Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2012-01-05 Thread John Szura
Sorry for the delay. Just joined this list. Tone Software provides a dynamic STEPLIB product called Dynastep that will allow a different STEPLIB concatenation for EACH ISPF screen and it is a real TASKLIB so it will work for LOAD, ATTACH, LINK and XCTL as well as ISPF. The Tone website is

Re: "programmable SYSOUT" (was: dynamic STEPLIB)

2011-08-04 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <1312392325.46164.yahoomail...@web65513.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>, on 08/03/2011 at 10:25 AM, Scott Ford said: >Yep, Shmuel we have a couple customers asking for a 'generic' wilbur >or roscoe type interface. It amazes me that people are still using >Wilbur or Roscoe.. The associative range const

Re: "programmable SYSOUT" (was: dynamic STEPLIB)

2011-08-03 Thread Scott Ford
ay, August 1, 2011 9:10 PM Subject: Re: "programmable SYSOUT" (was: dynamic STEPLIB) In <1710722180664386.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu>, on 08/01/2011   at 07:44 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: >Just curious.  What's "programmable SYSOUT"? This derives from

Re: "programmable SYSOUT" (was: dynamic STEPLIB)

2011-08-02 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <1710722180664386.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu>, on 08/01/2011 at 07:44 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: >Just curious. What's "programmable SYSOUT"? This derives from programs like Wylbur that have to be able to manipulate and retrieve job output in an efficient and flexible manner. The re

"programmable SYSOUT" (was: dynamic STEPLIB)

2011-08-01 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:33:14 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > >OnQoheleth > >You should have been around for the programmable SYSOUT run-around. >Share finally had to submit essentially the same requirement >concurrently from JES2, JES3 and TSO, each referring to the >requirements from the

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-31 Thread Ed Gould
MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:33 AM Subject: Re: dynamic STEPLIB In <1311706524.70206.yahoomai...@web161425.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, on 07/26/2011   at 11:55 AM, Ed Gould said: >I used to work on requirements for the storage products and when we >would either

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <1311706524.70206.yahoomai...@web161425.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, on 07/26/2011 at 11:55 AM, Ed Gould said: >I used to work on requirements for the storage products and when we >would either revue all the outstanding requirements or get >notification from IBM that they thought one (or more) of

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-27 Thread Cheryl Walker
Binyamin, Please don't assume from your experience with ISPF that it applies to all Share projects and requirements (or even to the current situation with ISPF). The Share MVSE project has been quite successful in obtaining IBM assistance in evaluating and working on requirements. The current I

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-26 Thread Binyamin Dissen
can deflect. :> :>Ed :> :> :> :> :> :>________ :>From: Cheryl Walker :>To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu :>Sent: Mon, July 25, 2011 3:03:18 PM :>Subject: Re: dynamic STEPLIB :> :>SHARE Requirement SSSHARE011158 (A Dynamic Steplib Facili

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-26 Thread Ed Gould
or each requirement and a pat on the back for every requirement they can deflect. Ed From: Cheryl Walker To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Mon, July 25, 2011 3:03:18 PM Subject: Re: dynamic STEPLIB SHARE Requirement SSSHARE011158 (A Dynamic Steplib Facility

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-25 Thread Walt Farrell
On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:13:29 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >The question remains, what's wrong with the standard [OS/360] linkage used by, >e.g., EXEC PGM=? Different environments have different requirements, gil. TSO commands require a different and specific set of parameters to make the dat

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <71255040-e3ea-4dd1-8f86-43c054600...@watsonwalker.com>, on 07/25/2011 at 04:03 PM, Cheryl Walker said: >A customer may want to open a new requirement for a dynamic 'steplib' >feature that modifies the TASKLIB for an existing command processor's >TCB within

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <0542225449926862.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu>, on 07/25/2011 at 04:13 PM, Paul Gilmartin said: >The question remains, what's wrong with the standard [OS/360] linkage >used by, e.g., EXEC PGM=? It doesn't support TSO subcommands, which require all of the paremeters in the CPPL. --

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <131760203761.wa.paulgboulderaim@bama.ua.edu>, on 07/25/2011 at 09:40 AM, Paul Gilmartin said: >Clear enough if I read it carefully, but I dislike the user interface >design. I agree, but for a different reason from yours. >Had I been making the decision, >instead of SELECT PGM(MY

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-25 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <4592215356682315.wa.markmzelden@bama.ua.edu>, on 07/25/2011 at 08:43 AM, Mark Zelden said: >http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/ISPZSG80/2.22.5.2?SHELF=ISPZPM80&DT=20090611002745#HDRULLIBS That text distinguishes between SELECT CMD and SELECT PGM: "The LIBDEF l

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 09:46:06 -0500, Walt Farrell wrote: >On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 09:40:01 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > >The difference is much more than a difference between LINK and ATTACH, gil. >Part of the difference is the parameter list, too. > >>And "a unique argument list format" has always

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-25 Thread Cheryl Walker
SHARE Requirement SSSHARE011158 (A Dynamic Steplib Facility is Needed for batch and TSO) was submitted in August 1985. During our recent cleanup of the MVSE requirements (Oct 2010), the requirements committee marked it as Available, so it is no longer active. The reason: IBM developed TSOLIB

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-25 Thread Walt Farrell
On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 09:40:01 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >Clear enough if I read it carefully, but I dislike the user interface design. >I have a basic understanding of LOAD, LINK, ATTACH, XCTL, ...; much >less of ISPF behavior. I find it a needless burden on the user to introduce >novel termin

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 08:43:20 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote: >On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 16:59:20 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: > >>In <3sdo27dcbiqmha4fhbq71jus8m7ir3e...@4ax.com>, on 07/24/2011 >> at 06:18 PM, Binyamin Dissen said: >> >>>SELECT PGM will LOAD from the ispllib, which was the issue.

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-25 Thread Mark Zelden
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 16:59:20 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: >In <3sdo27dcbiqmha4fhbq71jus8m7ir3e...@4ax.com>, on 07/24/2011 > at 06:18 PM, Binyamin Dissen said: > >>SELECT PGM will LOAD from the ispllib, which was the issue. > >The issue that I was responding to was Mark's claim "LIBD

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <3sdo27dcbiqmha4fhbq71jus8m7ir3e...@4ax.com>, on 07/24/2011 at 06:18 PM, Binyamin Dissen said: >SELECT PGM will LOAD from the ispllib, which was the issue. The issue that I was responding to was Mark's claim "LIBDEF doesn't work for LINK, XCTL, LOAD, & ATTACH." -- Shmuel (Seymour J

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-24 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 02:01:22 -0400 "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" wrote: :>In , on 07/23/2011 :> at 10:37 PM, Binyamin Dissen said: :>>SELECT PGM, for one. :>Select PGM isn't an *alternative* to LINK, XCTL, LOAD, & ATTACH. ISPF :>uses standard contents supervision, it doesn't do its own I/O to l

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <295ed806ab479944b1217cc84a173de012a2d...@nwt-s-mbx1.rocketsoftware.com>, on 07/22/2011 at 10:22 PM, Rob Scott said: >I have come across *many* software products and home-grown utilities >that do not handle being invoked under LIBDEF very well - and, as >Walt pointed out earlier, were invok

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-24 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 07/23/2011 at 10:37 PM, Binyamin Dissen said: >SELECT PGM, for one. Select PGM isn't an *alternative* to LINK, XCTL, LOAD, & ATTACH. ISPF uses standard contents supervision, it doesn't do its own I/O to load modules. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO posit

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-23 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 15:45:13 -0400 "Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)" wrote: :>In <6165059911694373.wa.markmzelden@bama.ua.edu>, on 07/22/2011 :> at 11:12 AM, Mark Zelden said: :>>Yes, LIBDEF doesn't work for LINK, XCTL, LOAD, & ATTACH. :>What's left? SELECT PGM, for one. -- Binyamin Dissen

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-23 Thread Peter Relson
>But does the IBM documentation explicitly say that the parent >TCB cannot do this? "That which is not specifically forbidden, >is allowed." Wrong. 100%. That which is not specifically allowed is not supported and you do at your own (system's) risk.. >DCB parameter Mention is made of the ATT

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Ed Gould
Jim is the ultimate person to be saying such a thing. He is echoing what I have heard for 30 years. We looked at a product that did the dynamic steplib back in the 70's (IIRC) and asked around about the reputation and got back from IBM & Guide people the same response. We told the user

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
On 7/22/2011 3:06 PM, Jim Mulder wrote: The only supported mechanism in MVS for adding to the module library search order within as address space is an ATTACH with a TASKLIB. This is the only supported way to set TCBJLB. As I'm sure you're aware, many users have requirements that are not s

RE : dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Rob Scott
ssage- From: Rob Scott Sent: 22 July 2011 23:22 To: 'IBM Mainframe Discussion List' Subject: RE: dynamic STEPLIB I have come across *many* software products and home-grown utilities that do not handle being invoked under LIBDEF very well - and, as Walt pointed out earlier, were in

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Rob Scott
02466-2272 * USA Tel: +1.617.614.2305 Email: rsc...@rs.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: 22 July 2011 20:52 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re:

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread John McKown
OK. Now, suppose the initial module does a LOAD/LINK/XCTL/ATTACH after it totally loaded, but also after the parent task does a CLOSE on the DCB. What happens? I guess I could just run a job to find out. On Fri, 2011-07-22 at 16:18 -0400, Jim Mulder wrote: > IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:18:15 -0400, Jim Mulder wrote: >IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 07/22/2011 >03:38:55 PM: > >> What about a driver program which OPENs a DD name then ATTACHes the >> actual "main" routine with the DCB=. This driver has an API such >> that a subtask can request the dri

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <295ed806ab479944b1217cc84a173de012a2d...@nwt-s-mbx1.rocketsoftware.com>, on 07/22/2011 at 12:45 PM, Rob Scott said: >Products that can be invoked under LIBDEF for ISPLLIB must be coded >to recognize and support it - otherwise any bog-standard LOADs could >be issued without awareness of the

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <6165059911694373.wa.markmzelden@bama.ua.edu>, on 07/22/2011 at 11:12 AM, Mark Zelden said: >Yes, LIBDEF doesn't work for LINK, XCTL, LOAD, & ATTACH. What's left? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 07/22/2011 03:38:55 PM: > What about a driver program which OPENs a DD name then ATTACHes the > actual "main" routine with the DCB=. This driver has an API such > that a subtask can request the driver program, in its TCB, do a > CLOSE / DEALLOCATE / ALLO

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread McKown, John
e is a Share requirement out there (for ages I > think) for > IBM to > > address this issue. So far, there is still no dynamic > Steplib process. > > > > I think the TSO-REXX group has had some discussions on this > topic as > well. > > The only support

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 07/22/2011 08:46:56 AM: > Not every product that runs under TSO/ISPF can use LIBDEFs or ALTLIBs, or > TASKLIBs. > > I think there is a Share requirement out there (for ages I think) for IBM to > address this issue. So far, there is s

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 06:54:07 -0500, Juergen Keller wrote: >hello Andy, >but it does NOT work for us :-( If you use for example Connect:Direct (which >is now an IBM product) and you don't have defined a STEPLIB you will receive >S806. An ISPLLIB is also defined with LIBDEF but does not help. An

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Schumacher, Otto
The is a relatively inexpensive product called Tsoplus that provides a steplibx function to provide dynamic Steplib function for tso. Regards Otto Schumacher   HP Enterprise Services Infrastructure Specialist Ahold Account CICS & Capacity Technical Support P.O. Box 6462 2000 Wade Hampton

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Walt Farrell
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:26:00 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 08:46:56 -0400, Lizette Koehler wrote: >> >>Not every product that runs under TSO/ISPF can use LIBDEFs or ALTLIBs, or >>TASKLIBs. >> >Not TASKLIB? I thought that once you ATTACH with a TASKLIB it would >be in the sear

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 08:46:56 -0400, Lizette Koehler wrote: > >Not every product that runs under TSO/ISPF can use LIBDEFs or ALTLIBs, or >TASKLIBs. > Not TASKLIB? I thought that once you ATTACH with a TASKLIB it would be in the search order for any child LOAD, LINK, ATTACH, or XCTL. Where does it

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Rob Scott
bject: Re: dynamic STEPLIB On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:45:24 +, Rob Scott wrote: >Products that can be invoked under LIBDEF for ISPLLIB must be coded to >recognize and support it - otherwise any bog-standard LOADs could be >issued without awareness of the tasklib DCB requirements and yo

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Walt Farrell
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:45:24 +, Rob Scott wrote: >Products that can be invoked under LIBDEF for ISPLLIB must be coded to >recognize and support it - otherwise any bog-standard LOADs could be issued >without >awareness of the tasklib DCB requirements and you end up with an S806. If the >p

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Juergen Keller
hello Andy, but it does NOT work for us :-( If you use for example Connect:Direct (which is now an IBM product) and you don't have defined a STEPLIB you will receive S806. An ISPLLIB is also defined with LIBDEF but does not help. And there are some more examples ... Juergen (sorry I've missed th

RES: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread ITURIEL DO NASCIMENTO NETO
I agree. We had some problems in the past where ISPLLIB didn't help. Dynamic STEPLIB solved it, and yes, if you change it by a newer version it will work. Atenciosamente / Regards / Saludos Ituriel do Nascimento Neto BANCO BRADESCO S.A. 4254 / DPCD Engenharia de Software Sistemas Operaci

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Andy Robertson
, Not every product that runs under TSO/ISPF can use LIBDEFs or ALTLIBs, or TASKLIBs. I think there is a Share requirement out there (for ages I think) for IBM to address this issue. So far, there is still no dynamic Steplib process

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Lizette Koehler
myprog will search the LIBDEF'd library first > Andy, Not every product that runs under TSO/ISPF can use LIBDEFs or ALTLIBs, or TASKLIBs. I think there is a Share requirement out there (for ages I think) for IBM to address this issue. So far, there is still no dynamic Steplib process.

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Rob Scott
.614.2305 Email: rsc...@rs.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: 22 July 2011 13:28 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: dynamic STEPLIB

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In <5015311985942233.wa.juergen.kellerdeutscheboerse@bama.ua.edu>, on 07/22/2011 at 02:40 AM, Juergen Keller said: >And I do not understand why IBM does not offer an "official" way of >doing this which is maintained with the approprate z/OS release. IBM does, and it's pretty long in the t

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Juergen Keller
hello Andy, but it does work for us :-( If you use for example Connect:Direct (which is now an IBM product) and you don't have defined a STEPLIB you will receive S806. An ISPLLIB is also defined with LIBDEF but does not help. And there are some more examples ... Juergen

Re: dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Andy Robertson
on the actual CBT-Tape. I hope it will work. So why do we use dynamic STEPLIB? It does not make any sense to allocate a load-library in LINKLST or STEPLIB of logon-procedures when only a handful of people are using it. And if you do changes in the library-names you have to change a lot of things.

dynamic STEPLIB

2011-07-22 Thread Juergen Keller
I hope it will work. So why do we use dynamic STEPLIB? It does not make any sense to allocate a load-library in LINKLST or STEPLIB of logon-procedures when only a handful of people are using it. And if you do changes in the library-names you have to change a lot of things. So using dynamic ST

Re: Dynamic STEPLIB command

2010-03-10 Thread Dan D
Thanks Binyamin. I like this option if the storage can not be allocated at the jobstep task level. Dan Binyamin Dissen wrote: On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:35:03 -0500 DanD wrote: On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 20:29:42 -0500 DanD wrote: This command was originally designed for use on TSO. Some users

Re: Dynamic STEPLIB command

2010-03-10 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:35:03 -0500 DanD wrote: :>> On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 20:29:42 -0500 DanD wrote: :> :>> :>> :>This command was originally designed for use on TSO. Some users have :>> :>extended the use of this command to execute in a batch TMP environment. :>> :>Please be aware that in a batch e

Re: Dynamic STEPLIB command

2010-03-10 Thread DanD
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 20:29:42 -0500 DanD wrote: :>This command was originally designed for use on TSO. Some users have :>extended the use of this command to execute in a batch TMP environment. :>Please be aware that in a batch environment STEPLIB cleanup is not :>automatic. The original STEPLI

Re: Dynamic STEPLIB command

2010-03-10 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010 20:29:42 -0500 DanD wrote: :>For all the users of my dynamic STEPLIB command from the CBT File 452 please :>be aware of a couple of situations. :>On z/OS 1.11 you may encounter a D78 abend. :>On z/OS 1.12 you may encounter a D0A-04 abend. :>The D78 fix has bee

Dynamic STEPLIB command

2010-03-09 Thread DanD
Greetings, For all the users of my dynamic STEPLIB command from the CBT File 452 please be aware of a couple of situations. On z/OS 1.11 you may encounter a D78 abend. On z/OS 1.12 you may encounter a D0A-04 abend. The D78 fix has been available for a while (April '09). The D0A-04 fix has

Re: Replacement for Dynamic steplib program

2010-02-01 Thread Arye Shemer
Thanks for remind me CBT. It slip off my mind. Arye. On 30 January 2010 19:24, Bob Shannon wrote: > If the dynamic steplib that stopped working was STEPLIB, an updated version > that works with 1.11 (and earlier) is available on the CBT Tape. > > Bob Shannon >

Re: Replacement for Dynamic steplib program

2010-01-30 Thread Bob Shannon
If the dynamic steplib that stopped working was STEPLIB, an updated version that works with 1.11 (and earlier) is available on the CBT Tape. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Replacement for Dynamic steplib program

2010-01-30 Thread Arye Shemer
Hello forums, I am looking for replacement for the old dynamic Steplib program that stop working in the last release of z/OS. I tried the TSOLIB command, but it seems rather limited (ex: must be used in the READY, not under ISPF). Thanks, Arye Shemer

Re: Old 5798-DZW Dynamic STEPLIB Facility

2008-07-14 Thread Pedro Vera
You should be able to do what you want with the TSOLIB command that is part of TSO. It is somewhat awkward to use though (not within ISPF and not from a REXX program), but as I recall, STEPLIB also had some restrictions. My logon exec does my setup then uses QUEUE to run TSOLIB command after

Re: Old 5798-DZW Dynamic STEPLIB Facility

2008-07-11 Thread Knutson, Sam
nt: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:19 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Old 5798-DZW Dynamic STEPLIB Facility Greetings, Does anyone have manuals on this that they can send me? I am trying to understand the structure and interfaces of the product. Is anyone still running this? If so, what is t

Old 5798-DZW Dynamic STEPLIB Facility

2008-07-11 Thread Michael Cleary
Greetings, Does anyone have manuals on this that they can send me? I am trying to understand the structure and interfaces of the product. Is anyone still running this? If so, what is the highest level of z/OS that you run it on? Cheers... Michael ---