Re: [IAEP] International Society for Technology in Education 2016 Conference and Expo?

[Laura Vargas]

+1 Walter

It would be great to define a place (in the wiki?) and maybe a procedure
for Deployments to share their valuable Sugar-XO worldwide deployments
experience and research :D

The future of Sugar Labs Community is deeply attached to the future of
Educational Systems, specially in those developing countries where Sugar
was deployed attached to the OLPC Project since 2007. So it is relevant to
look at the data and share good practices.

At the end of last slobs meeting I told Lionel that Sugar has the capacity
to become a facilitator for knowledge exchange among continents.

I believe this is a vision, we can all share.

Regards,

Laura

2016-04-01 0:34 GMT+08:00 Walter Bender :

>
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Sora Edwards-Thro 
> wrote:
>
>> I'll be there presenting research on a literacy project with XOs in Haiti.
>>
>
> Great. Would be great to share your results with the Sugar community as
> well.
>
> -walter
>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 12:32 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Is anyone involved in Sugar Labs going to
>>> https://conference.iste.org/2016/ ?
>>>
>>> Has anyone gone from SL attended previous years?
>>>
>>> ISTE 2016 says it is "the premier education technology conference," and
>>> will be held June 26-29 in Denver, Colorado, USA.
>>>
>>> --
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Chris Leonard]

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 5:52 PM, Sean DALY  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:32 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Lionel for taking time to vote your conscience even despite others
>> of us who believe we have a legal/fiduciary obligation to our biggest
>> investor (Trip Advisor) and a moral duty to the world's most disconnected
>> children.
>
>
>
> Lionel - FYI in the past, I positioned Sugar as an aid to protect & promote
> minority/indigenous languages; doing what the for-profits would never do. A
> key differentiator. The idea was to say that Sugar was translation-ready for
> any language, and that a digital experience could be offered to children in
> support of a minority language.

When standing for SLOBs candidacy in 2013, I posted this statement:
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Cjl/Candidate_Statement

Perhaps my achievements measured against such lofty goals have been
modest, but I remain committed to the same principles I articulated
several years ago.  I'm proud of the work I've done and look forward
to doing more.  I learned a lot about the upstream requirements for
language support and earned a role as a committer in the glibc project
(not the easiest community in the world to join), but a key chokepoint
for getting a language represented in any Linux distro.

> Of course, the reality can be quite different. Many parents and teachers
> associate IT with majority languages (en/es/fr), and see IT as an excellent
> opportunity for children to learn those useful languages. The Madagascar
> deployment is a case in point.

The argument that I would generally make in favor of L10n into
indigenous languages in spite of locally preferred
languages-of-instruction has been the opportunity of out-of-school
usage by family members of a personally-deployed XO laptop.  That is
not always the case for school-captive laptops, but I also believe in
the potential of Sugar to reach people though SOAS and distro packages
where language conservation is a community goal.  Our Maori and
Papiamento work are several such examples.

Tony has clearly spoken of the importance of that funded L10n projects
have clear plan to land in user's hands, in which I concur.  This gets
back to the age-old "feedback from deployments" question that has
dogged Sugar from Day One, to which I can not claim a magic solution,
but past experience has shown that L10n support can be a "foot in the
door" to deployment coordinators (e.g. Armenian, OLPC Mexico
languages, etc.).

> If a clear vision and roadmap can be agreed upon, there can be ample
> requests for resources in support of marketing (teachers) or recruitment
> (developers) or fundraising (donors), and I maintain that translations
> should be a central pillar of those initiatives. The EU for example has many
> projects in support of its 60 minority languages [1]: "decision-making in
> this field [language policy] also falls to education providers, ..."
>
> Sean
>
> 1.
> http://ec.europa.eu/languages/policy/linguistic-diversity/regional-minority-languages_en.htm
>
>
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[IAEP] Vote on Translation-Community Manager motions

[Tony Anderson]

I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of 
Translation-Community Manager as described at 
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.

+1

I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective 
immediately.

+1

I further move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend 
of $1000/month.

+1

Tony
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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Tony Anderson]

HI, Sebastian

The problem is mine. I should have locked the page at the time the 
motions were made. The issue is simply procedural, the motion was to 
approve
the job as described on the page. Like Clinton, using a wiki page was a 
convenience to avoid having to copy it in the motion.


Tony

On 04/06/2016 09:52 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:



El 06/04/16 a las 00:38, Tony Anderson escribió:
The formal motion was sent at 5pm April 5, 2016. It was seconded at 
7:25pm April 5, 2016 (both times EST). Any changes to the TCM job 
description made after the formal motion was submitted and seconded 
should not be considered in votes on the motion. Naturally, if the 
Board thinks changes are needed before the motions can be approved, 
new motions can be made.


Tony___



Hi Tony,

Certainly not the entire wikipage is the job definition being voted 
upon. Much of it are notes gathered from the rest of the Wiki.
In fact if I understood correctly the relevant bits under discussion 
are the Translation Community Manager's Duties. 



The rest of the page is a summary and general information on our 
translation process. So I merely added some references to previous 
work, in my humble view. It was not intended to change the spirit of 
the proposal, but to add relevant information for future readers.


Regards,
Sebastian


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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Laura Vargas]

Hi Tony,

I might not have been clear.

I'm talking about giving a chance to the community members to apply for the
"job".

I can tell many members of the board already have a candidate in mind,
still, in my humble opinion, an opportunity should be given to all
community members to apply.

Cheers,

Laura V

2016-04-07 8:02 GMT+08:00 Tony Anderson :

> Hi, Laura
>
> The simplest answer is that is a part of the job of the TCM not the Board.
>
> Tony
>
>
> On 04/06/2016 11:39 PM, Laura Vargas wrote:
>
> Tony,
>
> What would be in place to explain, is why atfer the creation of the
> position (first motion) SLOBs are not openly requiring proposals from all
> community members and /or any interested party that might be adequate or
> experienced to execute the required functions.
>
> In my opinion public email in IAEP + localization list + 15 -30 days to
> get proposals, should be enough to be called an "open call".
>
> Best regards,
>
> Laura
>
> 2016-04-06 22:44 GMT+08:00 Walter Bender :
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Dave Crossland < 
>> d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 6 April 2016 at 09:42, Walter Bender < 
>>> walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 the traffic on the list is close to nil
>>>
>>>
>>> Does the traffic include deliberation of motions? :)
>>>
>>
>> Never intentionally. When it does happen, we try to catch the mistake,
>> such as Adam reminding Tony to circulate his motion publicly,
>>
>> Also, in answer to an earlier question, yes, the ombudsman is a member of
>> the list.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Laura

The simplest answer is that is a part of the job of the TCM not the Board.

Tony

On 04/06/2016 11:39 PM, Laura Vargas wrote:

Tony,

What would be in place to explain, is why atfer the creation of the 
position (first motion) SLOBs are not openly requiring proposals from 
all community members and /or any interested party that might be 
adequate or experienced to execute the required functions.


In my opinion public email in IAEP + localization list + 15 -30 days 
to get proposals, should be enough to be called an "open call".


Best regards,

Laura

2016-04-06 22:44 GMT+08:00 Walter Bender >:




On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Dave Crossland > wrote:


On 6 April 2016 at 09:42, Walter Bender
> wrote:

the traffic on the list is close to nil


Does the traffic include deliberation of motions? :)


Never intentionally. When it does happen, we try to catch the
mistake, such as Adam reminding Tony to circulate his motion publicly,

Also, in answer to an earlier question, yes, the ombudsman is a
member of the list.

-walter

-walter

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Dave Crossland]

Hi Lionel!

On 6 April 2016 at 15:56, Lionel Laské  wrote:

> I'm just considering that the limited resources of SugarLabs should be
> dedicated in priority to increase the community and I'm not convinced at
> all that translation is the better way. At least the ratio cost to invest
> (12000$/year) vs result in community improvement is not in favor of the
> motion for me. In short: money could be better invest elsewhere (marketing,
> events, school kit, ...).


I had been pondering the same thing in terms of thinking about SL 2016-2020
strategy when considering the wisdom of paying for translation labour.

But http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager has already
dealt with this. It says,

The Sugar Labs Oversight Board must affirm continuation (or renewal) of the
contract before the end of each 4-month cycle.


So, risk posed by the 3 motions in this thread is that $4k will be spent
and nothing will happen, or that something luke warm will happen in the
first cycle and the SLOBs will give Chris a 2nd round. We are already into
the 4th month, so there's only 2 more 4 month cycles left this year (since
December is a wash with vacations pretty much everywhere Christianity
touched.) So we're looking at spending $8k for 2 TCM cycles this year.

To know if that is a lot of money or a little, it has to be contextualised.
In terms of the budget for by buddy who is a freelance author, its a couple
of months worth of income, a big amount. In terms of the budget I manage
for one of my IT consulting clients, its a rounding error.

So, for Sugar Labs today, here in early 2016 - there's a good stack of
benjamins here! SL has sort of "limited resources," but we are looking at
5% or 10% of the capital base. A couple of years ago, $8k would have been
30% of the base, and in that case, I totally agree, more care could be
spent on considering the opportunity costs.

But here today, I think there is much more risk in NOT spending the 4 or 8
big ones. It will suck for the people who have done the legwork to get us
to where we are today on this position, and decelerating the momentum of
the community generally at the moment would be unwise.

We know that Samson is drafting his application for a translation project,
that will likely perform much better with a TCM in place. That is another
$12k. If there is no TCM, that puts his project at risk if it is funded, or
might make it impossible for the SLOB to agree to fund his project. I don't
think that would be good.

You mention the opportunity costs, but
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager says the 2nd
duty of the TCM will be to

Advise the Sugar Labs Oversight Board of supporting projects that need
funding and to manage these projects, if approved;


I note that it does not say "supporting translation projects," just
"supporting projects."

Well, as Adam says, the Trip Advisor money was intended to be used on
translation. Even if there is technically no binding agreement for it to be
used that way, at least SOME of it ought to be used that way, and I think
translation can be made part of pretty much anything. Here's a few ideas
that I can think of immediately as I write this email :)

- The Treasurer office has to be funded to be filled, and since disbursing
funds for translation projects requires a Treasurer, then if TA funds are
used to fill that office, than even though that paid time is used on
disbursing funds for non-translation projects, it is required for the
translation projects to happen so Trip Advisor's intent in honoured.
Similarly shelling out for new servers - or a professional system
administrator to go on site and reinstall the servers from scratch, given
they are probably rootkitted - is pretty important to keep the whole ship
afloat.

- Last night I threw out the idea of filing a gap in the OER landscape for
learning material on how to start a successful small co-operative
non-profit business, which local labs could use. If a local lab will put
the translation of Sugar Desktop and Sugarizer and X-Y Activities on its
annual goals, but needs such an OER to be made in a booksprint, then using
the funds from TA on the book sprint seems okay to me.

- Spending funds from TA on buying up some T shirt stocks to sell on the
website - if the T shirt text was to be translated into every locale we
have more than 50% Sugar Desktop translation?

- A travel bursary for a translation sprint that just so happens to be the
few days prior to the annual Sugar Labs Summit.

So I imagine there are LOTS of things a TCM can energies that can involve
translation and fit the TCM remit, but have real impact in other areas of
the project too, such as those you mentioned.

Finally, reiterating my point to Samson, my hope is that each paid TCM will
actually pay for themselves by organizing translation projects that bring
even more benjamins in the door.
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Sean DALY]

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:32 PM, Adam Holt  wrote:

> Thanks Lionel for taking time to vote your conscience even despite others
> of us who believe we have a legal/fiduciary obligation to our biggest
> investor (Trip Advisor) and a moral duty to the world's most disconnected
> children.
>


Lionel - FYI in the past, I positioned Sugar as an aid to protect & promote
minority/indigenous languages; doing what the for-profits would never do. A
key differentiator. The idea was to say that Sugar was translation-ready
for any language, and that a digital experience could be offered to
children in support of a minority language.

Of course, the reality can be quite different. Many parents and teachers
associate IT with majority languages (en/es/fr), and see IT as an excellent
opportunity for children to learn those useful languages. The Madagascar
deployment is a case in point.

If a clear vision and roadmap can be agreed upon, there can be ample
requests for resources in support of marketing (teachers) or recruitment
(developers) or fundraising (donors), and I maintain that translations
should be a central pillar of those initiatives. The EU for example has
many projects in support of its 60 minority languages [1]: "decision-making
in this field [language policy] also falls to education providers, ..."

Sean

1.
http://ec.europa.eu/languages/policy/linguistic-diversity/regional-minority-languages_en.htm
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Adam Holt]

On Apr 6, 2016 3:57 PM, "Lionel Laské"  wrote:
>
>
> Sorry to say that I don't add my vote to the motions:
>
> I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
Translation-Community Manager as described at
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.
> -1
>
> I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective
immediately.
> -1
>
> I further move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend
of $1000/month.
> -1
>
> I really admire the work done by Chris Leonard from the beginning, no
question about its motivation, capacity and dedication to the project. It's
the better guy for the job.
>
> I'm just considering that the limited resources of SugarLabs should be
dedicated in priority to increase the community and I'm not convinced at
all that translation is the better way. At least the ratio cost to invest
(12000$/year) vs result in community improvement is not in favor of the
motion for me. In short: money could be better invest elsewhere (marketing,
events, school kit, ...).
>
> Best regards.
>
> Lionel.

Thanks Lionel for taking time to vote your conscience even despite others
of us who believe we have a legal/fiduciary obligation to our biggest
investor (Trip Advisor) and a moral duty to the world's most disconnected
children.

> 2016-04-06 17:51 GMT+02:00 Claudia Urrea :
>>
>> Following Jose Miguel and adding my vote.
>>
>> I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
Translation-Community Manager as described at
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.
>> +1
>>
>> I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective
immediately.
>> +1
>>
>> I further move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend
of $1000/month.
>> +1
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Claudia
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:04 AM, José Miguel García <
josemig...@argos.edu.uy> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hola!
>>>
>>> Volviendo al tema que originó esta cadena de correos:
>>>
>>> I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
Translation-Community Manager as described at
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.
>>> +1
>>>
>>> I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective
immediately.
>>> +1
>>>
>>> I further move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend
of $1000/month.
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Saludos
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ___
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>>> Montevideo - Uruguay
>>>
>>> 2016-04-06 11:44 GMT-03:00 Walter Bender :



 On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>
> On 6 April 2016 at 09:42, Walter Bender 
wrote:
>>
>> the traffic on the list is close to nil
>
>
> Does the traffic include deliberation of motions? :)


 Never intentionally. When it does happen, we try to catch the mistake,
such as Adam reminding Tony to circulate his motion publicly,

 Also, in answer to an earlier question, yes, the ombudsman is a member
of the list.

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Lionel Laské]

Sorry to say that I don't add my vote to the motions:

I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
Translation-Community Manager as described at
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.
-1

I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective
immediately.
-1

I further move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of
$1000/month.
-1

I really admire the work done by Chris Leonard from the beginning, no
question about its motivation, capacity and dedication to the project. It's
the better guy for the job.

I'm just considering that the limited resources of SugarLabs should be
dedicated in priority to increase the community and I'm not convinced at
all that translation is the better way. At least the ratio cost to invest
(12000$/year) vs result in community improvement is not in favor of the
motion for me. In short: money could be better invest elsewhere (marketing,
events, school kit, ...).

Best regards.

Lionel.


2016-04-06 17:51 GMT+02:00 Claudia Urrea :

> Following Jose Miguel and adding my vote.
>
> I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
> Translation-Community Manager as described at
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.
> +1
>
> I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective
> immediately.
> +1
>
> I further move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of
> $1000/month.
> +1
>
> Best,
>
> Claudia
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:04 AM, José Miguel García <
> josemig...@argos.edu.uy> wrote:
>
>> Hola!
>>
>> Volviendo al tema que originó esta cadena de correos:
>>
>> I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
>> Translation-Community Manager as described at
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.
>> +1
>>
>> I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective
>> immediately.
>> +1
>>
>> I further move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend
>> of $1000/month.
>> +1
>>
>> Saludos
>>
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Lic. José Miguel García
>> Montevideo - Uruguay
>>
>> 2016-04-06 11:44 GMT-03:00 Walter Bender :
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>>>

 On 6 April 2016 at 09:42, Walter Bender 
 wrote:

> the traffic on the list is close to nil


 Does the traffic include deliberation of motions? :)

>>>
>>> Never intentionally. When it does happen, we try to catch the mistake,
>>> such as Adam reminding Tony to circulate his motion publicly,
>>>
>>> Also, in answer to an earlier question, yes, the ombudsman is a member
>>> of the list.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Laura Vargas]

Tony,

What would be in place to explain, is why atfer the creation of the
position (first motion) SLOBs are not openly requiring proposals from all
community members and /or any interested party that might be adequate or
experienced to execute the required functions.

In my opinion public email in IAEP + localization list + 15 -30 days to get
proposals, should be enough to be called an "open call".

Best regards,

Laura

2016-04-06 22:44 GMT+08:00 Walter Bender :

>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 6 April 2016 at 09:42, Walter Bender  wrote:
>>
>>> the traffic on the list is close to nil
>>
>>
>> Does the traffic include deliberation of motions? :)
>>
>
> Never intentionally. When it does happen, we try to catch the mistake,
> such as Adam reminding Tony to circulate his motion publicly,
>
> Also, in answer to an earlier question, yes, the ombudsman is a member of
> the list.
>
> -walter
>
> -walter
>
> -walter
>
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Dave Crossland]

On 6 April 2016 at 10:44, Walter Bender  wrote:

> Does the traffic include deliberation of motions? :)
>>
>
> Never intentionally. When it does happen, we try to catch the mistake,
> such as Adam reminding Tony to circulate his motion publicly,
>

I think this is all good, then :D

On 6 April 2016 at 03:25, James Cameron  wrote:

> Wiki technology is a bad match for decision making bodies unless clear
> processes are used.
>

https://www.loomio.org could be better than wiki + irc + email.
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Adam Holt]

Congratulations Chris Leonard, Tony Anderson & All for making this happen:
unleashing translation community+infra+results along a road that will have
its bumps for a reason -- so remote kids who have NO opportunities for
education beyond their mother tongue can at last be taken seriously.

Final votes will be most appreciated (yes, no or abstain) from Sameer,
Lionel, Claudia and of course Tony (in support of his own motions) before
voting closes Tues Apr 12th.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:04 AM, José Miguel García  wrote:

> Hola!
>
> Volviendo al tema que originó esta cadena de correos:
>
> I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
> Translation-Community Manager as described at
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.
> +1
>
> I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective
> immediately.
> +1
>
> I further move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of
> $1000/month.
> +1
>
> Saludos
>
>
>
> ___
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> Montevideo - Uruguay
>
> 2016-04-06 11:44 GMT-03:00 Walter Bender :
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 6 April 2016 at 09:42, Walter Bender  wrote:
>>>
 the traffic on the list is close to nil
>>>
>>>
>>> Does the traffic include deliberation of motions? :)
>>>
>>
>> Never intentionally. When it does happen, we try to catch the mistake,
>> such as Adam reminding Tony to circulate his motion publicly,
>>
>> Also, in answer to an earlier question, yes, the ombudsman is a member of
>> the list.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Walter Bender]

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

>
> On 6 April 2016 at 09:42, Walter Bender  wrote:
>
>> the traffic on the list is close to nil
>
>
> Does the traffic include deliberation of motions? :)
>

Never intentionally. When it does happen, we try to catch the mistake, such
as Adam reminding Tony to circulate his motion publicly,

Also, in answer to an earlier question, yes, the ombudsman is a member of
the list.

-walter

-walter

-walter



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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Dave Crossland]

On 6 April 2016 at 09:42, Walter Bender  wrote:

> the traffic on the list is close to nil


Does the traffic include deliberation of motions? :)
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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Sebastian Silva]

El 06/04/16 a las 07:45, Dave Crossland escribió:
>
> On 6 April 2016 at 03:25, James Cameron  > wrote:
>
> The hiding of SLOBs deliberations once they move to their private
> mailing list
>
>
> Why is the SLOB list private?
>
There is actually explicit Sugar Labs principles regarding this. We are
supposed to be an "Open Organization" as defined here:
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs#Principles - Especially the
section called "information".

I thought I remembered some language in this direction in
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board but I can't find it.
Anyhow I expect SLOBS members to be aware of this policy and only use
private channels where it is otherwise impossible to be open.

That said, I have not read anything from several slobs on public lists,
ever.


  Principles

In order for Sugar to be successful, it needs the participation of a
large number of people who share common goals while maintaining
independence, so that each participant has the ability to act
independently. For these reasons, Sugar Labs subscribes to the
principles described here
,
which are the author's own translation of anoriginal text in Spanish.



Identity

  * Clear mission – Fully disclosed objectives.
  * Declared commitments – Affinities and aversions explained.
  * Declared outside connections – Relationships with other
organizations explicitly listed.


Structure

  * Horizontal organization – Teams and facilitators work on
responsibilities and agreements.
  * Identified contributors – Who is who, people are reachable.
  * Clear responsibilities – Who is in charge of what.
  * Activities described – All of the ongoing work is acknowledged.

See Wiki Structure
 for a
guide to how the wiki models Sugar Labs' structure.


Operation

  * Open participation – Anybody can access the information and get a
first responsibility.
  * Meritocracy – Responsibilities are acquired (or lost) based on one's
skills, results, and contributors’ support.
  * Voluntary (non-)engagement – Nobody is forced to be involved or to
keep responsibilities.


Information

  * Regular reports – Reported activities and future plans allow
monitoring and participation.
  * Information accessible – Even internal operational information is
available by default.

We try to operate /*en plein air

*/.

  * Explicit confidentiality – It is explained what matters are
confidential, why, and who can access them.


Goods

  * Economic model – Feasibility and sustainability plans are exposed.
(Please see/contribute to the discussionhere
.)
  * Resources – Inventory of items detailing who contributed what and why.
  * Public accounts – It’s clear where the money comes from and where it
goes.
  * A special thanks
 to our
contributors.



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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Sebastian Silva]

I would've expected the Ombudsman to also be subscribed.

El 06/04/16 a las 09:02, Adam Holt escribió:
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Walter Bender  > wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Sean DALY  > wrote:
>
> as a former SLOB, I could say that in the past this was
> because some matters involving OLPC, or embargoed press
> information, or a partnership with a third party, required
> confidentiality.
>
> Perhaps today's SLOBs have a different point of view
>
>
> That mostly sums things up. That said, the traffic on the list is
> close to nil. I generally use it as a CC to ensure that SLOB
> members see things, such as meeting notifications.
>
>
> Just for clarity, are there 9 people who currently have access to
> sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org  ?  This
> is my understanding (7 elected + 2 paid SFConservancy leaders) but if
> I'm completely wrong it would be good to know :)
>
> 7 elected to SL board:
>
> - Tony Anderson
> - Walter Bender
> - José Miguel García
> - Adam Holt
> - Lionel Laské
> - Claudia Urrea
> - Sameer Verma
>
> 2 paid SFConservancy.org leaders:
>
> - Karen Sandler (Executive Director)
> - Bradley Kuhn (President and Distinguished Technologist, and de facto
> bookkeeper)
>
> Speaking of which, I managed to mess up (yet again) with the time
> for the most recent meeting of SLOB. It should have been scheduled
> at 16UTC, not 19UTC, as this is the time we had agreed to. Let's
> go back to 16UTC beginning next month.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Dave Crossland  > wrote:
>
>
> On 6 April 2016 at 03:25, James Cameron  > wrote:
>
> The hiding of SLOBs deliberations once they move to
> their private
> mailing list
>
>
> Why is the SLOB list private?
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Adam Holt]

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Sean DALY  wrote:
>
>> as a former SLOB, I could say that in the past this was because some
>> matters involving OLPC, or embargoed press information, or a partnership
>> with a third party, required confidentiality.
>>
>> Perhaps today's SLOBs have a different point of view
>>
>>
> That mostly sums things up. That said, the traffic on the list is close to
> nil. I generally use it as a CC to ensure that SLOB members see things,
> such as meeting notifications.
>

Just for clarity, are there 9 people who currently have access to
sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org ?  This is my understanding (7 elected + 2 paid
SFConservancy leaders) but if I'm completely wrong it would be good to know
:)

7 elected to SL board:

- Tony Anderson
- Walter Bender
- José Miguel García
- Adam Holt
- Lionel Laské
- Claudia Urrea
- Sameer Verma

2 paid SFConservancy.org leaders:

- Karen Sandler (Executive Director)
- Bradley Kuhn (President and Distinguished Technologist, and de facto
bookkeeper)

Speaking of which, I managed to mess up (yet again) with the time for the
> most recent meeting of SLOB. It should have been scheduled at 16UTC, not
> 19UTC, as this is the time we had agreed to. Let's go back to 16UTC
> beginning next month.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> Sean
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 6 April 2016 at 03:25, James Cameron  wrote:
>>>
 The hiding of SLOBs deliberations once they move to their private
 mailing list

>>>
>>> Why is the SLOB list private?
>>>
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>>
>>
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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Sebastian Silva]

El 06/04/16 a las 00:38, Tony Anderson escribió:
> The formal motion was sent at 5pm April 5, 2016. It was seconded at
> 7:25pm April 5, 2016 (both times EST). Any changes to the TCM job
> description made after the formal motion was submitted and seconded
> should not be considered in votes on the motion. Naturally, if the
> Board thinks changes are needed before the motions can be approved,
> new motions can be made.
>
> Tony___
>

Hi Tony,

Certainly not the entire wikipage is the job definition being voted
upon. Much of it are notes gathered from the rest of the Wiki.
In fact if I understood correctly the relevant bits under discussion are
the Translation Community Manager's Duties.


The rest of the page is a summary and general information on our
translation process. So I merely added some references to previous work,
in my humble view. It was not intended to change the spirit of the
proposal, but to add relevant information for future readers.

Regards,
Sebastian

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Walter Bender]

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Sean DALY  wrote:

> as a former SLOB, I could say that in the past this was because some
> matters involving OLPC, or embargoed press information, or a partnership
> with a third party, required confidentiality.
>
> Perhaps today's SLOBs have a different point of view
>
>
That mostly sums things up. That said, the traffic on the list is close to
nil. I generally use it as a CC to ensure that SLOB members see things,
such as meeting notifications.

Speaking of which, I managed to mess up (yet again) with the time for the
most recent meeting of SLOB. It should have been scheduled at 16UTC, not
19UTC, as this is the time we had agreed to. Let's go back to 16UTC
beginning next month.

regards.

-walter

Sean
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 6 April 2016 at 03:25, James Cameron  wrote:
>>
>>> The hiding of SLOBs deliberations once they move to their private
>>> mailing list
>>>
>>
>> Why is the SLOB list private?
>>
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>


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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Sean DALY]

as a former SLOB, I could say that in the past this was because some
matters involving OLPC, or embargoed press information, or a partnership
with a third party, required confidentiality.

Perhaps today's SLOBs have a different point of view

Sean


On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

>
> On 6 April 2016 at 03:25, James Cameron  wrote:
>
>> The hiding of SLOBs deliberations once they move to their private
>> mailing list
>>
>
> Why is the SLOB list private?
>
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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Walter Bender]

+1 from me for all three motions (based on the 5 April version of the
document).

-walter

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 5:32 AM, Tony Anderson  wrote:

> I submitted motions to the Board as follows:
>
> I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
> Translation-Community Manager as described at
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.
>
> I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective
> immediately.
>
> At Adam's request, I am adding a third motion:
>
> I move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of $1000
> per month.
>
> I would like to call for seconds to these motions.
>
>
> Tony
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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Dave Crossland]

On 6 April 2016 at 03:25, James Cameron  wrote:

> The hiding of SLOBs deliberations once they move to their private
> mailing list
>

Why is the SLOB list private?
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Re: [IAEP] FW: Commenting on Treasurer Motions Enabled!

[Dave Crossland]

On 6 April 2016 at 04:58, Sean DALY  wrote:

>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>> I agree that it would be awesome if someone holding the Treasurer office
>> was also actively fund raising for the project!
>>
>
>
> Fundraising requires a clear vision & roadmap - positioning, technical -
> and the associated marketing materials (read: expenses). And, of course,
> someone organized enough to find prospects / develop suspects / select
> leads / cultivate opportunities - the sales cycle is time-consuming. FLOSS
> projects are not historically strong in this. But the TA grant is a
> fabulous success in adverse circumstances, and can be a springboard.
>

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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, James

My apologies. I am new to this and have made a lot of mistakes. However, 
I don't believe it is fair to accuse me of 'hiding' anything.


As you know following my first meeting in February, I posted a 
conglomeration of the ideas thrown out as to the position 
(http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Proposal).


At the March meeting, the I18n position was tabled for the April meeting.

At the April meeting, the item was again tabled with a specific request 
to write up the job description and a list of those on my informal 
mailing list. I did that the following morning by writing and posting 
the page (http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Manager) which has 
evolved to the Translation-Community_Manager).


I sent a notification to the SLOBs list and to my informal list. This 
was a serious error. This email should have been sent to iaep and 
localization, at least. At the time I was responding to a task assigned 
at the meeting and so used the SLOBs list. I wasn't aware that this list 
is secret.


On Monday and Tuesday, I was involved in a personal commitment which 
gave Walter and Adam an opportunity to edit the document. I also fixed 
some typos.


At Walter's request, I made the formal motions. Those I believe should 
go to the SLOBs list. However, Adam and Caryl requested that the motions 
be posted on the iaep and localization lists which I did.


Certainly none of these snafus reflect in any way on Chris Leonard or 
his leadership.


Tony

On 04/06/2016 03:25 PM, James Cameron wrote:

I'm not sure the translation team wants to be led in that way, and I'd
not like to lose volunteers.  We have so few.

The hiding of SLOBs deliberations once they move to their private
mailing list caused this situation; Wiki technology is a bad match for
decision making bodies unless clear processes are used.  There was
nothing in the history of the page to indicate it was part of a
motion.

I'd like to see some more transparency.

On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 02:58:21PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:

My point is that the motion was based on the wording of the document
at the time it was made. Amendments after the motion is made are
really out of order.
Luckily, the Wiki technology lets readers see the document as it was
at the time of the motion.

Naturally, the intent is that the TCM will lead the translation
team. My view is prejudiced, but I thought the wording made that
very clear.

Tony

On 04/06/2016 02:20 PM, James Cameron wrote:

I take it to mean that you intend that the translation team be
eclipsed by the translation community manager?  That's unfortunate.

On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 01:38:46PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:

The formal motion was sent at 5pm April 5, 2016. It was seconded at 7:25pm
April 5, 2016 (both times EST). Any changes to the TCM job description made
after the formal motion was submitted and seconded should not be considered in
votes on the motion. Naturally, if the Board thinks changes are needed before
the motions can be approved, new motions can be made.

Tony

On 04/06/2016 12:47 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:

 Hello,

 I made a small contribution to the Translation Community Manager page, as
 follows:

 In the first paragraph, I added the following, just to clarify what the
 page was about:
 This is a paid delegation currently being debated by SLOBs.

 More importantly, I added a second paragraph to link to previous
 structures:
 This delegation is not meant to eclipse [1]Translation Team, its [2]
 coordinators, or any other party interested in helping out with
 localization.
 I hope it is taken well. It does not modify the motions in place at all.

 Regards,
 Sebastian

 El 05/04/16 a las 04:32, Tony Anderson escribió:

 I submitted motions to the Board as follows:

 I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
 Translation-Community Manager as described at [3][4]http://
 wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.

 I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective
 immediately.

 At Adam's request, I am adding a third motion:

 I move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of
 $1000 per month.

 I would like to call for seconds to these motions.

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References:

[1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team
[2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team/Coordinator
[3] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager
[4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager
[5] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
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Re: [IAEP] FW: Commenting on Treasurer Motions Enabled!

[Sean DALY]

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 10:19 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> I agree that it would be awesome if someone holding the Treasurer office
> was also actively fund raising for the project!
>


Fundraising requires a clear vision & roadmap - positioning, technical -
and the associated marketing materials (read: expenses). And, of course,
someone organized enough to find prospects / develop suspects / select
leads / cultivate opportunities - the sales cycle is time-consuming. FLOSS
projects are not historically strong in this. But the TA grant is a
fabulous success in adverse circumstances, and can be a springboard.

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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[James Cameron]

I'm not sure the translation team wants to be led in that way, and I'd
not like to lose volunteers.  We have so few.

The hiding of SLOBs deliberations once they move to their private
mailing list caused this situation; Wiki technology is a bad match for
decision making bodies unless clear processes are used.  There was
nothing in the history of the page to indicate it was part of a
motion.

I'd like to see some more transparency.

On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 02:58:21PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:
> My point is that the motion was based on the wording of the document
> at the time it was made. Amendments after the motion is made are
> really out of order.
> Luckily, the Wiki technology lets readers see the document as it was
> at the time of the motion.
> 
> Naturally, the intent is that the TCM will lead the translation
> team. My view is prejudiced, but I thought the wording made that
> very clear.
> 
> Tony
> 
> On 04/06/2016 02:20 PM, James Cameron wrote:
> >I take it to mean that you intend that the translation team be
> >eclipsed by the translation community manager?  That's unfortunate.
> >
> >On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 01:38:46PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:
> >>The formal motion was sent at 5pm April 5, 2016. It was seconded at 7:25pm
> >>April 5, 2016 (both times EST). Any changes to the TCM job description made
> >>after the formal motion was submitted and seconded should not be considered 
> >>in
> >>votes on the motion. Naturally, if the Board thinks changes are needed 
> >>before
> >>the motions can be approved, new motions can be made.
> >>
> >>Tony
> >>
> >>On 04/06/2016 12:47 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I made a small contribution to the Translation Community Manager page, 
> >> as
> >> follows:
> >>
> >> In the first paragraph, I added the following, just to clarify what the
> >> page was about:
> >> This is a paid delegation currently being debated by SLOBs.
> >>
> >> More importantly, I added a second paragraph to link to previous
> >> structures:
> >> This delegation is not meant to eclipse [1]Translation Team, its [2]
> >> coordinators, or any other party interested in helping out with
> >> localization.
> >> I hope it is taken well. It does not modify the motions in place at 
> >> all.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Sebastian
> >>
> >> El 05/04/16 a las 04:32, Tony Anderson escribió:
> >>
> >> I submitted motions to the Board as follows:
> >>
> >> I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
> >> Translation-Community Manager as described at [3][4]http://
> >> wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.
> >>
> >> I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position 
> >> effective
> >> immediately.
> >>
> >> At Adam's request, I am adding a third motion:
> >>
> >> I move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of
> >> $1000 per month.
> >>
> >> I would like to call for seconds to these motions.
> >>
> >> Tony
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> >>
> >>References:
> >>
> >>[1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team
> >>[2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team/Coordinator
> >>[3] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager
> >>[4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager
> >>[5] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> >>[6] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
> >>___
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> >
> 

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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[Tony Anderson]

My point is that the motion was based on the wording of the document at 
the time it was made. Amendments after the motion is made are really out 
of order.
Luckily, the Wiki technology lets readers see the document as it was at 
the time of the motion.


Naturally, the intent is that the TCM will lead the translation team. My 
view is prejudiced, but I thought the wording made that very clear.


Tony

On 04/06/2016 02:20 PM, James Cameron wrote:

I take it to mean that you intend that the translation team be
eclipsed by the translation community manager?  That's unfortunate.

On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 01:38:46PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:

The formal motion was sent at 5pm April 5, 2016. It was seconded at 7:25pm
April 5, 2016 (both times EST). Any changes to the TCM job description made
after the formal motion was submitted and seconded should not be considered in
votes on the motion. Naturally, if the Board thinks changes are needed before
the motions can be approved, new motions can be made.

Tony

On 04/06/2016 12:47 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:

 Hello,

 I made a small contribution to the Translation Community Manager page, as
 follows:

 In the first paragraph, I added the following, just to clarify what the
 page was about:
 This is a paid delegation currently being debated by SLOBs.

 More importantly, I added a second paragraph to link to previous
 structures:
 This delegation is not meant to eclipse [1]Translation Team, its [2]
 coordinators, or any other party interested in helping out with
 localization.
  
 I hope it is taken well. It does not modify the motions in place at all.


 Regards,
 Sebastian

 El 05/04/16 a las 04:32, Tony Anderson escribió:

 I submitted motions to the Board as follows:

 I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
 Translation-Community Manager as described at [3][4]http://
 wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.

 I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective
 immediately.

 At Adam's request, I am adding a third motion:

 I move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of
 $1000 per month.

 I would like to call for seconds to these motions.

 Tony
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References:

[1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team
[2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team/Coordinator
[3] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager
[4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager
[5] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
[6] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
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Re: [IAEP] Motions to create position of Translation-Community Manager

[James Cameron]

I take it to mean that you intend that the translation team be
eclipsed by the translation community manager?  That's unfortunate.

On Wed, Apr 06, 2016 at 01:38:46PM +0800, Tony Anderson wrote:
> The formal motion was sent at 5pm April 5, 2016. It was seconded at 7:25pm
> April 5, 2016 (both times EST). Any changes to the TCM job description made
> after the formal motion was submitted and seconded should not be considered in
> votes on the motion. Naturally, if the Board thinks changes are needed before
> the motions can be approved, new motions can be made.
> 
> Tony
> 
> On 04/06/2016 12:47 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I made a small contribution to the Translation Community Manager page, as
> follows:
> 
> In the first paragraph, I added the following, just to clarify what the
> page was about:
> This is a paid delegation currently being debated by SLOBs.
> 
> More importantly, I added a second paragraph to link to previous
> structures:
> This delegation is not meant to eclipse [1]Translation Team, its [2]
> coordinators, or any other party interested in helping out with
> localization.
>  
> I hope it is taken well. It does not modify the motions in place at all.
> 
> Regards,
> Sebastian
> 
> El 05/04/16 a las 04:32, Tony Anderson escribió:
> 
> I submitted motions to the Board as follows:
> 
> I move that the SugarLabs Oversight Board approve the position of
> Translation-Community Manager as described at [3][4]http://
> wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager.
> 
> I further move that Chris Leonard be named to this position effective
> immediately.
> 
> At Adam's request, I am adding a third motion:
> 
> I move that the Translation-Community Manager be paid a stipend of
> $1000 per month.
> 
> I would like to call for seconds to these motions.
> 
> Tony
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> 
> References:
> 
> [1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team
> [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation_Team/Coordinator
> [3] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager
> [4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager
> [5] mailto:IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org
> [6] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

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