Health Checker

2006-10-30 Thread Werner Kuehnel
I want to modify attributes of IBM delivered checks during start of HC. According to the manual I can do it by defining UPDATE statements in the HZSPRM00 parmlib member: UPDATE CHECK(IBMCNZ,CNZ_SYSCONS_MASTER) WTOTYPE=INFORMATIONAL However during startup of HC it says: HZS0410I

Re: Health Checker

2006-10-30 Thread Knutson, Sam
Try this in SYS1.PARMLIB(HZSPRM00) ADDREPLACE POLICY STMT(CONS1) UPDATE CHECK(IBMCNZ,CNZ_SYSCONS_MASTER) WTOTYPE(INFORMATIONAL) REASON('I have my reasons...') DATE(20061030) Thanks, Sam -Original Message

Re: xmit help scripits help

2006-10-30 Thread Knutson, Sam
I would suggest to uninstall and reinstall XMIT Manager v3 it sounds like something is fouled up in Windows http://www.cbttape.org/njw/index.html Thanks, Sam -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TRAVIS SHEN Sent: Sunday, October

Re: BCTR out of favor?

2006-10-30 Thread Charles Mills
This was exactly the rumor that I thought I recalled hearing that led to my OP. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Relson Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: BCTR out of

CrDate incorreect in SDSF

2006-10-30 Thread George Bly
HI We did a set clock to change our time. Now the CRDATE in sdsf reflects 10/31/2006. Did I miss something? Thanks!! George George A. Bly Senior Systems Programmer 331 Hayes Hall Information Technology Services Bowling Green State University Bowling Green,

Antwort: Re: Health Checker

2006-10-30 Thread Werner Kuehnel
(INFORMATIONAL) REASON('I have my reasons...') DATE(20061030) Thanks, Sam -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives

Re: CrDate incorreect in SDSF

2006-10-30 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 10/30/2006 8:15:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now the CRDATE in sdsf reflects 10/31/2006. Did I miss something? Guess the first place to start is the SYSLOG to see when the T CLOCK was entered and what values appeared. It'll

Re: CrDate incorreect in SDSF

2006-10-30 Thread George Bly
My D T shows IEE136I LOCAL: TIME=10.13.59 DATE=2006.303 UTC: TIME=15.12.21 DATE=2006.303 I was thinking I was missed a PTF some Place Jeslog shows 07.55.34 JOB15648 MONDAY,30 OCT 2006 SDSF show: CrDate-CrTime

Re: CrDate incorreect in SDSF

2006-10-30 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 10/30/2006 9:19:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was thinking I was missed a PTF some Place Are you running SDSF server? Were you running it under 1.4? Guess IBMLINK is next check.

Re: Workload manager

2006-10-30 Thread Smith, Sean M
You might ask the same question of Thruput Manager if you have that product. Sean Smith Bank of America -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John C. Wolf Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 7:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject:

Re: Workload manager

2006-10-30 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:49:54 -0600, John C. Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does the Work Load Manager have the smarts to assign a job class to a job? Nope. It can manage initiators for you, but something has to tell it what class it is in. You could categorize your work in WLM by some other

BPXF024I message

2006-10-30 Thread Anne Crabtree
Since bringing z/os v1r7 up productional yesterday, the mvs syslog is being inundated with BPXF024I messages.. Is there some way to prevent these messages or perhaps route them elsewhere? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: Antwort: Re: Health Checker

2006-10-30 Thread Brian Peterson
From manual IBM Health Checker for z/OS User's Guide topic 1.4.2.1 Can I have statements other than policy statements in my HZSPRMxx member?: It's not a good idea to have non-policy statements in your HZSPRMxx member. Your HZSPRMxx member should include only policy statements and the LOGGER

Re: BPXF024I message

2006-10-30 Thread Brian Peterson
BPXF024I messages are those which someone has chosen to direct to /dev/console. Perhaps your SYSLOG daemon on your new z/OS 1.7 system is set to send more messages to /dev/console than under your prior system. You might check your /etc/syslog.conf file under your new z/OS 1.7 system and

Re: BPXF024I message

2006-10-30 Thread Hal Merritt
That message number appears to be from the OMVS syslog. It has no meaning other than that. What is the content of the message? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anne Crabtree Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 10:32 AM To:

Re: BPXF024I message

2006-10-30 Thread Knutson, Sam
Hi Anne, I encountered this here before. In debugging a problem the network team had left a trace on at the z/OS FTP server. The FTP server started task which kicks off when the TCP/IP stack is started had a PARM=TRACE. //FTPD PROC MODULE='FTPD',PARMS='TRACE'

Re: BPXF024I message

2006-10-30 Thread Anne Crabtree
Evidently this was the problem.. the guy who does most of our OMVS stuff found it and fixed it. I guess it will take an IPL for it to take affect. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/30/2006 11:43 AM BPXF024I messages are those which someone has chosen to direct to /dev/console. Perhaps your SYSLOG daemon

FTP under z/os v1r7

2006-10-30 Thread Anne Crabtree
Another problem I'm having this morning is that everyone running ftp is going to the top of the heap. For instance, a colleague just ftp'd a small file and it took 40% of our cpu! The service class for these tasks is OMVS and I've been changing them to TSO on the fly to get them off the

Question about the Binder Library statement

2006-10-30 Thread Steve Comstock
I can't seem to locate the name and email of the woman at IBM now in charge of the Binder, so I'm posting this question on two lists to see if any one knows the answer: In the z/OS 1.8 Binder docs, the LIBRARY statement has some new options: * a pathname may be specified (must be an archive

Re: BPXF024I message

2006-10-30 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anne Crabtree Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 11:00 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: BPXF024I message Evidently this was the problem.. the guy who does most of our OMVS stuff

Re: BPXF024I message

2006-10-30 Thread Brian Peterson
All you have to do is recycle syslogd - no need to IPL. On my system, I normally start syslogd using a command in /etc/rc at IPL time, but can do this via command as well. My /etc/rc says: export _BPX_JOBNAME='syslogd' /usr/sbin/syslogd -f /etc/syslog.conf -c I cancelled the

Re: FTP under z/os v1r7

2006-10-30 Thread Brian Peterson
FTP transactions enter the system using the OMVS subsystem. In WLM, we assign an appropriate service class to these transactions using the WLM option 6 Classification Rules for the subsystem OMVS. In my case, I'm using the service class I've defined as the OMVS default service class to

Re: BPXF024I message

2006-10-30 Thread Gray, Larry - Larry A
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Re: FTP under z/os v1r7

2006-10-30 Thread Anne Crabtree
We don't have any classification rules on OMVS. The FTP tasks are running as service class OMVS, but I've been changing them to TSO and they drop down below DB2 and CICS which is what we want. This morning when I got here there were 10 OMVS tasks running and the cpu was at 100%. No one

Re: Mainframe still user surly, File-aid and Endevor aroused my ire.

2006-10-30 Thread Clark Morris
On 27 Oct 2006 07:09:41 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Clark See below for answers to your issues. Robert Galambos Compuware Senior Technical Specialist IBM Certified Solutions Expert - DB2 UDB for OS/390 Database Administration [EMAIL PROTECTED] some snippage . I

Endevor listings:Re: Mainframe still user surly, File-aid and Endevor aroused my ire.

2006-10-30 Thread Clark Morris
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:42:33 -0400, Mueller, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clark Morris said about Endevor program listings: . . . Underneath the covers they convert this so they can show you the listing they have stuffed in what appears to be a VSAM data set. . . . What you said about Endevor

Mainframe News

2006-10-30 Thread Alan Schwartz
http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/biztech/10/30/reviving.mainframes.ap/index.html Alan Schwartz Assurant Shared Business Services Lead Systems Programmer Phone: 651-361-4758 Fax: 651-361-5625 ** This e-mail

Re: Mainframe News

2006-10-30 Thread Darth Keller
Quote: Programming mainframes still involves typing code on a green screen, much like early versions of DOS, the operating system that dominated PCs before the visual windows approach. When was the last time you actually wrote code on a green screen?

Re: Receive Order Error

2006-10-30 Thread Gibbons, Mark
As far as I can tell. Internet retrieval creates and uses a unix process in another address space to retrieve orders. The systcpd dd statement is not passed to the new address space. The only method I've found that works is to have the data be found in the standard tcp search order. I'm not

Re: Mainframe News

2006-10-30 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darth Keller Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 1:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mainframe News Quote: Programming mainframes still involves typing code on a green screen,

Re: Mainframe News

2006-10-30 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 10/30/2006 1:21:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, darth.kel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Quote: Programming mainframes still involves typing code on a green screen, much like early versions of DOS, the operating system that dominated PCs before the visual windows approach.

Re: Mainframe News

2006-10-30 Thread Eric N. Bielefeld
I always used a 3278 mod 5 type device, not a PC. I had my PC right next to my dumb terminal, which was really helpful when I was reading books in book manager. I never used green for much, because that color was harder to see. Eric Bielefeld Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer Milwaukee Wisconsin

Re: Mainframe News

2006-10-30 Thread Eric N. Bielefeld
Alan, thanks for sharing this article. Maybe there's hope yet for me in my job search. Now all IBM has to do is give some of that flexible pricing to its current customers, so they can afford to stay on the mainframe. Eric Bielefeld Sr. z/OS Systems Programmer Milwaukee Wisconsin

Re: Mainframe News

2006-10-30 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of (IBM Mainframe Discussion List) Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 1:31 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mainframe News In a message dated 10/30/2006 1:21:20 P.M. Central

Re: Java/LE Tuning Advice sought

2006-10-30 Thread Tim Hare
I've been out for a week, and I haven't seen this possibility posted in response to your problem, so I'm going to post it. Feel free to cross-post to MVS-OE if you think it's necessary. Check with the vendor to see what kind of I/O the application does. We once had an engineering software

Re: Mainframe News

2006-10-30 Thread Hal Merritt
As far as I know, IBM offers that pricing to anyone who asks. The problem is that many large shops have locked themselves into a culture that is unable to adapt. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric N. Bielefeld Sent:

Re: Receive Order Error

2006-10-30 Thread Brian Peterson
Mark, you're absolutely right. I've been looking at the books and they can set up a global search order using the RESOLVER function of TCP/IP. That way, every address space would get the right set of TCPIP.DATA values, no matter what they happened to specify. According to the books, one of

Re: IP/Printway Question.

2006-10-30 Thread =?iso-8859-1?Q?Rick_Stetser?=
If this a HP 4si check this out...TELNET connect to the printer, log on to the printer (userid and password are adm (in lower case), select option A (for configure print server, typing the letter will make the choice so you don't have to hit the Enter key), select option B (for Configure

Re: Mainframe News

2006-10-30 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Darth Keller Quote: Programming mainframes still involves typing code on a green screen, much like early versions of DOS, the operating system that dominated PCs before the visual windows approach. When was

Re: Mainframe News

2006-10-30 Thread Steve Comstock
McKown, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darth Keller Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 1:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mainframe News Quote: Programming mainframes still involves typing code on a

TPX and Logon Scripts

2006-10-30 Thread Lizette Koehler
Anyone out there have customized TPX with logon scripts that can help me make them work? CA has not been very helpful on this issue and I am losing my hair (not really) over this. I read the manuals and do not get very far because I am not VTAM or CICS fluent (trying to make CICS Autoinstall

S-322

2006-10-30 Thread Jorge Arueira Campos
Hi People I have a problem in Z/os 1.4 when CICSHAOR3 (2.3) abend S322, the settings of JES2PARM are 1440, issued by command $TJOBCLASSS(STC),TIME=(1440,0), but have a same problem. I need restart a JES2 with cold start or the set command are valid ? $HASP837 JOBCLASS(STC) $HASP837

Re: What's a programming language (was: Google ... )

2006-10-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/17/2006 at 02:33 PM, Patrick O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MultiFunction Card Machine (or Mother Fletcher's Card Mulcher). Well, I guess that you can't get away with the standard expansion in a public forum ;-) 2560, Sounds right. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.)

Re: Wild Branch Diagnosis (Was: Five Digit Device Numbers)

2006-10-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 08/05/2005 at 04:50 PM, Graeme Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ISTR that the 1401 had a LAR too. Anyone else recall this? Are you thinking of the B register? SBR was standard for subroutine linkage. Of course, that behavior meant that you couldn't pass parameters in

Re: Question on the load list

2006-10-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/28/2006 at 07:02 PM, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Assembler reentrancy appears to equate to does not modify itself. It's a heuristic for that; it flags some things that are not self modification and it fails to flag some things that are. It's good for a

Re: Numbers in JCL (was: FileSeq Number on Tape)

2006-10-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/27/2006 at 05:23 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Is it available or OCO? It's probably available on VPL. If not, you can get the source for a much older version from the Hercules project. I'd accept that if you could persuade me that there's a generic

Re: List of standard IBM SVC numbers, please

2006-10-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/27/2006 at 09:05 PM, (IBM Mainframe Discussion List) [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: How, then, would one trace ALL uses of a particular system service that sometimes is invoked via SVC, sometimes via PC, et al.? SLIP, perhaps. If you're lucky the service might use CT. In

Re: S-322

2006-10-30 Thread Hal Merritt
If I remember correctly, all you need to do is code TIME=1440 or TIME=NOLIMIT on the EXEC statement. TIME=NOLIMIT is said to prevent S522 as well. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jorge Arueira Campos Sent: Monday, October

Re: S-322

2006-10-30 Thread Gray, Larry - Larry A
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Re: Mainframe News

2006-10-30 Thread Dave Salt
From: McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Imagine how nice it would be to have a COBOL aware editor that would be able to know your data names, even if they are in a COPY book. In some ways, the ISPF editor is already 'COBOL aware'. If highlighting is turned it colors the program to show comments,

Re: EasyTrieve SOC4

2006-10-30 Thread Mark Zelden
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:27:18 -0700, Howard Brazee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An old EasyTrieve job aborted with an 0C4 snip Any ideas? What version? What processor (have you upgraded recently)? We had some issues when we upgraded to z990 with older versions. The same would also apply to z9.

Re: EasyTrieve SOC4

2006-10-30 Thread Alan C. Field
Howard, We just upgraded to a z9 on Sunday and started getting 0C4s. We quickly moved Easytrieve 6.4 0311 into production (had been running ain development) and no more 0C4s. What level of EZT are you on? Have you checked with CA for mtce? Alan Howard Brazee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by:

Re: SMF JWT

2006-10-30 Thread Thompson, Steve (SCI TW)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NAIDOO Raleigh (AXA-Tech-AU) Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 4:25 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: SMF JWT 1. The SMF JWT parm specifies the maximum amount of time that a job or TSO/E user

Re: SMF JWT

2006-10-30 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Does this include started tasks? If not what determines the S522 abend condition for started tasks. All tasks are determined by JWT, unless you code and exit. But, you can override it with TIME=1440 (or NOLIMIT) on the step. I would do it that way, myself. When in doubt. PANIC!!

Re: SMF JWT

2006-10-30 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Lastly, it will take longer for things to time-out that are waiting for some event to occur (such as tape mounts). 1: I would not want Production to ever fail on a tape mount. I'd rather wait than restart. 2: With Virtual tape, how long is a mount? When in doubt. PANIC!!

Re: TPX and Logon Scripts

2006-10-30 Thread Dave Kutz
something similar to this may help you OPTIONFLOW,OFF *** DEBUG ** OPTIONTERM,OFF *** DEBUG ** WINWWINP WAIT FOR KEYBOARD TO FREE UP * CLEAR KEY

Re: SMF JWT

2006-10-30 Thread Shane Ginnane
Lastly, it will take longer for things to time-out that are waiting for some event to occur (such as tape mounts). 1: I would not want Production to ever fail on a tape mount. I'd rather wait than restart. 2: With Virtual tape, how long is a mount? When I first arrived the UTL used to

Re: Receive Order Error

2006-10-30 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:22:10 -0800, Gibbons, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The only method I've found that works is to have the data be found in the standard tcp search order. I'm not sure what the standard search order is (tcp config reference lookup a while back) but it will find:

Re: Jes2 Exit52 Again

2006-10-30 Thread Dave Kopischke
need to know how big of an idiot I am, do you ?? Forget to pay the RENT? OK, I'll come clean... It wasn't even that obscure... Really rookie stuff... Less than rookie stuff... I tried to move a flag data item to a different register because I thought it was a good idea. It was sharing

Re: Workload manager

2006-10-30 Thread Norman Hollander
What do you want WLM do base a Jobclass assignment on? I believe Thruput Manager does have the capability to assign a Jobclass based on projected Resource utilization. JES2 does have a default Jobclass, if you don't specify one. Are the Jobs being summated only by TSO (TSO submit exit perhaps)?

Re: TPX and Logon Scripts

2006-10-30 Thread Norman Hollander
Lizette- Do you have the SR number for the problem? I'm always interested in finding out why our support folks may not being so helpful from the customer perspective. You should be able to get all the examples and usage recommendations you need. Norman -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: JES2 Dynamic Exit Reloader and zOS 1.8

2006-10-30 Thread Dave Kopischke
Do any of you have already tried Jes2 dynamic exit reloader (CBTTape file 198) in zOS 1.8 ? I`ve tried and it seems not to work properly. When issueing $REPEXIT loadmod, we receive message $HASP000 loadmod not located in LINKLIST library. Same in z/OS 1.7. I managed to fix my EXIT52 during the

DIT0370I message, pls help.

2006-10-30 Thread he_ming
I want to write DITTO output to REXX, and I change the processing options PRINTOUT to REXX, but it show below error message, I donnot know hot wo run in unauthorized mode. error message: DIT0370I Function SET PRINTOUT=REXX

Re: Apology

2006-10-30 Thread Dave Kopischke
you didn't make any spelling errors doing it like I did! (Meant in humor) Eric Bielefeld Are you sure you don't mean humour -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL

Re: Receive Order Error

2006-10-30 Thread Brian Peterson
For the record, I would like to correct what I had written earlier regarding this topic. COMMONSEARCH has little or more likely nothing to do with the problem. However, the RESOLVER function of TCP/IP can provide a resolution to the problem. You can choose to put appropriate default values in

Re: RENT and REFR -- Real Intent v. Actual Use?

2006-10-30 Thread Tom Marchant
On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 09:28:37 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/26/2006 at 09:45 PM, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... I could have sworn that early definitions of RENT allowed a program to modify itself, So would the authors of

Re: Numbers in JCL (was: FileSeq Number on Tape)

2006-10-30 Thread Tom Marchant
On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 12:45:59 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/27/2006 at 05:23 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: BTW, what's the rationale for the maximum of 2096128K? Presumably 2 GiB minus 16 MiB minus extended common. Nope. I

Re: VTAM and GCN

2006-10-30 Thread Chris Mason
Dave I've tried to compensate for my lack of experience with Enterprise Extender global connection networks by doing some reading. In z/OS V1R8.0 Communications Server SNA Network Implementation Guide there is a new chapter, | 3.3 Chapter 6. Using Enterprise Extender (EE). As you see I've copied

Re: Apology

2006-10-30 Thread Eric Bielefeld
I just looked it up in the dictionary, and you can spell it either way. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer 414-475-7434 Milwaukee, Wisconsin - Original Message - From: Dave Kopischke [EMAIL PROTECTED] you didn't make any spelling errors doing it like I did! (Meant in humor)

Re: Apology

2006-10-30 Thread Chris Mason
Eric We've had some Ellis Island discussions in this thread but I thought you were by now a thoroughly naturalised citizen of the land of the free That being so, you are obliged to spell words with the -our ending as -or. You didn't say which dictionary you used but I happen to have a

Re: TPX and Logon Scripts

2006-10-30 Thread Roland Schiradin
I don't think this ACL would work as TABF 1 move the cursor to the Groupid. NL 1 should do. Userid . . . . Groupid . . . Password . . . Language .

Re: Mainframe News

2006-10-30 Thread R.S.
Darth Keller wrote: Quote: Programming mainframes still involves typing code on a green screen, much like early versions of DOS, the operating system that dominated PCs before the visual windows approach. When was the last time you actually wrote code on a green screen? Yesterday. --