Ron Hawkins wrote:
Radoslaw,
Wise, but not foolproof. The difference I was highlighting is that the
Shadowimage volumes, and I think Timefinder, do not have to be defined to
the system at all. Therefore they can never be accidentally bought online.
Well,
I strongly prefer to have an option to
Radoslaw,
Wise, but not foolproof. The difference I was highlighting is that the
Shadowimage volumes, and I think Timefinder, do not have to be defined to
the system at all. Therefore they can never be accidentally bought online.
Ron
>
> Unless you have wise IODF configuration. Wise = target vo
Ron Hawkins wrote:
[...]
The unfortunate thing in all this is that FlashCopy require the target
volumes to be genned to the same system as the Source volume, or the command
won't work. These means the duplicate volume time bomb is sitting around
waiting to happen.
Unless you have wise IODF con
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> What I think I am h
John,
To be more precise, does IBM have a product that can backup a FlashCopy
target. The answer is yes - DFSMSdss using DUMPCONDITIONING.
What I think I am hearing hear is that with the basic FDR product you would
use the capability to backup offline volumes, meaning you don't need another
LPAR
Ron,
Thanks for all the good information. We only have one Shark box. The Lpar I
am setting up will only be used for backups, and will probably be shut down the
rest of the week. Actually, I kind of like the idea of nothing shared. All we
would need would be a separate pool of 3590 tape car
On Sun, 7 Sep 2008, Stephen Mednick wrote:
> Similarly, DFSMShsm & DFSMSrmm are priced optional features too.
>
>
> Stephen Mednick
> Computer Supervisory Services
> Sydney, Australia
as is DFSMStvs (transactional VSAM).
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> Eric,
>
> DFDSS should be part of DFSMS. FDR is a pay for.
No, DFSMSdss is a priced optional feature, presumably because of the
existence of at least one comparable ISV product (like FDR).
> So
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> Ron,
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Ron,
Thanks for the information. As I said in an earlier post, we don't have
DFDSS, so I can't do dumpconditioning. I will take your
statement, "This is the problem with the 2nd LPAR backup method - it's
an accident waiting to happen.", and show it to my boss. That might
be enough leverage
Greg Shirey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The DUMPCONDITIONING parameter of the DFSMSdss COPY FULL command allows
both the source and target volumes to remain online after a full volume
copy operation, thus creating an interim copy for a subsequent dump to
tape that can be done using the same s
Copy compatible
products.
Ron
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>We just installed a new Shark DS8100 with Flashcopy. I was looking
for
>information on setting up an Lpar to copy all of the Flashed disks to
tape
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> Thanks Greg.
://www.opentechsystems.com/dbs.php
Regards,
Don
Don Bolton
Director Technical Services
www.OpentechSystems.com
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But the FC* ANTRQST commands are free...
>
> Yes it is there in the libraries that come with z/OS. But it also has
> to be
> payed for and enabled (legally) via IFAPRDxx.I know many shops
> that don't license DFSMSdss.
>
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On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:09:51 -0400, Lizette Koehler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Eric,
>
>DFDSS should be part of DFSMS. FDR is a pay for.
>
>So you should already have it in house.
>
Yes it is there in the libraries that come with z/OS. But it also has to be
payed for and enabled (legally) via I
Eric,
Don't know what happened to my first reply so will try again.
When you do a flash copy the target unit is invalidated so that it cannot
be brought online. FDR supplies a utility to restore it to the original
source volser if you really want to.
First to flash the volume to an offline vol
Eric,
DFDSS should be part of DFSMS. FDR is a pay for.
So you should already have it in house.
Lizette
: Re: Info on Setting Up an Lpar for Flashcopy
>
>Thanks Greg. I hadn't found that book yet, and am downloading it now.
>Unfortuneatly, we don't have DFDSS here, o
Eric,
Using FDR to flash the volume.
//FLASH EXEC PGM=FDRABR,REGION=0M,COND=(0,NE)
//TAPE1 DD DUMMY,LABEL=RETPD=15
//TAPE2 DD DUMMY,LABEL=RETPD=15
//SYSPRIN1DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSPRIN2DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSPRIN3DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSPRINTDD SYSOUT=*
/
Martinez, Frank J wrote:
Back in the Y2K frenzy, we set up our "Time Machine" by using FlashCopy
(actually SNAP, since it was a good ol' RVA) and it worked quite well. The first step
was to rename the offline target pack(s), vary it on, then we SNAPped the source
volume(s), which automagicall
Thanks Greg. I hadn't found that book yet, and am downloading it now.
Unfortuneatly, we don't have DFDSS here, only FDR. This book looks like it
will help me.
Eric
Greg Shirey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The DUMPCONDITIONING parameter of the DFSMSdss COPY FULL command allows
> both th
We just installed a new Shark DS8100 with Flashcopy. I was looking for
information on setting up an Lpar to copy all of the Flashed disks to
tape. We back up all of our DASD every week. We would like to be able to
mount the flashed copies in a separate Lpar using the same volsers as the
orig
HTH
Frank
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Greg,
The backup (Flash) will be done from th
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Greg,
The backup (Flash) will be done from the production Lpar. Because all
the volsers on the backup
Greg,
The backup (Flash) will be done from the production Lpar. Because all the
volsers on the backup copies are the same, we want to do the backups to tape on
a separate lpar. I haven't worked with flashcopy before, so there may be
something I am missing.
Eric
Greg Shirey <[EMAIL PROT
Eric,
Why do you want to do the backup (dump?) from a separate LPAR, if I may
ask?
Greg Shirey
Ben E. Keith Company
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We just installed a new Shark DS8100 with Fl
Assuming that you are planning to flash all of your production DASD at one
time, you can do something like this:
PRODUCTION LPAR BACKUP LPAR
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| PRODUCTION || PRODUC
We just installed a new Shark DS8100 with Flashcopy. I was looking for
information on setting up an Lpar to copy all of the Flashed disks to tape. We
back up all of our DASD every week. We would like to be able to mount the
flashed copies in a separate Lpar using the same volsers as the origi
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