Itschak Mugzach writes:
I was asked by a customer if there is a standard IBM
mainframe power switch lock. I checked and there is no
such lock. I wonder how do you protect your mainframe
power switches other then access control to the computer
room.
IBM does have a solution (and this is not
Timoty,
I don't think that the customer get it as n emergency power switch, but as a
physical risk. You are right about the regulations, they are applied here as
well.
Itschak
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Everything is working as designed. SPACPRIM is reducing the primary
allocation and re-driving the allocation request. I think STOPX37 has
parameters that say something along the lines reduce it by 10% to a minimum
of 20%. The primary space can be satisfied with the largest 5 extents on one
volume.
Hello all:
After reading up on Extended Addressability Guide ,I am confused on
ASN resue issue. According to the book,if address space owns a spaces
switch ET and connect it to the system lx,then this address space's ASID is
not reusable for the duration of IPL. This is because other
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:52:15 -0500, Ron Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
any examples someone may have on the commands issued fro z/os to
Windows-XP to mount a file..or from Windows to z/OS...running z/os1.9
Ron,
I looked up my JCL library and found this example from April 2005. I only ever
I understand.
This question may be one of those occasions requiring some careful but
simple explanation. Ultimately any customer is free to disregard your good
advice and take responsibility for whatever they do. But if the law or a
regulation (such as a fire code) says there has to be a single
Hi
Already checked the archives, but didn't find a way to migrate dataset's
with DSORG=NONE
(In my case this datasets's are not SMS managed )
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Hello list,
from the z/OS 1.10 Migration Guide, summary of changes:
Approximately 90 migration actions were deleted because they applied
to migrations from z/OS V1R7, and that release is not supported for migration
to z/OS V1R10.
Having still z/OS 1.7, I was not amused to read that sentence.
Having still z/OS 1.7, I was not amused to read that sentence.
I used to know the ROT '+3' for coexistence and fallback, does anyone on the
list can explain why IBM
did change that ??
Walter,
According to this table z/OS 1.5 was the last release.
John
Not understanding why you still have a problem after all the suggestions you
have had!
Here is the precise solution for you according to the reference given by Bob
Rutledge.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
Walter Marguccio wrote:
I used to know the ROT '+3' for coexistence and fallback, does anyone on the list can explain why IBM
did change that ??
When z/OS switched to annual releases, the old N+3 coexistence rule,
first implemented with OS/390, became much simpler: Any supported
release
Howard, look in the PROC itself - just do a F IMAGE. Because it's on
your PROC statement, it must exist within the PROC.
Cheers,,,Steve
Steve Conway
Lead Systems Programmer
Information Systems Services Division
Computer Network Operations
Phone: (703) 450-3156
Fax:(703) 450-3197
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From: Faber, Hermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Walter,
According to this table z/OS 1.5 was the last release.
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/support/zos_cmf.html
Hermann,
maybe I didn't make myself clear. I *am* at z/OS 1.7 level and I thought I could
migrate to
- Original Message
From: Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Any supported release will now coexist with any other supported release.
Which means, since z/OS 1.7 won't be supported anymore from September 30th,
2008,
it cannot coexist with z/OS 1.10 either ?
Walter Marguccio
z/OS Systems
Walter,
You are correct; you cannot perform a supported migration from 1.7 to 1.10.
Several years ago, IBM changed over to having three supported releases at any
given time and only supporting upgrades on supported releases. So, 1.7 goes
out of support on September 20, 2008, when 1.10 becomes
maybe I didn't make myself clear. I *am* at z/OS 1.7 level and I thought I
could migrate to z/OS 1.10 (+3 rule). According to the z/OS 1.10 migration
books, it seems I can't.
No, you can't.
I guess you missed the memo.
When IBM changed to annual releases, they also changed the rule of
Into proc SY065X there is no IMAGE
2008/8/5, Howard Rifkind [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I'm doing the following as shown below and receiving the following errors
yet as far as I can see this should be o.k.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks
2 //JST0010 EXEC PROC=SY065X,
//
Walter Marguccio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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- Original Message
From: Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Any supported release will now coexist with any other supported
release.
Which means, since z/OS 1.7 won't be supported anymore from September
- Original Message
From: Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, you can't. I guess you missed the memo.
All right mates,
I must have missed that memo.
Thanks to all of you for confirming this. I have to order z/OS 1.9 now.
Walter Marguccio
z/OS Systems Programmer
Munich - Germany
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Harper
[ snip ]
Reading something like this makes one wonder about the
veracity of all news reported.
I tend to question the competence and honesty of the quoted source(s)
rather than the reporter(s). And
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Don Leahy
[ snip ]
Here is a (paraphrased) excerpt from a document at a site that I know:
The old system is written in several different programming
languages and runs on incompatible platforms and operating
Thanks Dave---will give this a shot
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:35 AM, Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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[ snip ]
Here is a (paraphrased) excerpt from a document at a site that I know:
The old system is written in several different
John,
It is true that California is in a bind, however, I hardly think that it
is appropriate for state employees to essentially make a loan to the
state government with the implied threat of if they don't, their jobs
may be terminated. This has happened many times before, with various
solutions,
[snip]
But according to professional BS-ers, COBOL, IMS and DB2 are three
different programming languages.
-jc-
Yeah, and the old system uses JCL so you can add that to the list of
programming languages too. :-)
Well, in a sense, JCL is a programming language. It is, supposedly,
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Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:11 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Politics - California state computers can't
handle pay cut, controller says - sacbee.com
John,
On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:41:33 -0400, Knutson, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Contact BMC for assistance. If you are willing to forego STOPX37
assistance entirely in CONNECT:Direct add this DD to whatever address
space is doing the allocation.
//X37IGNDD DUMMY THIS TURNS OFF STOP X-37
Agree.
McKown, John wrote:
Where would they get the money to pay you? CA is apparently in a bind
right now.
The State of CA has had a 39% revenue *increase* since Arnold took
office. How could they be in a bind? They spend money like drunken
sailors. Even less responsibly. At least drunken
Walter Marguccio wrote:
- Original Message
From: Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Any supported release will now coexist with any other supported release.
Which means, since z/OS 1.7 won't be supported anymore from September 30th, 2008,
it cannot coexist with z/OS 1.10
On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 01:01:49 +, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe your proclib has gone into extents?
It has nothing to do with extents, in my understanding.
It could. But JES2 detects that via I/O error and closes / reopens the
concatenation for all converter tasks.
To the OP:
On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 05:19:51 -0700, Walter Marguccio
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, you can't. I guess you missed the memo.
All right mates,
I must have missed that memo.
Thanks to all of you for confirming this. I have to order
You can find the nomail flag in the LWA. TSO General Info indicates the LWA
would be formatted by the IPCS VERBX TSODATA command, but I don't see it
there. ASXBLWA (offset +14x) points to the LWA. ASCBASXB (offset +6Cx)
points to the ASXB.
You can use the LOGON command from a TSO prompt
I like David Farber's (of course impolitic) 'vacuum tubes' analogy.
From this morning's New York Times:
But the California controller, John Chiang, says the state’s payroll system —
which uses a programming throwback known as Cobol, or Common Business-Oriented
Language — is so antiquated it
Any one have info on current Lotus Notes on Linux...and about the Client
on the PC to be Java based so no install is required on the PC??
or
is this just rumor...
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Mr. Farber is an idiot.
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:50 AM, john gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like David Farber's (of course impolitic) 'vacuum tubes' analogy.
From this morning's New York Times:
But the California controller, John Chiang, says the state's payroll system
— which uses a
I've used the Lotus Notes v8 client for Linux on a SLED 9 PC. It works
well.
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Ron Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Any one have info on current Lotus Notes on Linux...and about the Client
on the PC to be Java based so no install is required on the PC??
or
is
My posting of Farber's comments on COBOL was of course a provocation, and he
was certainly guilty of hyperbole: I personally know a number of unretired
COBOL programmers.
That conceded, Farber is not at idiot. Carnegie-Mellon has procedures in place
to ensure that no idiot becomes a full
I'm using Notes on Red Hat now
Alan Brown
IBM Software Group
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Subject:
Re: Lotus Notes
Any one have info on current Lotus Notes on Linux...and about the Client
on the PC to be Java based so no install is
++David J. Farber, a computer science professor at Carnegie Mellon
University, said using Cobol was roughly ++equivalent to having “a
television with vacuum tubes.”
Mr Farber was probably teaching Pascal ( a widely used business programming
language) when the rest of were in the trenches and
In a message dated 8/5/2008 3:52:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The Bee laid off their technology reporter - I heard they are having budget
hard times. No wonder considering that they do such a poor job at tso many
things.
During the year that I lived in the
quote
The massive pay cut would exhaust the state's antiquated payroll system,
which is built on a Vietnam-era computer language so outdated that many
college students don't even bother to learn it anymore.
Being in Government for 40 years I have never heard of any government
payroll system, no
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of john gilmore
I like David Farber's (of course impolitic) 'vacuum tubes' analogy.
From this morning's New York Times:
But the California controller, John Chiang, says the state's
payroll system - which uses a
And people wonder why the Education system in this country is a mess? With
idiots like teaching no wonder. All the COBOL programmers retired
centuries ago yet there are still (some) schools teaching COBOL. I guess
mathematics and logic are no longer required to become a Computer Science
On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:05:05 -0400, Joe Aulph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
++David J. Farber, a computer science professor at Carnegie Mellon
University, said using Cobol was roughly ++equivalent to having âa
television with vacuum tubes.â
Mr Farber was probably teaching Pascal ( a widely used
In a message dated 8/6/2008 9:16:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
so bad that my colleagues and I renamed it the SuckBee. Apparently it
continues on doing a poor job at nearly everything.
I lived in Alameda for about eight years and finally settled on the San
In a message dated 8/5/2008 4:34:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Additionally, the payroll system is completely table-driven, for taxes
and salaries, so this change should only take a short while to
accomplish, not the six months asserted by controller John
As there is no program without bugs, there is no procedure that is
foolproof. Even so, Mr Farber could be a late bloomer.
I'm no professor of anything, just a worker bee like most of us. But,
after a decade or two, it becomes painfully obvious that the programming
language is almost irrelevant.
I think the New York Times reporter (and editor?) was probably not
familiar with the reputation of the person he was interviewing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_J._Farber
Regards
Greg Shirey
Ben E. Keith Co.
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of
There is a common saying, those who do, do; those who can't,
teach.
I've worked in an academic environment for 21 years (this hitch)
Len Rugen
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But in
practice, there is.
- Yogi Berra
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Alan
You still need client installed on PC??
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Good Morning Gentle Readers,
I am encounter the following error message when creating gdg G1000V00. The dsn
is created succesfully. My question is what can I do so as not to received
this error message? Do I need to manually create g0001v00 and start again?
IGD07001I GDG ROLL IN ERROR -
For those who might be interested in letting Mr. Farber know what you think
of his comments, his e-mail address is dfarber at cmu.edu.
Wayne Driscoll
Product Developer
NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own.
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Wayne Driscoll wrote:
For those who might be interested in letting Mr. Farber know what you think
of his comments, his e-mail address is dfarber at cmu.edu.
Wayne Driscoll
Product Developer
NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own.
Hmmm. Someone else posted [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Where lies
I found both, the cmu.edu is from the main CMU faculty page, and the
farber.net address is from the computer science college web site. Like many
of us, I am sure that he has even more addresses.
Wayne Driscoll
Product Developer
NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own.
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Hi,
I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS.
Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this?
Bill
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john gilmore wrote:
There are no Cobol programmers around anymore, Mr. Farber said. They retired
centuries ago.
COBOL was invented less than a century ago. And, millions of new lines
of COBOL code are written every year.
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ISAM.
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Of William Hecox
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:27 AM
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Subject: Datasets with KEYs
Hi,
I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS.
Chase, John wrote:
Apparently the required/desired changes involve significantly more than
just the numbers.
That's what they want everyone to think. Their system seems quite
capable of handling big fat pay raises every year. Why not pay
decreases? And, what has COBOL got to do with it?
Not anymore...
IBM plans to take the following actions effective with z/OS V1.7:
Support for ISAM data sets will be withdrawn. When this support is
withdrawn, you will no longer be able to process ISAM data sets other
than to delete them. The ISAM Compatibility Interface will remain
available
You could check the migration actions from 1.7 to 1.9, then those for
1.9 to 1.10. That might let you go directly from 1.7 to 1.10, even
though it wouldn't technically be supported.
Don Imbriale
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In a message dated 8/6/2008 10:36:19 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ISAM.
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Depending on what you are trying to achieve there may be a couple of
options.
1. ISPF tables
2. There is a standard API available through C/C++
Look at dbm_* api - (dbm_open,dbm_store,dbm_firstkey, etc) it implements
keyed access in flat files.
Eric
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William Hecox wrote:
Hi,
I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS.
Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this?
Bill
Only supported access method for non-VSAM data sets with keys
is BDAM, and you have to write your own code.
Kind regards,
-Steve Comstock
William Hecox wrote:
Hi,
I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS.
Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this?
Bill
Only supported access method for non-VSAM data sets with keys
is BDAM, and you have to write your own code.
Although Eric Spencer just replied
Having suggested ISAM, tongue in cheek, I should submit a serious proposal.
Depending on the needs of your resulting application (maybe it's all batch
??) , any sequential disk file can have keys in a logical sense if you can
exploit the features of DF/SORT and its SPLICE capability.
Is there a
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 05:09:04 +, ben lam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have to write a program that lists the csects of a program object and
their properties, such as size, address, etc. Is there something I can use
on the cbt tape?
LISTIDR, FILE # 316?
Rafa.
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Chase, John wrote:
Apparently the required/desired
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Hi,
I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS.
Miklos,
DFHSM does not migrate datasets with unspecified DSORG. You should be
getting a corresponding ARC... error message.
Question(s): Do these datasets contain data that you can read/write with a
program? If so, what is it?
Or are they just allocated space that was never opened by a program
In a message dated 8/6/2008 10:27:11 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS.
Thinking about your query some more made me realize you didn't give us
enough technical specifications to help you very much.
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Hi,
I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS.
Is there an IBM utility I can use to
Hi
Thank you
Ulrich Krueger wrote:
Miklos,
DFHSM does not migrate datasets with unspecified DSORG. You should be
getting a corresponding ARC... error message.
Question(s): Do these datasets contain data that you can read/write with a
program? If so, what is it?
Or are they just allocated
I'll chime in here. There is a Yahoo Group called TWS_GSE (European
based but active). There is also a US based group called ASAP - you can
visit the website at http://twsuser.org. This is a very active
stateside group - there is also a forum built into the website. Hope
this helps.
And
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There is a common saying, those who do, do; those who can't,
teach.
Government corollary (also applicable to academia):
Those who can, do; those who cannot, teach.
And those who can't teach,
---snip---
And people wonder why the Education system in this country is a mess?
With idiots like teaching no wonder. All the COBOL programmers retired
centuries ago yet there are still (some) schools teaching COBOL. I
guess mathematics and
snip-
As there is no program without bugs, there is no procedure that is
foolproof. Even so, Mr Farber could be a late bloomer.
I'm no professor of anything, just a worker bee like most of us. But,
after a decade or two, it becomes
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman
---snip---
And people wonder why the Education system in this country is a mess?
With idiots like teaching no wonder. All the COBOL
programmers
---snip---
There is a common saying, those who do, do; those who can't, teach.
I've worked in an academic environment for 21 years (this hitch)
-unsnip-
Sort of like when a
I'll chime in here. There is a Yahoo Group called TWS_GSE (European
based but active). There is also a US based group called ASAP - you can
visit the website at http://twsuser.org. This is a very active
stateside group - there is also a forum built into the website. Hope
this helps.
And
NO. BDAM; at least it's got SOME form of support, whereas ISAM has been
dead for about 25 years.
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Tony B. wrote:
ISAM.
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snip
Already checked the archives, but didn't find a way to migrate dataset's
with DSORG=NONE
(In my case this datasets's are not SMS managed )
unsnip
Just create a minimal Dclass for all DSN and HSM will be happy. But if
they're not opened, HSM will migrate them BUT not back them up, so no
Miklos,
The product I mentioned, ProSMS (StopX37), has been around as a vendor
product for many years, even before IBM's DFSMS was born. If you want more
information about it, see BMC MAINVIEW Allocation (that's its current
name). In a big, traditional non-SMS shop, where I have worked, this
At the government agency where I work and at others that I know of, in
Wasington DC and in Baltimore area there are plenty of programmers still
writing COBOL programs
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I need to create and populate a NON-VSAM Dataset that contains KEYS.
Is there an IBM utility I can use to do this?
--unsnip--
If you could supply a bit more
That conceded, Farber is not at idiot.
If not, he makes idiotic comments.
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04:24:17 AM:
After reading up on Extended Addressability Guide ,I am confused
on
ASN resue issue. According to the book,if address space owns a spaces
switch ET and connect it to the system lx,then this address
The same story from the nytimes:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/06/us/06computer.html?_r=1oref=slogin
with a twist:
quote
Even before his remarks to the Legislature, Mr. Chiang, a Democrat, had
made no secret of his dislike for the order by Mr. Schwarzenegger, a
Republican, saying he would
I'm using the client, but there is a web interface as well - I have not
used it other than to see if it worked.
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IBM Software Group
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10:31:58 AM:
That conceded, Farber is not at idiot.
If not, he makes idiotic comments.
Or he was trying to be funny, and the reporter just didn't catch it.
--
Jack Hamilton
Management Information Analysis - Analytic
That conceded, Farber is not at idiot.
If not, he makes idiotic comments.
Or he was trying to be funny, and the reporter just didn't catch it.
I didn't catch it, either.
This kind of comment directly affects my livelihood, when PHB's read, and
believe.
-
Too busy driving to stop for gas!
And here's a new story from the Sacramento Bee:
http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/1135631.html
confirming that this is not a technical issue, but a political posturing
issue.
Tom Harper
IMS Utilities Development Team
Neon Enterprise Software, Inc.
Sugar Land, TX
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From:
.re
I agree 100%. Unfortunately, too many organizations depend on a college
degree, rather than any demonstration of good sense or experience. Any
dummy with a MBA (which really means very little) can get a job in
management of nearly any organization
This reminds me of a contract I did once
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Tom Harper
And here's a new story from the Sacramento Bee:
http://www.sacbee.com/111/story/1135631.html
confirming that this is not a technical issue, but a
political posturing issue.
But we elected those
Well, don't include me in your we. I didn't elect them. I moved to
Texas in 1983.
Tom Harper
IMS Utilities Development Team
NEON Enterprise Software, Inc.
Sugar Land, TX
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Sent:
In other words, you got out in time? Or before it got worse?
g
On Wed Aug 6 13:55 , Tom Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
Well, don't include me in your we. I didn't elect them. I moved to
Texas in 1983.
Tom Harper
IMS Utilities Development Team
NEON Enterprise Software, Inc.
Sugar Land, TX
But we elected those clowns. What does that say about us?
We have to elect somebody!
The best of a bad bunch?
Q: What's the difference between a politician and a prostitute?
A: A politician does it to a million people at the same time.
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Too busy driving to stop for gas!
Well that means this November we have the chance, responsibility, to put in
a new set of clowns.
Yet another strong argument for term limits..
Joe A,
Chase, John
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL
But we elected those clowns. What does that say about us?
We have to elect somebody!
Actually, we don't. There is no _requirement_ to vote in the U.S.
-jc-
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