Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-14 Thread Shane
On Thu, 2007-12-13 at 23:00 -0500, Jim Mulder wrote: CC (expecting a flame or two :-) Well, I type too slowly to do much flaming. I'd be prepared to bet that you were not the intended target of that little barb, Jim. Shane ...

Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest

2007-12-14 Thread Phil Payne
.. BCTR Rx,0 .. I've had conversations with processor designers at both Amdahl and IBM. The general idea is that a BCTR that cannot be taken (target register = 0) is recognized as a special form of BCTR and has been, in fact, since the 360/85. And a BCTR or BCT with a non-zero target is

Re: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest

2007-12-14 Thread Ted MacNEIL
http://www.isham-research.co.uk/images/teeth.jpg I get a 404: Not found - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET

Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-14 Thread John Ticic
-- snip -- (expecting a flame or two :-) Well, I type too slowly to do much flaming. And of course, I am willing to discuss this in great detail any time you come to Poughkeepsie and take me out for a beer. However, I am at somewhat of a loss to figure out how an operating system would

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread R.S.
Paul Gilmartin wrote: [...] o Cross system sharing of members and data sets That's one of the reasons why people still choose PDS. Sharing of PDSE out of sysplex scope is actually impossible. Sometimes PDSE performance can be worse than in PDS. See Barbara Nitz postings related to PDSE.

DFHSM QUESTION - PROBLEM PARTIAL/MARFULL

2007-12-14 Thread willie bunter
Hi all, I have a problem which is occurring at an intermittent basis. DFHSM has DUPLEX(MIGRATION) and we are using the parm SETSYS PARTIALTAPE(MIGRATION(MARKFULL). We send one copy offsite. For some reason sometimes DFHSM sets both copies to PARTIAL. I am not sure why this is

Re: Java Problem Analysis

2007-12-14 Thread Patrick Falcone
I can sympathize Ed. We were on the edge with WebSphere on z/OS when I believe the freeware, v3.02, came out in 2001 and we had quite a time with problems and support on all sides including my own due to lack of practical experience. When I recommended, in a call to developers at our corporate

Re: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest

2007-12-14 Thread Tom Marchant
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:13:09 -0800, Tom Simons wrote: Here's 8 instructions to translate 8 bits to 8 chars of 1's or 0's: LAR3,8 ICR5,INBYTE SLL R5,24 LOOP SLL R4,3 SLDL R4,1 BCT R3,LOOP STR4,OUTCHAR UNPK

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John P Kalinich Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 6:49 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The future of PDSs Timothy Sipples of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread R.S.
John P Kalinich wrote: Timothy Sipples of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 12/14/2007 12:11:48 AM: Peter Hunkeler writes: Isn't it about time for one more name change since z/OS is approaching release 10? Any nominations? :-) z/MVS for nostalgic reasons.

Re: Virtual Storage Controls - Was Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-14 Thread Steven Conway
Martin and John, I understand and agree with what your responses, and celebration is possibly an over-statement. Half the battle, at times, is getting acknowledgement from a vendor that an issue really is an issue, and not just customer whining. Not that we ever have that here, of course.

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread Clark Morris
On 13 Dec 2007 04:34:08 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: It is certain that PDS's will exist for the entire life of z/OS (or whatever name it might have down the road, if that ever changes again). It is almost certain that PDSEs will never be allowed in the LPALST (chicken and egg

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread Kelman, Tom
If you go to this Red Book - http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg246524.pdf - it mentions the PDS Pain white paper and lists the things wrong with PDS datasets. Just do a PDF search for PDS Pain. However, I'd rather use a PDS than a PDSE for one that is not update very often. You don't

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread Kelman, Tom
How about something simple like HAL ala 2001: A Space Odyssey. Tom Kelman Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chase, John Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:04 AM To:

Re: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest

2007-12-14 Thread Art Celestini
Much of what I was talking about is described here: http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/rd/446/webb.html although even this paper is somewhat dated by now. My understanding is that the z9 class microprocessors have a much deeper (longer) pipeline, and the logic that looks at instructions very

Re: VTOC size

2007-12-14 Thread John Kington
Mark, In VSE I could dump the VTOC(they were pretty small) and determine the relative amount of the space being used. I haven't figured out if there is a way to determine how much of your VTOC or Index is currently being used in MVS. You can tell how many free dscbs are on a given volume by

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread Jon Brock
Instead of z/BASIC, it should be z/PLAIN. Jon snip z/BASIC, z/DEVELOPER, z/BUSINESS, z/ENTERPRISE, and of course z/ULTIMATE . Keep in mind that I'm in the U.S.A. where we pronounce z as zee, not zed. Also keep in mind the bad German accent in English movies where zee is the. /snip

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread Jon Brock
Exactly. Jon snip As in Boss! z/PLAIN, z/PLAIN!? /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread Jon Brock
Depending on how things go here in the next couple of years, either Nessus or Laomedon. Jon snip Any nominations? :-) /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Rexx Alternate Library

2007-12-14 Thread Mark Zelden
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:29:36 -0600, Patrick O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:56:33 -0500, Pinnacle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The Rexx Alternate Library is not SMP/E installable. It has no maintenance, having been functionally stabilized for many years. If there are

Re: DFHSM QUESTION - PROBLEM PARTIAL/MARFULL

2007-12-14 Thread willie bunter
Rick, Thanks for the explanation. If I understand correctly there is nothing that can be done? I am stuck with another problem because DFHSM requests a tape mount (COPY2) which is our offsite copy. So far, I let the request expire. Is there any way around this? Adams, Rick [EMAIL

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread John P Kalinich
Timothy Sipples of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 12/14/2007 12:11:48 AM: Peter Hunkeler writes: Isn't it about time for one more name change since z/OS is approaching release 10? Any nominations? :-) z/MVS for nostalgic reasons. Regards, John K

Re: Q(HSM):Remove alternative/original backup/migration volume

2007-12-14 Thread Adams, Rick
Victor, If you issue a TAPEREPL command the alternate volume will become the primary volume and the original primary volume will be deleted. ThanksRick -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Victor Zhang Sent: Thursday,

Re: CA SMF Director

2007-12-14 Thread Shelaga, William
I looking into the best way to implement this product across multiple CEC's/LPARS. Do I need to have it running on all LPARS or can I run it on one and send the SMF data to it? Bill Shelaga Mainframe,Technical Specialist The contents of this communication, including any attachment(s), are

Re: VTOC size

2007-12-14 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
Mark, If you're combining 3390-3 volumes, check to see how much of the VTOC is used on the mod 3's that you're combining using ISPF 3.4. Not that a cylinder or 2 is much space on a mod 9, but all of the mod 9's that I have here except my ML1 volumes are defined with 74 tracks for the VTOC and

z390 Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest - Update #5

2007-12-14 Thread Don Higgins
All Update #5 - All z390 mainframe assembler coding contest solutions have been reformatted using new ZMFACC macro for portability across multiple OS and new problem and solution submission email methods. The source and generated log files for each of the ranked solutions are now directly

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Brock Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The future of PDSs Instead of z/BASIC, it should be z/PLAIN. Jon As in Boss! z/PLAIN,

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Peter Hunkeler writes: Isn't it about time for one more name change since z/OS is approaching release 10? Any nominations? :-) Computer should last through the Star Trek era -jc-

Re: CA SMF Director

2007-12-14 Thread Livingston, Michael D
Hi Bill and Paul (and everyone else on the list!) I'm the lead developer on CA SMF Director. If you have any specific questions about the product I'll be happy to answer them, either on the list or off-list. Mike Livingston Senior Software Engineer CA -Original Message- From: IBM

Re: Virtual Storage Controls - Was Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-14 Thread Martin Packer
Right I NEVER claimed to be in Development. Most people recognise the self-evidence of that statement. :-) John Eells wrote: I hate to make this my last post before the holidays, so I suppose I'll have to find something else to post about later today. But celebration for this

Re: VTOC size

2007-12-14 Thread Mark Pace
If you're combining 3390-3 volumes, check to see how much of the VTOC is used on the mod 3's that you're combining using ISPF 3.4. Not that a cylinder or 2 is much space on a mod 9, but all of the mod 9's that I have here except my ML1 volumes are defined with 74 tracks for the VTOC and 15

Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest

2007-12-14 Thread Phil Payne
Not my day. The 404 is fixed. And after slagging off the Vole, I just got this from a Microsoft spokesperson: We believe Platform Solutions, Inc. is uniquely positioned to bridge the gap between legacy mainframe computing and 21st century server technology in today's enterprise environment.

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread Rajesh Dharia
Peter Hunkeler writes: Isn't it about time for one more name change since z/OS is approaching release 10? Any nominations? :-) z/MVS for nostalgic reasons. Regards, John K That sounds good and I'll vote for that. warm regards, Raj

Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-14 Thread Patrick Falcone
Interesting concept Shane. :-) Add storage controls along with CPU Crit. to WLM and we'll have a hybrid WLM/IPS/ICS. Maybe we can call it WIPS. Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just make storage a WLM managed resource. Then we (customers) can set our own goals, and (resource) cap if necessary,

Re: User error causes most z/OS production job failures

2007-12-14 Thread Paul Gillis
What would it take for everyone to use it? Cheers, Clement Clarke G'day Clem, To get a site on board for anything like JOL, takes a significant push from management and they like to see up to date and maintainable software that they do not have to look after themselves. My primary

Re: CA SMF Director

2007-12-14 Thread Ron Wells
Tad off subject... Anyone look at the smf logger facility or try using it yet?? pro's/con's or what to watch for would be helpful .. -- Email Disclaimer This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the

Pipeline and Branch Prediction (Was: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest)

2007-12-14 Thread Edward Jaffe
Art Celestini wrote: Much of what I was talking about is described here: http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/rd/446/webb.html although even this paper is somewhat dated by now. Art, I suggest you take a look at http://researchweb.watson.ibm.com/journal/rd/483/slegel.html. Nearly all of

Re: DFHSM QUESTION - PROBLEM PARTIAL/MARFULL

2007-12-14 Thread Adams, Rick
Willie, This is straight out of the manual for the SETSYS PARTIALTAPE command: DFSMShsm automatically marks a single-file-formatted tape volume full (except after data set migration or data set backup)independent of the block count when it demounts the tape. These volumes can be marked as full

Re: Codepages

2007-12-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/01/2007 at 07:18 AM, Steve Comstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: There are 13 EBCDIC characters that vary across EBCDIC character map codepages but that must always be defined when using locale settings; ITYM ¬ rather than ^; certainly ¬, ¢ and £ are all

Re: VTOC size

2007-12-14 Thread Shedlock, George
Another point to consider is the size of the VVDS if the volume is to be managed by SMS. George Shedlock Jr AEGON Information Technology AEGON USA 502-560-3541 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Friday, December

Re: Virtual Storage Controls - Was Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-14 Thread John Eells
Steven Conway wrote: I agree with CC that having jobs blow due to limited storage is archaic. John's suggestion of a warn mode is outstanding. And, it's heartening for Martin to tell us people within IBM are looking at this issue. snip I hate to make this my last post before the holidays, so

Re: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest

2007-12-14 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Art Celestini Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:49 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest Much of what I was talking about is described here:

Re: Rexx Alternate Library

2007-12-14 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pinnacle [ snip ] The Rexx Alternate Library is not SMP/E installable. While the standalone Web deliverable is not SMP/E-installable, the REXX Alternate Library does have its own FMID, and if acquired with another

Re: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest

2007-12-14 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Art Celestini Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 9:49 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest Much of what I was talking about is described here:

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread David Andrews
On Thu, 2007-12-13 at 19:51 -0600, Ed Gould wrote: On Dec 13, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Bob Shannon wrote: Refer to the PDS Pain white paper for what's wrong with PDSs Can you give us an idea where we might find it? Dave Crow presented the PDSPAIN White Paper at session O232 of SHARE 70 (Anaheim,

Re: DFHSM QUESTION - PROBLEM PARTIAL/MARFULL

2007-12-14 Thread Adams, Rick
Willie, You can run a LIST TTOC SELECT(ML2 NOTFULL) ODS(your.output.dataset) This will list all of the PARTIAL volumes. You can then issue a DELVOL volser MIGRATION(MARKFULL) This will make them full to HSM and it will not need to call the secondary copy that is offsite. I would do this

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Kelman, Tom How about something simple like HAL ala 2001: A Space Odyssey. Probably not available (in the US) for 50 years plus Arthur C. Clarke's remaining lifetime, due to copyright -jc-

Re: CA SMF Director

2007-12-14 Thread Livingston, Michael D
Hi Bill, CA SMF Director can be set up either way, although it is best to have the automated dumping feature active on all LPARs. Please keep in mind that if the Control Data Set (SCDS) is going to be shared among LPARs, that all of the LPARs must be in the same GRS scheme. There are ways

Re: Codepages

2007-12-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/01/2007 at 06:19 PM, Patrick O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The above reduces the likelyhood of Of course those character string lines may or may not display as you intended Only if the viewer is not

Re: Pipeline and Branch Prediction (Was: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest)

2007-12-14 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:04:50 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: BC/BRC-type are statically predicted not-taken (except if the mask is 'F'x), BCT, BXLE, and BXH-type are statically guessed taken. For BC/BRC-type this is correct about 55% of the time for most code and BCT/BXLE-type are correct 90+% of the

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread Rick Fochtman
---snip-- For me, it's Friday morning. I haven't slept well due to a restless dog. And I'm insane. --unsnip- Aren't we ALL just a little insane? Look what we're doing for a living, what with these dead systems? :-) ---

Re: Virtual Storage Controls - Was Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-14 Thread Rick Fochtman
John Eells wrote: Steven Conway wrote: I agree with CC that having jobs blow due to limited storage is archaic. John's suggestion of a warn mode is outstanding. And, it's heartening for Martin to tell us people within IBM are looking at this issue. snip I hate to make this my last post

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip Why the UNPRINTABLE should services for what should be a basic data set type NOT be in the Nucleus? -unsnip--- That all depends on how large you want NIP and the nucleus to be. Personally, I'd rather not

basic sysplex information?

2007-12-14 Thread McKown, John
Is there anywhere to read up on setting up a BASIC sysplex (not a Parallel Sysplex)? Looks like the cost of the CFL has destroyed our likelihood of implementing a parallel sysplex. IIRC, a basic sysplex only requires CTCs, which I already have. What I really would like to know is what will I be

Re: DFHSM QUESTION - PROBLEM PARTIAL/MARFULL

2007-12-14 Thread willie bunter
Thanks Rick for your help. Adams, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Willie, You can run a LIST TTOC SELECT(ML2 NOTFULL) ODS(your.output.dataset) This will list all of the PARTIAL volumes. You can then issue a DELVOL volser MIGRATION(MARKFULL) This will make them full to HSM and it will not

Re: basic sysplex information?

2007-12-14 Thread Staller, Allan
snip What I really would like to know is what will I be missing in the basic sysplex that exists in the parallel sysplex. /snip GRS Star Enhanced Catalog Sharing Probably others I can't recall off hand... HTH, -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread Jon Brock
No, they denied it. See here: http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/faq/index.html#slot7 Jon snip I don't know if it was a dig, but Arthur C. Clark and Stanley Kubrek did admit HAL was based on IBM's name. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread Ted MacNEIL
- Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at

Re: SDUMPX / IPCS / DATASPACE - missing data

2007-12-14 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 12/13/2007 03:53:12 PM: I have an SRB application that issued an SDUMPX macro (in AR mode). It specifies a particular dataspace token with a single range, starting address of X?? and ending range of X?7FFF?. The

Re: VTOC size

2007-12-14 Thread Rick Fochtman
-snip--- I'm about to start migrating from 3390-3 to 3390-9 and I'm concerned about VTOC and index sizes. Currently I am allocating 7 cyl VTOC and 3 cyl Index. I come from a VSE background where it was pretty easy to determine the size you needed,

Re: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest

2007-12-14 Thread Rick Fochtman
Tom Marchant wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:13:09 -0800, Tom Simons wrote: Here's 8 instructions to translate 8 bits to 8 chars of 1's or 0's: LAR3,8 ICR5,INBYTE SLL R5,24 LOOP SLL R4,3 SLDL R4,1 BCT R3,LOOP STR4,OUTCHAR

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread Corneel Booysen
So I wonder if it is true that the original name of HAL was really a dig at IBM. (As in each letter of the name is one place higher alphabetically than the letters in IBM. Remember the evil computer killed all the people... Never mind me - I did not sleep either :-) -Original Message-

Re: Pipeline and Branch Prediction (Was: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest)

2007-12-14 Thread Edward Jaffe
Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:04:50 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: BC/BRC-type are statically predicted not-taken (except if the mask is 'F'x), BCT, BXLE, and BXH-type are statically guessed taken. For BC/BRC-type this is correct about 55% of the time for most code and

Re: Pipeline and Branch Prediction (Was: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest)

2007-12-14 Thread Art Celestini
Thanks, Ed. I seemed to remember that there was a later version of the microprocessor discussion, I just couldn't find it quickly. The problem is that things can change in subtile ways from one processor generation to the next. I've therefore adopted a general KISS approach -- within

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread Ted MacNEIL
So I wonder if it is true that the original name of HAL was really a dig at IBM. (Sorry about the previous [blank] post) I don't know if it was a dig, but Arthur C. Clark and Stanley Kubrek did admit HAL was based on IBM's name. - Too busy driving to stop for gas!

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread Ed Gould
On Dec 14, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Kelman, Tom wrote: How about something simple like HAL ala 2001: A Space Odyssey. Tom Kelman Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 Tom: An idea but I think it won't get past the PR people as HAL turned out to be not so good. Ed

Re: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest

2007-12-14 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Tom Marchant wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:13:09 -0800, Tom Simons wrote: Here's 8 instructions to translate 8 bits to 8 chars of 1's or 0's: LAR3,8 ICR5,INBYTE

Re: Pipeline and Branch Prediction (Was: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest)

2007-12-14 Thread Edward Jaffe
Art Celestini wrote: Another interesting example, as discussed earlier, is LHI vs. LA. It too, has the condition code consideration. However, consider the use of LA in the following arithmetic (non-address) situation: LA R1,789(R2,R3) To do this without LA would take something like:

Re: Real storage usage - a quick question

2007-12-14 Thread Knutson, Sam
To follow-up on the case here when a DB2 DBA accidently overcommitted storage to DB2 an APAR PK58272 is now open against DB2 to provide a WTO message that can be automated to notify and escalate if a DBA does this and gets the message DSNB542I. PK58272 MAKE DSNB542I A WTO MESSAGE, SO THAT THE

Re: basic sysplex information?

2007-12-14 Thread Matthew Stitt
You really do not need a CFL engine. A regular CP will work. And I am sure you can now set the CF up to utilize the CP only when it has work to do. This is the way I run my CF, but I have not tried the dynamic CP usage part yet. For a basic sysplex, all you really need are the PATHIN and

Re: basic sysplex information?

2007-12-14 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Stitt Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 2:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: basic sysplex information? You really do not need a CFL engine. A regular CP will work.

Re: Virtual Storage Controls - Was Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-14 Thread Knutson, Sam
Amen! My IEFUSI (not yet updated for storage above the bar reasonably large defaults are provided through SMFPRM00) makes REGION a binary switch. You either get my generous defaults or you code REGION=0M and we give you everything can less a buffer for recovery.REGION ABEND's are a waste of

Re: SDUMPX / IPCS / DATASPACE - missing data

2007-12-14 Thread Todd Burch
Go to IPCS panel option 4 (Inventory), and put LD in the AC column for your dump of interest. In the ListDump output, find the ranges for the dataspace of interest, and see if the 01823000 page is included in a range. If so, then the problem probably lies in IPCS. If not, the problem

Way, way O.T. (was: future of PDSs)

2007-12-14 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:32:09 -0600, Rick Fochtman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... --- We know the speed of light; what's the speed of dark? A bit slower than it was. Terry Pratchett has been diagnosed with early onset Alzheimer's. All 8 shades of black are about to get a lot slower. Pat

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread Kelman, Tom
Well, I couldn't get to that site. I got a cannot display message. However, the official Kubrickfilms/Warnerbros site here http://kubrickfilms.warnerbros.com/video_detail/2001/ verifies that in their FAQ section saying this. What do the letters HAL stand for? HAL stands for Heuristically

Re: Virtual Storage Controls - Was Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-14 Thread Michael Poil
I disagree with CC. If a vendor can't tell me how much storage is needed, I get VERY LEERY. I can't afford (when I'm working, at least) to have a storage hog that might adversely affect performance of my entire image. Not only do I have to be concerned about storage creep in programs, my

Re: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest

2007-12-14 Thread Rick Fochtman
Chase, John wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Tom Marchant wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:13:09 -0800, Tom Simons wrote: Here's 8 instructions to translate 8 bits to 8 chars of 1's or 0's: LAR3,8 IC

Re: VTOC size

2007-12-14 Thread Ed Gould
On Dec 14, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Rick Fochtman wrote: -SNIP- -unsnip- That's a lot like asking How high is the sky? Much depends on the number of datasets you envision on the volume. I always chose the most heavily used

Re: Virtual Storage Controls - Was Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-14 Thread Patrick Falcone
I would agree with you Mike. In our case, and this was single instance WebSphere, I was unable to do any precise predetermination of storage requirements prior to implementation. We had IBM WAS, vendor software and CTG. Not that CTG was going to kill us from a requirements viewpoint. Before I

Re: basic sysplex information?

2007-12-14 Thread Shane
On Fri, 2007-12-14 at 12:43 -0600, McKown, John wrote: Is there anywhere to read up on setting up a BASIC sysplex (not a Parallel Sysplex)? Looks like the cost of the CFL has destroyed our likelihood of implementing a parallel sysplex. IIRC, a basic sysplex only requires CTCs, which I already

Re: Pipeline and Branch Prediction (Was: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest)

2007-12-14 Thread Edward Jaffe
Oops! In re-reading this, I see an error. :-[ I wrote: The BTB keeps only those branches _predicted to be_ taken ... This should say, The BTB keeps only those branches _actually_ taken ... -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA

EXCP issues

2007-12-14 Thread Tom Quarendon
I'm writing some code to do random access file I/O using EXCP and generally all is going well, but I have a couple of issues. I'm managing the dcbfdad field of the DCB as I write the dataset, but the ISPF dialogs always report that the dataset space utilisation is 0. Allocation reports OK,

Re: CA SMF Director

2007-12-14 Thread Lance Kopplin
I tested SMF Logstream during ESP and would describe it: PROs: 1. Eliminates a lot of fiddle-faddle with getting MAN datasets sized and dumped. 2. Will write to multiple logstreams, so interesting data can be isolated and/or Duplicated into its own logstream. 3. The

Re: basic sysplex information?

2007-12-14 Thread Ted MacNEIL
I think I found an old Setting up a Sysplex handy - from before it went parallel-centric; maybe 2.10-ish, early z/OS. I think it was earlier than that. We set up our first parallel SYSPLEX in October 1994, using that manual as a 'bible'. If basic was in it, I don't remember seeing that. And,

Re: basic sysplex information?

2007-12-14 Thread Ernie Takeuchi
John, You can look at an old informational apar II10372 in setting up your basic sysplex. There are advantages and disadvantages to both. A parallel sysplex will definitely take the load off of your other lpars by loading the LOGR structure in memory. You also have the ability to run true

Re: EXCP issues

2007-12-14 Thread Art Celestini
I'm sure Bruce Black would have know this off the top of his head. (RIP, Bruce.) Off the top of mine, IIRC, DCBFDAD needs to be set to your high water mark when you close your DCB after writing. CLOSE will see that the relative disk address (TTR) then makes it into DS1LSTAR in the VTOC. You

Re: Pipeline and Branch Prediction (Was: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest)

2007-12-14 Thread Tony Harminc
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:48:08 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: Please see David Bond's excellent presentation from SHARE 107 in Baltimore entitled, Session 8192: Coding Assembler for Performance. http://shareew.prod.web.sba.com/client_files/callpapers/attach/SHARE_in_Baltimore/S8192DB073718.pdf What

Re: Pipeline and Branch Prediction (Was: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest)

2007-12-14 Thread Edward Jaffe
Tony Harminc wrote: On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:48:08 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: Please see David Bond's excellent presentation from SHARE 107 in Baltimore entitled, Session 8192: Coding Assembler for Performance.

Re: CTCA Device Question Under Hercules

2007-12-14 Thread Ken Gunther
There is a Hercules discussion group on Yahoo (www.yahoogroups.com). There are some of the developers on that group. Ken G. Sergio Lima wrote: Hello List, Normally, my questions put here, have a fast response. About my question, I imagine, that here is not a

Re: Virtual Storage Controls - Was Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-14 Thread Ed Gould
On Dec 14, 2007, at 2:40 PM, Michael Poil wrote: SNIP--- Sometimes it is impossible to do that as is the case with Java. The amount of storage used within the JVM has a static component based on user definitions, but after that it is a function of what the Java

Re: Virtual Storage Controls - Was Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-14 Thread Edward Jaffe
Ed Gould wrote: To me this comes down to the difference between the PC world and the mainframe. Exactly! Mainframe resource allocation policies were established in a world in which computer resources were scarce and _extremely_ expensive! A paradigm shift is needed! -- Edward E Jaffe

Re: Virtual Storage Controls - Was Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-14 Thread Craddock, Chris
Rick says I disagree with CC. If a vendor can't tell me how much storage is needed, I get VERY LEERY. I can't afford (when I'm working, at least) to have a storage hog that might adversely affect performance of my entire image. Not only do I have to be concerned about storage creep in

RBOPSW31

2007-12-14 Thread Paul Schuster
Did the meaning of this bit change recently? I used to be able to detect an AMODE 24 program by the absence of this bit being on, but now in a z/os 1.9 system (and maybe earlier) I see an AMODE 24 program with the RBOPSW31 bit on. Thank you. Paul

Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-14 Thread Craddock, Chris
Jim says Well, I type too slowly to do much flaming. And of course, I am willing to discuss this in great detail any time you come to Poughkeepsie and take me out for a beer. You're so shallow :-) But I'll buy you a beer anyway. However, I am at somewhat of a loss to figure out how an

Re: RBOPSW31

2007-12-14 Thread Edward Jaffe
Paul Schuster wrote: Did the meaning of this bit change recently? I used to be able to detect an AMODE 24 program by the absence of this bit being on, but now in a z/os 1.9 system (and maybe earlier) I see an AMODE 24 program with the RBOPSW31 bit on. The meaning of RBOPSW31 has not

Re: Virtual Storage Controls - Was Re: REGION=0M and LSQA

2007-12-14 Thread Patrick O'Keefe
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:49:28 -0500, Craddock, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I don't mind that you disagree with me Rick, but if you're expecting vendors (or anyone else) to provide reliable and detailed storage estimates you're going to be permanently disappointed. I've been disappointed

Re: Mainframe Assembler Coding Contest

2007-12-14 Thread Gil, Victor x28091
Tom, I liked your solution. Truly ingenious! It might get just a bit shorter by using ICM instead of the IC+SLL: ICM R5,B'1000',INBYTE -Victor- Date:Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:13:09 -0800 From:Tom Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread Howard Brazee
On 14 Dec 2007 09:32:53 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rick Fochtman) wrote: We know the speed of light; what's the speed of dark? A Nebula award winning novel with an autistic hero - written by a space opera writer with an autistic son.

Re: The future of PDSs

2007-12-14 Thread Howard Brazee
On 14 Dec 2007 09:50:22 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Corneel Booysen) wrote: So I wonder if it is true that the original name of HAL was really a dig at IBM. (As in each letter of the name is one place higher alphabetically than the letters in IBM. Remember the evil computer killed all the people...

Re: PR: Bunch of IBM Software Announcements This Week

2007-12-14 Thread Timothy Sipples
I wrote: So it is! I spoke too soon then. Congratulations, Apple and Mac OS X: you beat z/OS by 7 days it appears. :-) and it appears Apple didn't. The update is called Java for Mac OS X 10.4, Release 6. It's available here:

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