1995 cards were still being used on a UNIvac system in the Middle
East.
Like others I loved using them for making notes as they were a perfect fit
for my shirt pocket.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:
In
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--snip
-
And I've had a few doozies - one program should have had an LA
instruction that got keypunched as an
LH; the error
In 7568069456759148.wa.steve.doverccbcc@bama.ua.edu, on
08/17/2011
at 08:16 AM, Steve Dover steve.do...@ccbcc.com said:
Phil, we had one at Allstate Insurance until 1990. 2540
reader/punch. I sure miss the chads, they were great fun in desks
and cars.
I used to think so, until I learned
--snip-
And I've had a few doozies - one program should have had an LA
instruction that got keypunched as an LH; the error was discovered
fourteen years later when IBM changed a control block around so the
referenced field
Ted MacNEIL wrote:
couldn't be troubled to double-check his work and still get my work done.
Where do you draw the lines?
Always a difficult call.
In 30 years (PLUS), I've only been involved in terminating people twice.
One was easy: he was so incompetent, we had to remove
: Last card reader?
--snip-
And I've had a few doozies - one program should have had an LA instruction that
got keypunched as an LH; the error was discovered fourteen years later when IBM
changed a control block around so
I have memories that at one time IBM had minimum hardware requirements
for systems assurance.
That include not just a card reader but also a punch eg 2541 ?, plus
printer and tape drive. This requirement existed past the time that most
customers wanted punch equipement.
Ken
also a punch eg 2541 ?, ...
The 2540 was an enormously versatile machine in that it not only supported the
card reading function but also the card punching function.
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/2540.html
Google ad: first hit with search words IBM 2540 picture.
But,
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 05:33:38 -0500 Chris Mason chrisma...@belgacom.net
wrote:
: also a punch eg 2541 ?, ...
:The 2540 was an enormously versatile machine in that it not only supported
the card reading function but also the card punching function.
Think it was right hand side reader, can remember some horrific card jams and
trying to straighten the brushes on the reader.
John Cousins BSc BA
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Back from my days in the computer room.
The 2540 had a long slanted card read station and you would place the cards to
be read in that. As the cards were being read the reader would vibrate the
cards so they would be ready to be read. To get all the static electricity out
of the cards.
The
picture.
But, looking at the picture I realise I've forgotten which feed was
the reader feed and which was the punch feed!
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#13 Last card reader?
reader ran faster than the punch ... punch had hopper for maybe couple
hundred cards (on left) ... reader had
Sounds a bit harsh Ed! ...let he who hath omitted no comma sack the first
sysprog.
the guy was fired the next morning.
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On 08/17/2011 06:05 PM, Ed Gould wrote:
Rick,
My vague memory was a 407 read cards and you had a board you could place wires
what you wanted to o print add subtract and take the results and print it out
on the printer(132? Positions?). The wires were collided. So you could
manipulate the
That was one of the issues. There were other issues as well. But as I found
out later that the company was cutting staff for a move southeast. They were a
less than reputable company and it was a happy day wen I walked out of the
place myself.
Ed
, 2011 11:36:33 AM
Subject: Re: Last card reader?
The 407 had the ability to suppress card advance and re-read the same card
multiple times. Someone figured out how to use that feature to perform
multiplication by repeated addition. No doubt would have been a slow as heck,
but amazing
In a 407, the cards remain stationary while they are being read. There are 960
reading brushes in each of the two reading stations, one for each possible
punch position on the card. One application that would use this was the
printing of address labels. The name, address, and city state zip
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Wow, a 402!! Who'd have guessed there was still one running outside a
museum
You could also multiply, but I never tried to divide so I don't know
about that.
Rick
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Ed Gould wrote:
Rick,
My vague memory was a 407 read cards and you had a board you could place wires
what you wanted to o print add subtract and take the results and print
Chuckle...
I don't think they had zip codes back then...
Ed
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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: Last card reader?
In a 407, the cards remain stationary while
Rick:
I never worked on the 407, but I'm guessing that if it could multiply,
it could probably divide.
As a field engineer, I did maintain the IBM 602, which was
electro-mechanical and card based, but could both multiply and divide.
Mike Myers
Mentor Services Corporation
On 08/18/2011
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZIP_code
1963 for 5 digits. 1980s for 5+4.
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com wrote:
Chuckle...
I don't think they had zip codes back then...
Ed
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-snip
The 2540 was an enormously versatile machine in that it not only supported the
card reading function but also the card punching function.
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/2540.html
Google ad: first hit with search
On Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:02:35 -0400, Mike Myers m...@mentor-services.com wrote:
I never worked on the 407, but I'm guessing that if it could multiply,
it could probably divide.
As a field engineer, I did maintain the IBM 602, which was
electro-mechanical and card based, but could both multiply
---snip
Sounds a bit harsh Ed! ...let he who hath omitted no comma sack the first
sysprog.
the guy was fired the next morning.
---unsnip
I agree, Andy (If I make make
In m31uwkp31p@garlic.com, on 08/17/2011
at 09:42 AM, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com said:
registration program was moved from 709 to 360
You really mean 709 and not 7090? That's a big jump!
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08/17/2011
at 04:05 PM, Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com said:
My vague memory was a 407 read cards and you had a board you could
place wires what you wanted to o print add subtract and take the
results and print it out on the
In 4e4c4046.8020...@ync.net, on 08/17/2011
at 05:27 PM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net said:
Was that a 402 or a 407?
Wasn't the 407 just a fancier 402?
I still have a 407 board that takes 80 columns from the first
card and 52 columns from the second line to create a
single 132-character
In 4e4ce02b.4000...@netspace.net.au, on 08/18/2011
at 07:49 PM, Ken Brick kbr...@netspace.net.au said:
That include not just a card reader but also a punch eg 2541 ?,
AFAIK there was no 2540. There was a 2501 card reader and a 2540 card
reader/punch, plus a few less common devices.
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On 8/18/2011 5:30 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote:
because he was just too afraid to be confident of his work. I
couldn't be troubled to double-check his work and still get my
work done.
Where do you draw the lines?
I've worked at places that separated test and production
environments, and to even
couldn't be troubled to double-check his work and still get my work done.
Where do you draw the lines?
Always a difficult call.
In 30 years (PLUS), I've only been involved in terminating people twice.
One was easy: he was so incompetent, we had to remove all his update access.
He couldn't find
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes:
You really mean 709 and not 7090? That's a big jump!
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2011k.html#8 Last card reader?
univ. supposedly had something like #3 709, thousands of tubes that
constantly required maintenance ... something
On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:09:48 -0500 Mary Anne Matyaz wrote:
My CE still uses cards to write notes on, if you want to be literal
about what a 'card reader' is.
Clearing out my office today I found a couple of wads of ruled Amdahl
cards for just this purpose. Nice corporate red, even have To and
On 17/08/2011 08:19 AM, Barry Merrill wrote:
Related: when did IBM create the last IBM cards?
I believe that the plant in Greencastle, Ind was
supposed to be the creator of all (USA?) card blanks.
Barry Merrill
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FWIW the last IBM 3505 I saw was in 1984. I remember one time the CE was called
in to fix it (kept data checking or some such). Apparently, 3505's had optical
sensors to detect the holes, and this particular unit was occasionally spitting
machine oil onto the cards. As the machine oil soaked
Phil, we had one at Allstate Insurance until 1990. 2540 reader/punch. I sure
miss the chads, they were great fun in desks and cars. But I do not miss
hauling the 50 pound boxes around.
On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:08:04 -0700, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com wrote:
Wondering when the last card
steve.do...@ccbcc.com (Steve Dover) writes:
Phil, we had one at Allstate Insurance until 1990. 2540 reader/punch.
I sure miss the chads, they were great fun in desks and cars. But I
do not miss hauling the 50 pound boxes around.
as undergraduate in the 60s ... univ. was using sense-marked
I woulkdn't mind finding a 96-column keypunch. Gotta be a real rarity. :-)
Yes, very rare. I only know of a handful of them. The 96 column card
sorter is beyond rare.
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Well if you don't count a straightened paper clip!
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The 96 column card
sorter is beyond rare.
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Well if you don't count a straightened paper clip!
In a message dated 8/17/2011 1:50:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
wdonze...@gmail.com writes:
The 96 column card
sorter is beyond rare
We took a big lightening hit back in the sixties and the machine room was
OK but lots of the peripheral equipment was fried. Naturally when we went to
IPL,
the operator dropped the deck! 'Necessity IS the mother of invention'
In a message dated 8/17/2011 2:38:58 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
My previous employer used cards until about 1995. The factory payroll clock
cards and time tickets were 80 column cards, and they used the end printing
function of a 519 reproducer to print the employee number on the end of the
clock cards.
Just before the 3505 was removed, I received a call
I was going to add that there is a small company in Texas that not only still
uses cards, but uses a 402 to process them. Talk about one for Ripley's.
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Wow, a 402!! Who'd have guessed there was still one running outside a
museum?
I learned programming when I was taught to wire the board that
controlled one of those. I also used to maintain them as a Field
Engineer, but that was in 1964.
I last worked on one in 1966 before I left for system
that though, but their data went to tape instead.
--- On Wed, 8/17/11, Robert Heffner robert.heff...@antaressolutions.com wrote:
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Date: Wednesday, August 17, 2011, 4:32 PM
My
http://www.ibm-1401.info/402.html
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Mike Myers m...@mentor-services.com wrote:
Wow, a 402!! Who'd have guessed there was still one running outside a
museum?
I learned programming when I was taught to wire the board that controlled
one of those. I also used to
snip-
Wow, a 402!! Who'd have guessed there was still one running outside a
museum?
I learned programming when I was taught to wire the board that
controlled one of those. I also used to maintain them as a Field
Engineer, but
Rick,
Couldn't you also get printout from the console typewriter?
Tom
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Rick:
No, it was definitely a 402. The 407 was around at the time, but I never
got trained on it. If I recall correctly, the boards looked a lot the same.
Mike Myers
On 08/17/2011 06:27 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote:
snip-
Wow, a
Rick,
My vague memory was a 407 read cards and you had a board you could place wires
what you wanted to o print add subtract and take the results and print it out
on the printer(132? Positions?). The wires were collided. So you could
manipulate the data if needed and move it to the print
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Rick:
No, it was definitely a 402. The 407 was around at the time, but I never
got trained on it. If I recall correctly, the boards looked a lot the same.
Mike Myers
On 08/17/2011 06:27 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote
On 8/17/2011 4:36 PM, Robert Heffner wrote:
I was going to add that there is a small company in Texas
that not only still uses cards, but uses a 402 to process
them. Talk about one for Ripley's.
My all-time favorite is a small establishment on Times Square in
New York City. A customer would
Wasn#39;t there a card reader as a requirement for 3090 and before so the CE
could install the OLTEP program and a rudimentary IOCDS to run his diagnostics?
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I have a similar tale. A so called systems programmer screwed up an update to
IEAAPF00 and we lost VTAM at start up. I had to run IKJEFT01 in TSO line mode
edit to put in a comma that he forgot. The operators thought I was crazy, but
it worked quickly.
the guy was fired the next morning.
Ed
ps2...@yahoo.com (Ed Gould) writes:
Wasn#39;t there a card reader as a requirement for 3090 and before
so the CE could install the OLTEP program and a rudimentary IOCDS to
run his diagnostics?
3092 (3090 service processor) was a pair of 4361s running a special
custom vm370 release 6 off of
, August 16, 2011 1:08 PM
Subject: Last card reader?
Wondering when the last card reader died. We had one at University of
Waterloo until 1984 or 1985; we had a full professor who insisted on using
cards. We finally told him he'd have to pay the maintenance-that convinced
him (or, more likely, his
Wondering when the last card reader died. We had one at University of Waterloo
until 1984 or 1985; we had a full professor who insisted on using cards. We
finally told him he'd have to pay the maintenance-that convinced him (or, more
likely, his Dean) that it was time to use terminals.
What's
intelligence to do the
real OS boot from disk.
Rex
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Wondering when the last card reader died. We
W dniu 2011-08-16 20:08, Phil Smith pisze:
Wondering when the last card reader died. We had one at University of Waterloo
until 1984 or 1985; we had a full professor who insisted on using cards. We
finally told him he'd have to pay the maintenance-that convinced him (or, more
likely, his Dean
Wondering when the last card reader died. We had one at University of
Waterloo until 1984 or 1985; we had a full professor who insisted on using
cards. We finally told him he'd have to pay the maintenance-that convinced
him (or, more likely, his Dean) that it was time to use terminals
My CE still uses cards to write notes on, if you want to be literal about what
a 'card reader' is.
For your enjoyment today:
http://www.kloth.net/services/cardpunch.php
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I LOVE Cards. Fits perfectly in your pocket, just right for writing on!
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My CE still uses cards to write notes on, if you want to be literal
about what a 'card reader' is.
Isn't it a little time
On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:22:30 +0200, R.S. wrote:
For example, last year I heard tah last Odra (polish mainframe under
license from ICL) was switched off. This year I hear that another Odra
was switched off. BTW: I'm not 100% sure, but it it very likely that at
least one of the shops used (real)
On 8/16/2011 12:35 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
Will a z/OS guest under VM still accept jobs from a CP-attached virtual
reader?
Absolutely!
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I was still using them in the late 80's early 90's, forget the exact
year we finally got off them.
I want to be buried with a /*EOF card ...
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Wondering when the last card reader died. We had one at University of
Waterloo until 1984 or 1985; we had a full
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Wondering when the last card reader died. We had one at University of
Waterloo until 1984 or 1985; we had a full professor who insisted on using
cards. We finally told him he'd have to pay the maintenance-that convinced
him (or, more likely, his Dean) that it was time to use
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Wondering when the last card reader died. We had one at University of Waterloo
until 1984 or 1985; we had a full professor who insisted on using cards. We
Phil Smith wrote:
Wondering when the last card reader died. We had one at University of Waterloo
until 1984 or 1985; we had a full professor who insisted on using cards. We
finally told him he'd have to pay the maintenance-that convinced him (or, more
likely, his Dean) that it was time
William Donzelli wrote:
Wondering when the last card reader died. We had one at University of Waterloo
until 1984 or 1985; we had a full professor who insisted on using cards. We
finally told him he'd have to pay the maintenance-that convinced him (or, more
likely, his Dean) that it was time
snip
I was still using them in the late 80's early 90's, forget the exact
year we finally got off them.
I want to be buried with a /*EOF card ...
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Related: when did IBM create the last IBM cards?
I believe that the plant in Greencastle, Ind was
supposed to be the creator of all (USA?) card blanks.
Barry Merrill
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Related: when did IBM create the last IBM cards?
I believe that the plant in Greencastle, Ind was
supposed to be the creator of all (USA?) card blanks.
IBM still gets cards, but for use by executives. They are made in a
little print shop in Armonk. Available in about 12 colors.
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Hi Will,
Sure would like to have some! :)
Linda
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Related: when did IBM create the last IBM cards?
I
the old library systems? Cases and cases and cases for the library
books.
Linda
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My CE still uses cards to write
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Related: when did IBM create
Just for fun, I still have an 029 control card drum. It still has a card on
it for punching assembler. A little piece of history. Does any computer
museum need one?
Likely not, but I can ask.
I actually have a box full of them. If anyone here wants one, let me know.
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