Re: StopX37 to CA-Allocate

2007-10-02 Thread Gibney, Dave
Never had either product, but x37 abends went away when we put in SMS. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gsg Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: StopX37 to CA-Allocate Our shop uses SMS for

Re: Data-in-Virtual Performance

2007-10-02 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... We are using VSAM Linear datasets (LDS) and Data-in-Virtual (DIV) within our application and this is working fine - apart from under one circumstance. If we define a VSAM LDS as multi-volulme and capable of over 4GB by setting the

Re: Peer-to-Peer VTS and IBM ATL Specialist

2007-10-02 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Michael Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi, We have recently implemented a Peer to Peer VTS solution, and are seeing some interesting 'anomalies' when looking at the copy queue from the IBM ATL Specialist software. Some volumes seem to enter the copy

RMM - Problems with special EXPDT and VRS

2007-10-02 Thread Alex B Nielsen
Hello Group. I have recently converted TLMS to DFSMSRMM , and now i have poblems with special EXPDT dates (eg : 99010) , which should be assigned to VRS D99010 ,and kept for 10 cycles , but dataset are not set to this VRS . The dataset is GDG ds. I have exit EDGUX100 active(no changes to

IPCS L command returns KEY(??)

2007-10-02 Thread al chu
Hi Does anyone know what KEY(??) means in the output of LIST command. I have the following output LIST 8BD000. ASID(X'0288') LENGTH(X'30') AREA ASID(X'0288') ADDRESS(8BD000.) KEY(??) 008BD000 LENGTH(X'30')==All bytes contain

Re: z/OS using a guest virtual LAN under z/VM

2007-10-02 Thread Chris Mason
This post appears also in the IBMTCP-L list. There are some responses there giving assurance that the SNA component of Communications Server (VTAM) is indeed necessarily involved. Chris Mason - Original Message - From: Raymond Noal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups:

Re: z/OS using a guest virtual LAN under z/VM

2007-10-02 Thread Malcolm Beattie
Raymond Noal writes: Does anybody have a z/OS system (I'm using 1.8, but it does not have to be) running in a virtual machine under z/VM (I'm using 5.3.0, but it does not have to be) and the z/OS virtual machine is connected to a guest virtual LAN. Yes, (z/OS 1.6 under z/VM 5.1.0 at the

Re: StopX37 to CA-Allocate

2007-10-02 Thread John Kington
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 10/01/2007 07:35:16 PM: Our shop uses SMS for allocation and StopX37, but we are looking at replacing StopX37 with CA-Allocate. Does anyone have any experience coverting from StopX37 to CA-Allocate or converting off of CA-Allocate.

Re: RMM - Problems with special EXPDT and VRS

2007-10-02 Thread Mike Wood
Alex, In order to get those special EXPDT values to be honoured, you have to handle existing data set, and also newly created data sets. The conversion program, EDGCDYNM, for TLMS conversion handles the existing data sets when the SYSIN option keyword VRSMGMTP PREFIX=ppp is specified. The

Re: z/OS using a guest virtual LAN under z/VM

2007-10-02 Thread Chris Mason
Malcolm There's something a bit fishy here! Making the DEVICE name the same as the TRLE name does *not* correspond to what I just posted on the IBMTCP-L list concerning the relationship between the TRLE statement and the DEVICE statement. Thus I was obliged actually to go to the manuals

Re: JES2 or JES3, Which one is older?

2007-10-02 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/18/2007 at 01:56 PM, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The third major version of spooling was in OS/VS1 (ed. after ASP and HASP). FSVO 3rd; OS/360 had it's own spooling support, making JES1 the 4th. I understand that RCI was not copied to MVS. Alas! OS/VS2

Re: JES2 or JES3, Which one is older?

2007-10-02 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/18/2007 at 04:04 PM, Lizette Koehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The names are AUTOMATIC SPOOLING SYSTEM Attached Support Processor. Later changed to something like asymmetric multiple processors. HOUSTON AUTOMATIC SPOOLING SYSTEM Houston Automatic Spooling

Re: JES2 or JES3, Which one is older?

2007-10-02 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/18/2007 at 10:50 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The HASP for OS/SVS was HASP 4. There was no HASP 4; the last HASP, not counting JES2, was HASP II, which went through four versions. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO

Re: IPCS L command returns KEY(??)

2007-10-02 Thread Hardee, Charles H
Al, The KEY() piece of data in a storage display indicates the storage key the block is in, whether it is protected or not, has it been referenced and has it been changed. The last time I looked this up, and I don't remember where I found it, the KEY() value decodes to the following: KEY() = ??

Re: IPCS L command returns KEY(??)

2007-10-02 Thread Robert Wright
al chu wrote: Does anyone know what KEY(??) means in the output of LIST command. I have the following output LIST 8BD000. ASID(X'0288') LENGTH(X'30') AREA ASID(X'0288') ADDRESS(8BD000.) KEY(??) 008BD000 LENGTH(X'30')==All bytes contain X'00' KEY(??) means that the dump records contained

Industry Standard Time To Analyze A Line Of Code

2007-10-02 Thread Bob Fake - InfoSec, Inc.
Hi All, I've searched the archives, but didn't find anything on this... Can anyone tell me or does anyone know where I might find a documented industry standard amount of time it takes to analyze a line of code? I suspect something has been published on this somewhere, but I can't seem to

TS7700 and z/OS 1.4 ?

2007-10-02 Thread Blekemolen, Nico
Can anyone tell me if a TS7700 can be used in a z/OS 1.4 environment ? Nico Blekemolen Systems Programmer Atos Origin -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the

Re: Industry Standard Time To Analyze A Line Of Code

2007-10-02 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Fake - InfoSec, Inc. Hi All, [ snip ] I'm sure the amount of time varies depending on the type of code (ALC, COBOL, EZtrieve, et al) but any direction would be greatly appreciated. Likely that analysis

Re: StopX37 to CA-Allocate

2007-10-02 Thread Ed Gould
On Oct 2, 2007, at 6:33 AM, John Kington wrote: We converted many years ago before SMS provided Storage Constraint Relief. We use CA-Vantage along with CA-Disk so CA-Allocate was a better fit. If you are not dependent on notcat 2 processing, you should try SCR first mostly due to the fact

Re: StopX37 to CA-Allocate

2007-10-02 Thread John Kington
Ed, On Oct 2, 2007, at 6:33 AM, John Kington wrote: We converted many years ago before SMS provided Storage Constraint Relief. We use CA-Vantage along with CA-Disk so CA-Allocate was a better fit. If you are not dependent on notcat 2 processing, you should try SCR first mostly due

Re: Industry Standard Time To Analyze A Line Of Code

2007-10-02 Thread Todd Burch
I seem to recall that the average lines produced per day for a seasoned programmer was 17. Todd -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Fake - InfoSec, Inc. Hi All, I've searched the archives, but didn't find anything on

Re: Industry Standard Time To Analyze A Line Of Code

2007-10-02 Thread Robert Fake
Thanks Todd. More specifically, I'm looking at this from a maintenance perspective. If I give a programmer an existing program to modify, how long on average will it take, per line of code, to analyze the program to then be able to then make necessary changes. Bob Robert B. Fake InfoSec, Inc.

Re: Industry Standard Time To Analyze A Line Of Code

2007-10-02 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I seem to recall that the average lines produced per day for a seasoned programmer was 17. In the late 1980's, the trend was towards function points, rather than lines of code. Lines of code can be as meaningful as MIPS. - Too busy driving to stop for gas!

Re: Industry Standard Time To Analyze A Line Of Code

2007-10-02 Thread Gary D. Maxwell
More specifically, I'm looking at this from a maintenance perspective. If I give a programmer an existing program to modify, how long on average will it take, per line of code, to analyze the program to then be able to then make necessary changes. No way to predict. It all depends on

Re: Questions on ATTACHX's ETXR exit routine

2007-10-02 Thread Peter Relson
(Old thread, just got back) The savearea provided to the ETXR is 72 bytes long. A CAUTION. In many cases it is not safe (system intergrity wise) to use the savearea pointed to by R13 if you are running in a space that could have user tasks (not yours) running. For example, consider a vanilla key

Re: Industry Standard Time To Analyze A Line Of Code

2007-10-02 Thread Arthur T.
On 2 Oct 2007 07:14:19 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chase, John) wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Fake - InfoSec, Inc. Hi All, [ snip ] I'm sure the amount of time varies depending on

Re: IPCS L command returns KEY(??)

2007-10-02 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 10/02/2007 08:34:26 AM: al chu wrote: Does anyone know what KEY(??) means in the output of LIST command. I have the following output LIST 8BD000. ASID(X'0288') LENGTH(X'30') AREA ASID(X'0288') ADDRESS(8BD000.) KEY(??)

Re: Industry Standard Time To Analyze A Line Of Code

2007-10-02 Thread Kenny Fogarty
I'd suggest that such a metric would be pretty hard to establish, and, if you could get a value, surely it would be different for each individual, thus rendering it quite meaningless, no? snipped More specifically, I'm looking at this from a maintenance perspective. If I give a programmer an

Re: Industry Standard Time To Analyze A Line Of Code

2007-10-02 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Robert Fake wrote: More specifically, I'm looking at this from a maintenance perspective. If I give a programmer an existing program to modify, how long on average will it take, per line of code, to analyze the program to then be able to then make necessary changes. Before continuing: How LONG

Re: Industry Standard Time To Analyze A Line Of Code

2007-10-02 Thread Anton Britz
Hi, Depends who wants to know ? If it's the US military 100 years... Congress will fund you forever while debating Adverts on the web and the radio. Anton Britz On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:01:47 -0500, Bob Fake - InfoSec, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I've searched the archives,

Re: StopX37 to CA-Allocate

2007-10-02 Thread gsg
What kind of logic did you put in to make the 37 abends go away? Just installing SMS, doesn't make that happen. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the

IODF convert backwards

2007-10-02 Thread Miklos Szigetvari
Hi We have a one pack RESCUE system generated under z/OS 1.4 and the actual IODF generated under z/OS 1.7. I copied this new IODF to the RESCUE, but got a B0 wait state. (saying IODF is in a higher version as the system attempting to use ) Can I solve this without regenerate the RESCUE ?

CA:Allocate

2007-10-02 Thread Lucy Arnold
I am running CA:Allocate, if you give me an idea of what you want to do, I could probably send you some code examples. Lucy Arnold Storage Manager U.C. Davis Medical Center 916-734-5498 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff /

Re: Industry Standard Time To Analyze A Line Of Code

2007-10-02 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:21:27 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: Robert Fake wrote: More specifically, I'm looking at this from a maintenance perspective. If I give a programmer an existing program to modify, how long on average will it take, per line of code, to analyze the program to then be able

Re: IODF convert backwards

2007-10-02 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 18:08:21 +0200, Miklos Szigetvari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi We have a one pack RESCUE system generated under z/OS 1.4 and the actual IODF generated under z/OS 1.7. I copied this new IODF to the RESCUE, but got a B0 wait state. (saying IODF is in a higher version as the

Re: Industry Standard Time To Analyze A Line Of Code

2007-10-02 Thread John P Baker
Back in the 80s, we operated under the premise that a seasoned programmer should be able to produce 20 lines of bug-free assembler code per day. However, it is vital to note that this is addressing code development, not code revision. The problem in development this type of performance metric

Re: IODF convert backwards

2007-10-02 Thread Roy Hewitt
Miklos Szigetvari wrote: Hi We have a one pack RESCUE system generated under z/OS 1.4 and the actual IODF generated under z/OS 1.7. I copied this new IODF to the RESCUE, but got a B0 wait state. (saying IODF is in a higher version as the system attempting to use ) Can I solve this without

Re: StopX37 to CA-Allocate

2007-10-02 Thread Ed Gould
On Oct 2, 2007, at 9:25 AM, John Kington wrote: Ed, On Oct 2, 200 If you try to create a dataset with DISP=(NEW,CATLG) and it is already cataloged, you usually get a not cataloged 2 message in your job if the dataset is not SMS-managed. IEF287I dataset.name NOT CATLGD 2

Re: Industry Standard Time To Analyze A Line Of Code

2007-10-02 Thread (IBM Mainframe Discussion List)
In a message dated 10/2/2007 9:49:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: More specifically, I'm looking at this from a maintenance perspective. If I give a programmer an existing program to modify, how long on average will it take, per line of code, to analyze the

Re: Industry Standard Time To Analyze A Line Of Code

2007-10-02 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 10/2/2007 12:16:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In addition, the performance metrics used for application code are vastly different from the performance metrics used for systems code. There is an entire field of study regarding performance

Re: StopX37 to CA-Allocate

2007-10-02 Thread John Kington
Ed, On Oct 2, 2007, at 9:25 AM, John Kington wrote: Ed, On Oct 2, 200 If you try to create a dataset with DISP=(NEW,CATLG) and it is already cataloged, you usually get a not cataloged 2 message in your job if the dataset is not SMS-managed. IEF287I dataset.name

Re: IODF convert backwards

2007-10-02 Thread Glenn Miller
I recently had to do apply the compatability PTF that Mark mentioned to a z/OS R4 one-pack rescue system. The APAR: OA08197 NEW FUNCTION ( SUPPORT IODF V5 DATASET ). The z/OS R4 PTF is: UA17026 ( there are PTFs for z/OS R5 R6 ). However, all 3 PTFs were PE'ed by APAR: OA15115. The goods

Re: Industry Standard Time To Analyze A Line Of Code

2007-10-02 Thread Robert Fake
Thanks all, I figured this was going to be abstract and hard to nail down. Wanted to be able to rely on some documented standard if available to base my estimates on. Bob Robert B. Fake InfoSec, Inc. 703-825-1202 (o) 571-241-5492 (c) 949-203-0406 (efax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us at

ISPF PROBLEM : Initial edit macro set

2007-10-02 Thread esmie moo
Good Day Gentle Readers, I am not sure what I did but when I use 3.4 (ISPF) to edit a PDS member I get the message Initial edit macro set. Also, when I go into edit mode in the member an f appears in the command line and displays Required string missing Can anybody please advise me

GRS Joining Complex

2007-10-02 Thread John P Donnelly
…we just moved from V1R4 to V1R7 29SEP07… …we had a Test LPAR executing V1R7 and a Prod LPAR executing V1R4… …these two happily coexisted with GRS as PLEXCFG=MONOPLEX, and system logger files defined with PLEX5 and PLEX1… …with the Prod LPAR under V1R7, we IPLed the Test LPAR (V1R7)… …and this

Re: ISPF PROBLEM : Initial edit macro set

2007-10-02 Thread Stocker, Herman
1. Edit a member click on edit_setting and blank out User session initial macro 2. edit a seq file and blank out Initial Macro Regards, Herman Stocker Technical Specialist Data Center Operations avis budget group Phone: 1973-496-4847 fax: 1973-496-8201 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Using SMS to get rid of StopX37

2007-10-02 Thread gsg
We mainly use StopX37 for the SPACVOLA feature. How do you handle this with SCR? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the

Re: Load from Tape using HMC - Stand Alone Tape

2007-10-02 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/20/2007 at 04:42 AM, Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: We specify the Load address on the HMC screen Which HMC screen? as 890 Try 0890. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We

Re: IODF convert backwards - updated with example

2007-10-02 Thread Roy Hewitt
Roy Hewitt wrote: Miklos Szigetvari wrote: Hi We have a one pack RESCUE system generated under z/OS 1.4 and the actual IODF generated under z/OS 1.7. I copied this new IODF to the RESCUE, but got a B0 wait state. (saying IODF is in a higher version as the system attempting to use ) Can I

Re: GRS Joining Complex

2007-10-02 Thread Gates, Guy
Hello, I found RTA000189025 while searching SIS on SERVICELINK. Parallel sysplex with LPARs PC90 z/OS 1.4 and PC9A test system on z/OS 1.7. No MAS. MASDEF has share=nocheck Installation is pondering over RNL specification for JES2 after experiencing $HASP9201 JES2 MAIN TASK WAIT DETECTED AT

Re: Using SMS to get rid of StopX37

2007-10-02 Thread John Kington
We mainly use StopX37 for the SPACVOLA feature. How do you handle this with SCR? Use a dataclass that has a value in Additional Volume Amount that is the same as the limit you have in SPACVOLA. Regards, John -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: Industry Standard Time To Analyze A Line Of Code

2007-10-02 Thread Arthur T.
On 2 Oct 2007 07:49:49 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main (Message-ID:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Fake) wrote: More specifically, I'm looking at this from a maintenance perspective. If I give a programmer an existing program to modify, how long on average will it take, per

Re: Industry Standard Time To Analyze A Line Of Code

2007-10-02 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John P Baker) writes: Back in the 80s, we operated under the premise that a seasoned programmer should be able to produce 20 lines of bug-free

Re: StopX37 to CA-Allocate

2007-10-02 Thread Gibney, Dave
It comes close, then DATACLAS and STORCLAS with striping, extended format, space constraint processing. Heck, just System Determined Blksize can help a lot. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of gsg Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007

B-A-D

2007-10-02 Thread Peter Relson
There are obviously (too) many places where what turned out to be incorrect design decisions (or lack of design decisions) have led to the system not working the way it should. This is popularly referred to as broken-as-designed (BAD). It is true that typically design defects are not subject to

Re: GRS Joining Complex

2007-10-02 Thread Ernie Takeuchi
When your plexcfg is in a monoplex, you have two separate systems almost as if you were to define your systems as LOCAL. When you say MIM, do you mean MIM Tape or DASD? Also, are you in a GRS Ring or a basic sysplex. If you are just moving from 1.4 to 1.7, my guess is that you not only

RACF via ORACLE IDENTITY MANAGER CONNECTOR

2007-10-02 Thread Mark S. House
Does anyone have any experience with Oracle Identity Manager Connector for RACF Advanced? Our Security Dept. is going to deploy the product in our company and it looks like there are a lot of issues with it running on a z9. Any feedback would be appreciated. Mark House (402) 778-1966 IBM

Re: StopX37 to CA-Allocate

2007-10-02 Thread Ed Gould
On Oct 2, 2007, at 12:50 PM, John Kington wrote: Ed, I always considered it bad design. Chalk it up to user desire because they found it expedient. Once in place, it became the new normal and jcl was structured to rely upon the automatic error handling. There is no way to stop without

Re: Industry Standard Time To Analyze A Line Of Code

2007-10-02 Thread Rick Fochtman
--snip More specifically, I'm looking at this from a maintenance perspective. If I give a programmer an existing program to modify, how long on average will it take, per line of code, to analyze the program to then be able to then make necessary

Re: JES2 check point in CF and DR

2007-10-02 Thread Skip Robinson
We've been XRC mirroring DASD between data centers about 100 KM apart since the late 90s. When we started, we were using much slower technology than we have today. DWDM over 'dark fiber' in conjunction with modern RAID DASD have changed the metrics of what can or cannot/should not be mirrored. In

Re: RMM - Problems with special EXPDT and VRS

2007-10-02 Thread Alex B Nielsen
Mike. I am right assuming the solution you described , does not cover tapes created after the switch to RMM in protect mode , after several VRSEL runs ?. Alex Nielsen -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: JES2 or JES3, Which one is older?

2007-10-02 Thread Clark Morris
On 18 Sep 2007 13:19:39 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Technically, both JES2 and JES3 are equally old, since I think they were both available on the first release of OS/VS Release 2, known later as MVS. Which of their predecessors is older is a different question. As I

New File system From IBM

2007-10-02 Thread Ed Gould
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/02/ibm_gpfs_3point2/ IBM upgrades brain-bending file system GPFS - it's about policy By Austin Modine in Mountain View → More by this author Published Tuesday 2nd October 2007 22:49 GMT IBM on Friday is releasing a new version of its General Parallel File