[IAEP] ANNC: Internet-in-a-Box 7.0 for $35 Raspberry Pi 4

[Adam Holt]

*Install Internet-in-a-Box 3X Faster on Raspberry Pi 4*

*F**or Rural Schools, Libraries and Medical Clinics*

When clickbait-driven misinformation puts journalism, human rights (and
democracy itself) at risk — where do we turn?

Communities around the planet are taking the future into their own hands —
crafting their own purpose-built digital libraries to...

*Bring essential / endangered / indigenous knowledge and learning rights to
life*

*Announcing Internet-in-a-Box 7.0 — with offline Wikipedia, offline Khan
Academy, RACHEL content packs — and tons more...*

   - Pick a subset of the Internet Archive Offline
   

from
   some of the greatest libraries around the world.
   - Install an IIAB Map Pack  for
   your favorite continent, with satellite photos across 10 levels of zoom,
   and natural/human geography visible across 15-to-19 levels of zoom.
   (OpenStreetMap vector maps are like Google Maps, but better⁠ for schools
   especially⁠, as they work offline and avoid the advertising!)
   - Involve MediaMaking tools⁠ like Nextcloud 17's offline collaboratives
   editor  (like Google Docs) helping
   students learn modern/team workflows.
   - Explore electronics projects with Node-Red 1.0
    flow-based /
   event-driven visual programming.
   - Set up an "offline GitHub"
    to
   teach coding-with-a-conscience where there's no Internet, nurturing the
   next generation of free and open developers!

DIY'ing your own "Library of Alexandria" is that easy — for any local schools,
libraries, health clinics and/or family of your choosing.

Simply drag and drop the best of the World Free Knowledge Content Packs,
using Internet-in-a-Box installed on any $35 Raspberry Pi 4 computer:

*Building your own offline library is now easier than ever*

Thanks Everyone for weaving in the (g)local knowledge ecosystems that
matter most — both the Internet's crown jewels (Wikipedia, OpenStreetMap,
Khan Academy, etc) AND countless lesser-known environmental /
indigenous cultural
content vitals.

You can even update to the latest Content Packs, bringing your rural
Internet-in-a-Box into the city every semester, using almost any home
Internet connection e.g. to download the very latest Wikipedia etc!

Please read about Internet-in-a-Box 7.0's new capabilities making this all
possible: *IIAB 7.0 Release Notes*


And try it out, asking us

any
questions!

Internet-in-a-Box (IIAB) 7.0 represents 7+ months of work since IIAB 6.7 — and
we're very proud to offer this to you for free!

Thanks to some amazing free/open source work from professional volunteers
around the world
, who are
servicing and learning from the more than 20 countries
 where
IIAB is in use, in partially offline and fully offline environments both.

And...if you're not yet familiar with Internet-in-a-Box (IIAB), watch our
videos to get acquainted: *http://internet-in-a-box.org
*

*Last but not least, consider our personal INVITATION...*

1) The Internet-in-a-Box (IIAB) Community Summit will be in Boston November
7-10, in conjunction with Wikipedia North America's
http://wikiconference.org at MIT.  To attend, please reply privately to
this email, so we can help you make arrangements.  Building on our 2017
http://OFF.NETWORK  "med/ucational" content hackathon,
we'll demo our new offline versions of
https://en.unesco.org/womeninafrica/ inviting
all to do similar, learning how easy it is to now *roll your own*
environmental/indigenous/etc
Content Packs!

2) Whether you're on the technology, humanitarian or field implementation
side of learning rights, do consider helping us refine the upcoming IIAB 7.1
.  Here's a list of just a few of
the advances

now
being considered and worked on, that we'd really love your help
architecting and polishing for early 2020!

3) Join any of our Thursday Internet-in-a-Box Live Community Calls (
http://minutes.iiab.io) to learn about and contribute to everyone's
high-quality free and open knowledge ecosystems — typically held 10AM NYC
Time — in alliance with Wikipedia, Kiwix, OpenStreetMap, Kolibri (formerly
Khan Academy Lite) and amazing others~
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Re: [IAEP] [Marketing] Sugar Labs at SCaLE 17x post-conference summary

[Adam Holt]

Alex, Caryl & All did an amazing job pulling this together.

It really is a new era when many people came by who were born after OLPC's
mass production era, had never heard of OLPC at all (or perhaps completely
forgot about it a dozen years later...)

While we could not be there the entire 4 days, Fri-Sat-Sun each generated a
ton of very thoughtful interest in Sugar, Internet-in-a-Box and many
difficult democratized/global learning questions in general — more so than
in prior years interestingly!

Perhaps the world is a "smaller place" than when OLPC/Sugar began in the
2000s, now approaching its 3rd decade (2020-2030) with a more grounded
sense of impactful idealism than when it all began.


On Tue, Mar 12, 2019, 1:52 PM Alex Perez  wrote:

> We had a successful presence at the Southern California Linux Expo, and
> booth visitors chose to take several hundred business cards with Sugar
> Labs, Sugarizer, Sugar On a Stick, and Internet In A Box logos. In
> attendance were myself, my wife, Caryl Bigenho, her lovely husband, and
> Adam Holt, all of whom were stationed at the booth to interact with and
> answer questions from the attendees.
>
> Estimated attendee count for SCaLE 17x
> <https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/blog/scale-17x> was around 3,000. Despite
> being crammed in the rear corner of the exhibit hall, we had a lot of foot
> traffic, and general interest. We gave away just under 500
> sugarlabs.org-branded promotional items, which was a sugarlabs.org-branded
> LED light and whistle key chain item, as well as several hundred "business
> cards", which you can view below.
>
> We had six OLPCs on display, including one XO-4, two XO-1.75's, and an
> XO-1.5, all of which could be interacted with by visitors, and had a lot of
> kids (I'd guess at least a hundred) stop by and play with the OLPCs. We
> briefly explained what Sugar was to adults and children alike, and
> encouraged them to try it out for themselves on the machines, as well as by
> download Sugar on a Stick.
>
> We also had Sugarizer on demo on an iPad and Google Nexus 7 tablet, as
> well as a new $200 HP laptop running Sugar on a Stick, to demonstrate how
> easy it is to run Sugar on commodity hardware.
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>
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Re: [IAEP] [UKids] Where I download KA Lite zip file in Spanish

[Adam Holt]

On Mon, Mar 11, 2019, 9:31 PM Steve Thomas  wrote:

> Perfect.  Found it, thanks.
>
> Also realized Wifi wasn't working was that is was being used for the
> hotspot.  Can you point me to directions to turn the hotspot off/on so I
> can use the WiFi for download? Tried a couple things from admin console but
> no luck.  Was going to try George Hunt's xs-hotspot-off, but wasn't sure if
> it was for XO only.
>

The equivalent 2 commands (can be run as part of Internet-in-a-Box/IIAB 7.0
master branch pre-releases) are:

   /usr/bin/iiab-hotspot-off
   /usr/bin/iiab-hotspot-on

Sometimes a reboot is also necessary, after running either of the above.

They've been improved over the last month, so please do _not_ rely on these
as part of older IIAB 6.7 installations.

These are simple bash scripts, whose internals can be seen here:

https://github.com/iiab/iiab/blob/master/roles/network/templates/network/iiab-hotspot-off
https://github.com/iiab/iiab/blob/master/roles/network/templates/network/iiab-hotspot-on

Finally, here's a command that helps you monitor whether running these was
successful:

   brctl show


Thanks
> Stephen
>
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 19:28 Adam Holt  wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> There's extensive documentation on KA Lite tips & tricks for
>> Internet-in-a-Box at http://FAQ.IIAB.IO #32
>>
>> ("KA Lite Administration: What tips & tricks exist?")
>>
>> Read those 30-or-so lines from top to bottom, as so many others have
>> fallen in these kinds of KA Lite content installation & configuration traps
>> over the years, that you can save yourself a *Lot* of hassle by avoiding
>> their mistakes (:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 6:40 PM Steve Thomas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m in the DR, and while I downloaded Spanish versions of Wikipedia etc,
>>> I forget to download the Spanish version of KA Lite.
>>>
>>> I found the command to install, but I need the Zip file.
>>>
>>> I know if I had internet connection on the IIAB box I know I could
>>> install that way, but the Wifi isn't working on that laptop, and there is
>>> no connection with Ethernet cable.  So my plan is to download into another
>>> PC and transfer with USB.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Stephen
>>> --
>>>
>>> See a Problem
>>>
>>> (That impedes your efforts)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Solve the Problem
>>>
>>> (in a disciplined way that helps gain new insights in how to do work)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Share What you Learn
>>>
>>> (So the local discovery has systematic and broad impacts)
>>>
>>>
>>> - excerpted from Steven Spear <http://www.thehighvelocityedge.com/>
>>>
>>>
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>
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Re: [IAEP] [UKids] Where I download KA Lite zip file in Spanish

[Adam Holt]

Steve,

There's extensive documentation on KA Lite tips & tricks for
Internet-in-a-Box at http://FAQ.IIAB.IO #32

("KA Lite Administration: What tips & tricks exist?")

Read those 30-or-so lines from top to bottom, as so many others have fallen
in these kinds of KA Lite content installation & configuration traps over
the years, that you can save yourself a *Lot* of hassle by avoiding their
mistakes (:


On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 6:40 PM Steve Thomas  wrote:

> I’m in the DR, and while I downloaded Spanish versions of Wikipedia etc, I
> forget to download the Spanish version of KA Lite.
>
> I found the command to install, but I need the Zip file.
>
> I know if I had internet connection on the IIAB box I know I could install
> that way, but the Wifi isn't working on that laptop, and there is no
> connection with Ethernet cable.  So my plan is to download into another PC
> and transfer with USB.
>
> Thanks,
> Stephen
> --
>
> See a Problem
>
> (That impedes your efforts)
>
>
>
> Solve the Problem
>
> (in a disciplined way that helps gain new insights in how to do work)
>
>
>
> Share What you Learn
>
> (So the local discovery has systematic and broad impacts)
>
>
> - excerpted from Steven Spear 
>
>
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[IAEP] ANNC: Internet-in-a-Box 6.7 lets you drag+drop Wikipedia, Sugarizer, Maps, Apps, Etc!

[Adam Holt]

Announcing the release of Internet-in-a-Box (IIAB) 6.7 !

Please use it to "steal" the Internet's crown jewels
 and craft your own LIBRARY
OF ALEXANDRIA using a $35 Raspberry Pi computer, or any old laptop.

Our HOW-TO videos
 show
you how to customize your Internet-in-a-Box "knowledge hotspot" — for your
school, your clinic, your library, your entire region — or your very own
family.

Install Internet-in-a-Box (IIAB) 6.7 using its 1-line installer
 to transform an old laptop into a "learning
palace" for a developing world school, that urgently needs this today!

Then *drag-and-drop* the very best of the World's Free Knowledge (Wikipedia
in any language, thousands of Khan Academy videos, zoomable OpenStreetMap,
E-Books, WordPress journaling, the new Sugarizer 1.1, Toys from Trash
electronics projects, ETC) for those who are burning for learning — but
just happen to be offline.

Internet-in-a-Box (IIAB) 6.7 Release Notes:
https://github.com/iiab/iiab/wiki/IIAB-6.7-Release-Notes

*The crown jewels are all free, liberated — and open source too!
Internet-in-a-Box is now used in schools, libraries and medical clinics in
more than 20 countries. Why not DIY your own LIBRARY OF ALEXANDRIA with a
$35 Raspberry Pi computer, starting today?*
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] motion regarding GSoC mentor travel

[Adam Holt]

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

> buying a one-way ticket on one airline for the first direction and a
> one-way ticket on another for the return can often save money.
>

Not true for international long-haul flights, where it dramatically
increases the price in most all cases.

This is a common misunderstanding :/
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] motion regarding GSoC mentor travel

[Adam Holt]

It turns out this motion is not necessary in the end:

Jaskirat Singh's Washington, DC to New Delhi, India return flight (November
~9, more than 4 weeks after he arrives on October 10) is indeed
substantially more expensive than general policy allows, as open-jaw tickets
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-jaw_ticket> are dramatically more
expensive than round-trip flights in general, in this case as compared to
the intended GSoC India to San Francisco round-trip flight.

However, the DC-to-India flight was fully paid for by an anonymous donor
today, who prefers to remain anonymous.

Please all give thanks to the donor, understanding that they prefer to
remain anonymous, as this will not be a repeat occurrence,

Adam


On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:21 PM, Ignacio Rodríguez 
wrote:

> Okay.
>
> Looking forward to see some pictures of your experience.
>
> +1.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 5:18 PM Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
>> Carly and maybe me. I don't know any other details.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:05 PM Ignacio Rodríguez 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello.
>>> I'm not trying to be mean or something, but wondering who is he meeting
>>> from SugarLabs?
>>>
>>> > (to visit some Sugar Labs people and his cousin in DC.)
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>> Ignacio.-
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 4:20 PM Samson Goddy 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Seconded,
>>>>
>>>> I believe that members should  use opportunities like Gsoc to Meetup
>>>> fellow members.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 8:17 PM Walter Bender 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Background: Google has provided SL with $3000 towards mentor travel to
>>>>> the October summit. ($3300 - the SFC 10%) although we have yet to receive
>>>>> $1100 of the funds. We have also received $5400 in mentor "stipends" 
>>>>> ($6000
>>>>> - the SFC 10%). As you may recall, we are sending three people, Devin,
>>>>> Jaskirat, and Shrivank. Only Jaskirat is traveling internationally, so the
>>>>> best estimate is that the travel will come in on budget. As we did last
>>>>> year, we could apply some of the mentor stipend $$ to cover any overruns.
>>>>> (Note we have already approved a previous motion to approve a travel
>>>>> advance for Jaskirat to attend the Google Summer of Code mentor summit in
>>>>> October 2018. [1])
>>>>>
>>>>> The SFC estimates a cost increase in Jaskirat's ticket of $400-$500
>>>>> due to his intention to travel some while in the States (to visit some
>>>>> Sugar Labs people and his cousin in DC.) Jaskirat is paying for his
>>>>> domestic travel, but the round trip in and out of SF is apparently less
>>>>> expensive, hence the need for SLOB approval. IMHO, we should be extending
>>>>> opportunities for community members whenever possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Motion: To approve the additional cost associated with Jaskirat's
>>>>> ticket to and from the GSoC summit as calculated by the SFC. If for some
>>>>> reason the total budget for GSoC summit travel exceeds $3000, we can apply
>>>>> Jaskirat's and my share of the GSoC mentor stipend to cover the overrun.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is somewhat timely as tickets need to be purchased.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards.
>>>>>
>>>>> -walter
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2018-
>>>>> August/055603.html
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Forwarded message -
>>>>> From: Brett Smith via RT 
>>>>> Date: Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:58 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [sfconservancy.org #1845] Additional US flight
>>>>> expenditures for Jaskirat Singh
>>>>> To: 
>>>>> Cc: 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/18/2018 12:46 PM, Adam Holt via RT wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Brett Smith via RT <
>>>>> approv...@tix.sfconservancy.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam and team,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jaskirat Singh is planning additional travel in the US after the GSoC
>>>>>> mentor summit. Some of it is personal,
>>>>>
>>

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] GCI 2018

[Adam Holt]

+1

I've notified SFConservancy that Sugar Labs is moving forward here, in case
they can be of assistance with some of the new GCi policies etc.


On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 11:32 PM, Rishabh Thaney 
wrote:

> Seconded. I'm also interested in mentoring this year.
>
> On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 at 5:08 AM, Jaskirat Singh 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks,
>> I too will be interested in being a mentor this year.
>>
>> On Sat, 8 Sep 2018, 2:22 am Lionel Laské,  wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Le ven. 7 sept. 2018 à 22:46, Samson Goddy  a
>>> écrit :
>>>
 I am interested in becoming a mentor this year.

 so +1 from me.

 On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 9:43 PM Ignacio Rodríguez 
 wrote:

> I'll second.
> I'll have more time this year to mentor and be admin if required.
>
> Greetings,
> Ignacio.-
>
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2018, 5:42 PM Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
>> We seem to have sufficient interest from the community to apply to
>> Google Code-in again this year. Lots of returning mentors and some 
>> students
>> who have morphed into mentors as well. But I will not apply w/o SLOB
>> approval.
>>
>> Motion: Sugar Labs will apply to participate in Google Code-in 2018.
>> Walter will be the primary administrator.
>>
>> Time in of the essence as the schedule this year has applications
>> starting this week, so please respond ASAP.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> --
>> Walter Bender
>> Sugar Labs
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Motion]Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] approval needed for Bender's GCI travel expenses

[Adam Holt]

+1

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 9:16 AM, Lionel Laské  wrote:

> +1
>
> Lionel
>
> 2018-07-07 14:56 GMT+02:00 Ignacio Rodríguez :
>
>> I'll second it
>>
>> El sáb., 7 de jul. de 2018 08:47, Samson Goddy 
>> escribió:
>>
>>> Dear SLOBs,
>>>
>>> Motion: To approve Walter's $614.03 reimbursement request. I would like
>>> if this motion will be seconded. So we can process to voting.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Samson
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 3:55 AM Walter Bender 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Fellow oversight board members,

 I would appreciate if someone would propose a motion as per Bradley's
 email below so that I can get reimbursed for my travel to the Google Mentor
 Summit.

 thx.

 -walter

 -- Forwarded message -
 From: Bradley M. Kuhn via RT 
 Date: Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 8:04 PM
 Subject: [sfconservancy.org #898] SLOBS approval needed for Bender's
 GCI travel expenses.
 To: 


 Walter Bender via RT wrote on Sunday,  1 July:
 > As you know, Google sponsors one mentor from each participating org to
 > attend the summit and the costs of the trip are passed through to Google.
 ...
 > Please contact me if you have any further questions.

 This assessment is actually no longer accurate, and as such, we need
 approval from SLOBs to proceed with the travel reimbursement, just like we
 do with any other.  Adam, could you as Representative communicate that 
 SLOBs
 approved $614.03 for Walter's travel.

 Reasons we need such approval are below:

 The information that Walter relied on to write the above is out of date.  A
 few years ago, Google changed the nature of the way payments are made for
 GCI and GSoC.  While, informally, Google requests that a certain part of 
 the
 payments be used for travel expenses for the GCI and GSoC Mentor Summits
 (respectively) there is no longer a formal requirement, agreement, nor
 arrangement that requires Conservancy (and its Sugar Labs project) to use
 these funds for that purpose.  Sugar Labs could use the funds for any
 purpose that fits within the project and Conservancy's charitable mission.
 Thus, under the FSA with Conservancy, it's up to Sugar Labs to recommend
 that how we spend the funds.

 As you decide on whether you'd like to pay the funds for this purpose, note
 that Bender's expenses are substantially less than the amount given as a
 donation for GCI.  Sugar received $7,380.00 total for its participation in
 GCI 2017

 Finally, please avoid the phrase "pass through" with regard to funds at
 Conservancy.  Regardless of any specific donation situation, Conservancy
 *does not* do any activity as a "pass through" fiscal sponsor.  That phrase
 has specific meaning in USA-non-profit circles and that's never what we're
 doing here, no matter what.



 Meanwhile, Walter, there's a receipt missing:

 > $25 Baggage fee*

 > * My restricted fare on United did not allow me any luggage beyond a
 > personal bag for my laptop. I managed on the way out, but could not
 > manage on the way back, hence I had to check a bag.

 This is within policy, but it does require a receipt when proposed as a
 stand-alone expense.  It looks like you didn't attach the receipt.  (I
 noticed you attached the same file twice, so I suspect that there is 
 another
 file of receipts we haven't gotten yet).

 AFIAK, all major airline give a receipt for checked luggage at the time 
 they
 collect payment.  If you lost that, in my experience, you can get the
 receipt from the airline's website from your account after the fact.

 Please send along the $25 receipt.  Everything else seems well documented.

 Note in future you don't need to include receipts for M please take a
 look at the travel policy section regarding that:
   
 https://sfconservancy.org/projects/policies/conservancy-travel-policy.html



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[IAEP] Internet-in-a-Box 6.5 Released!

[Adam Holt]

Internet-in-a-Box is a tiny device that brings the best of the Internet to
offline communities around the world — Wikipedia, Khan Academy,
OpenStreetMap, YouTube science videos, thousands of eBooks, etc — no
Internet required!  No longer just a school server, Internet-in-a-Box is
now used in medical clinics in some of the most remote parts of the earth.

Profound thanks to the huge number of contributors who've made
Internet-in-a-Box 6.5 our best yet.  It's a real breakthrough release
already being used in schools around the world — broadly in Mexico, Peru,
Haiti, among others — and in growing number of healthcare contexts,
especially in India.

This release brings many new library fabrication tools to DIY curators (DIY
librarians) who have only the most basic familiarity with GNU/Linux:

   IIAB 6.5 Release Notes
   https://github.com/iiab/iiab/wiki/IIAB-6.5-Release-Notes

Anyone who wants to build their own digital library can now try our 1-line
installers for Raspberry Pi 3 (and 3 B+), Ubuntu 18.04 LTS and Debian 9
here: (CentOS 7.5 support is highly experimental, if you can help!)

   IIAB 6.5 Download/Install
   http://download.iiab.io/6.5

Then you can install civilization's highest-quality open content, using
easily-downloadable Content Packs, before you install Internet-in-a-Box in
a more fully offline environment.  Choose from Kiwix (ZIM files)
, OER2GO/RACHEL
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sur] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Action required: Devin Ulibarri travel/stipend

[Adam Holt]

+1

On Fri, May 11, 2018, 7:44 PM Claudia Urrea  wrote:

> + 1
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 6:18 PM, rosamel norma ramirez mendez <
> rosano...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> Descarga Outlook para iOS 
>> --
>> *From:* olpc-Sur  on behalf of Walter
>> Bender 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 10, 2018 2:01:59 PM
>> *To:* Lionel Laské
>> *Cc:* Sugar-dev Devel; OLPC para usuarios, docentes, voluntarios y
>> administradores; SLOBs; Samson Goddy; iaep
>> *Subject:* Re: [Sur] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOB] Action
>> required: Devin Ulibarri travel/stipend
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 12:32 PM Lionel Laské 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> BTW I'm agree with Caryl, the idea is to use this "honorarium" to defray
>>> his costs. Not considering it as a payment/salary/reward.
>>> I'm not at all a big fan of the use of word "honorarium", it's not the
>>> philosophy of SugarLabs to giving money to someone to represent SugarLabs.
>>> It's even dangerous: in few months a guy could ask us to pay him because
>>> he represented SugarLabs during a conference.
>>>
>>
>> I don't know what the proper term should be, but this "honorarium" was
>> not solicited by Devin, but rather, it was offered by the school. It is
>> quite customary for this sort of thing in some cultures. Devin asked that
>> the money be routed through the SFC so that at least some of it would go
>> towards the support of SFC/SL.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>>
>>> Lionel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2018-05-10 3:55 GMT+02:00 Carlos mauro :
>>>
 +1

 El mié., 9 may. 2018 1:41 p. m., Walter Bender 
 escribió:

> +1
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 2:11 PM Ignacio Rodríguez 
> wrote:
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] workshop travel motion

[Adam Holt]

+1 if it's clarified where public community reporting will take place, e.g.
in the form of blog post(s) @ https://musicblocks.net

or any such/similar.

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 10:05 AM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

>
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Chris Leonard 
> wrote:
>
>> Walter,
>>
>> As always, I am ready to assist with i18n/L10n efforts as needed.  In the
>> past we've had an active Japanese localizer, but it has not been a priority
>> language for recruiting.  Efforts like this are wonderful opportunities to
>> reach out to an online language community at other projects to let them
>> know that their work is destined in real-time for a particular audience,
>> which can be quite motivating.  It is also an opportunity to recruit new
>> stakeholders to the L10n effort to benefit all.
>>
>> https://translate.sugarlabs.org/ja/
>>
>
> Devin speaks Japanese and has been working with a colleague from Japan who
> is familiar with all of the specialized music terms so for the moment, we
> are in good shape. (Devin also translated the guide into Japanese.)
>
> -walter
>
>>
>> cjl
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 8:50 PM, Walter Bender 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Devin Ulibarri is returning from Japan, where he ran a number of Music
>>> Blocks workshops. While he was there, he also met with METI (the Japanese
>>> ministry of economics, trade, and industry), which has a interest in STEM
>>> education and with whom he initiated talks about doing a large-scale
>>> initiative in Japan. He has been invited back to follow up on the work at a
>>> school in Yolohama and to have follow-up meetings with METI. He is
>>> requesting funds to support his travel:
>>>
>>> * between US $800-1200 for airfare; and
>>> * approximately $40 for local transportation in Japan
>>>
>>> He has accomodations accounted for and hence does need funds for a hotel.
>>>
>>> Motion 2018-02: Provide Devin Ulibarri with travel money for March
>>> workshops and follow-up meetings in Japan of an amount not exceeding US
>>> $1250.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Additional background on the trip privided by Devin can be found below:
>>>
>>> The main gist is that the Yokohama Frontier High School (
>>> http://www.edu.city.yokohama.lg.jp/school/hs/sfh/index.cfm/37,html)
>>> does special science festivals about once a year and they would like me to
>>> be their special guest in March (3/16). For planning purposes (and for the
>>> best airfare rate), it is important to know whether the airfare would be
>>> paid for in advance. I asked if they have a budget to pay for airfare for
>>> their guests and they do not.
>>>
>>> I will try to schedule one or two additional meetings around that time
>>> as well, if possible. For example, I would like to meet with METI (Ministry
>>> of Economics, Trade, and Industry) once, perhaps the Friday before, and try
>>> to do a couple workshop at a middle school in Tokyo that expressed interest.
>>>
>>> It is the same school as described in these blogs:
>>>
>>> https://musicblocks.net/2018/01/02/translation-of-yokohama-s
>>> cience-frontier-blog-article-of-devins-visit-on-12-16-2017/
>>>
>>> https://musicblocks.net/2018/01/02/devins-travels-in-japan/
>>>
>>> (They were impressed with the initial showcase, so they asked me back to
>>> be the special guest in March. That is how this got started.)
>>>
>>> The school is asking for various information (e.g. translated bio,
>>> translated C.V. and Resume), which I am preparing right now. I am almost
>>> complete with all of the documents, including a "What is Music Blocks?"
>>> slideshow presentation in Japanese, of which the most recent draft(s) may
>>> be accessed at:
>>>
>>> https://owncloud.libretools.com/index.php/s/huL6h3MgPf7e9g8
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] email motion 2017-20

[Adam Holt]

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Ignacio Rodríguez 
wrote:

> +1, please let us know how that goes :)
>

+1 please clarify for all where the public reporting (preferably public
blogging) will take place!


El vie., 1 de dic. de 2017 6:19 PM, Samson Goddy 
> escribió:
>
>> +1 from me.
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2017 9:49 PM, "Lionel Laské"  wrote:
>>
>>
>> +1 for me.
>>
>> Lionel.
>>
>>
>> 2017-12-01 20:40 GMT+01:00 Walter Bender :
>>
>>> Motion: To allocate up to US $500 towards local travel expenses in Japan
>>> for two (or more) Music Blocks workshops to be run by Devin Ulibarri.
>>>
>>> This was discussed at today's oversight-board meeting [1], but since we
>>> lacked a quorum we could not take a vote. Hence this email. Please respond
>>> ASAP.
>>>
>>> The gist of the discussion was:
>>>
>>>  Devin Ulibarri will be in Japan and while he is there, he
>>> is hoping to run some Music Blocks workshops
>>>  He has two invitatioons already.
>>>  He asked for ~$500 to cover the local travel involved (a
>>> trip to Chiba and a trip to Kyoto).
>>>  The travel to/from Japan is already paid for.
>>>
>>> For those who don't know, Devin is the co-inventor of Music Blocks and
>>> has been running numerous workshops, including a summer program in Malden,
>>> Massachusetts. Devin speaks Japanese and has been discussion with several
>>> of our colleagues in Japan.
>>>
>>> regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
>>> [1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/
>>> 2017-12-01T19:05:26
>>>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sur] email motion 2017-19

[Adam Holt]

+1 from an "offline education" MiniApp-a-Thon @ Minneapolis, preventing me
from attending yesterday's meeting, my apologies-

On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 4:47 AM, rosamel norma ramirez mendez <
rosano...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> + 1
>
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>
> El 2 dic. 2017, a la(s) 00:14, Ignacio Rodríguez 
> escribió:
>
> +1 from me, Claudia seems to be a potential candidate :)
>
> El vie., 1 de dic. de 2017 6:17 PM, Samson Goddy 
> escribió:
>
>> Sorry guys, I ran into some internet issue. +1 for me
>>
>> On Dec 1, 2017 9:47 PM, "Lionel Laské"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Sorry I was online one hour too late. Stupid error on DST.
>>>
>>> +1 for me for this motion.
>>>
>>>Lionel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-12-01 20:35 GMT+01:00 Walter Bender :
>>>
 Motion: To appoint Claudia Urrea to the oversight-board seat that
 opened due to the resignation of Laura Vargas. This temporary appointment
 would last until the next oversight board election in 2018.

 This was discussed at today's oversight-board meeting [1], but since we
 lacked a quorum we could not take a vote. Hence this email. Please respond
 ASAP.

 The gist of the discussion was:

  #topic replacing Laura on the board
  Laura Vargas has resigned her seat on the board. I think
 we should fill the vacancy with a temporary appointment.
  Her seat was up in fall 2018.
  So it would be a 9-10 month appointment.
  I propose Claudia Urrea
  for several reasons:
  (1) she got the most votes in the last election (missing
 a seat on the board by just one vote)
  (2) she is very experienced with Sugar and our target
 audience
  (3) she brings academic and education experience to the
 mix
  (4) she is a thoughtful, long-term contributor to the
 community
  (5) and she is a very respectful colleague

 Her state of objects from the last election can be found at [2].

 regards.

 -walter

 [1] http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/
 2017-12-01T19:05:26
 [2] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2017-
 2019-candidates#Claudia_Urrea

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[IAEP] Internet-in-a-Box 6.4 RELEASED - formerly the OLPC/XSCE School Server

[Adam Holt]

/github.com/iiab/iiab/wiki/IIAB-Installation#add-content>*
<https://github.com/iiab/iiab/wiki/IIAB-6.4-Release-Notes#people-who-busted-their-ass>People
Who Busted Their Ass

Thank you e-v-e-r-y-o-n-e for building your own DIY Library of Alexandria.
To serve One & All.

*Not just in your own community — but by keeping in touch with our global
volunteer community network (http://OFF.NETWORK <http://OFF.NETWORK>) each
of you are providing the lifeblood "fieldback" — that keeps us motivated
enabling Internet-in-a-Box's quality content collaborations
<http://boxing.team> across ALL communities!*

IIAB Development Team: George Hunt <https://github.com/georgejhunt/>, Tim
Moody <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHdMC8lhpjM=2036s>, Jerry Vonau
<https://github.com/jvonau>, Josh Dennis <http://100schools.org/>, Reno
McKenzie <http://renomckenzie.com/>, Arky <https://github.com/arky>, Anish
Mangal <https://bhagmalpur.wordpress.com/author/anishmangal2002/>, Joshua
Kanani <https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshua-kanani-32536a12a>, German Ruiz
<https://twitter.com/germanrs>, César Natarén
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/nataren>, Curt Thompson
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/curt-thompson-1935a165>, Blondel Mondésir
<https://github.com/deldesir>, Rick Castorani
<https://www.seedsforprogress.org/>, Samuel Zidovetzki
<http://www.mountsinai.org/profiles/samuel-zidovetzki>, María González
<https://sipa.columbia.edu/news/project-examines-value-new-information-resource-medical-providers-rural-latin-america>,
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[IAEP] 2016/2017 Financials; Protecting XO Trademark in Perpetuity; Reseeding

[Adam Holt]

[1] We have $75,367.72 in the bank but FYI Sugar Labs' spending in 2017 has
been higher than any other year on record in Sugar Labs' 9-year history
(estimated $14105.73 so far, with almost one quarter of the year
remaining).  This despite dramatically fewer trips than the year before,
according to our summarized financial ledger just posted.  Depending how
you estimate it, Sugar Labs has posted a $5653.67 or $7805.73 loss[*] for
the year to date:

   2017
   https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance#2017-01-01_to_2017-10-06

Last year income was somewhat ahead of expenses by either $117.62 or
$1462.25[*] in the final analysis:

   2016
   https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance#2016-01-01_to_2016-12-31

[*] Depending on calendar year etc: some transactions happen many months
after they first post.  Also critical amendments/clarifications might be
necessary above, as new information comes to light.  Clarif on April 2011:
that $145,000.00 pass-through expense for Durham Cycling (sponsorship) was
a clerical anomaly more than an actual expense:
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance#April_2011


[2] Currently the legal owner of the XO Trademark is (presumably) OLPC
INC.  If Sugar Labs seeks to protect itself and its learning constituents
from possibly less scrupulous future owners of the XO mark in the coming
decades (who might conceivably resist or charge for community licensing of
the XO artwork/symbol, if the trademark should ever change hands, a change
of ownership having happened twice[*] on our watch already during Sugar
Labs' 9 year history) board members interested in safeguarding future
decades' opportunities can review the following documents for completeness
and clarification:

$ ls Sugar/Agreements/Relicensing_sugar-artwork_files
Benjamin-Berg-consent.eml   Manuel-Quinones-consent.eml
Christian-Marc-Schmidt-consent.eml  Marco-Presenti-Gritti-consent.eml
C-Scott-Ananian-consent.eml Martin-Abente-consent.eml
Dan-Williams-consent.emlRecord-of-Contributor-approvals.ods
Eben-Eliason-consent.emlSimon-Schampijer-consent.eml
Gary-Martin-consent.eml Tomeu-Vizoso-consent.eml
Gonzalo-Odiard-consent.eml  Walter-Bender-consent.eml

The above documents are available to all board members who request access
via svn (subversion) from the SFConservancy.  There is absolutely no rush
here as the board clarified its broad opinion (
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2017-09-15).
However during the next meeting on November 3rd after the board election,
it might be prudent & precautionary to wrap up this matter by briefly
outlining a more forward-looking-statement (September's public discussions
were a very useful start) as to how we might work with and assist OLPC (or
any subsequent holder of the XO and similar trademarks) in protecting
Sugar's heritage across different global communities in 25 years from now
as much as 10 years from now...*and possibly much longer.*

Legal advice from different lawyers can be very helpful (I happen to know a
lot, and yes they like to be paid for their work just like underappreciated
accountants: as such an experienced lawyer recently admitted to me "let's
be very honest, we lawyers have different opinions, and the Internet is
often the best lawyer, even when your funds are not constrained...")  In
any case, Sugar Labs has not budgeted for detailed, paid legal research at
this time, for a subtle/complex case like this especially.   The XO
trademark and common law / community uses of it have an intricate history
of more than 10 years already, likely going substantially beyond
SFConservancy's responsibility to do basic legal/accounting work for Sugar
Labs.
*As such we should be thankful that SFC General Counsel Tony Sebro &
Bradley Kuhn have already helped us repeatedly on this matter: let me
reiterate a Profound Thanks go to the entire SFC for its diligence beyond
what most anybody is aware, on all matters!*

[*] or so one presumes, that the XO trademark has changed hands from the
OLPC Fdtn to the OLPC Assoc and then from the OLPC Assoc to OLPC Inc, as
OLPC itself has evolved into a different entity several times.  Similarly
Sugar Labs might want to do basic legal and market research on protecting
the Sugarizer name and concept, to protect Lionel and all, as the world
continually changes around us!


*[3]  W h y   W e ' r e   H e r e*

*Sugar Labs' 1st official transactions both took place on December 17th
2008 in an earlier era when Trump was just a playing card, Obama was not a
president, and Tweeting truly was for the birds...*

*Donations on that 1st day came from Bernie Innocenti ($10) and Caroline
Meeks ($50) towards building a completely new kind of more purposeful Lego,
opening minds for a completely new century if not civilization.  Shall we
honor that dream?  Honor their funds??  Or keep repeating ourselves???*

Here are some of the people who donated during those very 1st days in that
more innocent era 

[IAEP] why do accountants prefer facts over inaccurate wikis, undocumented board votes & screaming matches?

[Adam Holt]

[1] The Software Freedom Conservancy has sent $1605.73 above and beyond
Samson's Nigeria-California $1583.34 flight costs ($3189.07 total).

As such the total SFC has transmitted for Samson Goddy's GSoC weekend in
the San Francisco area is now $3189.07

If in fact the $1605.73 (708+550+347.73) already transmitted is not enough
(above and beyond Samson's Nigeria-California $1583.34 = 1279.14+161.20+143
Port Harcourt-California flight costs) Samson Goddy is again asked to file
a public motion supporting and documenting why he needs more.

At age 17 Samson Goddy might not yet realize that accountants will never
accept ambiguity around double-spending of GSoC or any other funds.  It is
a lesson we each and all learn before we die, the final accounting for our
contributions, whether the world chooses to listen to accounting
professionals or not in our final resting place at the end of my life, and
at the end of all our lives.


[2] As the June 2017 historical record and 2017's entire numbering of
motions is incorrect/incomplete at
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions (it still fails to
mention that Samson Goddy was approved for up to $500 on June 12th,
conditional on his visiting France's Scratch conference:
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-June/019870.html) I'd ask a
neutral 3rd party like Dave Crossland or Ombudsman Bert Freudenberg to fix
this, as edit wars at
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Oversight_Board/Decisions=history
regrettably do not move Sugar Labs forward.

Similarly on September 29th Laura Vargas appears to have accidentally made
things worse by changing the April 2017 historical record here, while
perhaps not understanding that all Sugar Labs motions must be resolved
within 1 week (168 hours):
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Oversight_Board%2FDecisions=revision=100892=100821


[3] So that we can all keep track of the number of board members who want
$500 or more and the private discussions on sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org that
prevent Sugar Labs ~138 other members (and the public) from understanding,
let this serve as a reminder that changing the historical record and
screaming matches on sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org [4] are not the way to
achieve thoughtful financial support for insider (or outsider!) projects.

The Worst possible precedent we could set is board members privately voting
institutional funds into each others' pockets.

The Best way to achieve this (in all cases) is a public board vote en plain
air.


[4] A profound thank you to Walter who powerfully intervened on Sunday
October 1st to scale back Samson's verbal assaults on other board members.
Samson's words were so shocking that I will not quote them here.  This was
completely unacceptable and Walter did the right thing by forcefully
putting an end to that; we can only hope that the stars begin to align in
2017 and this serious ongoing pattern of harassment please begins to
dissipate with a new dawn arising in coming months and years:

"For some of us, it is the season of forgiveness. Selfishness and
self-dealing, pettiness and small-thinking, arrogance and
self-aggrandizement are all easily forgiven. What is more difficult to
forgive is when members of this board engage in character assassination,
personal attacks, and question the motivation and goodwill of their
colleagues and fellow community members. This sort of behavior is poison to
our credibility as an oversight board and is seriously undermining the
cohesiveness of our community. I am not seeking consensus -- it is natural
and healthy for us to disagree -- but I am asking that you tone down the
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[IAEP] how Samson can buy a flight to GSoC today before it's too late

[Adam Holt]

Samson,

Flying Emirates Airlines with a 4 hour layover in Dubai on your way to the
US to save Sugar Labs $500+ will not block your entry into the US.  Sugar
Labs should not even suggest that we would block participants from the
Middle East, even in passing, or as a joke that spending 4 hours in Dubai's
airport will turn you into a terrorist is highly inappropriate.

Please if you want to go on this trip to the GSoC Mentoring Summit,
strongly consider that your options are likely running out very fast, and
you can instantly put an end to the operatic drama by working with the
SFConservancy today (now, immediately) to buy this flight and be done with
it all:

$1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL Lagos - San
Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
$190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16
$121.20 Port Harcout - Lagos Oct 12 & 24 (or earlier)

*You are fortunate that you do not need additional motions or votes as this
essentially matches lowest pricing for the approved Nigeria-to-GSoC without
side trips (2017-17).  Do consider what's in the best interest of the wider
Sugar Labs community and not just yourself.  Thank You All for supporting
Samson if he hopefully works this out.*
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Adam Holt]

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Lionel Laské 
wrote:

>
> -1 for this motion.
>
> Participation to the GSoC Summit is already a privilege. It's fair that
> Samson as a mentor could have opportunity to attend to it.
> I don't see any advantage for SugarLabs on the Samson side trip, so there
> is no reason for SugarLabs to pay for it.
>

Lionel,

While I strongly sympathize (I work with Haitian teachers who don't find it
funny that Samson appears willing to let substantially more than $500
disappear, far more than a year's salary for my educator colleagues in
Haiti...)

Still let me still ask: what would you think if Samson approached this with
a spirit of compromise, spending $1277.68+190 instead of the earlier
desired 1920.82 (1730.82+190) or 2110.22 (1920.22+190) ?  In this fashion
his 2 side trips would not cost Sugar Labs much at all:

$1,277.68 @ Emirates.com for https://goo.gl/flights/5WpL Lagos - San
Francisco Oct 12/13; Boston - Lagos Oct 21/22
$190 Los Angeles - Boston Oct 15/16

Nobody appreciates a "planned emergency" like this, when Samson's side
trips could easily have been mentioned in public earlier this summer,
instead of forcing everyone to the brink like this with de facto
high-pressure sales tactics.

But let's try to make the best of this obvious disaster and put that behind
us.

If you agree, Samson might be wise to jump on this opportunity immediately
instead of arguing for days over a trip that could Very Easily Go Down The
Drain (as prices are now rising quickly, with Oct 12 only days away now).

In Context: the companies I've worked for across my career would * never *
allow the purchase of intercontinental flights only ~16 days prior to
travel like this, even if Samson's side trips had been mentioned
forthrightly a priori (instead of forcing Sugar Labs to the brink, and
costing us money with ever-rising flight costs...)
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Adam Holt]

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:38 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> From what I understand, from the flights that Samson identified, which are
> the ones with reasonable layovers -- a consideration that the new SFC
> travel guidelines allow him to take into account -- the difference is a
> wash.
>

In this case both above statements are untrue (the difference is not a
wash, nor is this covered by SFC's travel guidelines).

Flights like KLM's https://goo.gl/flights/XwKR have very efficient layovers
(4h15m, 1h46m and 2h10m) and would save Sugar Labs $487.36 or $676.76
according to Samson's own arithmetic.

Samson has chosen to purchase https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-jaw_ticket
flights (returning to Nigeria from Boston instead of from San Francisco)
which have a dramatically higher cost to Sugar Labs.

Everybody should take seriously whether paying $487.36 or $676.76 extra for
Samson's side trips to LA and Boston is or is not worth it.  But certainly
not pretend that there's no additional cost.  Which is simply false in this
case, no matter how much we might all wish it were true!
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] yet another motion regarding Samson's travel

[Adam Holt]

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> +1 from me.
>
> This is a timely matter, so please vote ASAP.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>
>> Second.
>>
>> Sameer
>>
>> On Sep 22, 2017 10:48 PM, "Walter Bender" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> As has been discussed, Samson would like to have a layover in Boston on
>>> the way back from the Google Summer of Code summit. He has documented here
>>> [1] that there is not increase in the cost of the ticket to make the Boston
>>> stop. Nonetheless, the SFC has asked that the oversight board approve this
>>> change in the original motion, which only mentioned the GSoC summit.
>>>
>>> Motion: approve the inclusion of a Boston layover in Samson's trip from
>>> Nigeria to California on his return from the GSoC summit.
>>>
>>> Please note that this is independent of the request for additional
>>> funding associated with traveling to Boston (although as Samson has already
>>> noted, we have arranged free lodging for him, thanks to the Minsky family).
>>>
>>> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dBJ14BeT4titV9FU7Cf0jcJc
>>> 5nto54ly8aZEbN8ZbVw/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>
This documentation is incorrect.  Sugar Labs is being asked to pay $487.36
or $676.76 extra as a result of Samson Goddy's desired side-trips (which
were not mention in Motion 2017-17
) to LA and Boston
after GSoC Mentoring Summit in the SF area Oct 13-15.

As compared to a Nigeria-San Francisco flight without such visits (
$1433.46 is the actual total price at http://klm.com also shown at
https://goo.gl/flights/XwKR )

Sugar Labs may indeed decide Samson's side trips are worth the extra price,
be it either of the following of the 2 flights chosen by Samson:

$487.36 = 1730.82 (pricier open-jaw ticket) + 190 (LA to Boston) - 1433.46

$676.76 = 1920.22 (pricier open-jaw ticket) + 190 (LA to Boston) -1433.46

Let's be open to an honest, civil debate here about how much exactly
Samson's side trips are (or are not) worth to Sugar Labs.  Please if we can
execute financial decision-making in public (I'm moving this private email
discussion from sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org to iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org)
unless there is an overwhelming reason for confidentiality during
merger/acquisition planning, legal threats etc.

Thank You All.

regards.
>>>
>>> -walter
>>>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] Motion regarding xo-computer icon

[Adam Holt]

I greatly support the gist of Walter's motion, and but before I vote would
like clarification:

In order to fully protect Sugar Labs, Walter do we have written
documentation (in public or not, but somewhere in our hands) that the XO
trademark artwork is (as stated in the motion) "currently licensed under
the GPL" ?

Do you know who specifically is/was the source of this GPL declaration?

Separately (if possible!) has this been reviewed as valid by legal counsel?

*Thanks for clarifying what you can!*

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> On Sep 15, 2017 3:12 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The discussion regarding the status of the xo-computer icon seems to be
> going around  in circles. In my opinion, this makes it even more imperative
> that the Sugar Labs oversight board respond to Tony's questions so that
> Tony can proceed with his investigation in to our options.
>
> To state the obvious, this discussion is not about whether or not we can
> change the xo-computer icon -- we can do that at any time in consultation
> with our design team. The discussion is about whether or not we make that
> decision on our own terms or be forced into a change.
>
> Motion: To answer the questions posed by the SFC regarding the xo-computer
> icon as follows:
> (Q1) Why is the XO logo included in the sugar-artwork repo now -- and does
> the SLOBs want to keep it there?
> (A1) The xo-computer icon has been part of Sugar since we first designed
> and built Sugar (beginning in 2006) and we would like to keep it there
> until such time as the design team decides there is a reason to change it.
> (Q2) Assuming the SLOBs want to keep the XO logo in sugar-artwork: what
> outcome would the SLOBs *prefer* to see happen?  E.g.,
> - Does Sugar want downstream users to be able to redistribute and modify
> Sugar's codebase with or without the XO trademark file included in the
> program?
> - Does the SLOBs want downstream users to be able to modify and
> redistribute the XO trademark image itself, or is that less important to
> Sugar?
> (A2) Sugar Artwork, including the xo-computer icon, is currently licensed
> under the GPL and we would like our downstream users to be able to use all
> of our artwork under the terms of that license. As far as the use of any
> trademark image outside of the context of Sugar, we have no opinion.
>
> I'd appreciate if someone would second this motion and, if it passes, the
> results be reported to Tony by Adam, our SFC liaison. Of course, if the
> motion does not pass, we will need to continue the discussion.
>
> I second the motion.
>
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 8:48 PM
> Subject: [SLOB] xo-computer icon
> To: SLOBs <sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org>
> Cc: Sugar-dev Devel <sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org>
>
>
> As probably most of you are aware, yesterday one of our community members
> unilaterally changed the xo-computer icon in sugar-artwork. The ensuing
> discussion about the change is in the github pull request, "Urgent fix
> logos", [1]
>
> The gist of his concern is that OLPC has a trademark on the XO artwork [2]
> and there was concern that we were infringing and consequently downstream
> users would also be infringing.
>
> As Sean Daly points out, this is not the first time that the topic has
> come up [3, 4]. "In the past, OLPC was amenable to the use of the xo logo
> in Sugar, but asked we not use it in marketing materials without a formal
> co-branding licensing agreement."
>
> Personally, I think that OLPC was explicit in making the Sugar artwork
> available under a GPL licence and that this is hence moot. But I am not
> qualified to make that assessment. Consequently, I asked Adam Holt, our SFC
> liaison, to raise the issue with the legal team. Tony asked us to consider
> the following questions:
>
> 1) Why is the XO logo included in the sugar-artwork repo now -- and does
> the SLOBs want to keep it there?
> 2) Assuming the SLOBs want to keep the XO logo in sugar-artwork:  what
> outcome would the SLOBs *prefer* to see happen?  E.g.,
> - Does Sugar want downstream users to be able to redistribute and modify
> Sugar's codebase with or without the XO trademark file included in the
> program?
> - Does the SLOBs want downstream users to be able to modify and
> redistribute the XO trademark image itself, or is that less important to
> Sugar?
>
> The answer to the first part of Tony's first question is that the XO logo
> was part of Sugar from the very beginning -- before Sugar Labs was split
&

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] Motion: To apply to GCI 2017.

[Adam Holt]

+1

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 2:50 AM, Lionel Laské 
wrote:

> +1
>
>  Lionel
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 8:13 AM +0200, "Samson Goddy" <
> samsongo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2017 3:37 AM, "Laura Vargas"  wrote:
>>
>> Hello SLOBs,
>>
>> Walter has mentioned we as SLOB's should decide whether or not Sugar Labs
>> will participate in GCI 2017.
>>
>> I was a Code In mentor back in 2013 and I remember it was a nice
>> experience with a lot of work but rewarded to see Ignacio winning :D
>>
>> So, I think we should keep supporting this program.
>>
>> Motion: Sugar Labs to participate on GCI 2017.
>>
>> Any second?
>>
>> I Second the motion, it is important we participate.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [IAEP] Motion: To appoint Volunteer Laura Vargas as Sugar Labs Financial Manager [was Re: [SLOBS] URGENT action needed]

[Adam Holt]

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

> FYI Laura,
>
> I did not receive any training/mentoring and as far as I know nobody else
> in Sugar Labs has either.  I have published all the ledger commands here,
> that I know of to hopefully get you started: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/
> archive/iaep/2017-August/019935.html
>
> PS a quarterly financial report makes Far More Sense that monthly voodoo /
> feel-good economics, when most transactions are reported at highly
> uncertain times many months after the fact.  20 hours...
>

Clarif: 20 hours/month of anybody's time [is a bad use of anybody's time in
my opinion, to accomplish the stated goal of a quarterly financial report]

to repeatedly run the same numbers is an extremely bad use of anybody's
> time in my opinion, particularly as there are many months with no
> transactions at all.
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> 2017-09-08 7:39 GMT-05:00 Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>:
>>
>>> On Sep 8, 2017 7:43 AM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> 2017-08-14 23:51 GMT-05:00 Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Karen for please responding to these 3 emails I sent you when
>>>> possible:
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> - Aug 9 subject line "Samson Goddy asks for visa supporting docs for
>>>> GSoC visit to USA" [so that his visa is less likely to be denied, as
>>>> happened around mid-June with the French Embassy]
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Adam,
>>>
>>> Am puzzled.
>>>
>>> If board decision on this motion 2017-08-13
>>> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2017-08-13>
>>> was not to approve the travel,
>>>
>>>
>>> You are confusing apples and oranges.
>>>
>>> Apples: The board did not approve a large $627.05 loan/advance to
>>> Samson for travel within Nigeria to attempt to get a US visa.  This large
>>> personal loan/advance was denied in no small part because it could
>>> disappear, if for example the US denies a visa to Samson, similar to what
>>> happened in June with his failed attempt to get a French visa for a Scratch
>>> conference.
>>>
>>> Oranges: Nobody (or nobody in their right mind anyway) is suggesting
>>> Samson should not travel internationally to attend the GSoC mentor summit
>>> in the San Francisco Bay Area Oct 13-15, 2017 as soon as the US visa is
>>> hopefully sorted out soon.  Hopefully Samson can give us an update in the
>>> coming week.
>>>
>>> why are you making related requests to the Conservancy?
>>>
>>>
>>> So that his US visa is less likely to be denied, as happened around
>>> mid-June with the French Embassy.  Thankfully the SFConservancy has
>>> assisted Samson here (AFAIK, Samson can hopefully clarify).
>>>
>>> How about Sugar Labs use its talents to move forward instead of
>>> continually relitigating the past?
>>>
>>> Can we take a pause to consider that for 2018?
>>>
>>
>> Adam,
>>
>> *Thanks to your clarification I know understand you are only requiring
>> documentation and not a transaction and I guess that is OK.*
>>
>> Although I have been granted access to Sugar Labs ledger file, I still
>> have no training nor knowledge to use the commands to obtain reports and
>> publish them properly in the wiki so that community can have access to
>> Sugar Labs Financial reports.
>>
>> If you are willing to mentor me in the use of the ledger commands, I may
>> be able to dedicate weekly time to the Financial Manager position and
>> assume the responsibility of learning and documenting all the how to's for
>> publishing Sugar Labs financial reports at the wiki :D
>>
>> *Motion: To appoint Sugar Labs Oversight Board member Laura Vargas as
>> Sugar Labs Financial Manager with a monthly stipend of US$ 200 in
>> accordance with *AGREED MOTION 2017-13*. *
>>
>> I hope we can work together and publish solid financial reports soon.
>> Feel free to modify up or down the amount of the stipend. I estimated this
>> task will require to start at least twenty (20) monthly hours of high
>> concentration since I have to learn all the procedures.
>>
>> I also hope to count with anyone interested in making this process
>> automated from the ledger file to the wiki publication in the mid-short
>> term.
>>
>> Regards,
>> --
>> Laura V.
>> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>>
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>> ~ L. Victoria
>>
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>>
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] Motion: To appoint Volunteer Laura Vargas as Sugar Labs Financial Manager [was Re: [SLOBS] URGENT action needed]

[Adam Holt]

FYI Laura,

I did not receive any training/mentoring and as far as I know nobody else
in Sugar Labs has either.  I have published all the ledger commands here,
that I know of to hopefully get you started:
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-August/019935.html

PS a quarterly financial report makes Far More Sense that monthly voodoo /
feel-good economics, when most transactions are reported at highly
uncertain times many months after the fact.  20 hours or anybody's time to
repeatedly run the same numbers is an extremely bad use of anybody's time
in my opinion, particularly as there are many months with no transactions
at all.


On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:

>
>
> 2017-09-08 7:39 GMT-05:00 Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>:
>
>> On Sep 8, 2017 7:43 AM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>>
>> 2017-08-14 23:51 GMT-05:00 Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>:
>>
>>> Thanks Karen for please responding to these 3 emails I sent you when
>>> possible:
>>> ...
>>>
>>> - Aug 9 subject line "Samson Goddy asks for visa supporting docs for
>>> GSoC visit to USA" [so that his visa is less likely to be denied, as
>>> happened around mid-June with the French Embassy]
>>>
>>>
>> Adam,
>>
>> Am puzzled.
>>
>> If board decision on this motion 2017-08-13
>> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2017-08-13> was
>> not to approve the travel,
>>
>>
>> You are confusing apples and oranges.
>>
>> Apples: The board did not approve a large $627.05 loan/advance to Samson
>> for travel within Nigeria to attempt to get a US visa.  This large personal
>> loan/advance was denied in no small part because it could disappear, if for
>> example the US denies a visa to Samson, similar to what happened in June
>> with his failed attempt to get a French visa for a Scratch conference.
>>
>> Oranges: Nobody (or nobody in their right mind anyway) is suggesting
>> Samson should not travel internationally to attend the GSoC mentor summit
>> in the San Francisco Bay Area Oct 13-15, 2017 as soon as the US visa is
>> hopefully sorted out soon.  Hopefully Samson can give us an update in the
>> coming week.
>>
>> why are you making related requests to the Conservancy?
>>
>>
>> So that his US visa is less likely to be denied, as happened around
>> mid-June with the French Embassy.  Thankfully the SFConservancy has
>> assisted Samson here (AFAIK, Samson can hopefully clarify).
>>
>> How about Sugar Labs use its talents to move forward instead of
>> continually relitigating the past?
>>
>> Can we take a pause to consider that for 2018?
>>
>
> Adam,
>
> *Thanks to your clarification I know understand you are only requiring
> documentation and not a transaction and I guess that is OK.*
>
> Although I have been granted access to Sugar Labs ledger file, I still
> have no training nor knowledge to use the commands to obtain reports and
> publish them properly in the wiki so that community can have access to
> Sugar Labs Financial reports.
>
> If you are willing to mentor me in the use of the ledger commands, I may
> be able to dedicate weekly time to the Financial Manager position and
> assume the responsibility of learning and documenting all the how to's for
> publishing Sugar Labs financial reports at the wiki :D
>
> *Motion: To appoint Sugar Labs Oversight Board member Laura Vargas as
> Sugar Labs Financial Manager with a monthly stipend of US$ 200 in
> accordance with *AGREED MOTION 2017-13*. *
>
> I hope we can work together and publish solid financial reports soon. Feel
> free to modify up or down the amount of the stipend. I estimated this task
> will require to start at least twenty (20) monthly hours of high
> concentration since I have to learn all the procedures.
>
> I also hope to count with anyone interested in making this process
> automated from the ledger file to the wiki publication in the mid-short
> term.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Laura V.
> * I SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>
> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> ~ L. Victoria
>
> Happy Learning!
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> #Projects4good
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>



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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

[Adam Holt]

On Sep 8, 2017 7:43 AM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:

2017-08-14 23:51 GMT-05:00 Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>:

> Thanks Karen for please responding to these 3 emails I sent you when
> possible:
> ...
>
> - Aug 9 subject line "Samson Goddy asks for visa supporting docs for GSoC
> visit to USA" [so that his visa is less likely to be denied, as happened
> around mid-June with the French Embassy]
>
>
Adam,

Am puzzled.

If board decision on this motion 2017-08-13
<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions#2017-08-13> was
not to approve the travel,


You are confusing apples and oranges.

Apples: The board did not approve a large $627.05 loan/advance to Samson
for travel within Nigeria to attempt to get a US visa.  This large personal
loan/advance was denied in no small part because it could disappear, if for
example the US denies a visa to Samson, similar to what happened in June
with his failed attempt to get a French visa for a Scratch conference.

Oranges: Nobody (or nobody in their right mind anyway) is suggesting Samson
should not travel internationally to attend the GSoC mentor summit in the
San Francisco Bay Area Oct 13-15, 2017 as soon as the US visa is hopefully
sorted out soon.  Hopefully Samson can give us an update in the coming week.

why are you making related requests to the Conservancy?


So that his US visa is less likely to be denied, as happened around
mid-June with the French Embassy.  Thankfully the SFConservancy has
assisted Samson here (AFAIK, Samson can hopefully clarify).

How about Sugar Labs use its talents to move forward instead of continually
relitigating the past?

Can we take a pause to consider that for 2018?
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Urgent Motion: To add three contributors into the membership/election committee

[Adam Holt]

+1

Thanks all for updating
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance/Committees#Membership_and_Elections_Committee
if this is approved -- with personal background on all Membership/Elections
Committee members -- so we can better avoid conflict-of-interest
accusations/patterns of late, moving on to far more positive+uplifting
efforts soon!


On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> I would think membership on the committee would be a unilateral decision
> by the committee itself. In any case, +1 from me.
>
> -walter
>
> On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Samson Goddy 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am requesting to SLOB. To add Pericherla Seetaramaraju  (Google Summer
>> of Code Intern), Hirish Patel (Contributor and Google Summer of Code
>> Mentor)
>> and Ibiam Chihurumnaya (Member of Sugar Labs). I mentioned at the meeting
>> that we need more members in the Membership/Election committee.
>>
>>
>> I will appreciate if someone second this motion for voting.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Samson Goddy
>>
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Re: [IAEP] Voting reminder (3 days for voting on Motion 2017-08-10: Sugar Labs Financial Manager to have a monthly compensation

[Adam Holt]

+1

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 12:51 AM, Lionel Laské 
wrote:

> Sorry. Miss the motion.
>
> +1
>
> Lionel.
>
> 2017-08-14 19:32 GMT-07:00 Laura Vargas :
>
>> Dear Adam and Lionel,
>>
>> Please share your vote before voting period closes on 2017-08-17. I
>> changed the word compensation for stipend as James suggested but abstained
>> from adding the US$100/monthly compensation suggested.
>>
>> Motion: *Sugar Labs Financial Manager will have a monthly stipend of US$
>> TBD* in exchange for:
>> 1 complete financial report per quarter and it's publication on the Sugar
>> Labs Finance Wiki page maximum 30 calendar days after the end of the
>> period. The format to be used should be compatible with the
>> International Financial Reporting Standards* or it's equivalent in the
>> U.S..
>>
>> *see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Financial_Report
>> ing_Standards
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Laura V
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

[Adam Holt]

Thanks Karen for please responding to these 3 emails I sent you when
possible:

- July 12 subject line "Donation from Facebook" [paperwork required so
donations can flow to Sugar Labs]
- Aug 4 subject line "Donation from Facebook" [paperwork required so
donations can flow to Sugar Labs]
- Aug 9 subject line "Samson Goddy asks for visa supporting docs for GSoC
visit to USA" [so that his visa is less likely to be denied, as happened
around mid-June with the French Embassy]

If possible, a response would also be appreciated to this email sent to
account...@sfconservancy.org :

- Aug 4 subject line "ACTION REQUIRED: GCI Grand Prize Trip and Org
Donations - Sugar Labs" [how do we work together to recover $9400 promised
by Google to account...@sfconservancy.org on April 14?]

Separately it would be extremely helpful if SFConservancy can clarify all
accounts that today continue have access to Sugar Labs' financials, and
whether it would (presumably) be very wise to deprecate several ancient
such accounts known to be created in 2008-to-2015.

Additionally can SFConservancy assist providing svn credentials to any
person(s) that the Sugar Labs Oversight Board chooses to be trustworthy
enough have live ongoing & historical access to Sugar Labs' financial
records.  I'd personally motion for Laura Vargas to have such access, and
hope that other SLOBS members could confirm such in a vote during the
coming week, so that SFConservancy can then proceed if Laura Vargas is
indeed dedicating herself to this intensive task.

PS if other Board members also require detailed financial access to all
records since 2008 (now or in future) and are fully willing to stand up to
all associated responsibilities (including spending extensive time learning
the "ledger" command and protecting privacy of all) then please make that
known.

Finally thank you to Karen Sandler for pointing out that Sugar Labs
Election/Membership Committee could probably do substantially better
communicating election candidates & results @
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2016-2017-candidates (or
similar) as was done in all prior years:

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2015-2016-candidates
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2014-2015-candidates
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2013-2014-candidates
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2012-2013-candidates
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2011-2012-candidates
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2010-2011-candidates
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2009-2010-candidates


On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 11:25 PM, Karen Sandler 
wrote:

>
> Hi SLOBs,
>
> Conservancy staff doesn't follow our member projects mailing lists - the
> proj...@sfconservancy.org are always the official communication point
> between Conservancy and its member projects. As I hope you can appreciate,
> we have 45 member projects (including Outreachy, which has around 80
> internships per year that we administer). This thread has come to our
> attention though, and I want to clear up a few things.
>
> * Good communication with Conservancy
>
> We rely on SLOBs and the official Sugar representative to let us know when
> you approve some action and need us to do something. For example, no one
> notified us of the election results earlier in this year. In researching
> the issues that came up today, we discovered that the election happened,
> and we will update our records under the Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement (and
> the sugar@ alias) accordingly. We don't object to hiring someone to
> communicate with us or to rely on volunteers. If you do hire someone, we
> will rely on volunteers to let us know that the paid representative should
> be paid and that we can rely on their instructions (and then again if you
> decide not to have that person work for you anymore). We expect to
> communicate directly with the sugar@ alias and we cannot be expected to
> closely read mailing lists dedicated to other matters in case there is
> something mentioned that is relevant to us. We operate on a shoestring
> budget and have a staff of only 4 full time people.
>
> * Books and records
>
> As you know, we make our books available to Sugar on an ongoing basis,
> allowing you to generate your own reports. Until our accounts are closed
> for the year (and audited), there's a chance that transactions may not have
> been fully entered. Google recently switched payment methods for GCI and
> GSoC, and we haven't adjusted the bookkeeping on that yet, so it is lagging
> a bit. Google is regularly invoiced for all the GSoC and GCI funds for all
> projects, and we don't think there's any concern about payment from Google
> being uncertain. Google has never failed to pay Conservancy funds owed for
> our member projects.
>
> As we've mention before, if there is an item missing in the ledger that
> you want us to expedite checking on, just ask us.
>
> * Transparency
>
> 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

[Adam Holt]

Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.

But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a dangerous
precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.

As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
matters.

I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan he
in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.

*It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life in
Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly incredible
things in his life.*


On Aug 13, 2017 2:54 AM, "Lionel Laské"  wrote:


Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to hear from him before
voting.
In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain".

 Lionel.


2017-08-12 15:27 GMT-07:00 Tabitha Roder :

> I think Sugar Labs should approve the $US 627.05 travel advance for
> Samson Goddy.
> Tabitha
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2017 8:44 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>
>> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence, so
>> please respond ASAP.
>>
>> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative to
>> the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel advance
>> to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including wire
>> fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel advance. (As
>> additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in travel
>> expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our other
>> representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would be
>> available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will be
>> negligible.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
>> account...@sfconservancy.org>
>> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
>> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance
>> for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
>> To: su...@sfconservancy.org
>> Cc: Martin Michlmayr , Samson Goddy <
>> samsongo...@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Sugar Labs PLC,  please urgently page down to the all caps section below.
>>
>> Samson,
>>
>> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
>> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to su...@sfconservancy.org
>> for
>> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the embassy
>> to
>> > accept appointment for interview.
>> >
>> > I haven't heard anything from both parties.
>>
>> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
>> approve the expense.  I don't know why they haven't replied.
>>
>> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:
>>
>>   FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY
>> ASKS
>>   FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
>>   2017).  The totals are as follows:
>>
>>   If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)
>>
>>   If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be
>> wired.
>>wire fees
>>
>> If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night US/Eastern, we
>> can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.
>>
>>
>> We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial effort
>> for
>> us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees as
>> it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.
>>
>> Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong totals
>> above, please correct them.
>>
>> Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this
>> request,
>> could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before are
>> still correct, and if not, send me new ones?
>>
>> --
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>> Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy
>>  |--> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment
>> Pls support Conservancy!: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [IAEP] Today's meeting topic: Financial report first quarter 2017 by mail

[Adam Holt]

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:04 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 5:03 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> 1) Detailed Sugar Labs financial info is provided for the entirety of
>> 2016 and 2017-to-date below.  The entirety of Sugar Labs financial info is
>> almost 1/3 of gigabyte as checked out from SFC, so more details can be
>> obtained later this year should finer details be truly necessary, with a
>> finer-toothed comb, to de-identify personal home address and very personal
>> account numbers therein, which make everyone vulnerable to identify theft.
>> Until then, this below provides a very detailed picture of all funds
>> received and spent over the past 19 months.
>>
>> 2) Karen Sandler (SFConservancy Exec Director) and Tony Sebro
>> (SFConservancy General Counsel) have been contacted to see if they can help
>> clear up difficult paperwork Facebook requires to enable donations to Sugar
>> Labs, that Samson Goddy organized 3 weeks ago.  This is not easy but we are
>> hopeful, as Karen & Tony continue to work on this.
>>
>> 3) Bradley Kuhn (SFConservancy President and Distinguished Technologist,
>> as well as de facto Chief Financial Officer) has been contacted to see if
>> Sugar Labs is on track to receive the "$9400" GCI (Google Code-in) gift
>> described in the April 14, 2017 email from Google.  Thanks Walter for
>> forwarding this email originally sent to Bradley and cc'ing Walter Bender
>> to see what next steps are required here.  As there is no sign of this in
>> Sugar Labs' financial ledger to date, and it's getting a bit worrisome
>> given the email says "Funds will be transferred by May 3, 2017" etc.
>>
>>
>> # Balance (remember that 10% of everything has to be paid to
>> SFConservancy)
>>
>> $ ledger -V  -s -S T -d  "T<=2" -f sugar.ledger bal
>> '/^(Income|Expenses).*Sugar/'
>>$ -299,299.52  Income:Sugar
>> $ 225,716.12  Expenses:Sugar
>> 
>> $ -73,583.40  *[this balance should appear as a positive number,
>> but accountants have their traditions, be forgiving]*
>>
>>
>> # Listing of current unpaid invoices with amounts   *[I am asking for
>> SFConservancy for clarification on both large amounts below, ideally by
>> responding directly to this email, and if both payments are stuck what we
>> should do about it?!]*
>>
>> $ ledger -f sugar.ledger -V  --group-by 'tag("Invoice")' bal /^Accrued/
>> Financial/Invoices/Google-SoC-2016/2016-11-18_Google-SoC-201
>> 6_omnibus-mentor-pay
>>   $ 6,300.00  Accrued:Accounts Receivable:Sugar
>>
>
Above was first recorded in ledger 2016-09-12, almost 11 months ago.  How
do we figure out what's blocking this transaction?


> Projects/Sugar/Expenses/GCI-2016/2016-06-10_Google_Sugar_invoice-
>> 2016061000 <%28201%29%20606-1000>_as-s
>>$ -563.20  Accrued:Accounts Payable:Sugar
>>
>
Above (seems) to relate to a GCI flight of Mariah Noelle Villarreal's that
was first recorded in the ledger more than 2 years ago on 2015-05-22.
Clues?


> Projects/Sugar/Expenses/GSoC-Mentor-Summit-2013/2013-11-08_D
>> eCausemaker_RIT-invo
>>  $ -0.40  Accrued:Accounts Payable:Sugar
>>
>>
>> # List income/expenses for 2017
>>
>> $ ledger --group-by 'tag("Program")' -V  -s -S T -d  "T<=2" -f
>> sugar.ledger bal '/^(Income|Expenses).*Sugar/' -b 2017
>> Sugar:Development
>>   $ 6,500.00  Expenses:Sugar
>>
>
Above paid to Outreachy (USA) in June 2017.

Sugar:Translations:Guarani
>> $ 900.00  Expenses:Sugar
>>
>
Above paid to Martin Oesterreich (Paraguay) in April 2017.


> Sugar:Translations:Spanish
>>  $ 38.00  Expenses:Sugar
>>
>
Above is a banking fee relating to Edgar Quispe Chambi (Ecuador) Spanish
translation of Turtle Art/Blocks, paid in January 2017.



> # List income/expenses for 2016
>>
>> $ ledger --group-by 'tag("Program")' -V  -s -S T -d  "T<=2" -f
>> sugar.ledger bal '/^(Income|Expenses).*Sugar/' -b 2016 -e 2017
>> Sugar:Conferences:Constructionism:2016
>>   $ 1,735.15  Expenses:Sugar
>>
>> Sugar:Conferences:GCI:Summit:2016
>> $ 563.20  Expenses:Sugar
>>
>> Sugar:Conferences:GSoC Mentor Summit:2016
>>   $ 1,531.09  Expenses:Sugar
>> $ -42.46  Income:Sugar
>> 
>>   $ 1,488.63
>>
>> Sugar:Conferences:Simposio Internacial:2016
>> 

Re: [IAEP] Today's meeting topic: Financial report first quarter 2017 by mail

[Adam Holt]

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 5:03 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

> 1) Detailed Sugar Labs financial info is provided for the entirety of 2016
> and 2017-to-date below.  The entirety of Sugar Labs financial info is
> almost 1/3 of gigabyte as checked out from SFC, so more details can be
> obtained later this year should finer details be truly necessary, with a
> finer-toothed comb, to de-identify personal home address and very personal
> account numbers therein, which make everyone vulnerable to identify theft.
> Until then, this below provides a very detailed picture of all funds
> received and spent over the past 19 months.
>
> 2) Karen Sandler (SFConservancy Exec Director) and Tony Sebro
> (SFConservancy General Counsel) have been contacted to see if they can help
> clear up difficult paperwork Facebook requires to enable donations to Sugar
> Labs, that Samson Goddy organized 3 weeks ago.  This is not easy but we are
> hopeful, as Karen & Tony continue to work on this.
>
> 3) Bradley Kuhn (SFConservancy President and Distinguished Technologist,
> as well as de facto Chief Financial Officer) has been contacted to see if
> Sugar Labs is on track to receive the "$9400" GCI (Google Code-in) gift
> described in the April 14, 2017 email from Google.  Thanks Walter for
> forwarding this email originally sent to Bradley and cc'ing Walter Bender
> to see what next steps are required here.  As there is no sign of this in
> Sugar Labs' financial ledger to date, and it's getting a bit worrisome
> given the email says "Funds will be transferred by May 3, 2017" etc.
>
>
> # Balance (remember that 10% of everything has to be paid to SFConservancy)
>
> $ ledger -V  -s -S T -d  "T<=2" -f sugar.ledger bal
> '/^(Income|Expenses).*Sugar/'
>$ -299,299.52  Income:Sugar
> $ 225,716.12  Expenses:Sugar
> 
> $ -73,583.40  *[this balance should appear as a positive number,
> but accountants have their traditions, be forgiving]*
>
>
> # Listing of current unpaid invoices with amounts   *[I am asking for
> SFConservancy for clarification on both large amounts below, ideally by
> responding directly to this email, and if both payments are stuck what we
> should do about it?!]*
>
> $ ledger -f sugar.ledger -V  --group-by 'tag("Invoice")' bal /^Accrued/
> Financial/Invoices/Google-SoC-2016/2016-11-18_Google-SoC-201
> 6_omnibus-mentor-pay
>   $ 6,300.00  Accrued:Accounts Receivable:Sugar
>
> Projects/Sugar/Expenses/GCI-2016/2016-06-10_Google_Sugar_invoice-
> 2016061000 <%28201%29%20606-1000>_as-s
>$ -563.20  Accrued:Accounts Payable:Sugar
>
> Projects/Sugar/Expenses/GSoC-Mentor-Summit-2013/2013-11-08_D
> eCausemaker_RIT-invo
>  $ -0.40  Accrued:Accounts Payable:Sugar
>
>
> # List income/expenses for 2017
>
> $ ledger --group-by 'tag("Program")' -V  -s -S T -d  "T<=2" -f
> sugar.ledger bal '/^(Income|Expenses).*Sugar/' -b 2017
> Sugar:Development
>   $ 6,500.00  Expenses:Sugar
>
> Sugar:Translations:Guarani
> $ 900.00  Expenses:Sugar
>
> Sugar:Translations:Spanish
>  $ 38.00  Expenses:Sugar
>
>
> # List income/expenses for 2016
>
> $ ledger --group-by 'tag("Program")' -V  -s -S T -d  "T<=2" -f
> sugar.ledger bal '/^(Income|Expenses).*Sugar/' -b 2016 -e 2017
> Sugar:Conferences:Constructionism:2016
>   $ 1,735.15  Expenses:Sugar
>
> Sugar:Conferences:GCI:Summit:2016
> $ 563.20  Expenses:Sugar
>
> Sugar:Conferences:GSoC Mentor Summit:2016
>   $ 1,531.09  Expenses:Sugar
> $ -42.46  Income:Sugar
> 
>   $ 1,488.63
>
> Sugar:Conferences:Simposio Internacial:2016
> $ 161.87  Expenses:Sugar
>
> Sugar:Conferences:Turtle Art Day:2016:PY
>   $ 1,387.78  Expenses:Sugar
>
> Sugar:Conferences:Turtle Art Day:2016:UY
> $ 559.00  Expenses:Sugar
>
> Sugar:GCI:2015
>  $ -6,300.00  Income:Sugar
>
> Sugar:GSoC:2016
>  $ -5,670.00  Income:Sugar
>
> Sugar:Investment
>$ -187.88  Income:Sugar
>
> Sugar:Translations:Spanish
> $ 800.00  Expenses:Sugar
>

Clarif: my rough understanding (others correct me if I'm wrong) is that the
above $800 went to Chambi Edgar Quispe in Ecuador to translate Turtle Art /
Turtle Blocks into Spanish, in 2 separate payments of $200 (April 2016) and
$600 (Feb 2017).  Others like Chris Leonard can better clarify Laura
Vargas' question about how translation funds are allocated/confirmed/etc.

Certainly the years can be confusing, when transactions like this post to
the ledger

Re: [IAEP] Today's meeting topic: Financial report first quarter 2017 by mail

[Adam Holt]

1) Detailed Sugar Labs financial info is provided for the entirety of 2016
and 2017-to-date below.  The entirety of Sugar Labs financial info is
almost 1/3 of gigabyte as checked out from SFC, so more details can be
obtained later this year should finer details be truly necessary, with a
finer-toothed comb, to de-identify personal home address and very personal
account numbers therein, which make everyone vulnerable to identify theft.
Until then, this below provides a very detailed picture of all funds
received and spent over the past 19 months.

2) Karen Sandler (SFConservancy Exec Director) and Tony Sebro
(SFConservancy General Counsel) have been contacted to see if they can help
clear up difficult paperwork Facebook requires to enable donations to Sugar
Labs, that Samson Goddy organized 3 weeks ago.  This is not easy but we are
hopeful, as Karen & Tony continue to work on this.

3) Bradley Kuhn (SFConservancy President and Distinguished Technologist, as
well as de facto Chief Financial Officer) has been contacted to see if
Sugar Labs is on track to receive the "$9400" GCI (Google Code-in) gift
described in the April 14, 2017 email from Google.  Thanks Walter for
forwarding this email originally sent to Bradley and cc'ing Walter Bender
to see what next steps are required here.  As there is no sign of this in
Sugar Labs' financial ledger to date, and it's getting a bit worrisome
given the email says "Funds will be transferred by May 3, 2017" etc.


# Balance (remember that 10% of everything has to be paid to SFConservancy)

$ ledger -V  -s -S T -d  "T<=2" -f sugar.ledger bal
'/^(Income|Expenses).*Sugar/'
   $ -299,299.52  Income:Sugar
$ 225,716.12  Expenses:Sugar

$ -73,583.40  *[this balance should appear as a positive number,
but accountants have their traditions, be forgiving]*


# Listing of current unpaid invoices with amounts   *[I am asking for
SFConservancy for clarification on both large amounts below, ideally by
responding directly to this email, and if both payments are stuck what we
should do about it?!]*

$ ledger -f sugar.ledger -V  --group-by 'tag("Invoice")' bal /^Accrued/
Financial/Invoices/Google-SoC-2016/2016-11-18_Google-SoC-
2016_omnibus-mentor-pay
  $ 6,300.00  Accrued:Accounts Receivable:Sugar

Projects/Sugar/Expenses/GCI-2016/2016-06-10_Google_Sugar_invoice-2016061000
<%28201%29%20606-1000>_as-s
   $ -563.20  Accrued:Accounts Payable:Sugar

Projects/Sugar/Expenses/GSoC-Mentor-Summit-2013/2013-11-08_
DeCausemaker_RIT-invo
 $ -0.40  Accrued:Accounts Payable:Sugar


# List income/expenses for 2017

$ ledger --group-by 'tag("Program")' -V  -s -S T -d  "T<=2" -f
sugar.ledger bal '/^(Income|Expenses).*Sugar/' -b 2017
Sugar:Development
  $ 6,500.00  Expenses:Sugar

Sugar:Translations:Guarani
$ 900.00  Expenses:Sugar

Sugar:Translations:Spanish
 $ 38.00  Expenses:Sugar


# List income/expenses for 2016

$ ledger --group-by 'tag("Program")' -V  -s -S T -d  "T<=2" -f
sugar.ledger bal '/^(Income|Expenses).*Sugar/' -b 2016 -e 2017
Sugar:Conferences:Constructionism:2016
  $ 1,735.15  Expenses:Sugar

Sugar:Conferences:GCI:Summit:2016
$ 563.20  Expenses:Sugar

Sugar:Conferences:GSoC Mentor Summit:2016
  $ 1,531.09  Expenses:Sugar
$ -42.46  Income:Sugar

  $ 1,488.63

Sugar:Conferences:Simposio Internacial:2016
$ 161.87  Expenses:Sugar

Sugar:Conferences:Turtle Art Day:2016:PY
  $ 1,387.78  Expenses:Sugar

Sugar:Conferences:Turtle Art Day:2016:UY
$ 559.00  Expenses:Sugar

Sugar:GCI:2015
 $ -6,300.00  Income:Sugar

Sugar:GSoC:2016
 $ -5,670.00  Income:Sugar

Sugar:Investment
   $ -187.88  Income:Sugar

Sugar:Translations:Spanish
$ 800.00  Expenses:Sugar

Sugar:Translations:Yoruba
  $ 4,000.00  Expenses:Sugar



On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

> Dear Adam,
>
> As Sugar Labs representative and liaison to the Software Freedom
> Conservancy, we ask and thank in advance that you share with the community
> an updated financial report or the necessary data to do it.
>
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance
>
>
>
>
> Regards and blessings,
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [IAEP] Voting systems

[Adam Holt]

On Jul 7, 2017 6:01 PM, "Samson Goddy"  wrote:

I am very sorry, i lost track of time. But i will catch up with the log.


Ugh, me too.

Are any votes required?

Samson

On Jul 7, 2017 10:54 PM, "Sameer Verma"  wrote:

> As per our meeting today, here's a short list of voting systems from
> other projects. Note that in all cases in this list, the voting
> mechanism (as implemented in software) is primarily driven by
> governance policies:
>
> Apache governance: https://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/
> Apache board election: https://wiki.apache.org/general/BoardVoting
>
> Openstack governance: https://governance.openstack.org/
> Openstack board election:
> https://governance.openstack.org/election/#election-system
>
> Drupal governance: https://www.drupal.org/governance
> Drupal board election:
> https://www.drupal.org/association/blog/its-time-to-vote-
> community-elections
>
> Also note that voting on motions as proposed by SLOB members is a
> different use case than voting on SLOB candidacies, even if the
> software used to implement the process is the same.
>
> Here are some related systems that are used for voting.
>
> Concordet Voting: http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/
> Helios: https://heliosvoting.org/
> E-Vote: https://github.com/mdipierro/evote
> OpaVote: https://www.opavote.com/
>
> cheers,
> Sameer
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Adam Holt]

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <nachoe...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sorry I did not reply before.
>
> It's a yes (+1) for me.
> Let's hope everyone votes now!
>

Yes!  This motion will pass (4 out of 7 votes is the bare minimum) with a
big thanks to all for staying engaged in support of Sugar Labs, until all
votes are counted, such that all sincerely held perspectives are respected,
one way or another!

Have a great trip Samson and let's hope the French govt cooperates in
understanding free/open learning from a truly global perspective~

*PS plz let us know your favorite non-Facebook channels if poss, in
addition to your outreach work on FB?*


Thanks,
> Ignacio
>
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To those members who haven't voted.. could you please come and vote.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks you Ignacio, Lionel & Laura if you can please vote Yes or No
>> immediately !!
>>
>> PS i (presume) this motion expires 3:28 PM NYC Time today, in 7+ hours
>> from now, i.e. exactly 1 week after it was seconded and voting began.
>>
>>
>>> It is very disappointing that this motion is still pending. I am to
>>> travel to lagos tomorrow and i really need to know what will happen to the
>>> motion.
>>>
>>> Samson G
>>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2017 11:30 AM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jun 7, 2017 7:59 AM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Lionel, Sameer, Laura & Ignacio,
>>>>
>>>> Can you please try to vote yes or no
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or please formally abstain, but do vote your opinion please!
>>>>
>>>> (As you we're elected to do, setting a tone for forward action — in
>>>> whatever direction your conscience takes you — Thanks All!)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> today
>>>>
>>>> as Samson would need to fly to Lagos immediately this wkd (or Monday
>>>> latest, to get everything in motion) so does need to know what's happening
>>>> ASAP as the wkd approaches, *Thanks All for your consideration!*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 5, 2017 3:28 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i
>>>>>>> didn't get the visa.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails.  That
>>>>>> makes things very clear, thank you Samson.  Be it then resolved:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in
>>>>>> Bordeaux, France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with
>>>>>> Scratch, Sugar Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his 
>>>>>> obtaining
>>>>>> a French visa, including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for 
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> many days as required.  Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Software Freedom Conservancy.  It is understood that if the French
>>>>>> government very unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing
>>>>>> him from attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson
>>>>>> Goddy."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion,
>>>>>> thereby helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ___
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>>>>>> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
>>>>> responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
>>>>> nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be 
>>>>> the
>>>>> only way to get unstuck.
>>>>>
>>>>> -walter
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> Sugar Labs
>>>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>>>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
>>>>>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Adam Holt]

On Jun 9, 2017 6:30 AM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

On Jun 7, 2017 7:59 AM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

Lionel, Sameer, Laura & Ignacio,

Can you please try to vote yes or no


Or please formally abstain, but do vote your opinion please!

(As you


...and we were (:

elected

to do, setting a tone for forward action — in whatever direction your
conscience takes you — Thanks All!)


today

as Samson would need to fly to Lagos immediately this wkd (or Monday
latest, to get everything in motion) so does need to know what's happening
ASAP as the wkd approaches, *Thanks All for your consideration!*


On Jun 5, 2017 3:28 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i didn't
>>> get the visa.
>>>
>>
>> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails.  That makes
>> things very clear, thank you Samson.  Be it then resolved:
>>
>> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in Bordeaux,
>> France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with Scratch, Sugar
>> Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining a French visa,
>> including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as many days as
>> required.  Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the Software
>> Freedom Conservancy.  It is understood that if the French government very
>> unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing him from
>> attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson Goddy."
>>
>> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion,
>> thereby helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
>>
>> ___
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>> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>
>>
> While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
> responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
> nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be the
> only way to get unstuck.
>
> -walter
>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Adam Holt]

On Jun 7, 2017 7:59 AM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

Lionel, Sameer, Laura & Ignacio,

Can you please try to vote yes or no


Or please formally abstain, but do vote your opinion please!

(As you we're elected to do, setting a tone for forward action — in
whatever direction your conscience takes you — Thanks All!)


today

as Samson would need to fly to Lagos immediately this wkd (or Monday
latest, to get everything in motion) so does need to know what's happening
ASAP as the wkd approaches, *Thanks All for your consideration!*


On Jun 5, 2017 3:28 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i didn't
>>> get the visa.
>>>
>>
>> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails.  That makes
>> things very clear, thank you Samson.  Be it then resolved:
>>
>> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in Bordeaux,
>> France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with Scratch, Sugar
>> Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining a French visa,
>> including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as many days as
>> required.  Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the Software
>> Freedom Conservancy.  It is understood that if the French government very
>> unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing him from
>> attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson Goddy."
>>
>> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion,
>> thereby helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
>>
>> ___
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>> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>
>>
> While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
> responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
> nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be the
> only way to get unstuck.
>
> -walter
>
> --
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> Sugar Labs
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Adam Holt]

Lionel, Sameer, Laura & Ignacio,

Can you please try to vote yes or no today as Samson would need to fly to
Lagos immediately this wkd (or Monday latest, to get everything in motion)
so does need to know what's happening ASAP as the wkd approaches, *Thanks
All for your consideration!*


On Jun 5, 2017 3:28 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I will take sole responsibility for the lost and if it happen, i didn't
>>> get the visa.
>>>
>>
>> My apologies I misunderstood earlier, among the many emails.  That makes
>> things very clear, thank you Samson.  Be it then resolved:
>>
>> "To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in Bordeaux,
>> France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with Scratch, Sugar
>> Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining a French visa,
>> including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as many days as
>> required.  Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the Software
>> Freedom Conservancy.  It is understood that if the French government very
>> unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing him from
>> attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by Samson Goddy."
>>
>> Thanks in advance to any board members who can second this motion,
>> thereby helping Samson/Scratch/Sugar move forward!
>>
>> ___
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>> sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>
>>
> While I think it is unconscionable for Sugar Labs not to shoulder the
> responsibility of the visa on behalf of one of our members, I will
> nonetheless second the motion, bad precedent and all, as it seems to be the
> only way to get unstuck.
>
> -walter
>
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[IAEP] MOTION: French visa for Samson Goddy to attend 10-year Anniversary Scratch Conf / 50-year Anniversary of Logo

[Adam Holt]

Please all who can support this motion, thank you for doing so, once [XXX]
is clarified below:

"To support Samson Goddy's attending 2017 Scratch conference in Bordeaux,
France (19-21 July 2017) to strengthen our relationship with Scratch, Sugar
Labs should allocate up to $500 in support of his obtaining a French visa,
including (as nec) travel from Port Harcourt to Lagos for as many days as
required.  Any receipts to this end, Samson will submit to the Software
Freedom Conservancy.  It is understood that if the French government very
unfortunately turns down his visa application, preventing him from
attending Bordeaux, these lost funds will be borne by [XXX]."

Where [XXX] could be Scratch, Sugar Labs, or Samson Goddy -- accountants
don't like financial mystery meat, for very good reason ;)
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SLOB motion

[Adam Holt]

If board members cannot feed themselves in their own country, and
additionally Sugar Labs is being asked to create my-favorite-hotel in
my-favorite-neighborhood welfare handouts for its own board members in
their own countries, we have a far deeper long-term problem on our hands
here, that will unfortunately but certainly not be resolved before June
11/12.

Be It Resolved: we now need to move on.


On Jun 3, 2017 9:39 AM, "Samson Goddy" <samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:



On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

> On Jun 3, 2017 8:37 AM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Please excuse the top post.
>
> I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most
> of you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom
> Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel,
> and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well
> within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the
> costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the
> motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch
> conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence
> that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800
> stated in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will
> second it so we can vote?
>
>
> Humbly Disagree.
>
> The motion needs to be rewritten specifically so that Samson can:
>
> (1) Move forward with applying for his French visa w/o delay.
>
I am to visit Lagos by 12th of june to begin my visa process.

>
> (2) Obtain up to $500 to that specific end.
>
$600(195,000 naira) will be helpful judging by the current exchange rate,
compare to $500.

My request was 260,000 naira, getting up to 195,000 would be nice.


But one question Adam, what if i get the visa and spend higher than what
was proposed due to the naira gaining rate towards the dollar, supposedly
what was approved was $600(195,000 naira as of today exchange rate)?

Shouldn't we agree on using the Naira as the currency here, since it is
going to be reimbursement? Because it might happen that tomorrow, if the
approved money is $600(195,000) went back to $1 = 170 naira. Right now the
rate is $1 = 325 naira. So the $600 might turn up useless if this happens.


When you told me you came to Nigeria, i believe the rate was $1 = 190
naira, that was why things was cheap in Nigeria compare 2017 $1 = 325
naira.


So this should be consider when trying to lower the money from $800 to any
amount. Because i mentioned the amount i need in naira which was 260,000 i
didn't care about the dollars or euro because it might be $400 or even $300
if the economy turn worst.

So 260,000 Nigerian naira is the total amount of my motion as of today.


On financial matters especially — it's important that we build trust, and
> avoid appearances of board members sending financial favors to each other — 
> *by
> saying-what-we-mean and meaning-what-we-say.*
>

But could this be voted on, as walter suggested?

>
>
> Respecting All,
>
> Adam
>

BR

Samson

>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 1, 2017 1:28 PM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a
>>> visa alone.
>>>
>>> Flight and other things connected.
>>>
>>>
>> All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
>> flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
>> ready yet...)
>>
>> Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching
>>>  in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson
>>> would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic
>>> claims have insinuated.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a Nigerian, you are not.
>>>
>>>
>> Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
>> $~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
>> by Lagos Island, I know it well)
>>
>>http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701
>>
>> Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much
>> myself but there are in fact options in every price range.
>>
>> Staying a  standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
>> not an adult yet technically, the 

Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SLOB motion

[Adam Holt]

On Jun 3, 2017 8:37 AM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:

Please excuse the top post.

I'd like to bring some clarity to the discussion of this motion. As most of
you know, Sugar Labs is a member project of the Software Freedom
Conservancy. The Conservancy has well-established guidelines for travel,
and the travel plans in the proposal accompanying the motion are well
within these guidelines. So while I appreciate Adam's help in reducing the
costs of Samson's trip, I think those efforts are a distraction from the
motion itself, which, at its essence is a proposal to attend the Scratch
conference as an invited speaker on behalf of Sugar Labs. I have confidence
that with Adam's help, the costs may well be less than the < US$800 stated
in the motion, but what about the motion? Is there someone who will second
it so we can vote?


Humbly Disagree.

The motion needs to be rewritten specifically so that Samson can:

(1) Move forward with applying for his French visa w/o delay.

(2) Obtain up to $500 to that specific end.

On financial matters especially — it's important that we build trust, and
avoid appearances of board members sending financial favors to each other — *by
saying-what-we-mean and meaning-what-we-say.*

Respecting All,

Adam

regards.

-walter

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Jun 1, 2017 1:28 PM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a
>> visa alone.
>>
>> Flight and other things connected.
>>
>>
> All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
> flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
> ready yet...)
>
> Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching
>>  in Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson
>> would apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic
>> claims have insinuated.
>>
>>
>> I am a Nigerian, you are not.
>>
>>
> Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
> $~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
> by Lagos Island, I know it well)
>
>http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701
>
> Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much myself
> but there are in fact options in every price range.
>
> Staying a  standard hotel, is and always be the best option for me. I am
> not an adult yet technically, the street in Lagos is not meant for people
> like me.
>
> Meaning i can't use this service, only hotels. My parents wouldn't even
> let me try it.
>
> It may sound crazy but that how it is.
>
>
> Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
>>
>>
> Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more
> resourceful than most imagine.
>
> Yeah we all are, but the government isn't.
>
>
> As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION
>> with respect for all and malice toward none* -- up until the point where:
>>
>> 1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
>> policies).
>>
>> If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with  $500-600. Just that it
>> will make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet
>> plan. Half is better than none.
>>
>>
> Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish they
> had this opportunity!
>
>
>> 2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens
>> if the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's
>> visa application.  (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-
>> $500 ?)
>>
>>
> The motion needs to quickly clarify the above.
>
> Frankly, there is no need for this. I said Sugar Labs is not going to give
> me any money or support me until i have my visa that hand. This motion is
> purely for reimbursement.
>
> You made it clear that SL might lose money. So this is how i tend to
> prevent that. I am going to use my personal savings with so little support
> with the scratch community. Then get reimbursed if i am successful.
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOB motion

[Adam Holt]

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:14 AM, Samson Goddy  wrote:

> This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a visa
> alone.
>
> Flight and other things connected.
>
>
All for the sake of 1 visa alone, let's hope it happens (sorry you're
flying instead of taking the new train from Port Harcourt to Lagos isn't
ready yet...)

Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching  in
> Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson would
> apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic claims
> have insinuated.
>
>
> I am a Nigerian, you are not.
>
>
Luckily they charge the same price regardless our ethnicity here at this
$~19/night room in good proximity to the French Embassy in Lagos: (Lekki,
by Lagos Island, I know it well)

   http://airbnb.com/rooms/13639701

Air/conditioning, Internet, Amenities etc...I don't spend this much myself
but there are in fact options in every price range.

Things are crazy expensive in Nigeria.
>
>
Nigeria has a truly great sense of humor and Nigerians are more resourceful
than most imagine.

As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION with
> respect for all and malice toward none* -- up until the point where:
>
> 1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
> policies).
>
> If $800 can't be given to me, i am okay with  $500-600. Just that it will
> make me use lot of my savings i have been keeping for my internet plan.
> Half is better than none.
>
>
Thanks much Samson for being understanding and honoring all who wish they
had this opportunity!


> 2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens
> if the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's
> visa application.  (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-
> $500 ?)
>
>
The motion needs to quickly clarify the above.

Onwards & Upwards ~
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SLOB motion

[Adam Holt]

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 5:47 PM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> I'd like to queue up this motion before our monthly meeting on Friday:
>
> Motion: Allocate $800 towards the expenses associated with Samson Goddy
> presenting Sugar at the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux, France in July 2017
> (See [1] for details).
>

This would set a terrible precedent for Sugar Labs to pay $800 for a visa
alone.

Far worse, when in fact it can be done for less.

Strange that my parents spent an important part of their lives teaching in
Nigeria and I happen to know more about modern Lagos (where Samson would
apply for his French govt visa) than a steady stream of hyperbolic claims
have insinuated.

As such I will continue to vote My Conscience -- *AGAINST THIS MOTION with
respect for all and malice toward none* -- up until the point where:

1) The total is reduced to $500 (receipts provided per SFConservancy
policies).

2) It is clarified in writing (within the motion or nearby) what happens if
the money disappears, if the French Govt insists on rejecting Samson's visa
application.  (In short: would Sugar Labs or Scratch pay this up-to-$500 ?)

Important: There's absolutely no need to wait for a monthly meeting here,
so that Samson (or other urgent matters such as this) are not left waiting.


[1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG15sUFpzBe
> uBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing
>
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Re: [IAEP] Funds for local cost

[Adam Holt]

$900 for a visa alone is far too much -- whether or not this money all
disappears -- if the French govt turns it down, they are making a big
mistake, but it could happen.  Whether it's up-to-$900 of Sugar Labs money
that would disappear, or up-to-$900 of Scratch money that would disappear?
(*)

Should the Sugar Labs Board consider allocating $500 maximum (with
receipts) to Sugar Network and $500 maximum (with receipts) to Samson's
visa effort both, each with their own risks/rewards -- so that investments
in different continents occur (somewhat) more equitably?

I spent less than $500 over 3 WEEKS in West Africa, Lagos, etc (including a
very similar visa escapade, working with a very similar
embassy/consulate).  In my case I spent less than $200 TOTAL (including
intercity buses, intracity buses, and the very similarly priced visa, mine
cost more than Samson's estimated $127 visa fees) and indeed took many days
to make this happen.

So we need to bring this to a conclusion in a more humble manner than
throwing money around.  Or speculating on ungodly currency
fluctuations/conversions til the end of time.  Myself I could not spend
$500 in Lagos over a week if I tried, even if I get 1000 more emails from
Samson explaining to the world that I'm an idiot.  Obviously Samson is
coming from a very different upbringing.  So let's be respectful of that.
If he's willing to meet in the middle and be resourceful on his own end,
then we can move forward~


(*) How do we get this in writing (who exactly is stuck with the bill if
the French govt regrettably turns down Samson) so everyone can vote their
conscience, truly understanding what's being proposed?


On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I totally understand,
>
> I don't  have friends or family in Lagos, the only person i made contact
> with, is someone i met in a conference at Port Harcourt. All my contacts,
> family members are all in the south-south region.
>
> The person i made contact with stays in Ikeja the capital of lagos. Where
> i am going is 2 hours(if there are no traffic) away from the
> consulate(lekki). He has lot of family members staying with him. I can't
> force my way in.
>
> Previously i proposed to stay in lagos for 3 days but it was recommended
> by the consulate that i can stay up to a week but not a must.
>
> I don't know where in lagos you said you stayed or what year? Because all
> of these things were proposed based on how things are in 2017.
>
> I am not using SL money to live large in lagos, i dont see how 15,000 per
> night is expensive? Please dont use the dollar to judge this proposal
> because we don't use dollar in Nigeria. We convert them to naira.
>
> I used this sign for a reason ~€800 but to be precise is €744. Why?
> Because the naira gain or lose every hour.
>
> Please make some research about what is going on in Nigeria currently.
>
> The team in Bordeaux spent around $300 for my passport and some things
> that needed to be done to get my passport while in Port Harcourt.
>
> Now i am going to lagos, booking flight and you expect the proposal to be
> the same while i did just my passport without traveling?
>
> Samson
>
>
> On May 31, 2017 2:38 PM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
> Why spend up to $300 of Sugar Labs' piggy bank to save yourself an hour
> or two?  (I've crossed Lagos many times, in traffic, and in this case we
> hope only 1 or 2 visits to the French Consulate are required!)
>
> Please could you Samson consider your friend's home in Lagos (for many of
> those nights, if a consular wait is required) particularly if in the end
> you do not like (highly-reviewed) $20-30/night Airbnb rooms in Lagos?
>
> I am not asking you to live like the other Nigerians I know (who like
> myself, In Fact choose to stay in Lagos more humbly for $10-20 total per
> day, but please also find ways to respect those/all who choose to live a
> more lo-fi lifestyle in a hi-fi world, as Sugar Labs' seeks to invest its
> piggy bank broadly across all nations' most dynamic learning communities
> where possible!!)
>
>
> On May 31, 2017 8:02 AM, "Samson Goddy" <samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On May 31, 2017 3:53 AM, "Samson Goddy" <samsongo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 1:51 AM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> This is a spinoff motion [1] from the previous one i proposed. The main
>>>> purpose of this proposal is to help support my tr

Re: [IAEP] Funds for local cost

[Adam Holt]

Why spend up to $300 of Sugar Labs' piggy bank to save yourself an hour or
two?  (I've crossed Lagos many times, in traffic, and in this case we hope
only 1 or 2 visits to the French Consulate are required!)

Please could you Samson consider your friend's home in Lagos (for many of
those nights, if a consular wait is required) particularly if in the end
you do not like (highly-reviewed) $20-30/night Airbnb rooms in Lagos?

I am not asking you to live like the other Nigerians I know (who like
myself, In Fact choose to stay in Lagos more humbly for $10-20 total per
day, but please also find ways to respect those/all who choose to live a
more lo-fi lifestyle in a hi-fi world, as Sugar Labs' seeks to invest its
piggy bank broadly across all nations' most dynamic learning communities
where possible!!)


On May 31, 2017 8:02 AM, "Samson Goddy" <samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

> On May 31, 2017 3:53 AM, "Samson Goddy" <samsongo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 1:51 AM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> This is a spinoff motion [1] from the previous one i proposed. The main
>>> purpose of this proposal is to help support my trip to bordeaux especially
>>> on local expenses. This is a well thought proposal, since the community
>>> can't afford to send me and ibiam to bordeaux. I made a solo motion for
>>> just me, because the scratch team will be taking care of my flight and
>>> hotel cost in france.
>>>
>>> As per Adam's request on the last motion. My plan is to get money from
>>> scratch team to cover the ~800 euros cost for this proposal then get
>>> reimbursed if i successfully get my visa for travel. So the community will
>>> not border about losing money if i don't get the visa.
>>>
>>
>> Can you break down this $~900 (€800) into a more precise budget please,
>> explaining exactly what's needed?  Thanks as the following paragraphs don't
>> give enough information to understand why $~900 is being sought:
>>
>
> What i need exactly is 260,000 nigerian naira which i see now is $826. But
> the nigerian local go up and down every hour towards the dollar, euros and
> pounds. I will be changing the local currency from either euros or dollar
> to my local currency and also buy euros again with the naira when i want to
> leave Nigeria.
>
>
> 1. Return flight to Lagos $200 via Arik Air
>
>
> +1 so we don't have to argue with your parents (bus to Lagos worked for
> me).
>
> 2. An uber or taxi from the local terminal (Airport) to Lekki where i
> supposedly will be staying for 1-6 working days. (15,000 nigerian naira)
>
>
> My Lagos airport bus, including a connection to cross the city, was about
> $2.
>

I still do not know how you did it, well i am guessing when you came to
Nigeria was 2015, 2016 period. Because, i travelled to lagos when i was
going to nairobi(April 2017), and it took me 5,000 naira to move from the
local terminal airport to the international airport by a cab. So imagine
heading to a place that is 2:30 minutes away from that same airport.

>
> 3. I called the consulate in lagos, they advise me to stay for minimum of
> 1 week, so that if they need any supporting document they can easily tell
> me to rush down to their office without coming from Port Harcourt again. So
> i will be staying for 1-6 days in lagos (80,000 to 90,000)
>
>
> Airbnb.com has many well-reviewed rooms incl WiFi for $20 to $30 per
> night.
>
> $10 to $20 per night options also exist on Airbnb (insist on reviews, to
> avoid fraud).  Personally I stayed in low-end hotels for about $5 to
> 10 per night, as I did during my 3 weeks in West Africa.
>
> You friend's home in Lagos (per the original plan) might also be an option.
>

Yeah, my friend's place is far from lekki, so that is not an option.

Expensive hotel rooms in Lagos are from 60,000 per night to 1 million naira
compare that to 15,000 naira per night room in one of the most expensive
environment in lagos.

My hotel bill is 15,000 naira per night.

>
> 4. The closest hotel i have seens so far is 20 minute drive to the
> consulate's office.  So taxi fares will be included, i can't be sure of how
> much they pay because Lekki is one of the V.I.P areas for rich folks in
> lagos.
>
>
> I traveled to 10 different neighborhoods in Lagos and never paid more than
> about $1 for the bus.  My linguistic skills are low (luckily yours are
> not, still keep GPS handy) but I always got to my destination quickly.
>
>

Re: [IAEP] Funds for local cost

[Adam Holt]

On May 31, 2017 3:53 AM, "Samson Goddy" <samsongo...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 1:51 AM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> This is a spinoff motion [1] from the previous one i proposed. The main
>> purpose of this proposal is to help support my trip to bordeaux especially
>> on local expenses. This is a well thought proposal, since the community
>> can't afford to send me and ibiam to bordeaux. I made a solo motion for
>> just me, because the scratch team will be taking care of my flight and
>> hotel cost in france.
>>
>> As per Adam's request on the last motion. My plan is to get money from
>> scratch team to cover the ~800 euros cost for this proposal then get
>> reimbursed if i successfully get my visa for travel. So the community will
>> not border about losing money if i don't get the visa.
>>
>
> Can you break down this $~900 (€800) into a more precise budget please,
> explaining exactly what's needed?  Thanks as the following paragraphs don't
> give enough information to understand why $~900 is being sought:
>

What i need exactly is 260,000 nigerian naira which i see now is $826. But
the nigerian local go up and down every hour towards the dollar, euros and
pounds. I will be changing the local currency from either euros or dollar
to my local currency and also buy euros again with the naira when i want to
leave Nigeria.


1. Return flight to Lagos $200 via Arik Air


+1 so we don't have to argue with your parents (bus to Lagos worked for me).

2. An uber or taxi from the local terminal (Airport) to Lekki where i
supposedly will be staying for 1-6 working days. (15,000 nigerian naira)


My Lagos airport bus, including a connection to cross the city, was about $2
.

3. I called the consulate in lagos, they advise me to stay for minimum of 1
week, so that if they need any supporting document they can easily tell me
to rush down to their office without coming from Port Harcourt again. So i
will be staying for 1-6 days in lagos (80,000 to 90,000)


Airbnb.com has many well-reviewed rooms incl WiFi for $20 to $30 per night.

$10 to $20 per night options also exist on Airbnb (insist on reviews, to
avoid fraud).  Personally I stayed in low-end hotels for about $5 to 10 per
night, as I did during my 3 weeks in West Africa.

You friend's home in Lagos (per the original plan) might also be an option.

4. The closest hotel i have seens so far is 20 minute drive to the
consulate's office.  So taxi fares will be included, i can't be sure of how
much they pay because Lekki is one of the V.I.P areas for rich folks in
lagos.


I traveled to 10 different neighborhoods in Lagos and never paid more than
about $1 for the bus.  My linguistic skills are low (luckily yours are not,
still keep GPS handy) but I always got to my destination quickly.

5. Since it takes 15 working days to processes a visa i will have to pay
for consulate endorsed or affiliated courier to bring my visa and passport
to Port Harcourt where i live, since i can't stay for 15 working days.
Prices are unknown to me, i will know when i go to lagos.


Understood.

6. My feeding


I was able to eat well in Lagos for $2/day.  Of course I avoid fancy
restaurants, unless a business meeting requires that.

7. Miscellaneous


Progress.  But can you tell us the rough cost of the visa itself?

*Note: *All this are just estimate, because it might go higher based on the
real time exchange rate of foreign currencies to my local currently. This
are very expensive in Nigeria, please don't use Google to check prices of
things in Nigeria because they are not accurate everything goes up and down
in hours.

FYI, when the scratch team offered pay for my passport in April,  they saw
on the internet that my people under 18 in Nigeria pays 15 thousand for
passport. But when i got to the immigration office, i paid 30,000 nigeria
and additional 10,000 to get the passport quicker.

So  $~900 is recommended because the exchange moves every hour. Things are
expensive in Nigeria because people rendering the goods and service uses
the black market rate for some selfish reasons.

See Aboki FX

https://abokifx.com/ for daily prices of things in Nigeria how dollar
affect things.


Samson



>
> "First all the embassy in Nigeria are either in Lagos or Abuja. So he has
> to stay in Lagos or Abuja for the period of obtaining the visa. This will
> cover return flight cost from Port Harcourt to Lagos or Abuja.
>
> I took the bus to Lagos (and the passengers were extraordinarily gracious)
> but if you must fly Port Harcourt to Lagos/Abuja because your parents don't
> allow you to take the bus, that is (about) $100 in each direction.
>
> i have to go to lagos so that i can stay in a friend’s place, 

Re: [IAEP] Funds for local cost

[Adam Holt]

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 7:56 PM, Samson Goddy  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> This is a spinoff motion [1] from the previous one i proposed. The main
> purpose of this proposal is to help support my trip to bordeaux especially
> on local expenses. This is a well thought proposal, since the community
> can't afford to send me and ibiam to bordeaux. I made a solo motion for
> just me, because the scratch team will be taking care of my flight and
> hotel cost in france.
>
> As per Adam's request on the last motion. My plan is to get money from
> scratch team to cover the ~800 euros cost for this proposal then get
> reimbursed if i successfully get my visa for travel. So the community will
> not border about losing money if i don't get the visa.
>

Can you break down this $~900 (€800) into a more precise budget please,
explaining exactly what's needed?  Thanks as the following paragraphs don't
give enough information to understand why $~900 is being sought:

"First all the embassy in Nigeria are either in Lagos or Abuja. So he has
to stay in Lagos or Abuja for the period of obtaining the visa. This will
cover return flight cost from Port Harcourt to Lagos or Abuja.

I took the bus to Lagos (and the passengers were extraordinarily gracious)
but if you must fly Port Harcourt to Lagos/Abuja because your parents don't
allow you to take the bus, that is (about) $100 in each direction.

i have to go to lagos so that i can stay in a friend’s place, but cost of
food will be on it too. The Visa processing takes about minimum of 15 days,
but if the Scratch team request i go to Abuja instead for the visa. The
costs of my hotel bills will be covered by them.

Great if Scratch has offered to cover hotel bills in Abuja (which might not
even be needed if you stay in Lagos?)  Why is Scratch potentially requiring
you visit Abuja?

This money will also serve for transporting me to the different locations
in Bordeaux for the conference. The Conference will be taking place in 3
different areas in Bordeaux, also some taxing fees we’ll have to pay before
we can leave Nigeria to France."

http://www.scratch2017bdx.org/en/map-of-venues/ says the entire week's
transportation costs should be €13, or free if a bikeshare is used
according to http://www.scratch2017bdx.org/en/getting-around/

Thanks Samson for clarifying, so people can vote based on a very real
budget projections.


I hope this get seconded so that it can be voted upon
>
>
>
>
>
> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG15sUFpzBe
> uBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Regards
> Samson G
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Adam Holt]

On May 23, 2017 8:48 PM, "Mariah Noelle Villarreal" 
wrote:

Given all that Samson and Ibiam have done for Sugar Labs and in preparation
for this proposal, I see it as absolutely imperative for Sugar Labs to
support their journey to France for the Scratch conference.

Let's not forget that Scratch is heading into a new direction with Scratch
3.0 and how much Sugar Labs has done in parallel to Scratch by staying true
to making and sharing learning software freely. Now is the time for two of
our best Sugar Labs representatives to engage with the Scratch community.

We have a community obligation to support Samson and Ibiam, especially if
Scratch is up to make space for dialogue and connection for our community
members from hard to reach places.

If you're on the board and haven't voted, I urge you to consider the social
side of our mission in reaching global learners and educators.  Accepting
this proposal will create space for our community members to make deeper
and more meaningful connections.


Intelligent people can disagree.

Personally I will *never* vote (with a capital N, given past patterns of
accounting black holes within Sugar Labs, and a continuing unwillingness to
pay for a Financial Manager) for *any* proposal, no matter the proposal,
that hasn't been had obvious financial risks of disappearing funds fully
vetted & mitigated.

Anything less would not only be shameful, but an abrogation of my ethical
duties as Sugar Labs Financial Liaison to the Software Freedom Conservancy.

WTF indeed (Watch The Financials...)


- Mariah Noelle

On May 23, 2017 9:36 AM, "Chihurumnaya Ibiam" 
wrote:

> Hey Ty, we are attending as "Invited Speakers", there's a group of African
> representatives attending and representing the continent and we're part of
> that group, we are sharing our story -- what role scratch played in leading
> us this far -- and Sugar Labs is part of that story, it'll be nice and good
> to have guys from France attend to cut costs but we have the stage and they
> don't, and we also have the opportunity to conduct an after event mini
> workshop for people who want to know more about Sugar.
>
> *Ibiam Chihurumnaya*
>
> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Tymon Radzik  wrote:
>
>> wt., 23 maj 2017 o 00:37 użytkownik Samson Goddy <
>> samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> napisał:
>>
>>> Thanks for your input Tymon,
>>>
>>> However i perfectly understand that Sugar Labs is NGO.. And also getting
>>> a Schengen visa is also hard too. But also, bare in mind that before
>>> leaving any country, you have to show prove of paying for your flight and
>>> stay in the arrival country which in this case is france. I also made calls
>>> with the french embassy, we know what we are facing. We already reached out
>>> to the people inviting us from france about some documentations and bank
>>> statements since we are invited. Even the 30,000 euros health insurance is
>>> been taken care of by the team in France.
>>>
>>>
>> If $2,800 is alot of money for the community as most people said. It is
>>> fine, i just wish you can come stay in Nigeria for a week then make travel
>>> arrangement.
>>>
>>
>> Money we have deserves respect, it is shared and we take responsibility
>> for it. Also legal responsibility. Our reputation and well-being requires
>> us to be transparent and make wise financial decisions - minimum cost,
>> maximum benefit.
>>
>> And with all the respect to you and with no prejudice, I need to
>> underline we are not in real need to send people who face problems
>> traveling internatioanlly to represent us on Scratch conference taking
>> place on the other hemisphere, if we can send someone who lives much closer
>> and therefore for much less cost. It is nothing personal, just a rational
>> thought.
>>
>> BTW, in case something bad happens while you're in EU, 30,000 euro health
>> insurance may not be sufficient. Medical services are really expensive
>> there.
>>
>>
>>> I will keep reaching and helping this community in the best way i can,
>>> after all i went to Nairobi without Sugar Labs support. which i happen to
>>> spend more than i expected before of the foreign exchange rate.
>>>
>>>
>> I make no accusations about your community involvement. IMO we just don't
>> need you traveling to France. Money should be spent to reach organization's
>> goals.
>>
>>
>>> I hate repeating myself.. So i will stop replying any questions that is
>>> already answered concerning this motion.
>>>
>>> Like i said, it is up to the community to decide how Sugar Labs runs.
>>>
>>> i want to thank everyone who voted and made some comments but now, i
>>> think i am done talking.
>>>
>>
>> Sure, it's your right. As my right is to express my own opinion about
>> this case.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> FYI, i am not mad or angry, but somehow surprise but not totally not
>>> surprised.
>>>
>>
>> I am sorry, I don't understand this statement at all.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> 

[IAEP] Video: Internet-in-a-Box in the Dominican Republic

[Adam Holt]

Fantastic video, even if I wish they/d credited "Internet-in-a-Box" (all of
us, and our OLPC/Sugar origins) rather than crediting me!  I did not know
this video was coming.  I've asked Columbia Univ folks(*) to more properly
credit Internet-in-a-Box in future :)

   https://youtu.be/xI3Ed008Mxo

(*) under the leadership of Columbia School of Journalism Professor Anne
Nelson, whose grad student team did all the hard work in the Dominican
Republic this spring.  Very honest mistake on their part, as our
http://internet-in-a-Box.org and http://schoolserver.org web sites are
indeed stale.



*Finally if you too are inspired by what rural health workers are doing for
Haitians' rights-to-survive in the Dominican Republic, and want to build
your very own digital library- please do read this important article at
OpenSource.com (also just published) and feel free to ask us @
http://iiab.io  what you need to make it happen:**   How to
create an Internet-in-a-Box on a Raspberry Pi*
   Learn about this inexpensive device for students with restricted internet
   access and people in remote areas of the world not served by broadband.
   https://opensource.com/article/17/5/internet-in-a-box-raspberry-pi

PS developing world hackers & offline content gurus please write me if you
want to attend our larger http://OFF.NETWORK Wikipedia/OpenStreetMap
Hackathon in August for hard-core implementers, --taking "meducational"
humanitarian open content to the next level -- for schools, clinics,
libraries truly everywhere.  Yes that means heading further into the hills
than 5G Helicopter Celebrities, beyond even SUNY Potsdam where our
hackathon will be held ;)  FYI our "Kiwix + Internet-in-Box + Offliners
All" hackathon will be held in conjunction and right after Wikipedia's own
annual community powwow in Montreal (https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org)
co-located right in the same city with DebConf17 (
https://debconf17.debconf.org)
*.  Thanks in advance to open-access librarians / factivist developers all
for getting in touch towards joining us from different corners of the
globe!!*

"Always do right, this will gratify some people and astonish the rest."
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Adam Holt]

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Adam,
>
> The scratch community agrees to cover the $2,800 then get reimbursed as
> you suggest.
>

If Sugar Labs were to approve some such funds, does Scratch understand the
risks that one or more visa might be denied by the French govt, and as such
they might not be reimbursed at all?

How do we get this (or similar) in writing, so as avoid painfully
unecessary he-said/she-said conflicts between Scratch and Sugar Labs, when
the risk that visa(s) are denied remains real in the utmost?

So with this new development can we officially approve the motion so that
> SFC can be inform about the reimbursement.
>
> Ask you requested the Scratch community said funding they have for me is
> around ~ €2200.
>

€2200 is about $2500, seemingly almost covering the very large $2800
requested sum.  Does this mean Sugar Labs' funds are in the end somewhat
incidental?

Or is this possibly a $2500 + $2800 trip?

That would be astonishingly expensive if so, but in any case can you
clarify fully+precisely who is risking how much money might disappear under
different circumstances, and how this will be mitigated?  However
unfortunate it would be if France denies visa(s) to you and/or Ibiam
Chihurumnaya.

So i hope i have answer all questions.
>

It bears reminding that you are requesting a much higher expenditure than
Laura Vargas' recently requested ($500) on a proven multiyear Peru
community project.  Honoring everyone's hard work as much as we can, I
personally cannot vote for Sugar Labs to approve $2800 (or clarify precise
sums) unless there are guarantees (with teeth) that funds (as noble as they
may be) won't be lost.  And/or what precisely happens when funds are in
fact lost.

Very Respectfully - thanks to Scratch investors, Ibiam, Samson & All~


On May 20, 2017 6:29 PM, "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>>> As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
>>> thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
>>> individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
>>> approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
>>> diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact
>>> who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will
>>> be approved?
>>>
>>
>> More explanation please, i didn't really get the point.
>>
>
> You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved.  A single
> applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the French
> government might be the best way.
>
> 3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance,
>>> so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear.  Not reassuring
>>> when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the event.
>>> But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a
>>> friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if
>>> nothing goes wrong with the visa?
>>>
>>
>> I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it.
>>
>
> Speak to them about the above legal question too -- it is possible they
> have high-level contacts within the French govt, to provide the highest
> level of assurance that a particular visa will be approved.
>
> 4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what
>>> community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or
>>> contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to share?
>>>
>> I don't understand, could you explain more.
>>
>
> How specifically will attendee(s) document their contributions, in a more
> permanent/global way -- whether via published photos, videos, ASLO,
> http://scratch.mit.edu and/or a formal report?
>
> (Most grant proposals of almost any kind require the applicant to specify
> what kinds of community documentation will result from the trip...not just
> social media, but that could be one part of it!)
>
>
>> ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered
>>> to contribute?
>>>
>> They will pay my(Samson) flight (PHC > Lagos > Paris > Bordeaux), hotel,
>> foods and visa.
>>
>
> Can you provide a rough estimate for this in USD?
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Adam Holt]

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
>> thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
>> individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
>> approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
>> diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact
>> who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will
>> be approved?
>>
>
> More explanation please, i didn't really get the point.
>

You need to establish evidence that the visa will be approved.  A single
applicant (rather than two) confirmed by a high-level contact in the French
government might be the best way.

3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance,
>> so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear.  Not reassuring
>> when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the event.
>> But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a
>> friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if
>> nothing goes wrong with the visa?
>>
>
> I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it.
>

Speak to them about the above legal question too -- it is possible they
have high-level contacts within the French govt, to provide the highest
level of assurance that a particular visa will be approved.

4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what
>> community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or
>> contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to share?
>>
> I don't understand, could you explain more.
>

How specifically will attendee(s) document their contributions, in a more
permanent/global way -- whether via published photos, videos, ASLO,
http://scratch.mit.edu and/or a formal report?

(Most grant proposals of almost any kind require the applicant to specify
what kinds of community documentation will result from the trip...not just
social media, but that could be one part of it!)


> ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered
>> to contribute?
>>
> They will pay my(Samson) flight (PHC > Lagos > Paris > Bordeaux), hotel,
> foods and visa.
>

Can you provide a rough estimate for this in USD?
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] email motion re Scratch Conference

[Adam Holt]

1) Lionel is correct to suggest that some-or-most of the $2800 could
disappear, if France rejects visas (every reasonably-priced flight is
non-refundable in 2017; these funds would be lost).  Not at all an abstract
hypothetical: France's visa approval process may require the flight be
purchased in advance, and Samson's expenses traveling around Nigeria
(flights, hotels etc) just to get a visa potentially be lost as well.

In any case, I cannot count the number of times this has happened to good
people with the *Very Best of Intentions*, people I've known to be the
purest souls, whose visa AND flight funds completely disappeared as a
result of their overseas visas/entry being rejected, based on one
mysterious technicality or another.

Worse yet: the (presumed, but not quite!) attendee generally has to pay for
all lost funds themselves in such situations, as compensation is not
possible when the conference/event was not in fact attended.

2) $2800 is far too high of a sum for Sugar Labs to gamble on such an
uncertain outcome.  Some of the most productive hackers I know in Haiti
live on $1000 per year total (or less).  I have flown to work with them and
similar/such people on other continents over the past year, where the grand
total cost was less than $500 (Asia and Europe) in all cases, by staying in
other hackers/contributors homes.

Conversely, flying to the EU mid-summer in the height of tourist season, is
about as expensive as it gets.

As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully
thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend.  Likely an
individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas
approved?  Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts /
diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact
who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will
be approved?

3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance,
so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear.  Not reassuring
when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the event.
But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a
friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if
nothing goes wrong with the visa?

4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what
community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or
contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to share?

ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered to
contribute?


On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Sameer Verma  wrote:

> +1
>
> Sameer
>
> On May 19, 2017 9:01 AM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
>>
>>> I second.
>>>
>>> Sameer
>>>
>>> On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting?
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy >> > wrote:
>>>
 Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that since
 wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs member in
 this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, so
 that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or
 not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days
 policy.


 Regards
 Samson Goddy

 On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez <
 igna...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> It's +1 from me :)
> I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are doing,
> awesome work, Samson and Ibiam.
>
> Thanks,
> Ignacio.-
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri  > wrote:
>
>> Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written proposal. +1
>>
>> On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho 
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am not a
>> member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved.
>>
>> Caryl
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to
>> attend the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote 
>> Sugar.
>> The detailed proposal is here [1].
>>
>> Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses related
>> to traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 2017 for Samson
>> Goddy and Ibiam Chihurumnaya.
>>
>> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG
>> 

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Technical Service Request - Project: Sugar Network

[Adam Holt]

I abstain as I see real arguments on both sides, and apologize I am torn.

On Apr 21, 2017 3:49 PM, "Walter Bender"  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Laura Vargas 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> As I have come to understand I, Laura was ineligible to vote according to
>> the Conflict of Interest Policy of Conservancy.
>>
>> So, we had 6 eligible votes with the following results during the voting
>> period by email:
>>
>> 3 votes on favor (Ignacio, Samson and Lionel)
>> 1 vote against (Walter)
>> no votes received from Adam and Sameer (count as abstentions)
>>
>
> I think we can wait a bit longer for Adam and Sameer to register their
> votes.
>
> -walter
>
>>
>>
>> Since a clear majority on favor is required to pass a Motion[1], Motion
>> has failed.
>>
>> Thank you all that supported the motion! We hope we'll find some other
>> way.
>>
>> Regards and blessings to all,
>>
>> Laura V
>>
>> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Requesting_a_SLOBs_decision
>>
>> 2017-04-17 10:42 GMT-05:00 Ignacio Rodríguez :
>>
>>> Well as I said +1.
>>>
>>> Lets hope everything gets resolved ASAP
>>>
>>> On 4/17/17, Walter Bender  wrote:
>>> > -1 from me. It seems an arbitrary and unscalable request.
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 10:35 AM, Laura Vargas 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Ignacio, I believe you'll need to state your vote again :D
>>> >>
>>> >> Since I am the requesting party, my vote will be "abstain".
>>> >>
>>> >> For all other slobs that haven't vote yet: Adam, Sameer and Walter,
>>> >> please
>>> >> keep in mind motions need to be voted on via email within 7 days of
>>> >> posting.
>>> >>
>>> >> In case any of you slobs require additional information please do ask
>>> on
>>> >> time.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >>
>>> >> Laura V
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> 2017-04-13 9:07 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>>> >>
>>> >>> +1 for me.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Apr 13, 2017 11:25 AM, "Lionel Laské" 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>>  Motion: Urgent maintenance budget of 500$ for fixing spam attacks on
>>>  Sugar Network. Detail of the tasks to do are described in the
>>> Technical
>>>  Service Request provided by Laura. It's an one shot motion to avoid
>>>  interruption of service for Sugar Network users. Further
>>> investments on
>>>  Sugar Network will be correlated to discussion about long-term
>>> support
>>>  of
>>>  the platform.
>>> 
>>>  Please second this motion to start the vote.
>>> 
>>>  Best regards.
>>> 
>>>   Lionel.
>>> 
>>>  2017-04-12 14:22 GMT+02:00 Laura Vargas :
>>> 
>>> > Thank you Lionel, Samson and Ignacio!
>>> >
>>> > The formal procedure requires a SLOB to propose "A motion" and then
>>> > another SLOB to second it. In this way all other SLOBs will
>>> understand
>>> > they
>>> > are called to vote.
>>> >
>>> > I would appreciate if you guys can do this.
>>> >
>>> > Blessings and regards
>>> > Laura V
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2017-04-09 11:36 GMT-05:00 Lionel Laské :
>>> >
>>> >> I'm agree with the idea to think to the long-term but I think we
>>> >> can't
>>> >> leave loyal Sugar user without their tools.
>>> >>
>>> >> So +1 to process this TSR considering we can't process other
>>> requests
>>> >> without thinking to the long term support of Sugar Network.
>>> >>
>>> >> Lionel.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> 2017-04-08 16:39 GMT+02:00 Laura Vargas :
>>> >>
>>> >>> Once we solve the urgent need to neutralize Spam attacks, I would
>>> >>> love to open the discussion for long-term support.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Regards
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2017-04-08 9:34 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender >> >:
>>> >>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Laura Vargas
>>>  >>  > wrote:
>>> 
>>> > We have supported Sugar Network on a voluntary basis without
>>> > retribution since it's deployment on 2014. Unfortunately we
>>> ran out
>>> > of
>>> > resources and can't afford to dedicate the required time.
>>> >
>>> 
>>>  This begs the question, what is next? How will the next issue be
>>>  resolved? It seems a long-term solution should be discussed as
>>>  opposed to a
>>>  one-time patch.
>>> 
>>> >
>>> > Regards
>>> >
>>> > Laura
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2017-04-08 9:24 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <
>>> walter.ben...@gmail.com>:
>>> >
>>> >> This document helps clarify what work needs to be done. What
>>> is
>>> >> not clear to me is why this 

Re: [IAEP] do OLPC browsers support WebRTC microphone audio input?

[Adam Holt]

Hi Jim,

On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Jim Salsman  wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 11:55 PM, Sam P.  wrote:
> > OLPC OS ships with an ancient (2011?) version of WebKitGtk+.  I don't
> even
> > think that the current version supports WebRTC.
> >
> > Maybe you could run a version of Firefox or chrome on it?
>
> Does anyone out there have Chrome or Firefox compiling on OLPCs?
>

There was some solid research comparing Firefox 26 and Firefox 50 on XO
laptops (particularly on Fedora 18) not so many weeks ago in December and
January:

   http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2017-January/thread.html
   http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Browser_improvements

Rough conclusion seems to be that Firefox 26 is ready-to-go if you want
that, but that it would take more work to get Firefox 50 compiling cleanly
here?

Also if I recall Nathan Riddle also has a couple further details, that
might not have made it into the thread above, so I can put you in contact
with him directly if nec?
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Re: [IAEP] [Olpc-open] OLPC-SF March meeting: Ethiopia

[Adam Holt]

On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Sameer Verma  wrote:

> Youtube stream should be here: http://youtube.com/-4-GpTa-pJ0


Did an alternative URL show up?

No worries, and thanks to Andi for keeping Ethiopia in the OLPC family
after many famous attempts over the years ;)


Sameer
>
> On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Sameer Verma  wrote:
> > Likely on Hangouts/YouTube at YouTube.com/olpcsf
> >
> > I'm on the train, getting there, but will ask Aaron to confirm and post
> > update.
> >
> > Sameer
> >
> > On Mar 11, 2017 8:18 AM, "Samson Goddy"  wrote:
> >>
> >> I was thinking about the possibility too. It would be nice to see the
> live
> >> coverage.
> >>
> >> On 11 Mar 2017 5:05 pm, "Dave Crossland"  wrote:
> >>
> >> Will anyone run a Facebook live video of the presentation? :)
> >>
> >> On Mar 7, 2017 11:46 AM, "Aaron Borden"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello folks,
> >>>
> >>> OLPC San Francisco will be hosting our monthly meeting Saturday,
> >>> March 11th, from 10AM - 1PM at the downtown SFSU campus, 835 Market
> >>> Street, 6th floor, room 609. Please RSVP[1].
> >>>
> >>> This month, the **new** OLPC XO-NL3 Laptop is going to Ethiopia. Come
> and
> >>> see the new device at work. We'll have a discussion with the project
> >>> lead Andres Gros of Facebook and project computer expert Sameer Verma
> of
> >>> SFSU. Discussion will be moderated by Alex Kleider.
> >>>
> >>> We will have Ethiopian coffee and light snacks.
> >>>
> >>> Agenda
> >>> - Meet and greet
> >>> - Ethiopia and the new OLPC XO-NL3 Laptop
> >>> - Project updates
> >>> - Project working time
> >>>
> >>> Our meetings are held on the second Saturday of every month. Everyone
> is
> >>> welcome to join us for our monthly meeting! We'll be discussing the
> >>> latest in OLPC events and give updates on our local (and global)
> >>> projects. There will be plenty of XO laptops with the latest builds to
> >>> play around with, too.
> >>>
> >>> [1]
> >>> https://www.eventbrite.com/e/olpc-sf-march-meeting-
> ethiopia-tickets-8350942895
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Facebook https://www.facebook.com/events/1812685709045722/
> >>> Google+ https://plus.google.com/events/c9fkbhafqujutd4bqb1as28il70
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Outreachy motion

[Adam Holt]

On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Laura Vargas  wrote:

>
> 2017-02-13 19:02 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :
>
>> Laura suggested [1] that I make a formal motion to the board regarding
>> Sugar Labs participation in Outreachy. Here it is:
>>
>> Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to participate in Outreachy 14 in order to
>> promote and support women and minority participation in FOSS projects. The
>> cost would be $5500 for one internship. The funds would come from our
>> general funds.
>>
>
> Adam,
>
> Before board members get to vote on General Funds, can you please share
> the current balance of the General Funds account?
>
> Last meeting you mentioned Sugar Labs counts with ~US$80,983.40 in total,
> still some percentage of that balance might still corresponds to the 2013
> Trip Advisor grant.
>
> Can you please specify.
>

The entirety is General Funds.  2013's Trip Advisor's 2-years of funding
were contractually expected (if not required) to have been spent by
July/August 2015, when a report was due towards receiving an additional
$40,000 from Trip Advisor for a 3rd and final year (Sugar Labs did not send
this report it seems, hence those final $40,000 did not arrive).

Even before July/August 2015, Trip Advisor funds were fully fungible (Sugar
Labs General Funds) according to Software Freedom Conservancy Executive
Director Karen Sandler, who checked with her lawyer.  Of course honoring
the general intent of the mid-2013 to mid-2015 grant (long since lapsed in
2017) would still be respectful of Trip Advisor's intentions where we can.

Thank you and kind regards,
>
> Laura Victoria
>
>
>
>> If someone on the board seconds the motion, we can begin a vote.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>>
>> [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-February/019375.html
>> --
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Re: [IAEP] XSCE -> Internet-in-a-Box 6.2 and 6.3 road maps emerging: Thur Call 10:30AM EST

[Adam Holt]

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

> Please join us Thursday 10:30AM NYC Time to go through these proposed
> roadmaps, as outlined (very!) roughly during our QE (Quality Engineering)
> call this morning:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/xsceminutes
>
> Please reflect on these 6.2 and 6.3 ideas prior to Thursday's call.  In
> brief, XSCE 6.2 is focused on Raspbian especially, and will initially offer
> only partial support for Debian, CentOS, until volunteers arise to hammer
> on the OS's of their choosing and beef up this quality.
>
> For XSCE 6.3, I would be especially interested in educators' thoughts on:
>
>- "Dynamic Menuing" of Content Packs (SEE 1. b. ii. within above
>link's Jan 17 Minutes)
>- "Analytics = Local Empowerment not Surveillance" (SEE 1. b. iii.
>within above link's Jan 17 Minutes)
>
> On the infra side, take note our repo is being overhauled, and will soon
> be going on a diet, as it changes from:
>
>http://github.com/xsce/xsce
>
> Over to:
>
>http://github.com/iiab/iiab
>


Our diet's goal is to prune source code prior to XSCE 6.0 (or some such, so
we no longer have to carry around the last decade's work of source
code/commits/etc from long ago ;)

Plz reply ASAP if you have counter-proposals for a better way to do this
pruning!

All welcome during our Thursday community/deployment fieldback -> support
> -> requirements calls!  Thanks for accommodating our 30min delay this week,
> starting 1/2 hour later than the usual weekly call, for our Mexican
> partners (Kids On Computers) especially!
>
> Backchannel for chitchat / late comers wanting to join the call:
>
>https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#schoolserver
>
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[IAEP] XSCE -> Internet-in-a-Box 6.2 and 6.3 road maps emerging: Thur Call 10:30AM EST

[Adam Holt]

Please join us Thursday 10:30AM NYC Time to go through these proposed
roadmaps, as outlined (very!) roughly during our QE (Quality Engineering)
call this morning:

   http://tinyurl.com/xsceminutes

Please reflect on these 6.2 and 6.3 ideas prior to Thursday's call.  In
brief, XSCE 6.2 is focused on Raspbian especially, and will initially offer
only partial support for Debian, CentOS, until volunteers arise to hammer
on the OS's of their choosing and beef up this quality.

For XSCE 6.3, I would be especially interested in educators' thoughts on:

   - "Dynamic Menuing" of Content Packs (SEE 1. b. ii. within above link's
   Jan 17 Minutes)
   - "Analytics = Local Empowerment not Surveillance" (SEE 1. b. iii.
   within above link's Jan 17 Minutes)

On the infra side, take note our repo is being overhauled, and will soon be
going on a diet, as it changes from:

   http://github.com/xsce/xsce

Over to:

   http://github.com/iiab/iiab

All welcome during our Thursday community/deployment fieldback -> support
-> requirements calls!  Thanks for accommodating our 30min delay this week,
starting 1/2 hour later than the usual weekly call, for our Mexican
partners (Kids On Computers) especially!

Backchannel for chitchat / late comers wanting to join the call:

   https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#schoolserver

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder

[Adam Holt]

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:

> Sorry! I sent it to the sur list accidentally!
> --
> *From:* Caryl Bigenho 
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 12:52 PM
> *To:* sugar-...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> *Subject:* Re: [sugar-sur] Fwd: [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder
>
>
> Hi All...
>
> There was a problem with the link for today's meeting and I wasn't able to
> attend! I tried 2 different browsers and both said they couldn't connect,
> that there was a "problem with the server"... Safari,
>
> or that the address did not exist...Chrome.
>
>
> Please send a valid link to the minutes.
>

http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/sugar-meeting/meetings/2017-01-06T19:07:40.html

Plz also keep eyes on Election Deadlines, as proposed at:
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2017-January/019296.html


> I wonder how many other folks were also locked out?
>
>
> Caryl
> --
> *From:* sugar-sur  on behalf of
> Laura Vargas 
> *Sent:* Friday, January 6, 2017 6:56:29 AM
> *To:* sugar-...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> *Subject:* [sugar-sur] Fwd: [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder
>
> Hola a todos!
>
> Este mensaje lo reenvio porque es muy importante.
>
> La 1era reunión de la junta directiva de Sugar Labs sera hoy a las 2PM en
> el canal de chat #sugar-meeting.
>
> Gracias de antemano si pueden acompañarnos :D
>
>
> Abrazo, bendiciones y la seguimos!
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Laura Vargas 
> Date: 2017-01-05 16:13 GMT-05:00
> Subject: Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] meeting reminder
> To: Walter Bender , sugar-...@lists.sugarlabs.org
> Cc: SLOBs , iaep ,
> Sugar-dev Devel , "OLPC para usuarios,
> docentes, voluntarios y administradores" 
>
>
> HI all! Hola a todos!
>
> Walter,
>
> It is very important to clarify, the proposed motion is:
>
> *Motion 1 for January 2017's meeting:*
>
> "To appoint volunteers Ignacio Rodriguez, Samson Goddoy and Laura Vargas
> as the new elections and membership committee, with the purpose of
> debugging current membership list and running the 2016's elections for the
> 3 seats at the Board available for the 2016-2018 period and to appoint Dave
> Crossland as an impartial election oversight party."
>
> If motion passes we will be calling for additional candidates, according
> to our time availability an to the proposed election schedule:
>
> 01 Additional candidates call and deadline: January 7 to January 21.
>
> 02 If by January 22 we have more than this 3 candidates, we will need to
> have members list debugged by the 30th of January. If by January 22 we
> don't have any additional candidates, we would have 3 candidates for the 3
> board places and no election may be necessary.
>
> 03 Send ballots and run the elections for the period from February 1 to
> the 28th of 2017.
>
>
> Thank you and I hope the blessings of the new year help us unite and move
> forward!
>
> Laura V
>
>
>
> 2017-01-05 15:08 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender :
>
>> We have our first Sugar Labs oversight board meeting of 2017 tomorrow
>> (Friday, 6 January) at 19 UTC on irc.sugarlabs.org #sugar-meeting
>>
>> We have a motion to appoint new oversight board members: Samson Goddy,
>> Laura Vargas, and Ignacio Rodriguez to the board.
>>
>> Happy New Year.
>>
>> Let's make 2017 a great year for Sugar.
>>
>> -walter
>>
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>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> 
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>
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>
> Happy Learning!
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>
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>
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[IAEP] Facebook Software Puts Students in Charge of Curating Their Own Lesson Plans

[Adam Holt]

NY Times Excerpts:

Facebook is out to upend the traditional student-teacher relationship.

On Tuesday, Facebook and Summit Public Schools, a nonprofit charter school
network with headquarters in Silicon Valley, announced that nearly 120
schools planned this fall to introduce a free student-directed learning
system developed jointly by the social network and the charter schools.

Rather than have teachers hand out class assignments, the Facebook-Summit
learning management system puts students in charge of selecting their
projects and setting their pace. The idea is to encourage students to
develop skills, like resourcefulness and time management, that might help
them succeed in college...

The Facebook-backed platform is entering the public school software market
when rival tech giants like Google and Microsoft have already established
big footprints in education, in an attempt to build brand loyalty among
students early.

In June, Google said more than 60 million students and teachers worldwide
used Google Apps for Education, a suite of free products that includes
Gmail and Google Drive for document-sharing. Many other schools use
Microsoft productivity tools and Skype, the videoconferencing tool, in
classrooms. Amazon also plans to soon introduce Amazon Inspire, a site
where teachers can share free instructional materials.

The software gives students a full view of their academic responsibilities
for the year in each class and breaks them down into customizable lesson
modules they can tackle at their own pace...

Screenshot:

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/08/09/business/10FACEBOOK2/10FACEBOOK2-superJumbo.jpg

More detail:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/technology/facebook-helps-develop-software-that-puts-students-in-charge-of-their-lesson-plans.html
https://nonprofitquarterly.org/2016/08/11/facebook-partnership-develops-software-students-curate-educations/
https://www.summitlearning.org
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Re: [IAEP] Summer Finance Report & How to Appoint a FM?

[Adam Holt]

On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

>

>
> Hi Adam
>
> I'm curious if you have any news about the state of the finances?

No major financial news in the past month that I know of so far.  Profound
apologies I'm now going thru customs and missed the meeting earlier this
afternoon.  Let's keep on it so that a quarterly financial report is both
reasonable & appropriate shortly after Sept 30 when the next quarter begins.

> In the SLOB meeting, Walter mentioned he thought you may be taking the
lead on deciding how to appoint a Financial Manager; if you don't expect to
be able to dive into the ledger-cli stuff in the summer months, perhaps you
could share some thoughts about this topic instead? :)
>
> Cheers
> Dave


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Re: [IAEP] 172 XO-1s for $24 each (+ freight) $4,000 total

[Adam Holt]

Alex & Walter,

I can come by Walter's office if nec in coming weeks, to arrange shipping
to Alex etc?

Adam


On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Alex Perez  wrote:
>
>> Walter,
>>
>> On 2016-06-13 15:02:02 +, Walter Bender said:
>>
>> Off the top of my head, the bulk chargers do 10 batteries at a time. I
>>> have two to donate to a large order.
>>>
>>
>> Well, I bought the lot of these, and, in addition, another ~90 units,
>> which have various cosmetic issues, such as damaged keyboard membranes,
>> damaged LCDs, etc.
>>
>> Any chance I can borrow those bulk chargers? :)
>>
>
> Sure. They are sitting in my office at MIT for the taking.
>
> -walter
>
>>
>>
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[IAEP] Fwd: update about samson's contract!

[Adam Holt]

From: Tony Sebro <t...@sfconservancy.org>
Date: Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: update about samson's contract!
To: Samson Goddy <samsongo...@hotmail.com>, iaep <iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org>
Cc: Adam Holt <h...@unleashkids.org>, Chris Leonard <
cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com>, walter bender <wal...@sugarlabs.org>, Laura
Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org>

On 07/16/2016 01:27 PM, Samson Goddy wrote:

Then, I don't seem to understand Adam's statement saying the contract is
effective when i haven't receive any money to start milestone 1. I was
mailed by SFC to sign some documents and i did! I was told that the
contract is still pending because of Adam signature. Also Adam what sorts
of document can i make public to the community. For me i don't know why is
the payment still pending! it is over two months now!

To clarify, Samson, Conservancy couldn't start the process of issuing
payment until we had an agreement in place.  You signed your agreement on
June 30; Karen Sandler counter-signed on July 7, after which I routed the
agreement to Accounting for processing.  Rest assured that your initial
payment is in the queue.

It's my understanding that it is industry standard for organizations and
businesses to operate on a"NET-30" basis, i.e., an entity is expected to
issue payment within 30 days from the date of an agreement and/or receipt
of an invoice.  We at Conservancy strive to be quicker than that when
bandwidth allows, but given that Bradley (who operates as our part-time
bookkeeper) has to provide support multiple member projects, we tend to
operate within the industry standard.

Best,
-Tony

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Re: [IAEP] update about samson's contract!

[Adam Holt]

Samson, to be specific please web-publish or publicly blog all 7 pages of
your $4000 contract (CONSULTING SERVICES AGREEMENT) for the benefit of all.

As explained earlier (the same applies to Chris Leonard) it would be best
to remove all personal/home addresses and signatures to protect privacy and
avoid modern forgeries, Thanks!

Again: I have never been paid by SFConservancy or Sugar Labs so I cannot
tell you when funds arrive in the normal course of action (even more so as
a brand new contractor, involving a complex banking transaction to Nigeria,
with a trusted 3rd party financial intermediary, since you are not 18 years
old...Rome Was Not Built In A Day)


On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Samson Goddy 
wrote:

> "Samson's contract was fully executed (fully legal) before my signature
> was added, and effective July 1st 2016 for 6 months(*), but that pro forma
> signature of mine is also complete FYI.
>
> (*) extensible by 3 months periods if both parties agree in writing.
> Etc.  For the benefit of all, I would ask Samson Goddy or Chris Leonard to
> web-publish or publicly blog copies of their contracts (with personal home
> addresses & signatures fully obfuscated, since there is a serious risk of
> modern forgeries etc) if they hopefully have time this month to please
> share these!"
>
> First i am having issues with receiving email from IAEP list, i tried
> samsongo...@hotmail.com, samsongo...@gmail.com and
> samsongo...@sugarlabs.org all still not working. Then, I don't seem to
> understand Adam's statement saying the contract is effective when i haven't
> receive any money to start milestone 1. I was mailed by SFC to sign some
> documents and i did! I was told that the contract is still pending because
> of Adam signature. Also Adam what sorts of document can i make public to
> the community. For me i don't know why is the payment still pending! it is
> over two months now!
>
>
> Samson Goddy
>
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Re: [IAEP] Status of Samson's project

[Adam Holt]

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Laura Vargas 
wrote:

> Thank you Adam for getting this done! It will be nice to share any
> no-confidential  documentation with the community so we can all learn from
> the experience.
>

Samson's contract was fully executed (fully legal) before my signature was
added, and effective July 1st 2016 for 6 months(*), but that pro forma
signature of mine is also complete FYI.

(*) extensible by 3 months periods if both parties agree in writing.  Etc.
For the benefit of all, I would ask Samson Goddy or Chris Leonard to
web-publish or publicly blog copies of their contracts (with personal home
addresses & signatures fully obfuscated, since there is a serious risk of
modern forgeries etc) if they hopefully have time this month to please
share these!

Samson,
>
> Have you already started translating? have you set a confortable workflow
> with your translation partners? Please if possible share an updated
> timetable for the Milestones you are planning to execute so we can all be
> of support during the process.
>
> Oh and don't forget to have fun :D
> Laura V
>
>
> 2016-07-15 2:20 GMT-05:00 Samson Goddy :
>
>> Well according to tony from SFC statement "Adam hasn't yet signed on
>> behalf of Sugar, but his signature is just an acknowledgment, since Sugar
>> isn't a legal entity, let alone a party to the agreement. " so i guess
>> Adam is still remaining!
>> --
>> From: la...@somosazucar.org
>> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 00:47:08 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Status of Samson's project
>> To: samsongo...@hotmail.com
>> CC: ibiamchihurumn...@gmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org;
>> sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org
>>
>>
>> Hi Samson!
>>
>> 2016-06-28 13:45 GMT-05:00 samson goddy :
>>
>> I don't know why i did not receive the confirmation code yet for the
>> IAEP. I didn't even receive this mail officially, it was forwarded to me by
>> ibiam.
>>
>> I have nothing to say because i am tired and sad, because its over a
>> month  after the motion passed. what is going on?
>>
>>
>> Was your contract issued OK?
>>
>> Please share regurarly with the list how is your translation project
>> coming along.
>>
>> Best of luck!
>>
>> Many blessings and Thanks!
>>
>> Samson Goddy
>>
>> --
>> From: ibiamchihurumn...@gmail.com
>> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 11:39:34 -0700
>> Subject: Fwd: [IAEP] Status of Samson's project
>> To: samsongo...@hotmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: *Dave Crossland* 
>> Date: Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 9:52 AM
>> Subject: [IAEP] Status of Samson's project
>> To: iaep , SLOBs 
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I'd like to request a brief update report on the status of Samson's
>> project; its been about 6 weeks since the motion to fund the project
>> was passed, but I haven't heard anything about it as I expected to
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Dave
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[IAEP] Fwd: [SLOBS] Simplified Motion to create and define the position of Sugar Labs Finance Manager

[Adam Holt]

Seems this message below did not post to mailing list(s) as Karen hoped, so
am forwarding for her!

-- Forwarded message --
From: Karen Sandler <ka...@sfconservancy.org>
Date: Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [SLOBS] Simplified Motion to create and define the position of
Sugar Labs Finance Manager
To: Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>
Cc: iaep <iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org>, SLOBs <sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org>


On 2016-07-01 20:10, Adam Holt wrote:

$ -83,198.92   (IS IT POSSIBLE 10% OF THIS SUM MUST STILL BE
> PAID TO SFCONSERVANCY IN FUTURE? FOR THEIR ACCOUNTING/LEGAL SERVICES.)
>

Conservancy takes its fee when funds are incoming and then no other fees
are charged, so whether you pay the money all at once under a big contract
or you send 100 people to conferences, there are no extra fees.

:)
karen

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] July Meeting of the Board

[Adam Holt]

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 5:00 AM, Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net> wrote:

> I agree that the July meeting was much more effective. Motions were made,
> seconded, discussed and voted yea-nay in an orderly way. I hope this allays
> Dave Crossland and other member's mistrust of the Board.
>
> On 1 July 2016 at 07:06, Tony Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net> 
> <tony_ander...@usa.net> wrote:
>
> We got it. In the future, we will take greater care to cross-post votes by
> email (hopefully rare since the meeting itself is public).
>
> I've heard that before, and this seems proven sure to fail. But I
> don't think I can make the case for improving the boards procedure any
> more strongly.
>
>
> However, I was struck by the total failure of the Board to address the
> business of Sugar Labs.
>
> In summary, more than a Finance Manager, we need a budget. More than
> defining a Finance Manager position, we need one (note the position has
> been available to be filled since before I joined the Board). We need
> reporting on Sugar Labs business at the meeting (money, translation
> community, ongoing projects such as GSOC, and so on).
>
>
>
>
>
> *Monthly Reports Translation Community Manager * In the April meeting,
> the Board appointed Chris Leonard as Translation Community Manager. Adam
> Holt modified the job description from this:
>
> Report monthly to the Sugar Labs Oversight Board and to the community on
> the status of the translations program.
>
> to this:
>
>
>- Report monthly to the Sugar Labs Oversight Board and to the
>community and to the public on the status of the translations program,
>preferably by blogging informally (blog posts can be any length) to
>http://planet.sugarlabs.org using plain language that is
>understandable to almost all.
>- Report every 4 months on tactical/strategic/financial choices;
>reports can be of any length and should be posted/archived together to a
>unique URL (linked from
><http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager>
>http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Translation-Community_Manager) one month
>prior to the completion of each 4-month cycle, mentioning:
>   - What actually happened over current 4-month cycle and/or since
>   the last report, including community/financial summaries (absolutely 
> fine
>   and no shame at all if actions were different from prior cycle's
>   projections: we learn by doing or we don't learn at all!)
>   - What can and should happen over the coming 4-month cycle?
>   Community workflows are never 100% rational: how do we tactically 
> nurture
>   continuous improvement?
>   - Long-term strategic/impact recommendations on an annual basis. Or
>   optionally more often, if he/she is so inclined.
>
>
> He apparently was concerned that the Board be informed of the current
> status of the translations program.
>
> However, there was no such report for the May meeting, the June meeting or
> the July meeting. Presumably, the August meeting will see our first report
> -  the 4 months report.
>

Yes, Chris Leonard asks that we all keep posted, as he will be sharing news
shortly, see http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2016-July/018901.html

In May the Board approved the Yoruba I18n Project committing $4000 from the
> TripAdvisor Grant. The motion included:
>
> Milestone 1 - The initial payment of $350 USD will cover startup costs
> (internet connection fees, localizer recruitment/training, etc.).
> Payment is to be made upon successful completion of contractual
> arrangements with fiscal sponsor (SFC).
>
> No report was made on the progress of this project in either the June or
> July meetings. As a Board member, I have no idea whether this milestone has
> been met.
>

My understanding is that SFConservancy and Samson Goddy are close to
completing Milestone 1, based on signed contracts articulating the full
3-milestone agreement beginning July 1 2016 for a duration of 1-year
maximum, but that Milestone 1's financial transaction is still being worked
out since Samson is not yet 18 years old.  And as such an older friend of
Samson's and his mother are signing documents to legally vouch for all
finances until Samson's 18th birthday which occurs later this year.

Samson and Chris can share many more details in coming weeks.

*Finance Manager*
>
> At this July meeting, the Board passed a motion regarding a Finance
> Manager. My concerns here are both procedural and substantive.
> It turned out that the motion moved by the Chair was one proposed by email
> from Adam Holt at 8pm UTC on July 1, one-hour before the meeting.
> It has substantial differences from the version made available to the

[IAEP] Simplified Motion to create and define the position of Sugar Labs Finance Manager

[Adam Holt]

Based on Tony Anderson and Caryl Bigenho's work especially -- thank you
Caryl for working for so many months with so many others (including many
hours by telephone today with me alone) to write this up -- and thanks to
many others who've contributed behind the scenes:


The Sugar Labs Oversight Board shall appoint a Finance Manager by majority
vote from among the members of Sugar Labs Oversight Board. The Finance
Manager serves at the will of the board. The Finance Manager may be paid a
stipend at the discretion of the board.

Duties of the Finance Manager will be to:

1. Serve as Sugar Lab's central coordinator on all financial matters.

2. Report quarterly at a scheduled Oversight Board meeting the following:

- Confirmation of the accuracy of the previous quarter's report according
to the Software Freedom Conservancy
- Balance at the beginning of the quarter preceding the meeting
- Expenses during the quarter
- Income received during the quarter
- Balance at the end of the quarter

3. The Finance Manager has discretion to approve petty cash amounts up to
$200 to pay for miscellaneous expenditures critical for the functioning of
Sugar Labs. If approved and everything is in order, these will often be
paid within (about) 30 days of when they are submitted to the Software
Freedom Conservancy, who control Sugar Labs' banking. If not approved, the
applicant is free to ask for a vote at a future Oversight Board meeting.

4. All motions for funding of larger projects will be presented first to
the Finance Manager who will review them to be sure the funds are being
used in a way that appears fiscally sound. If everything is in order, the
Finance Manager will place the motion on the agenda for consideration at
the next possible Oversight Board meeting, and circulate on the IAEP
mailing list for public discussion.

5. At the meeting, after a finance motion has been moved and seconded,
discussion should be confined to the motion.


PS this is very hard work (and I am not yet sure how to determine SL's
exact balance on April 1st 2016) but an early example of a possible
quarterly finance report is below:

(0) $7000 received (or soon to be received) from GCI (Google) of which
$6300 for Sugar Labs and $700 for SFConservancy

(1) Walter Bender paid $807.22 for flight to Constructionism 2016
(2) Walter Bender paid $168.60 for hotel at Constructionism 2016
(3) Walter Bender paid $250.00 for registration for Constructionism 2016
(4) Walter Bender paid $3.00 for Boston parking for Constructionism 2016
(5) Walter Bender paid $30.21 for Uber in Thailand Constructionism 2016
(6) Walter Bender paid $130.26 for per diem (personal expenses) at
Constructionism 2016
(7) Walter Bender paid $787.31 for Devin Ulibarri's flight to
Constructionism 2016

Above 7 lines total to $2176.60

(8) Devin Ulibarri paid $380 for registration at Constructionism 2016
(9) Devin Ulibarri paid $168.60 for hotel at Constructionism 2016
(10) Devin Ulibarri paid $354.48 for per diem (personal expenses) at
Constructionism 2016
(11) Devin Ulibarri paid $500 consulting stipend for Constructionism 2016

Above 4 lines total to $903.08

(12) Edgar Quispe Chambi paid (or soon to be paid) $82.25 =
26.66+17.48+32.25+5.86 for bus transport to Simposio Internacial
(translation/Peru)
(13) Edgar Quispe Chambi paid (or soon to be paid) $20.66 for hotel at
Simposio Internacial (translation/Peru)
(14) Edgar Quispe Chambi paid (or soon to be paid) $58.97 per diem
(personal expenses) at Simposio Internacial (translation/Peru)

Above 3 lines total to $161.88

(15) Mariah Noelle Villarreal paid (or soon to be paid) $563.20 for GCI
flight from Boston to SF


BALANCE as of 1 JULY 2016:

$ ledger -V  -s -S T -d  "T<=2" -f sugar.ledger bal
'/^(Income|Expenses).*Sugar/'
   $ -293,399.18  Income:Sugar
$ 210,200.26  Expenses:Sugar

*$ -83,198.92   (Is it possible 10% of this sum must still be paid
to SFConservancy in future? For their accounting/legal services.)*


UNPAID INVOICES as of 1 JULY 2016:

$ ledger -f sugar.ledger -V  --group-by 'tag("Invoice")' bal /^Accrued/
Financial/Invoices/Google-SoC-2015/2015-12-29_Google-SoC-2015_omnibus-travel-rei
  $ 1,914.55  Accrued:Accounts Receivable:Sugar

Projects/Sugar/Expenses/GCI-2016/2016-06-10_Google_Sugar_invoice-2016061000
_as-s
   $ -563.20  Accrued:Accounts Payable:Sugar

Projects/Sugar/Expenses/GSoC-Mentor-Summit-2013/2013-11-08_DeCausemaker_RIT-invo
 $ -0.40  Accrued:Accounts Payable:Sugar

Projects/Sugar/Expenses/I18n-and-T10n/2016-03-20_Quispe_invoice.mbox
   $ -200.00  Accrued:Accounts Payable:Sugar

Projects/Sugar/Expenses/Simposio-Internacial-2016/2016-04-15_Chambi_reimbursemen
   $ -161.88  Accrued:Accounts Payable:Sugar

Projects/Sugar/Invoices/Google/2016-04-04_Google_Sugar-GCI_invoice-
2016040400_as
  $ 7,000.00  Accrued:Accounts Receivable:Sugar


INCOME/EXPENSES BY PROGRAM ACTIVITY as of 1 JULY 2016:

$ ledger --group-by 

Re: [IAEP] Fwd: Google for Nonprofits Affiliation Request Sent

[Adam Holt]

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> On 8 June 2016 at 06:32, Sean DALY  wrote:
> > I'm confused, I thought Adam was going to liaise with SFC on that?
> >
> > We can't take over their account.
>
> Its not about taking over the account, its about getting additional
> admin access in order to set up Sugar Labs's adwords account.
>
> Apparently Conservancy denied this request.
>
> I do not know how to get access to a Google-sponsored adwords account.
>
> Adam, can you ask Conservancy folks how we get access to a
> Google-sponsored adwords account?
>

Is there strong consensus which people (multiple people, not a single
person) should manage this and all associated passwords +
responsibilities?  With this "process/procedure/ownership" fully documented
in a very public place, so SL doesn't end up with lost passwords and
orphaned/locked accounts, as has happened frequently to date?

(Can Sean Daly and/or others agree to supervise marketing/branding aspects,
providing the delicate balance asked for by those who are quite
uncomfortable with SL getting involved with advertising?)

-- Forwarded message --
> From:  
> Date: 22 June 2016 at 03:01
> Subject: Google for Nonprofits Affiliation Request Denied
> To: d.crossl...@gmail.com
>
>
> Hello,
>
> You recently requested administrative access to the Google for
> Nonprofits membership account for Sugar Labs. Your request has been
> denied.
>
> If you would still like to take advantage of your organisation's
> Google for Nonprofits membership account, we encourage you to locate
> the account owner from within your organisation and work with him or
> her to ensure the account meets your needs.
>
> If you believe your account is not being administered by an authorised
> representative of your organisation, respond to us at
> google-for-nonprofits-supp...@google.com with your proof of
> affiliation to the organisation.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> The Google for Nonprofits Team
>
>
> Application Information:
> Charity ID: 41-2203632
> Organisation: Sugar Labs
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] Motion: to consider email votes on motions only valid if they are sent to both the SLOBs and IAEP mailing lists.

[Adam Holt]

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I would appreciate public consideration of this motion by each member of
>> SLOB.
>>
>> On 7 June 2016 at 10:00, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>>
>>> Motion: to consider email votes on motions only valid if they are sent
>>> to both the SLOBs and IAEP mailing lists.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Dave
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>>
> It is my belief (hope) that the only time a vote is only sent to one list
> rather than both is when there is an oversight by the sender. Vote should
> be public,
>

Should but not must.

There can be (have been, and might be in future be) times when Sugar Labs
needs in-the-interim-confidential negotiations with billion-dollar
sponsor/ally governments and orgs or all kinds.

Naturally merger/acquisition or multimillion-dollar sponsorship situations
affect almost everyone, who cannot all be at the negotiating table, nor can
all Board members cannot possibly always agree.

Hence it's generally a legal/fiduciary responsibility of the Executive
Director (or similar) to consult privately with the Board in these kinds of
high-stakes situations -- keeping as many as possible apprised of
deliberations -- while preserving interim confidentiality wherever and
whenever necessary to protect the full/strategic interests of 501(c)3 Sugar
Labs.

but if the vote is forwarded to both lists after the fact, it should still
> be valid.
>
> -walter
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder and some open issues to discuss

[Adam Holt]

Progress.  Further progress will come after I speak with Bradley Kuhn in
coming weeks, to understand has real-world recommendations on
pacing/publishing financials, based on his extensive experiences with the
~40 NGO's he (as SFConservancy's de facto bookkeeper) supervises/supports.
I hope he has time in the coming week, but if not I will work around his
schedule.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I went over Caryl's google doc again after re-reading the below, and I
> must say that I am no longer surprised by Adam's comments at the SLOB
> meeting on Friday; it seems that these clearly expressed points were
> not addressed in the text that Caryl submitted.
>
> Adam, please review the Google Doc with my comments and let me know if
> this resolves your concerns.
>
> On 6 May 2016 at 10:06, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
> > The financial spring cleaning CarylB, DaveC and others have worked hard
> on
> > within
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/16jIFuZ9bX-Bv675BpA1KmcEcRcX4PRCOUEX0ICRUkOc/edit
> > is promising, but seems premature in my opinion, until its mechanics are
> > better understood:
> >
> > - Even if we suppose that $X remains $200 (as it has been for many years,
> > not Board involvement for expenses under $200), Financial Manager
> potential
> > monthly stipend $Y still remains too vague.  Should $Y be $100 per month
> or
> > what?
> >
> > - The prior "month" is very poorly defined, making the Financial
> Manager's
> > life impossible, if for example SL Board meets on Friday March 1st, and a
> > financial report summarizing February must be submitted "72 hours in
> > advance" by February 25th realistically, then the Financial Manager must
> > have worked for the prior week to get this right Feb 18-to-25th.   If
> s/he
> > is away that week for a family/professional emergency, and does not want
> to
> > be fired then s/he must do the work Feb 10-to-17th, and as such has
> pulled
> > the numbers from SFConservancy's system on February 10th, just over a
> week
> > after the prior SL board meeting.  So perhaps the only practical thing
> she
> > can do is run a report on the prior month of January?  And even if s/he
> > tries to do that, SFConservancy has explained to me that they often take
> a
> > month-or-so to get all receipts entered into their system, so the
> Financial
> > Manager cannot in fact get hard information about January.  My
> understanding
> > from SFConservancy is that on February 10th, we could only get hard info
> on
> > December's financials, and even then there's no absolute guarantee, as
> > receipts come in very late at times.
> >
> > On the one hand it sounds ridiculous, in the age where most of us obtain
> > live bank statements online, that we cannot get confirmed up-to-date
> > financials until 2 months later!  But what other options are there?
> Should
> > we accept known-imprecise financial reporting in exchange for recency?
> And
> > if so, aren't we really asking for a rolling report of the prior ~3
> months
> > every time?  Let`s spell it out, if in fact those are the true duties of
> the
> > Financial Manager -- to provide a rolling estimates (estimates, to the
> best
> > of his/her professional ability) of the prior 3 months of expenses/income
> > and balance on the last day of each month?
> >
> > - Dismissal notice could be a lot more precise: "Failure to carry out
> these
> > 2 duties for more than one meeting will result in removal and
> appointment of
> > another Finance Manager."  Can s/he miss one or both duties once per
> 6-month
> > period due to death of a close family member?  Is s/he fired immediately
> for
> > missing one or both dutires twice, even if separated by 2 years?  If so,
> we
> > need to spell it out.  If conversely we want to fire the Financial
> Manager
> > immediately, for failing to fulfill 1 duty or the other, then we should
> say
> > that more explicitly.
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOB] Motion (1 of 2) GSoC Stipends

[Adam Holt]

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Tony Anderson  wrote:

> I second the motion and approve it.
>

I hope we all work together to find a way to compromise, but in any case my
opinion is already well-known, as stated a month ago:

Mentors/tutors/teachers are insufficiently recognized, just like the
Mentoring organization is insufficiently recognized.

My personal belief is that *both* need to be recognized far more, likely
starting equally with a 50/50 split or some such/similar distribution of
funds, inspired by Lionel Laske's thoughtful articulation of the many
social infrastructure / accounting infrastructure / mentoring
infrastructure / constructionist infrastructure investments OLPC France has
very successfully achieved.  Among many other organizational
infrastructures (technology and non-technology community tools)
backstopping the lives of volunteer-community-hackers-of-all-kind
increasingly far easier, as we can do too!  Underlying a much stronger
future for all~

Tony
>
>
> On 06/04/2016 03:02 PM, Walter Bender wrote:
>
> We did not have time to take action on two motions at yesterday's meeting.
> Please review the motion below. If an oversight board seconds the motion,
> then we can bring it up for a vote by email.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
>
> Motion regarding GSoC mentoring stipends
>
> Motion: Whereas it is the general policy of Sugar Labs to retain all GSoC
> mentoring stipends in the General Fund, if a mentor asks a GSoC Admin (for
> example in 2016, Walter or Lionel) to pay a stipend to a mentor, their
> share of the stipend amount will be disbursed without further motions to
> approve the spending. The share is calculated from the total awarded for
> the GSoC slot by Google, minus 10% (as all Sugar Labs income is donated to
> Software Freedom Conservancy for organisational services), minus 5%
> (retained for Sugar Labs General Funds),  divided by the number of mentors
> for the project. For example, in a year with 6 slots and 10 mentors at
> $500, the total revenue is $3,000; 10% for Conservancy is $300 and 5% for
> Sugar Labs is $150, leaving a total of $2,550 or $255 per mentor.
>
> 
>
> Note that an earlier version of this motion failed:
>
> Failed Motion
>
> Motion: To allow the mentors participating in Google Summer of Code to
> disperse the mentor stipend among themselves as they see fit.
>
> Further discussion of this motion can be found beginning at [1].
>
> [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2016-May/018130.html
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOB] another motion (Quispe trip to Translation Summit)

[Adam Holt]

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> On 12 May 2016 at 07:59, Walter Bender  wrote:
> > Motion: to reimburse Edgar Quispe for expenses incurred representing
> Sugar
> > Labs at the Traducción e interpretación en las lenguas originarias del
> Perú
> > meeting in Lima. The cost is $168.88.
>
> Did this motion pass?


Yes.


> I can't find a record of it in my email.
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Smart way to get $$ for posting videos on youtube

[Adam Holt]

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Adam, please could you confirm with Conservancy that we can set up
> adsense and youtube advertising accounts to raise revenue?
>

I don't see why not, if there is a genuine consensus to move forward here?
But most important who will manage these and how?

If we have an organized/near-definitive proposal (preferably approved by
Oversight Board, or similar) for how Sugar Labs wants to move forward, then
I will approach SFConservancy on any final required mechanics here.

Karen Sandler (SFC Exec Director) and her team are currently researching
how SL can get a donation button for SL (presumably using PayPal) much like
http://sfconservancy.org/donate/ and helping get Samson Goddy's Yoruba
translation contract organized, among a quite number of other SL financial
+ legal requests at this time, so we really please need to be understanding
to avoid sending them trial balloons, doing our own due diligence first,
Thanks all!

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Re: [IAEP] SPL Sugar Project Leader + Sugar Project Secretary + Auditor team?

[Adam Holt]

On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

>
> - keep track of project financial assets, income, expenditures and any
>>> other financial information
>>>
>>> You are doing a great job :D
>>>
>>> I can only deduce things out of public conversations. That is a very
>> limited and stressful way of keeping track of financials.
>>
>
> I'm sorry to hear that its stressful for you - you're doing an awesome
> job!! :)
>
> However, when thinking abut what is ideal for tracking finances, I
> understand that Conservancy uses www.ledger-cli.org to do accounting and
> while SL is a Conservancy project, it must use a ledger-cli compatible
> system.
>
> It is a text file based system (eg
> http://ledger-cli.org/3.0/doc/ledger3.html#Example-Journal-File) and Adam
> has access to the Sugar Labs text file. This formed the basis of what he
> posted to https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance in summary.
>
> Ideally I would like the file to be published, and to put up a web UI for
> it using the http://hledger.org tools.
>
> *Adam, can the full file be published?*
>

I've summarized the larger question to SFConservancy, as to whether this
might be prudent and within modern legal norms.  Hopefully Karen Sandler
(Exec Director of SFC) and her team will have time to reply to us in coming
weeks, as we are sending them a rather large number of questions these
days, so it would be considerate to be extremely patient.

While personal phone numbers and personal addresses seem to be
appropriately redacted from the long ledger file, even if the above "let
Google and the public audit it" answer is yes (if it is
acceptable/tolerable for a non-profit to suddenly publish an almost
decade-long ledger) there is a separate question as to whether it is wise.

For example, many thorny implied confidentiality questions suddenly arise
such as: should Sugar Labs publish all past donors and the amounts they've
donated and whether these people gave consent for their names to be
published or not over the past decade (etc).

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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] another motion (Quispe trip to Translation Summit)

[Adam Holt]

On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> FWIW, while I agree that retroactively approving of funds is not ideal,
> this particular case is a matter of formal approval of what was already
> approved. SLOB gave me authority to make these sorts of decisions for the
> Trip Advisor grant several times now and I believe it is within Chris's
> discretion as well. Nonetheless, for some reason or other, the SFC seems to
> think that every outlay requires explicit approval from the entire board.
> Further, it is not like this was an attempt to blind-side or circumvent the
> board. I brought this up several months ago, but we have not managed to
> vote on it.
>
> Finally, I find the "wait-until-the-last-moment-to-object" style of
> discourse to be highly unprofessional. I reiterate, this has been on the
> table for months as has been the opportunity for feedback and discussion.
>

My own hope is that Sugar Labs seek a new tone of governance, putting aside
baseless ad hominem attacks against on its own board members and
hard-working sponsoring organization (SFConservancy.org), who happen to
prefer more transparent and understandable financials.

My hope is that Translation Community Manager Chris Leonard's monthly blog
(and similar) will be just the beginning to show us all this upfront,
honorable, inclusive-of-all-kinds-of-people (even accountants, if we are to
grow this movement) approach is in fact possible beginning in 2016.

-walter
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Lionel Laské <lionel.la...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> +1 for the remark of Adam.
>> +1 for the motion due to the relative small amount of money engaged.
>>
>>Lionel.
>>
>> 2016-05-18 15:20 GMT+02:00 Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>:
>>
>>> I find the practice of retroactively voting for funds to be highly
>>> unprofessional, in all instances.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless I am hereby voting in favor in this 1 instance, on the hope
>>> that Translation Community Manager Chris Leonard will begin improving the
>>> situation with a public blog going forward -- so everyone knows what's
>>> happening and why.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Chris Leonard <
>>> cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would note that, as requested, Edgar provided a brief write-up of
>>>> the event afterwards (in Spanish), which I have
>>>> Google-assisted-translated and will be posting (in both Spanish and
>>>> English) on the blog that I'm setting up for reporting on Translation
>>>> Community Manager activities.
>>>>
>>>> Asking funded travelers for a post-travel write-up is a practice that
>>>> I think Sugar Labs SLOB should consider in all travel-funding
>>>> requests.  It is a very common practice in science-related businesses,
>>>> when someone is sent to a conference on company time.  This practice
>>>> provides a further return on investment.  Not only are your ideas
>>>> shared with the audience at the destination by the traveler, but the
>>>> conference's ideas are reported back to the community providing the
>>>> funding.
>>>>
>>>> cjl
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > I realize that we never actually had a formal motion for this as we
>>>> got
>>>> > side-tracked by the i18n manager discussion (See [1]).
>>>> >
>>>> > Background: Edgar Quispe had requested funds to attend the Traducción
>>>> e
>>>> > interpretación en las lenguas originarias del Perú meeting in Lima.
>>>> The
>>>> > total cost of the trip was expected to be ~$200. In fact it came to
>>>> $168.88.
>>>> > The purpose of the visit was for Edgar to share his experience with
>>>> Aymara
>>>> > i18n for Sugar Labs with speakers of other indigenous languages in the
>>>> > region. Note that this was pre-approved by Chris Leonard and Walter
>>>> Bender
>>>> > as appropriate and relevant to our i18n efforts under the Trip
>>>> Advisor grant
>>>> > and brought up for discussion at the 1 April SLOB meeting. Edgar's
>>>> report is
>>>> > at [2].
>>>> >
>>>> > Motion: to reimburse Edgar Quispe for expenses incurred representing
>>>> Sugar
>>>> > Labs at the Traducción e interp

Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SL member list/joining criterion

[Adam Holt]

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

> There are small consistency error(s) like ANDRES AGUIRRE appears to have
> joined in 2015 according to the "Email" tab whereas the "Public list" tab
> says he joined in 2016; these lists should be reconciled for consistency at
> some point where we can.
>

Oops, other way around, sorry!

(Email tab shows he joined 2016; Public List tab shows he joined 2015..etc,
point being that a couple other subtle/serious gremlins can hopefully be
expunged to make all these lists more self-consistent prior to the next
election.)
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SL member list/joining criterion

[Adam Holt]

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Sebastian Silva <sebast...@fuentelibre.org>
wrote:

>
>
> El 15/05/16 a las 12:56, Adam Holt escribió:
> >
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1bgJ6Z8gHpxIwpNSD8qf8B5n1ZQRA1r0AAdCDcMVeZEs/edit
> > is a private list, leaving others guessing what is being tabulated
> > about them, and by whom (I've been on SL's Oversight Board for almost
> > 7 years, and am still trying to find out).
> Only email.
>

Confirmed below.


> > Luke Faraone indicates he will try to provide me access.  If this
> > spreadsheet is the source of the 2 columns extract that appears at
> > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members/List (minus the emails
> > etc, as you seem to indicate) it would be great to confirm that indeed.
>
> Yes the wiki page has the same spreadsheet embedded in it, which is what
> I thought I had clarified for you.
>
> I just sent you write access to it.
>

Thanks Sebastian & thanks Luke.  I don't want to edit others' hard work
without understanding its structure, but fyi "Enrique Mayorga González"
appears twice (lines 209 & 211) on spreadsheet tab "Public List" as
confirmed @ http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members/List

Of the (apparent) 275 living and dead people on both the "Email" tab
(privacy-protected, for good reasons) and the "Public List" tab it's
apparent that these lists are quite different from Line 211 to 276 -- but
in these are the same 65 people (roughly speaking those who joined since
mid-2010?) then it's likely just that the 2 lists contain the same 65 names
but appearing in a different order (one presumes?)

There are small consistency error(s) like ANDRES AGUIRRE appears to have
joined in 2015 according to the "Email" tab whereas the "Public list" tab
says he joined in 2016; these lists should be reconciled for consistency at
some point where we can.

Sebastian, do you recall how many emails bounced by Dec 15th 2015 when you
verified 79 active members @
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members/Survey2015, among (about)
262 emails that you sent out ?  It would be interesting to know if roughly
200 or so emails are still active, among the 264 email addresses of members
and former members now listed.  Not to put too fine a point on it, but many
of the email addresses are now dead, and likely several (former) members
themselves are no longer living, such as Marco Pesenti Gritti :/


> > (Profound thanks Sebastian for very comprehensively shedding light on
> > this complex situation as you've just done, and your hard work with
> > Caryl & Sebastian in 2015/2016 to make the election happen -- as we
> > know from national elections in Haiti/Nigeria/USA, getting a list of
> > valid voters is in fact a VERY hard technosocial problem, even After
> > policies around eligible voters have been established!)
> You're welcome. You surely meant to include Samson. :-)
>

Yes.  Both your names start with 'S' and I definitely messed up, Apologies
to Samson Goddy !
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] SL member list/joining criterion

[Adam Holt]

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 11:55 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

> In any case, with about 4 months having have passed since January's
> election, can the Sugar Labs' legal board of directors please now get
> access to the verified-current-membership list of eligible voters that was
> used in this election, that Samson Goddy indicates is at
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1bgJ6Z8gHpxIwpNSD8qf8B5n1ZQRA1r0AAdCDcMVeZEs/edit
> ?
>
> FWIW / for the record
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members#Currency_assurance_policy
> currently states "The most recent currency review was in January 2016" and
> "once a year members will be asked to confirm that they still wish to be a
> Sugar Labs Member. If this request bounces, or if a request has not been
> replied to after it has been a) resent, b) checked for a more current email
> address, and c) six months have passed, the member will be sent a removal
> notice with an invitation to reapply."
>
> Of course the Board is free to amend the definition of Membership at any
> time, but the above is the status quo.
>

Of course redefining SL Membership is not a decision that should be taken
lightly (when/if that happens) as this will have very direct consequences
e.g. ~51% of SL Members can impeach a Board member according to
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance#Oversight_Board, and
75% of SL Members can overturn a Board decision according to
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance#Sugar_Labs_Referenda
(etc!)


> On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 11:47 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> On 14 May 2016 at 23:13, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 10:51 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 14, 2016 10:26 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > what is the harm in keeping them on the list? (Our membership list
>>>> has never been well-correlated with the active contributors in any case.)
>>>>
>>>> The harm is two fold. Initially that the list says it is a list of
>>>> active contributors, so having it not be that is problematic because it is
>>>> confusing: we either ought to redefine it accurately, or prune it. On a
>>>> deeper level it means referenda are a mirage, since it is impossible to get
>>>> replies from people completely disengaged, and it means that SL appears to
>>>> be a large and complex entity when it is not.
>>>>
>>> Valid points. But I guess I am not sure how we manage the pruning
>>> process. Some people come and go based on their availability. I can think
>>> of several people -- cjl and sean for example -- who have been quite active
>>> of late after a hiatus of 12+ months. I want to make sure we don't cut off
>>> our nose to spite our face.
>>>
>>
>> Would you be happy for the members table to have a col for "last year of
>> active membership" which can be self-adjusted but it set based on when they
>> last got in contact to affirm membership?
>>
>> Then we wouldn't drop anyone from the table, but we could sort dormant
>> members to the bottom, or color their row in the table differently, etc;
>> and we could adjust the bylaws to say that only members active in the
>> current year are needed for referenda.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>>
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Re: [IAEP] SL member list/joining criterion

[Adam Holt]

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> Hi
>
> 1. A section of the doc is available live here,
> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Members/List
>
> 2. That doc shows 279 members
>
> I've requested access to the doc :) Thanks Samson!
>

I'm NOT questioning Dave Crosslands' personal ethics (although many
question his employer's ethics privately) however more generally there's a
very serious institutional/fiduciary problem here, if SL members'
non-publishable personal data is being shared with someone who is not a
member of Sugar Labs, as Dave Crossland recently stated he is still not a
member of SL?  That may have changed in recent weeks, but again we have no
way of knowing, which is the core issue :)

FWIW many serious organizations wait years before providing this level of
access (database of all their members) for profound reasons of
conflict-of-interest, and accidental-or-worse-intentional abuse of personal
data.
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Re: [IAEP] SL member list/joining criterion

[Adam Holt]

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:00 PM, samson goddy 
wrote:

>
> Hello Adam, here is the list you ask for. You can ask sebastian about the
> election list.
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1bgJ6Z8gHpxIwpNSD8qf8B5n1ZQRA1r0AAdCDcMVeZEs/edit?usp=sharing_eid
> this list contain the names and email addresses of all sugarlabs member.
> But i don't know who is active.
>

Thanks!  As the above member list/voter list document is not public beyond
Caryl/Sebastian/yourself presumably, apparently because it contains
personal info that must be redacted (email addresses and other info that
should not be published without permission?) can you:

(1) publish a redacted public document somewhere for all, conscious of
everyone's privacy?
(2) consider sending a full copy to sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org for
institutional safekeeping?

PS if personal info is being stored outside of public view, on both current
and non-current members -- we should explain our data privacy practices
briefly.  Busy people whose memberships have lapsed might later choose to
rejoin -- but have a right to know what personal privacy data SL is storing
about them (and does that include their voting records or not, etc).
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[IAEP] SL member list/joining criterion

[Adam Holt]

Caryl, Sebastian, Samson & All,

1) Can you provide all a link to a current (or post-election) SL membership
list, verified to be reasonably current?

2) How many active and nonactive/lapsed members does SL have exactly, and
what info do we retain on each, in case they choose to donate/rejoin etc?

Anonymous members are perfectly OK, if some prefer not to have their names
or other personal info published!

PS can you get the latest (above info+similar) into Dave Crossland's before
Wiki-Garsdening Wkd?
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] GSoC mentor stipend motion

[Adam Holt]

On May 11, 2016 2:55 PM, "Sebastian Silva" <sebast...@fuentelibre.org>
wrote:
>
> El 11/05/16 a las 13:40, Adam Holt escribió:
> > This was clarified when I joined SL Oversight Board at the end of
> > 2009, and again exhaustively re-clarified at the beginning of this year.
> Can you point me to where this was "exhaustively re-clarified" ?
> Thanks!

Kindly read the minutes of SL Oversight Meetings from earlier this year,
where I laid this out in explicit detail, precisely so we don't leave lead
lives of eternal parliamentary snafus, with several new board members who
did plainly did not understand voting, even after explanation.

Feel free to read the several failed motions (late autumn 2009, and late
autumn 2015 are 2 examples) which received a majority of "those who
bothered to vote" but failed to muster the required 4 votes (majority of
seats) to actually pass.

It's high time we start encoding these facts (de facto nonprofit bylaws)
into Governance pages so we/all give curious newcomers functional
transparency, earning their trust.

Specifically I'm hoping SL Board secretary (Dave Crossland has agreed to
serve) can invest some moments this wkd, publishing agreed voting
procedures / who exactly are our nonprofit's members today / how many /
what is the true criterion for joining / etc, so we can move beyond the
Tyranny of Structurelessness at long last!
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] GSoC mentor stipend motion

[Adam Holt]

4 affirmative votes (majoruty of 7 seats) are required for all motions to
pass.

This was clarified when I joined SL Oversight Board at the end of 2009, and
again exhaustively re-clarified at the beginning of this year.
On May 11, 2016 2:24 PM, "Sebastian Silva" 
wrote:

>
>
> El 11/05/16 a las 13:01, Dave Crossland escribió:
>
> So, the motion failed, with 3 votes for, 1 vote against, and 4 abstains,
> and the funds will accrue into the general fund.
>
>
> Here I found a precedent:
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2009/Meeting_Log-2009-09-25
>
>  okay, that's 3 yes, 0 no, 1 abstain. we could still get 3 no, I
> suppose.
>  cjb:the motion passes.
>
>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] GSoC mentor stipend motion

[Adam Holt]

On May 7, 2016 3:33 PM, "Lionel Laské"  wrote:
>
> Disagree.
>
> Thought I understand that 500$ is lot of money for some people, I think
that GSoC is also a way for SugarLabs to raise money. Because we don't ask
for an annual fee to member (like other association, for example OLPC
France), it's even the only way to hope for a regular contribution.

Indeed, Google chose to pay "mentoring organizations" rather mentors, for
exactly the reasons Lionel lays out.  If Google wanted to pay GSoC stipends
instead, it would have done exactly that, using the word stipend, and
incurring the very significant accounting/managerial/compliance costs of
managing such stipends.  Google (GSoC) did Not make that choice, though
conceivably in future Google should consider international transactions
direct to Mentors?

Until that distant day, mentors/tutors/teachers are insufficiently
recognized, just like the mentoring organization is insufficiently
recognized, in the constructionist ethos especially we are all learning ;-)

In conclusion, I abstain because my own opinion is that a $500 pass-thru to
the mentor shows a lack of respect for the organization/ops backstopping of
our overall *joint* efforts ~ in the same way that $500 to the organization
shows a similar lack of respect for certain particularly dedicated mentors.

Personally I'd be in favor of splitting $500 GSoC payments between
organization and mentors-in-need ($250 each) particularly those mentors in
low-income countries (of those most demonstrably catalyzed by a $250
Honorarium) if such a consensus later emerges.

Lionel's warning should not be ignored, if anyone cares about
inter-generational leadership: in the apprentice system the parents of
mentees who can afford it would very happily Pay Sugar Labs (Mentoring
Organization), much like users of Wikipedia happily Pay annual donations,
much like members of OLPC France happily Pay for something they believe
in...  (What other learning economies surround us, that we may not even
realize??)

> Best regards from France.
>
> Lionel.
>
>
> 2016-05-07 1:49 GMT+02:00 Walter Bender :
>>
>> At today's Sugar Labs oversight board meeting [1], we discussed the
motion submitted by Sebastian Silva to allow the mentors participating in
Google Summer of Code to disperse the mentor stipend among themselves as
they see fit. I second the motion and bring it to you in an email vote.
>>
>> Background: Every year, Google provides mentoring organizations with a
stipend for the mentors. In our first year of participation in the program,
Sugar Labs mentors agreed to have the stipend directed to the Sugar Labs
general funds. We have followed the same procedure in subsequent years.
This year, however, several mentors asked if they could have access to the
stipends (which are allocated per student internship). We discussed this at
the meeting and agreed that it would be appropriate to offer these funds as
compensation and thanks to the mentors for their time and expertise (there
were no objections raised). We need to vote on this however, since the
funds are given to the mentoring organization, not the individual mentors.
>>
>> Members of the oversight board, please reply to this email solicitation
for a vote on the following motion. (Note that since I am a mentor, I think
I must recuse myself from the vote.)
>>
>> Motion: to allow the mentors participating in Google Summer of Code to
disperse the mentor stipend among themselves as they see fit.
>>
>> regards.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> [1]
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2016-05-06
>>
>>
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder and some open issues to discuss

[Adam Holt]

On May 11, 2016 11:19 AM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>
> 2016-05-08 0:20 GMT+08:00 Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>:
>>
>> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Chris Leonard <cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Chris Leonard <cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>> > On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > ...
>>> >
>>> >> In other words that SL's effective payment to SFConservancy (for
>>> >> legal/financial/administrative service) is equal to 10% of all
expenditures
>>> >> (outlays) each fiscal year, i.e. March 1st to end of February.
>>> >>
>>> >> (But someone else can correct me if I'm wrong!)
>>> >
>>> > I think you are wrong, but I am still looking for the proof.  It is my
>>> > understanding that SFC takes 10% of incoming donations only, not a 10%
>>> > cut of all transactions (inbound and outbound).
>>> >
>>> > That is what is described in their template Fiscal Sponsorship
Agreement.
>>> >
>>> > http://sfconservancy.org/docs/sponsorship-agreement-template.pdf
>>> >
>>> > "Fees.
>>> > The FIXME-SIGNATORIES agree to donate ten percent (10%) of the
>>> > Project's gross revenue (including, but not necessarily limited to,
>>> > all income and donations) to Conservancy for its general operations."
>>> >
>>> > I'm looking for an executed copy of the current SugarLabs-SFC FSA to
>>> > confirm, unfortunately the wiki version looks at variance with the
>>> > template, but as a wiki page, it has no "official" status.
>>> >
>>> > https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/SFC_Fiscal_Agreement
>>> >
>>> > cjl
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam,
>>>
>>> As SFC contact, could you please confirm that this 2012 version of the
>>> Amended FSA is the currently effective agreement?
>>
>>
>> There no reason to believe otherwise.  This agreement is what stands
unless you have information that nobody else has :-)
>>
>>> Note, it shows the 10% cut of revenue, no transaction fees.
>>
>>
>> 10% of initial capital too?  Sorry am traveling non-stop for the coming
days, but someone should read the agreement (attached by CJL, Thanks!!)
carefully please if they have time this weekend please.
>>
>
> According to the agreement, the Project agreed to donate ten percent
(10%) of its gross revenue (including, but not necessarily
> limited to, all income and donations) to Conservancy for its general
operations.
>
> Still, there must be a mistake or some additional terms or additions made
to this agreement, because there is a large difference (US$20.494,29)
between what the Project should have donated to SFC and what has been
actually donated for the past 3 years (according to the numbers published
early this year);

Laura,

I think you are misinterpreting https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance

When it says "Donated To [Software Freedom] Conservancy" that implies a
cumulative total over the years, just like every other line-item in those
lower paragraphs, for each financial year.

In conclusion your table appears to be (accidentally) greatly exaggerating
the amounts being paid (held for) SFConservancy, so you may want issue a
corrected version.

Regards-
Adam

> Total Income
> 10% of Total Income
> Donated To SFC
> Difference
>
>
>
>
>
> 2015
> $9.028,56
> $902,86
> $12.683,40
> ($11.780,54)
> 2014
> $49.622,18
> $4.962,22
> $11.780,54
> ($6.818,32)
> 2013
> $49.229,19
> $4.922,92
> $6.818,34
> ($1.895,42)
>
>
>
>
>
> Total
> $107.879,93
> $10.787,99
> $31.282,28
> ($20.494,29)
>
>
>> Then if there are outstanding questions accumulating, I can collect
those and communicate those questions to SFConservancy intermittently, if
we as a community have done our own homework first, Thanks!
>
>
> Adam,
>
> I would recommend to dig deeper into this point with the Conservancy so
we can clarify the numbers.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> laura v
>
>>
>>>
>>> cjl
>>
>>
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Re: [IAEP] My agreed duties for Sugar Labs? :)

[Adam Holt]

On May 10, 2016 12:06 AM, "Dave Crossland"  wrote:
>
> Hi Adam (and all)
>
> I remember that you asked me to do something after each board meeting,
but I can't find the thread easily right now listing the things to do
do you remember or can you tell me the thread? :)

Organizing this wkd's community gardening is a perfect start- consider
posting recent motions that have passed here: (receiving 4 affirmative
votes, from SL Board members)

http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions

The more we can align/harmonize the above with Governance pages (de facto
bylaws) the better:

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance

Likewise posting SFConservancy's travel/expense/reimbursement policies
(etc) publicly would be wonderful if someone can dig up copy, and post it
here:

https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance#For_funding_travel

Side Question: has the Translation Community Manager's full contract been
posted publicly yet?  (Chris Leonard can send a postable copy/legal text if
nec!)

> One of the thing was updating the minutes on the wiki, but I see Walter
already kindly did this:
>
>
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Oversight_Board/Meeting_Minutes-2016-05-06=history
>
> --
> Cheers
> Dave
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder and some open issues to discuss

[Adam Holt]

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Chris Leonard <cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Chris Leonard <cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> >> In other words that SL's effective payment to SFConservancy (for
> >> legal/financial/administrative service) is equal to 10% of all
> expenditures
> >> (outlays) each fiscal year, i.e. March 1st to end of February.
> >>
> >> (But someone else can correct me if I'm wrong!)
> >
> > I think you are wrong, but I am still looking for the proof.  It is my
> > understanding that SFC takes 10% of incoming donations only, not a 10%
> > cut of all transactions (inbound and outbound).
> >
> > That is what is described in their template Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement.
> >
> > http://sfconservancy.org/docs/sponsorship-agreement-template.pdf
> >
> > "Fees.
> > The FIXME-SIGNATORIES agree to donate ten percent (10%) of the
> > Project's gross revenue (including, but not necessarily limited to,
> > all income and donations) to Conservancy for its general operations."
> >
> > I'm looking for an executed copy of the current SugarLabs-SFC FSA to
> > confirm, unfortunately the wiki version looks at variance with the
> > template, but as a wiki page, it has no "official" status.
> >
> > https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/SFC_Fiscal_Agreement
> >
> > cjl
>
>
> Adam,
>
> As SFC contact, could you please confirm that this 2012 version of the
> Amended FSA is the currently effective agreement?
>

There no reason to believe otherwise.  This agreement is what stands unless
you have information that nobody else has :-)

Note, it shows the 10% cut of revenue, no transaction fees.
>

10% of initial capital too?  Sorry am traveling non-stop for the coming
days, but someone should read the agreement (attached by CJL, Thanks!!)
carefully please if they have time this weekend please.

Then if there are outstanding questions accumulating, I can collect those
and communicate those questions to SFConservancy intermittently, if we as a
community have done our own homework first, Thanks!


> cjl
>

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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder and some open issues to discuss

[Adam Holt]

On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 6:41 AM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:

>
>
> 2016-05-07 9:28 GMT+08:00 Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org>:
>
>> On May 6, 2016 5:45 PM, "Laura Vargas" <la...@somosazucar.org> wrote:
>> > the budget allowed for Chris Leonard's Internationalization tasks
>> (USD$12,000.00)
>>
>> On this narrow point, I'd (assume) Translation Community Manager outlay
>> represents $12,000 + 10% for SFConservancy = $13,200 total, from May 1st
>> 2016 to Apr 30 2017 anyway.
>>
> Thank you Adam for helping us understand. I had no idea how the
> contribution for the SFC was calculated. Does the 10% apply for every
> transaction (incomes and outcomes) or is it only for outcomes?
>
> Can you please confirm if the 10% (USD$ 1,200) will go under the "Donated
> To [Software Freedom] Conservancy" liability account?
>

I'm presuming so.

In other words that SL's effective payment to SFConservancy (for
legal/financial/administrative service) is equal to 10% of all expenditures
(outlays) each fiscal year, i.e. March 1st to end of February.

(But someone else can correct me if I'm wrong!)
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Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder and some open issues to discuss

[Adam Holt]

On May 6, 2016 5:45 PM, "Laura Vargas"  wrote:
> the budget allowed for Chris Leonard's Internationalization tasks
(USD$12,000.00)

On this narrow point, I'd (assume) Translation Community Manager outlay
represents $12,000 + 10% for SFConservancy = $13,200 total, from May 1st
2016 to Apr 30 2017 anyway.
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder and some open issues to discuss

[Adam Holt]

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Karen Sandler <ka...@sfconservancy.org>
wrote:

> On 2016-05-06 12:06, Adam Holt wrote:
>
> s/he tries to do that, SFConservancy has explained to me that they
>> often take a month-or-so to get all receipts entered into their
>> system, so the Financial Manager cannot in fact get hard information
>> about January.  My understanding from SFConservancy is that on
>> February 10th, we could only get hard info on December's financials,
>> and even then there's no absolute guarantee, as receipts come in very
>> late at times.
>>
>
I meant to clarify above that SFConservancy has no possible way provide SL
fully complete/accurate financial info when receipts are sometimes
submitted ~90 days late?  What Karen says below, exactly!

In short, the current/proposed Financial Manager job description (
https://docs.google.com/document/d/16jIFuZ9bX-Bv675BpA1KmcEcRcX4PRCOUEX0ICRUkOc)
needs more tuning of its operational mechanics month-by-month and
quarter-by-quarter, for the reasons Karen laid out.

If in the end SL will benefit from 10+ hours-per-month of professional
financial consulting/reporting every month, we cannot make an underpaid
Financial Manager and others' lives impossible, by imposing more accounting
burdens than is in fact possible within 10
hours-per-month-or-whatever-is-recommended, such that nothing happens in
the end (back to square one worst case) if we ask for too much.

PS on a more positive note (!) can someone help me publish SFConservancy's
latest travel/expense/reimbursement guidelines and requirements directly
off of https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance#For_funding_travel ?  Is there
a public link somewhere already, or can we make one now, if someone has
this/these document(s) handy?

On the one hand it sounds ridiculous, in the age where most of us
>> obtain live bank statements online, that we cannot get confirmed
>> up-to-date financials until 2 months later!  But what other options
>> are there?  Should we accept known-imprecise financial reporting in
>> exchange for recency?
>>
>
> It's great you're contemplating hiring a financial manager - increased
> engagement from SL in its finances might solve some of the problems from
> third-parties that are the root cause of delays in update to the books (we
> cannot help the fact that travelers sometimes take a long time to ask for
> reimbursement, for example). As Adam indicates, any faster financial info
> would surely be less precise. As we hear in reports from others, we're the
> fastest at getting our financial data up to date in the entire industry. We
> keep books for almost 40 projects that have many transactions, and we're
> doing it with only a staff of 3 who have a lot of other work too.  A
> financial manager will be able to track the few transactions that haven't
> processed in the interim so you have the granularilty when you need it.
>
> More realistically, it's worth reiterating that building an annual budget
> is really what you should focus on. We will track spending against it on an
> ongoing basis. You currently have a balance of over $80k that has not
> changed in some time - are you contemplating undergoing expenses in a 2 or
> 3 month period that would need exact amounts on a daily basis? For example,
> our own books (which are much bigger) are updated at the same rate as SL's
> and it works great for us as we build our budget and monitor income
> throughout the year. A Financial manager could also save us time and
> heartache by vetting travel reimbursement requests against the travel
> policy.
>
> Given the holistic discussion, it's also worth saying that while I (along
> with everyone else at Conservancy) am a huge supporter of SLs and would be
> happy for you to stay with us, we take a loss on our fiscal sponsorship
> work for you. On average, you give back to us $36/week for *all* the
> services we provide to you. That's less than $2000 per year when we must
> pay our auditors $12k alone.
>
> As always you should definitely feel free to look for another nonprofit
> home. We deliberately designed our termination provisions to be very easy
> to leave. As I said, we're unaware of anyone doing it faster (and we hear
> that most are far slower in updating books) but we'd have no problem
> helping you to transition to another org.
>
> I don't always follow this list closely, but I'm happy to set up a call or
> IRC chat any time.
>
> karen
>
>
> Karen M. Sandler
> Executive Director, Software Freedom Conservancy
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Re: [IAEP] [SLOBS] [SLOB] meeting reminder and some open issues to discuss

[Adam Holt]

The financial spring cleaning CarylB, DaveC and others have worked hard on
within
https://docs.google.com/document/d/16jIFuZ9bX-Bv675BpA1KmcEcRcX4PRCOUEX0ICRUkOc/edit
is promising, but seems premature in my opinion, until its mechanics are
better understood:

- Even if we suppose that $X remains $200 (as it has been for many years,
not Board involvement for expenses under $200), Financial Manager potential
monthly stipend $Y still remains too vague.  Should $Y be $100 per month or
what?

- The prior "month" is very poorly defined, making the Financial Manager's
life impossible, if for example SL Board meets on Friday March 1st, and a
financial report summarizing February must be submitted "72 hours in
advance" by February 25th realistically, then the Financial Manager must
have worked for the prior week to get this right Feb 18-to-25th.   If s/he
is away that week for a family/professional emergency, and does not want to
be fired then s/he must do the work Feb 10-to-17th, and as such has pulled
the numbers from SFConservancy's system on February 10th, just over a week
after the prior SL board meeting.  So perhaps the only practical thing she
can do is run a report on the prior month of January?  And even if s/he
tries to do that, SFConservancy has explained to me that they often take a
month-or-so to get all receipts entered into their system, so the Financial
Manager cannot in fact get hard information about January.  My
understanding from SFConservancy is that on February 10th, we could only
get hard info on December's financials, and even then there's no absolute
guarantee, as receipts come in very late at times.

On the one hand it sounds ridiculous, in the age where most of us obtain
live bank statements online, that we cannot get confirmed up-to-date
financials until 2 months later!  But what other options are there?  Should
we accept known-imprecise financial reporting in exchange for recency?  And
if so, aren't we really asking for a rolling report of the prior ~3 months
every time?  Let`s spell it out, if in fact those are the true duties of
the Financial Manager -- to provide a rolling estimates (estimates, to the
best of his/her professional ability) of the prior 3 months of
expenses/income and balance on the last day of each month?

- Dismissal notice could be a lot more precise: "Failure to carry out these
2 duties for more than one meeting will result in removal and appointment
of another Finance Manager."  Can s/he miss one or both duties once per
6-month period due to death of a close family member?  Is s/he fired
immediately for missing one or both dutires twice, even if separated by 2
years?  If so, we need to spell it out.  If conversely we want to fire the
Financial Manager immediately, for failing to fulfill 1 duty or the other,
then we should say that more explicitly.



On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 8:09 AM, Walter Bender 
wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Dave Crossland  wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> On 6 May 2016 at 10:35, Caryl Bigenho  wrote:
>> > I am hoping all the differences have been ironed out and that my motions
>> > receive a majority vote.
>>
>> I just checked
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/16jIFuZ9bX-Bv675BpA1KmcEcRcX4PRCOUEX0ICRUkOc/edit
>> and it still has a lot of my suggestions to be reviewed by Caryl, and
>> as she says,
>>
>> > I noticed, the last time I checked, amounts for $X and $Y had not been
>> > discussed. They are an important part of the motion.
>>
>> So I don't the motion for a finance manager can be passed today.
>>
>> However, can SLOBs pass a motion at any time? (And so the monthly
>> meetings are just to ensure no motions go undecided for more than a
>> month?)
>>
>> If so then I hope Caryl can firm up the motion and it can be passed
>> within May :)
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>>
>
> I agree that there are a number of open issues in the motions. Re Motion
> 1, I am on the fence about making it a paid position: I have seen no
> evidence that that will make a difference, but I am willing to give it a
> shot. Re Motion 2, I have asked for evidence that (1) we are solving a real
> problem and (2) if it is not better to delegate low-volume/low-threshold
> spending authority to the teams, where the knowledge resides. (For example,
> Bernie, as head of the infrastructure team, could have unilaterally
> approved the request for the domain name payment. He already has that
> authority.) I am fine with the other two motions as written.
>
> -walter
>
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Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?

[Adam Holt]

+support-gang (where the Unleash Kids community support volunteer
collaborative originated, for many similar reasons as outlined below --
community support was never taken terribly seriously within uppercase OLPC
-- to make an obscenely long, painful and sometimes unprintable story very
succinct ;-)

On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:

> On Apr 24, 2016 1:18 AM, <fors...@ozonline.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone disagree with the assertion that "most Sugar use is in a
>>> school/classroom setting"?
>>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> The two largest OLPC deployments, Peru and Uruguay account for 50% of XO
>> laptops.
>>
>> Peru, 60% of use was in school [1]
>> Uruguay home use > school use [2]
>>
>> Uruguay was 100% take home, Peru had a mixed take home policy.
>>
>> It is not clear what happened in the remaining 50% of deployments.
>>
>> These statistics are 4-6 years old. It is not clear how the usage changes
>> as XO's have got older. They are presumably perceived to be less valuable.
>> This could relax take home policies, it probably tends to lower school and
>> home use.
>>
>> So I disagree with the assertion that "most Sugar use is in a
>> school/classroom setting". I think its too close to call. Home and school
>> use are roughly equal.
>>
>
> Huge thanks Tony Forster highlighting those 2 critical data points,
> surrounding initial Peru/Uruguay uses in the years after XO acquisition.
>
> There are more than a few flies in the "One Laptop Per Child" ointment
> both those well-known, and more we're learning from every day.  I know of
> more than a few schools (which do not want to be named, in the name of
> self-preservation) where, to oversimplify the numbers: 100 XO laptops
> arrived, of which 90 were used for 100 hours each, and the remaining 10
> laptops were used for 1000 hours each -- roughly speaking a common outline
> is:
>
>- 9,000 hours of XO/Sugar use, by 100s of students broadly, back in
>the day
>- 10,000 hours of XO/Sugar use, by a few elite IT/Sugar/community
>gurus, ongoing today, the best of which are giving back to their
>communities in powerful ways
>
> These are arbitrary numbers to illustrate the larger common pattern, and
> not to embarrass specific schools which do not want to be named.  The lack
> of structured project ideas / professional development of teachers /
> culturally relevant content/pedagogy needs to be addressed at some other
> time, among other fundamental reasons that many XO/Sugar dreams gathered
> dust.
>
> But back to the original question, if (as Tony Forster and I suspect)
> most-if-not-much-all Sugar use is happening outside of class time in 2016
> -- starting many years back now: how can we now get a better grip on these
> very real, evolving, important extracurricular -> personal patterns?
> Moving beyond glory days anecdotalism?  Where do we have a moral
> responsibility to move beyond our Negroponte founders' days "don't measure
> it, just do it" idealism?  Where have we unintentionally expanded
> male/female rich/poor digital divides, as several OLPC communities
> privately ask me to keep quiet about?  When Silicon Valley companies now
> publish gender/race stats routinely, to expose accidental/unconscious
> injustices, how do we too learn to look in our own mirror?
>
> Half a decade later, we can collect as many anecdotes as we want, let's
> jeep at it keeping our blogs fired up before the clock runs out.  But
> before the clock runs out, we require professional sociologists too, if we
> are halfway serious about our Environmental Impact at all, and moving
> beyond statistics that can easily made to lie for any fundraiser.  Many
> people ask me very pointedly -- are we across the OLPC/Sugar legacy a
> listening organization, or is there a core tone-deaf MIT dream unwilling to
> self-assess, needing a firm kick in the rear-end like even George Bush gave
> to Donald Rumsfeld, to finally force an existential assessment of our
> purpose?  The bare minimum groundtruthing being serious amateurs like
> Christoph Derndorfer, Tony Anderson and Morgan Ames etc who chose to put
> their life in the village, stepping outside of the Jeep, to spend Many
> Weeks Each in a broad diversity of communities -- Rwanda, Uruguay, Peru for
> sure -- and many others too thankfully.
>
> Who today will follow in their footsteps spending weeks and months in
> community, in listening mode, challenging their own assumptions, bridging
> the various self-serving post/neo-colonial narratives?  How do we help our
> new generation find heartfelt diaspora familie

Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?

[Adam Holt]

On Apr 24, 2016 1:18 AM,  wrote:

> Does anyone disagree with the assertion that "most Sugar use is in a
>> school/classroom setting"?
>>
>
> Hi
>
> The two largest OLPC deployments, Peru and Uruguay account for 50% of XO
> laptops.
>
> Peru, 60% of use was in school [1]
> Uruguay home use > school use [2]
>
> Uruguay was 100% take home, Peru had a mixed take home policy.
>
> It is not clear what happened in the remaining 50% of deployments.
>
> These statistics are 4-6 years old. It is not clear how the usage changes
> as XO's have got older. They are presumably perceived to be less valuable.
> This could relax take home policies, it probably tends to lower school and
> home use.
>
> So I disagree with the assertion that "most Sugar use is in a
> school/classroom setting". I think its too close to call. Home and school
> use are roughly equal.
>

Huge thanks Tony Forster highlighting those 2 critical data points,
surrounding initial Peru/Uruguay uses in the years after XO acquisition.

There are more than a few flies in the "One Laptop Per Child" ointment both
those well-known, and more we're learning from every day.  I know of more
than a few schools (which do not want to be named, in the name of
self-preservation) where, to oversimplify the numbers: 100 XO laptops
arrived, of which 90 were used for 100 hours each, and the remaining 10
laptops were used for 1000 hours each -- roughly speaking a common outline
is:

   - 9,000 hours of XO/Sugar use, by 100s of students broadly, back in the
   day
   - 10,000 hours of XO/Sugar use, by a few elite IT/Sugar/community gurus,
   ongoing today, the best of which are giving back to their communities in
   powerful ways

These are arbitrary numbers to illustrate the larger common pattern, and
not to embarrass specific schools which do not want to be named.  The lack
of structured project ideas / professional development of teachers /
culturally relevant content/pedagogy needs to be addressed at some other
time, among other fundamental reasons that many XO/Sugar dreams gathered
dust.

But back to the original question, if (as Tony Forster and I suspect)
most-if-not-much-all Sugar use is happening outside of class time in 2016
-- starting many years back now: how can we now get a better grip on these
very real, evolving, important extracurricular -> personal patterns?
Moving beyond glory days anecdotalism?  Where do we have a moral
responsibility to move beyond our Negroponte founders' days "don't measure
it, just do it" idealism?  Where have we unintentionally expanded
male/female rich/poor digital divides, as several OLPC communities
privately ask me to keep quiet about?  When Silicon Valley companies now
publish gender/race stats routinely, to expose accidental/unconscious
injustices, how do we too learn to look in our own mirror?

Half a decade later, we can collect as many anecdotes as we want, let's
jeep at it keeping our blogs fired up before the clock runs out.  But
before the clock runs out, we require professional sociologists too, if we
are halfway serious about our Environmental Impact at all, and moving
beyond statistics that can easily made to lie for any fundraiser.  Many
people ask me very pointedly -- are we across the OLPC/Sugar legacy a
listening organization, or is there a core tone-deaf MIT dream unwilling to
self-assess, needing a firm kick in the rear-end like even George Bush gave
to Donald Rumsfeld, to finally force an existential assessment of our
purpose?  The bare minimum groundtruthing being serious amateurs like
Christoph Derndorfer, Tony Anderson and Morgan Ames etc who chose to put
their life in the village, stepping outside of the Jeep, to spend Many
Weeks Each in a broad diversity of communities -- Rwanda, Uruguay, Peru for
sure -- and many others too thankfully.

Who today will follow in their footsteps spending weeks and months in
community, in listening mode, challenging their own assumptions, bridging
the various self-serving post/neo-colonial narratives?  How do we help our
new generation find heartfelt diaspora families, willing to struggle for
progressive truths/opportunities beyond the happy-happy-joy-joy
founding/fundraising narratives?  How do we help the embedded visitor speak
the local/indigenous language enough to get inside heads and then beyond
the founding days' multi-stakeholder mythologies, as new generations of
kids/siblings have come AND gone?  What humility does the embedded visitor
need to bring to scratch below the surface building confidences among
several Confederates in the grassroots community, exposing Actual
(post)Implementation Challenges -- even if Not All Are Printable?  What
Wayan Vota's (detached from the founders) will fund the Christoph
Derndorfers of our time over the coming decade, getting to the core
spiritual truths of what we have and have not accomplished?  How do we
cultivate dry-by voluntourist visitors ethics to develop loyalty with the
community's 

Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?

[Adam Holt]

Conversely it's possible much/most Sugar use is now happening outside of
classes (and outside of classrooms too!) in homes/libraries/cybercafes/etc
at last?  At this late stage in OLPC's history, and not just in Uruguay?

Is Uruguay actively using Sugar in 2016 and if so how?  Who can tell
urban/rural/young/old perspectives across Uruguay/Rwanda/etc in 2016?

Certainly I keep running into more and more XO laptops that have moved far
beyond their originally-stated scholastic purposes...is it time for
"Child/Tween/Millenial Ownership" action at long at last?!

http ://
wiki.laptop.org
/go/OLPC:Five_principles


Where are the true community anthropologists like Morgan Ames (and Margaret
Mead) when we need them?!
Hi Dave,

At the risk of sounding like someone on snopes or politifact, that is
"mostly true."  However, even though it is in the classroom, it may not be
during regular class time. Sometimes it will be after school in a science
club or robotics club. Other times students might be working together on
some kind of media projects using the Sugar Software, etc. The
possibilities are almost limitedless.

In Uruguay, where there are many more XOs than any other country, the
students are allowed to take their machines home. They may be using them at
home to complete a special assignment or conduct some simple scientific
research. Sometimes they might also be sharing it with parents or
grandparents, teaching them how to use it.

But, yes, most are probably being used at the school, even if it may not be
during regular class time.

Caryl

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Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 15:27:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [IAEP] Is "Most Sugar Users Use XO Laptops" True?
To: sdaly...@gmail.com
CC: la...@somosazucar.org; cbige...@hotmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org

Hi

Okay cool.

Laura, I agree about the importance of Spanish.

My next question:

Does anyone disagree with the assertion that "most Sugar use is in a
school/classroom setting"?

Cheers
Dave


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[IAEP] Fwd: Sugar Labs' governance policies; stipend for Devin (was: Re: Fwd: Re: SLOBs approval needed for Bender expenses of $1,389.29 for Constructionalism 2016)

[Adam Holt]

-- Forwarded message --
From: "Tony Sebro" <t...@sfconservancy.org>
Date: Apr 20, 2016 1:29 PM
Subject: Sugar Labs' governance policies; stipend for Devin (was: Re: Fwd:
Re: SLOBs approval needed for Bender expenses of $1,389.29 for
Constructionalism 2016)
To: "Adam Holt" <h...@laptop.org>, <su...@sfconservancy.org>
Cc: "iaep" <iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org>

> On 04/09/2016 06:20 PM, Adam Holt wrote:
>>
>> Hi Karen Sandler & Tony Sebro,
>>
>> As experts on practical governance in the FLOSS space, does
SFConservancy have an opinion on Sugar Labs currently maintaining our
legally-required 501(c)(3) bylaws on an open-to-all wiki at
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance regularly changed by
passersby, without even mentioning the word "bylaws" curiously?
>
> To clarify, Sugar Labs isn't legally required to maintain 501(c)(3)
bylaws, since Sugar Labs isn't a 501(c)(3) organization.  Sugar Labs
operates under Conservancy's umbrella.  Conservancy's bylaws are available
on our website:
>
> http://sfconservancy.org/about/filings/
>
> That being said, it's fine and appropriate for Sugar Labs to publish
project its governance policies on its website.  I'm sure community members
appreciate the transparency.  :)
>
>> Any quick recommendations and best practices we should strive for to
improve our legal/governance stewardship, given your extensive experience?
>
> I'll take a look; if anything jumps out, I'll offer my suggestions.
>>
>> Finally, thanks in advancefor your help clarifying whether Devin
Ulibarri needs a contract per Bradley Kuhn's careful reply and question
below, or if a $500 invoice suffices?
>>
>>
> Given that Devin has already completed his travel, and given your
confirmation that the SLOBs approved this expenditure, we can remit payment
upon receipt of an invoice without an agreement.  But, going forward, I
would ask that we negotiate agreements to cover these kinds of stipends
going forward -- if only to avoid ambiguity between the parties involved.
>
> Best, -Tony
>
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> [phone number redacted]
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Re: [IAEP] Seeking insights into Oversight_Board/Decisions

[Adam Holt]

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:

> Hi Adam
>
> On 11 April 2016 at 15:21, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 11 April 2016 at 14:32, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are thorough enough to consider the fiduciary/stewardship secretary
>>>> role outlined below, and/or coaching/mentoring someone younger to assist
>>>> you -- would you consider giving back in this way?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sort of: I don't want to take on any responsibility, but you can trust
>>> me to make unsolicited recommendations to everyone ;)
>>>
>>
>> I'll take that as a [Yes!]
>>
>
> Alright, then ;)
>

Wonderful if you can keep us all honest!  Remember secretary was the person
at the very top in many peoples' republics until 1989 ;)


>
>
>> Certainly if nobody but Walter and I are willing to maintain
>> self-consistency at
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions and
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Minutes and
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance etc, we will need to consider a
>> paid Financial Manager per Caryl's recommendation so we move beyond Magical
>> Transparency to Material Transparency, that you and others keep asking for.
>>
>
> What is it, exactly, that you and Walter are doing, that you would like me
> to do?
>

Take your pick in keeping with your own motivations for give-back
(optionally I strongly encourage you to recruit a co-curator in due
course?) among tasks like the following, that could and certainly would be
immediately useful:

- Post/verify Oversight Board minutes/transcripts/votes at
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Minutes and
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions within a few days.
Official minutes and/or transcripts (sometimes both) have gone missing in
the past on many occasions.

- Include meetings w/o quorum, when Oversight Board does not reach quorum
during a pre-scheduled meeting time, but a healthy comunity conversation
ensues regardless.  Still, annotated as such ("meeting w/o quorum" or
similar).

- Remind everyone of upcoming Oversight Board meetings many days in
advance, and again ~24 hours in advance, keeping likely agenda fresh where
possible.  If Walter prefers to own some/all of the above 3 tasks, ask him
for others.

- Regularly reconcile bylaws
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance with
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions
highlighting/removing contradictions, and building clarifying cross-links
between these 2 sites?  Are Sugar Labs 501(c)(3) legally-mandated bylaws in
fact the superset of these 2 pages in the end?  SFConservancy will clarify,
but presumably one and/or the other page needs to be partially locked (or
at least we need to institute a procedure for removal of errors and
vandalism, so this is all far more approachable to the next Dave Crossland
who steps out of the wilderness!  Eventually: move FAQ-style highlights to
the top, preserving unending "legalese" below...)  I was surprised that new
Oversight Board members had no ideas how to vote, and what constituted a
vote, even well after being elected to office.  We're getting there ;)

- Etc!  As nec we'll print up Fred Olmstead business cards for you saying
"Internet Landscape Architect" as Walter suggests ;)


>
>> Til we grow up into a healthy ecosystem where Volunteers & Paid
>> Professionals work alongside with complete respect, per Bastien's
>> reminder.  On that note I have very close friends in direct contact with
>> the worldwide experts in Participatory Budgeting if we need that
>> facilitation.  Note this does Not reduce costs nor accelerate
>> decision-making -- but it increases the Democratic Input of Everyone,
>> similar to http://loomio.org -- if for example Servant Leadership is our
>> goal?
>>
>> In the end of course it's all a question of putting our money where our
>> mouth is :>
>>
>> (I can and will bring in experts in Participatory Budgeting later if that
>> turns out to be appropriate.)
>>
>
> Yeah, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_budgeting sounds
> reasonable.
>
> Given that SLOBs are volunteers who run Sugar Labs, then what more do you
> want to see SLOBs do to practice Servant Leadership?
>

The "confidential suggestion box" is ignored in many organizations around
the world, or sometimes worse as an escape valve to silence/smother
thoughtful dissent.  I don't believe we need our own implementation of
"Secure Drop" (the open-source whistleblower submis

Re: [IAEP] Seeking insights into Oversight_Board/Decisions

[Adam Holt]

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Dave Crossland <d...@lab6.com> wrote:

> On 11 April 2016 at 14:32, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote:
>
>> You are thorough enough to consider the fiduciary/stewardship secretary
>> role outlined below, and/or coaching/mentoring someone younger to assist
>> you -- would you consider giving back in this way?
>>
>
> Sort of: I don't want to take on any responsibility, but you can trust me
> to make unsolicited recommendations to everyone ;)
>

I'll take that as a [Yes!]

Certainly if nobody but Walter and I are willing to maintain
self-consistency at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions
and http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Minutes and
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Finance etc, we will need to consider a paid
Financial Manager per Caryl's recommendation so we move beyond Magical
Transparency to Material Transparency, that you and others keep asking for.

Til we grow up into a healthy ecosystem where Volunteers & Paid
Professionals work alongside with complete respect, per Bastien's
reminder.  On that note I have very close friends in direct contact with
the worldwide experts in Participatory Budgeting if we need that
facilitation.  Note this does Not reduce costs nor accelerate
decision-making -- but it increases the Democratic Input of Everyone,
similar to http://loomio.org -- if for example Servant Leadership is our
goal?

In the end of course it's all a question of putting our money where our
mouth is :>

(I can and will bring in experts in Participatory Budgeting later if that
turns out to be appropriate.)


>
>> (SFConservancy.org has not yet replied to us explaining how a/our
>> nonprofit's bylaws should be published, but certainly
>> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance and
>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions will need to hang
>> together to build institutional memory without an excess of contradictions,
>> and we could certainly use your outsider comparative perspective here if
>> so!)
>>
>
> mediawiki has a 'lock' feature to allow certain pages to only be edited by
> certain users. We should use it for such 'serious' pages.
>
> Generally I think all mediawiki instances should be retired and replaced
> with a static site generator backed by a distributed version control "pull
> request" model of collaboration.
>
> http://designwithfontforge.com has semi-prominent "edit this page" (that
> could be even more prominent) and Github itself and 3rd party web editors
> like http://prose.io provide the "wiki" experience of editing pages
> directly, but with the PR permissions model that - IMHO - cultivates more
> quality.
>
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Re: [IAEP] Seeking insights into Oversight_Board/Decisions

[Adam Holt]

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

> SORRY
>
> I shot this off and didn't double check, I think I confused myself because
> (IIRC) Adam put together the finance wiki page summary and I got confused
> =)
>
> THANK YOU WALTER :D
>

Dave,

You are thorough enough to consider the fiduciary/stewardship secretary
role outlined below, and/or coaching/mentoring someone younger to assist
you -- would you consider giving back in this way?

(SFConservancy.org has not yet replied to us explaining how a/our
nonprofit's bylaws should be published, but certainly
https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Governance and
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions will need to hang
together to build institutional memory without an excess of contradictions,
and we could certainly use your outsider comparative perspective here if
so!)

> Sugar Labs unfortunately lacks a secretary to keep important records
organized and published at the moment.  Can someone be found to lighten
Walter's load in coming years, fulfilling this critical
fiduciary/stewardship task?

> Please contact us if you are interested in this very practical role, and
as a personal benefit to your own resume, your will learn a lot about
strengthening practical governance efficacy along the way.

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Re: [IAEP] Seeking insights into Oversight_Board/Decisions

[Adam Holt]

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 1:51 PM, Dave Crossland  wrote:

>
> Hi
>
> Thanks to Adam for putting together
> https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions - is a great read
> :)
>

This is Walter Bender's very hard work, and a huge step forward in 2015.

Sugar Labs unfortunately lacks a secretary to keep important records
organized and published at the moment.  Can someone be found to lighten
Walter's load in coming years, fulfilling this critical
fiduciary/stewardship task?

Please contact us if you are interested in this very practical role, and as
a personal benefit to your own resume, your will learn a lot about
strengthening practical governance efficacy along the way.

I have some questions about some of the motions, but some are a few years
> old and perhaps it is no longer easy to answer them - no pressure :)
>
> > selectricity
>
> This sounds great! What was the experience of using it like in 2009?
>
> Today www.loomio.org seems like a similar/alternative tool that could be
> used productively.
>
> Reading the IRC logs, the meetings are pretty chaotic. While IRC has
> 'voice privileges' to allow an op to de/mute certain handles to "pass the
> mic" and keep things more orderly, I think it would be better to do voting
> via email or loomio and keep the IRC meeting for discussion motions before
> they are voted on.
>
> > the design direction being proposed by Luca
>
> Where can I read about this?
>
> > We agreed that further discussions with the SFLA about the merits of
> trademark protection is needed.
>
> (I guess SFLA is a thinko and it was either SFLC or Conservancy :)
>
> Given the trademark fee was recently paid to renew the trademarks, I guess
> the merits were accepted; but I'm curious what they were stated as at the
> time. Where can I read about the discussions at that time?
>
> > desirability to have a meeting of Sugar Labs developers a couple of
> times per year
>
> What SL developers meetings are planned for this year, if any?
>
> > Sugar Labs encourages all GNU/Linux distributions to package and
> distribute Sugar
>
> All is a long list. Where is a list of distros that have packaged sugar's
> latest release in February?
>
> > Local labs can issue Sugar certificates (and charge for this service
> whatever they want)
>
> This is an interesting business model for Local Labs. When and where were
> such certs sold? When was the most recent certificate issued by any Local
> Lab?
>
> Which Local Labs are still active?
>
> > to keep the GSoC 2010 mentor funds as our general funds.
>
> Were subsequent years also retained as general funds? Will the GSoC 2016
> mentor funds be retained also?
>
> > Making Learning Visible
>
> Where is this text?
>
> > do a survey to solicit feedback from deployments
>
> Where are this survey's results?
>
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> Dave
>
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