to this chart: http://www.msleeper.com/files/caring.png What the hell are you people going on about a honeypot. That doesn't even make sense, I don't think

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-06-02 Thread Yaakov Smith
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op? and to think I used to really dislike that msleeper dude :) Now I can't seem to ever disagree with him. -Original Message- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-06-01 Thread Shane Arnold
This. I imagine the purpose of the VAC system is to stop cheats that give an unfair advantage. Idling in a server, be it by minimised official client or third-party client is no different. It's still idling. Not to mention the fact that even if VALVe wanted to design the system to block/ban

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-06-01 Thread Donnie Newlove
No, that's not my logic, that's some flawed bullshit you made up. By the way, the kid is making it up, he did cheat. http://www.gamerzplanet.net/forums/battlefield-heroes/320239-simple-bf-h-aimbot-3.html#post1982686 Same nick name, registered the same month that he got banned and he admit what

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-06-01 Thread Neil Voutt
Honeypot? Neil Voutt - Administrator http://www.neilvoutt.com http://www.ipoststupidshit.com On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 3:33 PM, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: Anyone want to guess my opinion on the matter? On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 15:07 +0800, Shane Arnold wrote: This. I imagine

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-06-01 Thread msleeper
What are you talking about? I'm refering to the VAC for people who cheat the system. On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 15:35 -0400, Neil Voutt wrote: Honeypot? Neil Voutt - Administrator http://www.neilvoutt.com http://www.ipoststupidshit.com On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 3:33 PM, msleeper

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-06-01 Thread Cc2iscooL
Lollypop? On 6/1/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: What are you talking about? I'm refering to the VAC for people who cheat the system. On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 15:35 -0400, Neil Voutt wrote: Honeypot? Neil Voutt - Administrator http://www.neilvoutt.com

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-06-01 Thread AzuiSleet
Maybe someone could make a sourcemod plugin that bans people for standing still. They could have been idling. On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: Lollypop? On 6/1/09, msleeper mslee...@cyberwurx.com wrote: What are you talking about? I'm refering to the VAC

[hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread Clyde cide
Hello, I have been hearing a rumour that some people are getting vac banned for using an Idle program at source op. Any one hear of this or know for sure this program will get you Vac'd? Thanks ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread Neil Voutt
That is one reason why i never touched that program, i didnt want to take any chances.. regards, Neil Voutt - Administrator http://www.neilvoutt.com http://www.ipoststupidshit.com On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Clyde cide thedrunkenbraw...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, I have been hearing a

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread Nightbox
you are not cheating, no ban 2009/5/31 Neil Voutt mr.neosty...@gmail.com That is one reason why i never touched that program, i didnt want to take any chances.. regards, Neil Voutt - Administrator http://www.neilvoutt.com http://www.ipoststupidshit.com On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 4:51 PM,

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread Haven Meyer
If you want to track this rumor, its from one person stating they couldn't connect to the vac servers a few nights ago (which happened to us all), and then one person here: http://www.gotfrag.com/tf2/forums/thread/400307/?cpage=1#comment_9221007-claiming to have been vac banned for it. If only

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread Cc2iscooL
Technically you are cheating. The program is using the Steam API to say you're in game when you're not. Sounds like cheating to me :) On 5/31/09, Nightbox alexandrualexa...@gmail.com wrote: you are not cheating, no ban 2009/5/31 Neil Voutt mr.neosty...@gmail.com That is one reason why i

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread Philip Bembridge
I would have thought it unlikely that you will get vac banned. However, if valve decide to strip items for using this program, it is no different to just running a server and sitting idle in it. Would they strip items for anyone playing on an achievement-idle server? or would they strip items for

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread Philip Bembridge
Valve: feel free to block the program, but please PLEASE after the weapon drop probabilities are geared towards playing well.. similar to the crit calculation!! @ cc2iscool: is this program any different to sitting idle in a server? then sitting in an idle server is cheating... if so, how are you

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread SakeFox
there is a difference. one you are actually running tf2. another your just running a outside application to emulate running the game. really this thread should just be stopped since its just going to turn into a flame war and the end results will be the people that use it wont think its

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread Neil Voutt
It mimic's idling in a server without actually launching tf2. in a command line type interface. it connects to a master (fake) server which has 10,000 slots. this server can only be connected by the idling client program. regards, Neil Voutt - Administrator http://www.neilvoutt.com

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread Neil Voutt
I am neutral to the matter, I am merely curious to see where valve's stance will be on this program if they take a stance at all. regards, Neil Voutt - Administrator http://www.neilvoutt.com http://www.ipoststupidshit.com On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:38 PM, SakeFox sake...@kingdomsend.com wrote:

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread Cc2iscooL
Seeing as it mimics idling in a server even though you're not idling in a server it could be considered a cheat. You're not actually running a game. You're using a program to emulate the game's function of connecting to a server. As far as I'm concerned that seems like cheating to me. It's like

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread Mike Stiehm
I agree Kenny Loggins ClanAO.com On May 31, 2009, at 4:38 PM, SakeFox sake...@kingdomsend.com wrote: there is a difference. one you are actually running tf2. another your just running a outside application to emulate running the game. really this thread should just be stopped since its just

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread Dj Satane
then maybe you should also ban all the people who use steam achievement manager... ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread Clyde cide
Its an interesting debate, although Valve did not Vac Ban the weapon unlocker they just removed the weapons, so I am on the fence wether or not they would Vac on this one. my gut says they wouldnt and the kid in that post got picked off for another cheat, perhaps one they didnt know about. I.E. a

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread Donnie Newlove
In the end the only difference between idling in your app or idling in TF2 is RAM, CPU and if not minimized, GPU used. It's no more cheating than running TF2 in DX8 mode to get better performance. On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Cc2iscooL cc2isc...@gmail.com wrote: Seeing as it mimics idling

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread Cc2iscooL
Difference is you're not using the program that it was intended to be used in. Thus cheating. Why is it so hard to understand? -- Cc2iscooL Head Admin/Owner http://www.cc2iscool.com On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Donnie Newlove donnie.newl...@gmail.comwrote: In the end the only difference

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread SakeFox
I really shouldn't be starting in on this since I really want this thread to die, but by your logic using a application to let me see through walls to improve my performance is no difference then using custom materials that let me see through wall for better performance. Donnie Newlove wrote:

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread Tony Paloma
[mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Clyde cide Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 1:52 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op? Hello, I have been hearing a rumour that some people are getting vac banned for using

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread Clyde cide
Also, this isn't really relevant to running servers, so please let's not discuss it on this list. I agree, howev er this is the only place to get serious info even on this. Steam forums as a general rule... well umm there is no real value there. ___ To

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread Dj Satane
many people use that achievement unlocker in slow fashion and even quick fashion and dont have their weapons removed so yea. As to someone mentioning tf2 using gpu, if you run the game minimized gpu is not used at all and runs idle the only drawback of running tf2 minimized vs not at all is memory

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread voogru
People use steam forums for information? --Original Message-- From: Clyde cide Sender: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list ReplyTo: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op? Sent

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread Yaakov Smith
It's not cheating the game, it's cheating the system. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread tgnwells
It's not really any different than running TF2 in an idling server and minimizing the window, I wouldn't say it's very honest but I wouldn't really classify it as a cheat. And VACs main purpose is protecting the game process, I don't think you could get VAC banned from just manipulating the

Re: [hlds] Vac Ban for Idle program @ Source Op?

2009-05-31 Thread FPSB | Goerge
it's amazing how many people think achievents and unlocks are such serious business. ROAR BAN ALL THE IDLERS, ROAR BAN ALL THE FAKE IDLE SERVER CLIENTS what skin is it off your nose? On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 9:39 PM, tgnwells tgnwe...@gmail.com wrote: It's not really any different than running