--- On Fri, 12/4/09, Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com wrote:
--SNIP
As IBM sales suffer, now's the time to buy a new mainframe
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/120409-ibm-mainframe.html
from above ...
But the economy and
In s84gh5derriun3ggjjsnmq3i5evkkm2...@4ax.com, on 12/03/2009
at 12:29 PM, Howard Brazee howard.bra...@cusys.edu said:
Huh? The 1958 Chevy didn't have seatbelts,
By the 1960's lots of cars had seat belts, at least as an option.
And it is no longer though of as odd at all when a car goes a
In 4b1856e3.2050...@ync.net, on 12/03/2009
at 06:25 PM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net said:
I would prefer supplementing sturdy seat belts with dangerous air
bags.
I take it that you don't have children?
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In 4b1823a1.2030...@bremultibank.com.pl, on 12/03/2009
at 09:46 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl said:
I really don't understand why do you insist on improper spelling of
'Andersen' name.
When did *you* become concerned with correct nomenclature?
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Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:31 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system according to
Accenture
SNIP
Subject: Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system according to
Accenture
In s84gh5derriun3ggjjsnmq3i5evkkm2...@4ax.com, on 12/03/2009
at 12:29 PM, Howard Brazee howard.bra...@cusys.edu said:
Huh? The 1958 Chevy didn't have seatbelts,
By the 1960's lots of cars had seat belts, at least
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well.
and for something completely different
As IBM sales suffer, now's the time to buy a new mainframe
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/120409-ibm-mainframe.html
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J.)
In s84gh5derriun3ggjjsnmq3i5evkkm2...@4ax.com, on 12/03/2009
at 12:29 PM, Howard Brazee howard.bra...@cusys.edu said:
And it is no longer though of as odd at all when a car goes a
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Behalf Of Anne Lynn Wheeler
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 11:17 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system according to
Accenture
The following message
In 67991c5ad29f4e83926c6c00a8b5f...@tbabonas, on 12/04/2009
at 11:01 AM, Tony B. tbabo...@comcast.net said:
1972 Chevrolet Vega, 4 cylinder, aluminum block.
Vega? Isn't that the English translation of Renault?
My brand new 1966 Mustang had factory standard seat belts which I
promptly
-snip
I would prefer supplementing sturdy seat belts with dangerous air
bags.
I take it that you don't have children?
---unsnip-
None that I'll admit to. :-) Lifelong
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kgold...@gmail.com (Kim Goldenberg) writes:
According to the Accenture item in Wikipedia, It was once part of
Arthur Andersen. See the article for more information as to how the
name became
jch...@ussco.com (Chase, John) writes:
Hmmm . . . $50,000 in annual salary, and $176,000 in attendance
fees . . ..
What's an attendance fee? Is that anything like the appearance fees
paid to certain famous folks for simply showing up?
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#77
note
At a regional user group recently IBM demo'd their RDz / Endevor plug-in (see
attached Powerpoint). IBM indicated to get to Endevor from RDz install RDz
V7.6 on the host. Config CARMA. Install the Endevor RAM (to configure
Endevor's load module location install Actions). It was also noted that
@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: editting testing COBOL code (was:Now is time for banks to
replace core system according to Accenture)
At a regional user group recently IBM demo'd their RDz / Endevor plug-in
(see
attached Powerpoint). IBM indicated to get to Endevor from RDz install
RDz
V7.6 on the host
Accenture was originally the IT consulting division of Arthur Anderson. That
is why they took the name Anderson Consulting. They then were spun off from
Arthur Anderson as a separate company and took the name Accenture.
Joel Wolpert
Performance and Capacity Planning consultant
WEBSITE:
Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of
Joel Wolpert
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:00 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system according to Accenture
Accenture was originally the IT consulting division of Arthur Anderson
In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea005bde01...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom, on
12/02/2009
at 07:49 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said:
What! You don't fondly remember the joys of running a Stage 1 / Stage 2
sysgen?
Not in 1960.
Or doing an EDT gen by throwing away jobs and steps
In lsbdh5pvk7n0d4t0s4s4js5dgktejre...@4ax.com, on 12/02/2009
at 11:22 AM, Howard Brazee howard.bra...@cusys.edu said:
But we do complain about how complex things have gotten, how we have far
more people working on infrastructure instead of applications, and how
vulnerabilities have increased.
In 4b15bc63.9070...@ync.net, on 12/01/2009
at 07:01 PM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net said:
I wouldn't mind looking back at the good old days, but only for
hysterical purposes. SIO/TIO/HIO are NOT areas I would care to revisit
for any productive purpose. :-)
That was the progressive new
On 3 Dec 2009 10:55:03 -0800, shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz
, Seymour J.) wrote:
This is kind of wishing we could work on our cars the same way as we
worked on the 1958 Chevy.
That's one kind of complaint. Another kind is to wish that they designed
cars to last as long as they used
Joel Wolpert pisze:
Accenture was originally the IT consulting division of Arthur Anderson.
That is why they took the name Anderson Consulting. They then were spun
off from Arthur Anderson as a separate company and took the name Accenture.
Well...
I really don't understand why do you insist
--snip-
I wouldn't mind looking back at the good old days, but only for
hysterical purposes. SIO/TIO/HIO are NOT areas I would care to revisit
for any productive purpose. :-)
That was the progressive new era; the good old
snip---
Are they? They're not designed to the same engineering standards, and in
some cases safety has been compromised in the name of convenience, e.g.,
replacing sturdy seat belts with dangerous air bags.
Chase, John pisze:
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve
SNIPPAGE
I am so glad you brought this up.
Does anyone remember who Accenture was?
Arthur Andersen, IIRC.
No. Former name of Accenture was Andersen Consulting (www.ac.com), not
2009/12/1 McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com:
Does anybody have RDz and use it with COBOL?
I use RDz with PL/1, though I doubt it'd be much different for COBOL.
The main differences (vs. editing in ISPF) are that I do my initial
compiles as local syntax checks until the code is ready
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Subject: Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system
according to Accenture
it does
have is a group of young, eager non-mainframe people and if they can
convince banks to move off of the mainframe, they've got business.
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[mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 6:55 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system
according to Accenture
Mark Yuhas said:
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, Accenture was Arthur Anderson
Consulting. My company contracted with them to assess the status of our
technology and its direction. While it was a foregone conclusion they would
recommend a shift to UNIX, I was totally underwhelmed
/67 was things like ordered arm seek and
lots of algorithm work (it made little difference for os/360 batch
process ... but contributed to handling multiple cms workload).
misc. other posts in this thread:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#67 Now is time for banks to replace core
system
In 52bc4b80912010934w67887d68u6cc96a670a3ac...@mail.gmail.com, on
12/01/2009
at 09:34 AM, Guy Gardoit ggard...@gmail.com said:
Any moron can load Windows,
Any moron can buy a box with windoze preinstalled. Loading it yourself is
another matter.
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On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Martin Kline martin.kl...@yrcw.com wrote:
Wow. I don't recognize your name, but I went through exactly the same
experience with the woefully inexperienced staff from AA. They burned $35M
of the company's money before being booted out the door. Yet, they were
On 02 Dec 09 08:18:10 -0800, Charlie Gibbs cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid
wrote:
This is why I tell people that interactive is a synonym for manual.
It stops a lot of GUI enthusiasts dead in their tracks, at least for
a few seconds.
I'll have to remember that.
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rfocht...@ync.net (Rick Fochtman) writes:
I wouldn't mind looking back at the good old days, but only for
hysterical purposes. SIO/TIO/HIO are NOT areas I would
On 1 Dec 2009 13:59:08 -0800, shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz
, Seymour J.) wrote:
Who is we? I don't believe that I'm the only one one this list to write
that I would never want to go back to the good old days.
I don't know of anybody who wants everything that went with those
days.
On 2 Dec 2009 00:17:46 -0800, r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl (R.S.)
wrote:
Does anyone remember who Accenture was?
Arthur Andersen, IIRC.
No. Former name of Accenture was Andersen Consulting (www.ac.com), not
Arthur Andersen.
It was separate entity lng time before Enron bankrupcy.
If
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Pierre Fichaud pr...@videotron.ca writes:
Most banks have SLAs with acquiring institutions like FirstData,etc as
far as transaction turnaround times
R.S. wrote:
And Andersen Consulting is (was) not Arthur Andersen.
According to the Accenture item in Wikipedia, It was once part of Arthur
Andersen. See the article for more information as to how the name became
Accenture.
KG
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Subject: Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system according to Accenture
Howard Brazee pisze:
On 2 Dec 2009 00:17:46 -0800, r.skoru...@would you snip my
address.com? (R.S.)
wrote:
Does anyone remember who Accenture was?
Arthur Andersen, IIRC.
No. Former name
Depends on where the filler cap and timing chain is. I tried it on a 190d
and it was real messy. Guess if you were careful could pour it down the
dipstick...
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On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:29:42 -0600, Chase, John jch...@ussco.com
wrote:
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
Hardly nonsense. On Win or Mac, when Firefox tells me it
needs an update, I click on Update. A few minutes later,
it tells me
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:10:57 -0600, Mark Zelden mark.zel...@zurichna.com wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:58:23 -0600, John McKown wrote:
CA is adopting this type of process as well with their Mainframe 2.0. I
was at the demo and was impressed.
I saw their demo at SHARE. I was impressed
; the startup also had
this technology called SSL that they wanted to use. the result
is now frequently called electronic commerce.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#68 Now is time for banks to replace core
system according to Accenture
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#75 Now
Howard Brazee pisze:
On 2 Dec 2009 00:17:46 -0800, r.skoru...@would you snip my address.com? (R.S.)
wrote:
Does anyone remember who Accenture was?
Arthur Andersen, IIRC.
No. Former name of Accenture was Andersen Consulting (www.ac.com), not
Arthur Andersen.
It was separate entity lng
/02/2009 03:51 PM
Subject:
Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system according to Accenture
Sent by:
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Howard Brazee pisze:
On 2 Dec 2009 00:17:46 -0800, r.skoru...@would you snip my address.com?
(R.S.)
wrote:
Does anyone remember who
kgold...@gmail.com (Kim Goldenberg) writes:
According to the Accenture item in Wikipedia, It was once part of
Arthur Andersen. See the article for more information as to how the
name became Accenture.
long-winded related reply
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#77
--
40+yrs
-snip--
P.S. Anybody doing any linked-list processing in 64-bit space? Having
trouble comparing link keys to find insertion points.
What kind of problems?
unsnip
staff
to support a mainframe system and/or application. But, what it does
have is a group of young, eager non-mainframe people and if they can
convince banks to move off of the mainframe, they've got business.
unsnip---
Another firm
Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote:
part of the redo of sio/tio/hio for xa (aka 811 for the nov78 date on
the documents) was the enormous pathlengths in mvs ... being able to
redrive queued i/o after completion of previous i/o.
Hmphhh..
In the dept of other possible ways by the hardware to damage
) on mainframes.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#74 Now is time for banks to replace core
system according to Accenture
sio was synchronous all the way out to the device and back ... as the
processors got faster ... the round-trip latency was starting to
represent large number
--- On Wed, 12/2/09, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net wrote:
From: Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net
Subject: Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system according to Accenture
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 5:53 PM
--snip
Kelman, Tom pisze:
Accenture is saying that now might be the time for banks to replace
their core systems and retool to new technology. They don't actually
say it, but it sounds to me like their saying that big banks should get
off the mainframe. comments?
Comment: Their banking system
Guy Gardoit wrote:
What?!? Not sure how'd you define decent but I don't see the point of
this statement at all. ServerPac and SMP/E (not to mention HCD) are
excellent products. If you're trying to compare installing and maintaining
IBM mainframe software to say, Windows, please don't make
] On Behalf Of
Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:04 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system according to Accenture
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:04:44 -0800, Guy Gardoit wrote:
What?!? Not sure how'd you define decent but I don't see
I just believe that's the way CEOs and CIOs will read it. Most of them really
think that the mainframe, especially using z/OS, is old technology even with
the changes that have been put in place.
I really love this board. I post a link to a article about Accenture
recommending that banks
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:36 AM, Ron Hawkins
ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.netwrote:
Gee, I didn't finish High School. Better slit my throat now...
And I dropped out of college, twice, never finished. What's your point?
Sensitive much? Sheesh.
Does anybody have RDz and use it with COBOL? How does it compare to writing
Java in Eclipse or NetBeans? We are an ISPF shop. That means that we do things
the way we did it in the 70s. Basically we:
1) edit COBOL code in ISPF
2) compile in batch
3) if bad compile, goto 1
4) test
5) if bad,
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Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 5:25 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system
according to Accenture
Good meaning
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of P S
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 1:36 AM, Ron Hawkins
ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.netwrote:
Gee, I didn't finish High School. Better slit my throat now...
And I dropped out of college, twice, never finished.
I
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of McKown, John
Does anybody have RDz and use it with COBOL? How does it compare to
writing Java in Eclipse or
NetBeans? We are an ISPF shop. That means that we do things the way we
did it in the 70s. Basically
we:
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Behalf Of McKown, John
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:20 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: editting testing COBOL code (was:Now is time for banks to
replace core system according
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Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:04 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system according to
Accenture
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:04:44 -0800, Guy
On 30 Nov 2009 15:30:42 -0800, mw...@ssfcu.org (Ward, Mike S) wrote:
One thing lacking that exist for Java, Perl, Ruby, and other such
languages is a HUGE support library. CPAN has so much good stuff in it
that writing something like a browser in Perl is simple. Try it in
COBOL.
What COBOL
On 30 Nov 2009 14:28:26 -0800, ibm-m...@frozen.eclipse.co.uk (Roy
Hewitt) wrote:
But what gives the mainframe such a bad name is usually the pile of 40 year
apps
stuck together running on top of it and our resistance to change.. (oh, and
our morbid fascination
with 3270!!) And why did we
On 1 Dec 2009 01:44:52 -0800, r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl (R.S.)
wrote:
Q: Why do you think that new technology means non-mainframe?
I suppose because IBM hasn't done a very good job of marketing itself
to compete with Oracle/Sun/HP/Windows server farms.
Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Ron Hawkins
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:46 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system according to
Accenture
Should be Updating Firefox is a bit like... Damn Spellcheckers - I
should
go back
this
way?.. well it's what I call the pair of IBM's double-edged swords.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#67 Now is time for banks to replace core
system according to Accenture
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#68 Now is time for banks to replace core
system according to Accenture
we
x23353
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:09 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: editting testing COBOL code (was:Now is time for banks to
replace core system according to Accenture)
(snippage)
John,
My steps are very much the same as yours, but we call step 6 move to
QA. These steps
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:29:08 +, Roy Hewitt wrote:
My point was about the structure of the way the system is set up, names etc..
I mentioned the fact
that IBM took years to finally get rid of version numbers in dataset names.
Anyone who knew what
Java is still burdened with version numbers.
Sarcasm - I use heading next time :-)
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P S
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 6:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Now is time for banks to replace core system
: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:04 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system according to
Accenture
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:04:44 -0800, Guy Gardoit wrote:
What?!? Not sure how'd you define decent but I don't see the point of
this statement at all
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:58:23 -0600, John McKown wrote:
problem is with DASD space. I needed to grab 10 3390-3 volumes for the
z/OS 1.10 install. And our management here is looking at wasted DASD
space, so I can't keep the volumes around very long.
Less than two decades ago, I had to work
to ride my
bicycle two miles, uphill both ways, to CompUSA to buy it.
You should be grateful that your management allows you to use
150 times that storage capacity, even temporarily.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#67 Now is time for banks to replace core
system according
On 1 Dec 2009 07:12:07 -0800, rex.pomm...@cnasurety.com (Pommier, Rex
R.) wrote:
Hardly nonsense. On Win or Mac, when Firefox tells me it
needs an update, I click on Update. A few minutes later,
it tells me to restart Firefox to activate the update.
I click Restart Firefox to warmstart. Two
And I dropped out of college, twice, never finished. What's your point?
Sensitive much? Sheesh.
It was sarcasm!
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[mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Guy Gardoit
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:35 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system
according to Accenture
stay out
In a message dated 12/1/2009 12:29:52 P.M. Central Standard Time,
john.mck...@healthmarkets.com writes:
Anybody who is not mentally challenged can get a drivers license. As can
any drunkard. Does that mean that they should really be driving? I don't
think so, but I'm an elitist snob.
, November 30, 2009 9:58 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system according to
Accenture
I'm not necessarily arguing for leaving the Mainframe, but cleaning up
the dungheap of COBOL is long overdue and now *is* the time for that.
Accenture is only a company
)
working correctly.
I have had troubles upgrading Opera though on my Mac, and I have had
Windows machines at work where I did not have sufficient upgrade
privilege.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#67 Now is time for banks to replace core
system according to Accenture
http
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Behalf Of HUTCHISON Gregory
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:48 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system according to
Accenture
Accenture is out
Guy Gardoit pisze:
stay out of the kitchen - very well put. Any moron can load Windows,
or update Firefox so let's try to make z/OS that way. Ridiculous and
irrelevant comparison.
It is simply part of truth. It's not any moron's job, rather it's
being done automatically - any moron only
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve
SNIPPAGE
I am so glad you brought this up.
Does anyone remember who Accenture was?
Arthur Andersen, IIRC.
-jc-
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In 4b143c91.2000...@frozen.eclipse.co.uk, on 11/30/2009
at 09:43 PM, Roy Hewitt ibm-m...@frozen.eclipse.co.uk said:
I mean, how many times on this list do we keep harping on about how
wonderful it was when we had to handcraft our own IO routine
etc etc!!
Who is we? I don't believe that I'm
On 1 Dec 2009 12:03:50 -0800, steve_thomp...@stercomm.com (Thompson,
Steve) wrote:
I am so glad you brought this up.
Does anyone remember who Accenture was?
And since this is a consulting company, telling people that they need
to... isn't this a bit self-serving? Something akin to Airline
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:58:23 -0600, John McKown wrote:
CA is adopting this type of process as well with their Mainframe 2.0. I
was at the demo and was impressed.
I saw their demo at SHARE. I was impressed particularly that it's
SMP/E under-the-covers, giving the systems programmer access to all
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:51:53 -0600, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:58:23 -0600, John McKown wrote:
CA is adopting this type of process as well with their Mainframe 2.0. I
was at the demo and was impressed.
I saw their demo at SHARE. I was impressed particularly
:
Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com
To:
IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Date:
12/01/2009 03:03 PM
Subject:
Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system according to Accenture
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Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 15:32
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SNIPPAGE
I am
to be the threat.
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of
Mark Zelden
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 3:11 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: CA-MSM (was Re: Now is time for banks to replace ...)
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:58:23 -0600, John McKown
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On
Behalf Of Chase, John
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 2:32 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: Now is time for banks to replace core system according to
Accenture
-Original Message
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People don't need college to learn Java. Java's available for
free, it handles the kind of applications an amateur knows likes to
play with, and it is easy to find help on the Web.
People don't need college to learn brain
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Accenture is saying that now might be the time for banks to replace
their core systems and retool to new technology. They don't actually
say it, but it sounds to me like their saying that big banks should get
off the mainframe
this board. I post a link to a article about Accenture
recommending that banks retool their core system to new technology and we get
into a discussion of COBOL vs JAVA and other areas and finally get back to the
original topic. Mind, I'm not complaining. It's all been a fun read
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Gee, I didn't finish High School. Better slit my throat now...
And I dropped out of college, twice, never finished. What's your point?
Sensitive much? Sheesh.
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I gave up
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I mean, how many times on this list do we keep harping on about how
wonderful it was when we had to handcraft our own IO routine
etc etc!!
Who is we? I don't believe that I'm the only one one this list to write
that I would
Hi:
This is a little self-serving for Accenture. If banks continue to modernize
their legacy systems, Accenture won't be able to sell their services and
the software they developed for BBVA and I believe for BS (Spanish banks).
I am sure the software, hardware and consulting costs
!
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Kelman,
Tom [thomas.kel...@commercebank.com]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:22 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Now is time for banks to replace core system according to Accenture
Accenture
On 30 Nov 2009 09:59:09 -0800, sc...@aitrus.org (Scott) wrote:
I'm not necessarily arguing for leaving the Mainframe, but cleaning up the
dungheap of COBOL is long overdue and now *is* the time for that.
Periodically, the business model needs to be re-analyzed, and the IS
model should be changed
in the future, especially if a Glass-Steagall replacement
is eventually enacted. Banks are being told to go back to being banks. I
would ask what Accenture is missing?
Changing your tools makes money - for the consultants.Telling you
to keep the status quo is counter-productive consulting
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