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On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 09:12:34PM -0800, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote:
>At Sat, 8 Nov 2008 05:56:39 +0100,
>Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
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>> > (In regards to whether it is just a philosophical checkbox, I tend
>> >to think so. If a company makes a product b
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On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 08:37:13PM -0800, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote:
>At Sat, 8 Nov 2008 04:26:55 +0100,
>Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 04:12:13PM -0800, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote:
>> >At Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:45:00 +0100,
>> >Jonas Smedegaa
At Sat, 8 Nov 2008 05:56:39 +0100,
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>
> > (In regards to whether it is just a philosophical checkbox, I tend to
> >think so. If a company makes a product based on an open-source project
> >and sells it to Cuba from the US, the company may be punished
> >regardless what
Some people might find this relevant to our work.
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Hi,
Forwarding this rec
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On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 07:21:10PM -0800, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote:
>At Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:09:34 -0300 ,
>Jecel Assumpcao Jr wrote:
>>
>> My point was: is forbidding the export clause as part of the Open
>> Source definition a practical concern or is it
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On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 12:09:34AM -0300, Jecel Assumpcao Jr wrote:
>Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> [a couple of good and clearly summarized observations snipped]
>
>I'll try to keep this short too...
Uh, I did not consider "short". I shall do my best too
At Sat, 8 Nov 2008 04:26:55 +0100,
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
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> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 04:12:13PM -0800, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote:
> >At Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:45:00 +0100,
> >Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> >>
> >> The Squeak image "Etoys" (the only one cu
>> If teachers and children don't care, then the reason is simply that they
>> got someone else to do that boring (and perhaps complex) task for them.
>> It still needs doing. I suspect the same applies to you (Edubuntu is a
>> distribution too!).
>
> What I meant is that this crowd normally doesn'
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On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 04:12:13PM -0800, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote:
>At Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:45:00 +0100,
>Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>
>> The Squeak image "Etoys" (the only one currently packaged officially
>> for Debian) is in "non-free" due to ftpmasters
At Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:09:34 -0300 ,
Jecel Assumpcao Jr wrote:
>
> My point was: is forbidding the export clause as part of the Open Source
> definition a practical concern or is it just a philosophical checkbox? I
> agree that it would not make sense to have one rule for Squeak and
> another for t
Rafael Ortiz
Hi greg
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Greg Dekoenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I love the idea of teams. Teams working together are awesome. Teams
> share a common goal. Teams hold one another accountable. Go Team!
>
> So we've got a list of teams on the left navbar
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> You are perfectly right. Subject changed.
Thanks!
> [a couple of good and clearly summarized observations snipped]
I'll try to keep this short too...
> [it is good to have such debates]
Indeed, but not everybody likes it. The Squeak community itself pulls in
opposite
On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 01:32:49AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> >Part of the honest worry about these issues comes from very good
> >reasons not to just trust everyone. But it also seems that e.g. Debian
> >needs to widen its circle of trust to include experts in wider
> >varieties of progra
At Sat, 8 Nov 2008 01:32:49 +0100,
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>
> >Part of the honest worry about these issues comes from very good
> >reasons not to just trust everyone. But it also seems that e.g. Debian
> >needs to widen its circle of trust to include experts in wider
> >varieties of programmin
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On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:56:44PM -0800, Alan Kay wrote:
>Sure, I completely agree. And now is a chance to apply the idea that
>via the Internet "the whole world" is the pool of resources for making
>and taking care of open and free software.
In a
At Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:45:00 +0100,
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>
> The Squeak image "Etoys" (the only one currently packaged officially for
> Debian) is in "non-free" due to ftpmasters judging it not possible for
> the security team to maintain throughout the (multiple year long)
> lifespan of a De
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On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 08:24:56PM -0300, Jecel Assumpcao Jr wrote:
>Holger Levsen wrote:
>> On Friday 07 November 2008 19:45, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> > The Squeak image "Etoys" (the only one currently packaged
>> > officially for Debian) is in "no
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On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 05:06:48PM -0500, Gavin Romig-Koch wrote:
> Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote:
>>>
>>> Please note that the reason for eToys being kept out of debian
>>> "main" is *not* that it is considered non-free.
>>>
>>> Debian maintains more than
Sure, I completely agree. And now is a chance to apply the idea that via the
Internet "the whole world" is the pool of resources for making and taking care
of open and free software.
Seems as though no simple group can handle the scaling implied by having the
whole world supply software, even
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On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 01:47:16PM -0800, Alan Kay wrote:
>So the only misconception I saw in the last few exchanges was part of a
>lot of correct conclusions by Holger. The misconception was: "it's
>because the impossibility to bootstrap etoys."
>
>
Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Friday 07 November 2008 19:45, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > The Squeak image "Etoys" (the only one currently packaged officially for
> > Debian) is in "non-free" due to ftpmasters judging it not possible for
> > the security team to maintain throughout the (multiple year lo
Greg Dekoenigsberg wrote:
>>
>> Please note that the reason for eToys being kept out of debian "main"
>> is *not* that it is considered non-free.
>>
>> Debian maintains more than 20.000 packages, and eToys as so far been
>> judged too "odd" for Debian to maintain, eg. for patching in case of
>>
Actually, this discussion is getting closer to what's actually the case.
When you get anything made in Squeak (such as Etoys) you are getting all of
Squeak, including a portable machine that contains a full set of sources and
the development tools to make anything, including new versions of Sque
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Holger Levsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> thanks from me to Jecel for clarifications too!
>
> On Friday 07 November 2008 19:45, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > The Squeak image "Etoys" (the only one currently packaged officially for
> > Debian) is in "non-free"
Hi,
thanks from me to Jecel for clarifications too!
On Friday 07 November 2008 19:45, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> The Squeak image "Etoys" (the only one currently packaged officially for
> Debian) is in "non-free" due to ftpmasters judging it not possible for
> the security team to maintain through
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Greg Dekoenigsberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://sugarlabs.org/go/WikiTeam
>
> Who's the owner... cjl? The TODO list looks good... names attached?
>
> No, not the owener, just a contributor. By volume of work, I'd say
dfar
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On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 07:07:13PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
>On Friday 07 November 2008 14:39, David Van Assche wrote:
>> the only option seems to seperate squeak from sugar, if sugar is to
>> get into main or universe.
>
>thats not an option, but
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On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 03:30:57PM -0300, Jecel Assumpcao Jr wrote:
>David Van Assche wrote on Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:39:00 +0100
>> I've just been corrected on this by a ubuntu dev, who states for it
>> to get into universe, it must have source code avai
Hi,
On Friday 07 November 2008 14:39, David Van Assche wrote:
> the only option seems to
> seperate squeak from sugar, if sugar is to get into main or universe.
thats not an option, but it's the (fine) status quo. there are these things
called "packages"...
regards,
Holger, who also ap
David Van Assche wrote on Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:39:00 +0100
> I've just been corrected on this by a ubuntu dev, who states for it to
> get into universe, it must have source code available. That means that
> for now, squeak must stay in Multiverse the only option seems to
> seperate squeak from su
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On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 06:50:52PM +1800, David Farning wrote:
>Yesterday we had a long thread about Sugar on Ubuntu which was helpful
>yet filled with misunderstandings.
If you insist on focusing solely on Ubuntu, then please do not bother
cc'ing m
On Fri, 7 Nov 2008, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
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> On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 10:54:38PM +1100, Costello, Rob R wrote:
>> From outside this all looks as though it might suffer from being a
>> little too pedantic in adhering to definitional terms
>
>> It
I love the idea of teams. Teams working together are awesome. Teams
share a common goal. Teams hold one another accountable. Go Team!
So we've got a list of teams on the left navbar of the Sugar wiki (and one
or two elsewhere). I figured I'd check them all out and give my
unsolicited feed
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On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 10:54:38PM +1100, Costello, Rob R wrote:
>From outside this all looks as though it might suffer from being a
>little too pedantic in adhering to definitional terms
>It feels as free and open as can be, in terms of what you can
So I am just about finished converting TA to SVG. I am doing this both
to make it easier to localize and to make it easier to scale to
different size screens. What I don't yet have a handle on is the best
way to deal with the translation of the strings in the SVG files. The
problem is one of scalin
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 7:08 AM, David Van Assche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Is there a corporate identity for Sugar... ie a document that
> describes how logos should be placed, color scheme, fonts, web layout,
> etc?
>
> David Van Assche
Walter and I have a phone call planned with Software Fre
Nice,
Now we will have to take a look at the translation templates to see if we
can get them working correctly.
david
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Bernie Innocenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've upgraded the MediaWiki instance of wiki.sugarlabs.org to 1.13.2.
> Please, let me kn
I'm working on the t-shirts, should have something early next week.
Where are we printing them? Any thoughts?
Christian
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From: Marco Pesenti Gritti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Walter Bender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Bernie Innocenti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Christian Schmidt
I might have hit with a generous donor that might pay my way...
Could you confirm dates so they can get me tickets early while they are
still less expensive?
I would want to learn and share, and if possible/if there is interest
work on Wetware issues, especially The Medium Is The Message as ap
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 15:39, David Van Assche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've just been corrected on this by a ubuntu dev, who states for it to
> get into universe, it must have source code available. That means that
> for now, squeak must stay in Multiverse the only option seems to
> sepera
I've just been corrected on this by a ubuntu dev, who states for it to
get into universe, it must have source code available. That means that
for now, squeak must stay in Multiverse the only option seems to
seperate squeak from sugar, if sugar is to get into main or universe.
David Van Assche
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yes. Plus I need to push the rest of Christian's suggested changes,
> including the landing page... Maybe today is the the day?
Also, Walter forgot to send out his moo.com cards artwork and Chritian
t-shirts!!!
Marco
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On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 15:12, David Van Assche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think the fact no source code is available might cause a problem for
> it getting into Main... thats not necessarily such a bad thing though.
> Edubuntu addon packages will definitely go to universe, its just a
> question
Landing page? woow!
Marco
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> From: Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 7:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Logo (Re: Sugar bug tracker now available)
> To: Marco P
I think the fact no source code is available might cause a problem for
it getting into Main... thats not necessarily such a bad thing though.
Edubuntu addon packages will definitely go to universe, its just a
question of when. The only difference is, no direct downstream
support. But as I understan
Is there a corporate identity for Sugar... ie a document that
describes how logos should be placed, color scheme, fonts, web layout,
etc?
David Van Assche
On 11/7/08, Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> From: Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> D
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From: Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Logo (Re: Sugar bug tracker now available)
To: Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
yes. Plus I need to push the rest of Christian's suggested changes,
includi
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 05:24, Bernie Innocenti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've just asked Ivan to setup a bug tracker for us on solarsail.
>
> This is intended for filing Sugar bugs unrelated to any particular
> platform, and for code reviews.
>
> At the moment, the system has no regis
Should we use the one line version of the logo on dev.sugarlabs.org?
Marco
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Hi,
additionaly to what Bert said:
to summarize _my understanding_ again: there is source, there is just no ascii
representation of the source / you cannot compile the source to binaries.
Because the source comes as blobs (being the VM in it's state), which can be
edited inside the virtual mac
> 3. Should testing and QA be merged? If so, under what name?
>
My preference would be for TestingTeam (merged).
Marco
>>> Yes I prefer TestingTeam as well. The sidebar says TranslationTeam, in the
>>> name of consistency this should be Translation I think.
>>>
>> QATea
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