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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Timothy Sipples
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 7:50 AM
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Subject: Re: mainframe = superserver
SNIP
... Microsoft Exchange servers are not supported on z/OS nor am I aware
The company is call Bynari.
http://www.bynari.net/
/Tom Kern
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 09:33:59 -0400, Thompson, Steve
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm trying to remember who it is, it may be Sine Nominae (Latin for no
name?) has a product called Binarii (?). At an IBM school I went to, it
was said to
Jack Adama [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06/10/2007 07:09:44 AM:
The servers are a variety of domain controllers, file, print, web, SQL,
IIS, and Exchange servers. The company will NOT move to Linux. There
was a huge debate over this last year. The only good that came from it
was if users
[snip] Is there a medium to large IBM box that can run a couple
hundred of virtual windows 2003 servers? And said box can scale up to
approximately 1000+ virtual windows servers? [snip]
I am doing research for the possible replacement of 200+ windows
server in our datacenter. We
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/06/2007
at 10:16 PM, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I respect you but I got this from a excellent source (IBM type person
who has been a friend of 30+ years).
Could that have a been a non-defunct product called something like
WinU, originally written to support
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/06/2007
at 07:04 PM, Dave Kopischke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
I was reading a few weeks (or months) ago that someone actually did
boot a windows server under LINUX.
Possibly under a VM application on Linux; certainly not directly on
Linux. Also, that would have been
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 06/07/2007
at 11:55 AM, Thompson, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Didn't IBM wait until there was a clear definition of what a system
that claimed to be a UNIX system did before implementing it?
There were two competing definitions; IBM had to document the
deviations
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 06/07/2007
at 12:37 PM, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Some instructions on the zSeries are patent protected. That means
that writing any code or making any hardware which has an identical
effect, regardless of how it is done, can only be legally done if the
On Jun 8, 2007, at 12:31 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 06/06/2007
at 10:16 PM, Ed Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I respect you but I got this from a excellent source (IBM type person
who has been a friend of 30+ years).
Could that have a been a non-defunct
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:31:23 -0300, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
Could that have a been a non-defunct product called something like
WinU, originally written to support a windoze API on a Unix platform?
If so, it required a recompile of the application to match the
platform.
That would be
On Fri, 2007-06-08 at 17:18 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote:
http://www.bristol.com/windu/features.htm
Can't tell if it's defunct or not. The web page is dated 2004.
Oh, it would be defunct.
Bristol had a source licensing agreement with M$ost, and sued for a
couple of hundred million when M$oft
Craddock, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorry, my rant was not clear. Operating systems in particular have
pretty significant dependencies on the instruction set architecture. It
is just impossible to run a Microsoft Windows operating system (binary)
on anything that isn't a faithful implementation of
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What is not possible, that it was IBM or Amdahl did it?
Sorry
In a message dated 6/7/2007 1:22:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Or that someone could write an intel emulator that would allow windows to
run on zSeries?
Might be absurd, but not impossible.
Yeah the bright folks at UCLA have had X/PL(and it's successors) for
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In a message dated 6/7/2007 1:22:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Or that someone could write an intel emulator that would allow
windows to
run on zSeries?
Might be absurd, but not impossible.
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In a message dated 6/7/2007 1:22:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
with FLEX and PSI.
Tom
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Ed Finnell wrote:
In a message dated 6/7/2007 1:22:12
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...
why not Windows as the next
environment to be hosted (in the broadest sense of the word) on
z/series?
Kees.
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Kees
snip
Now, please direct us to the equivalent statement
Ed Finnell wrote:
In a message dated 6/7/2007 1:22:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Or that someone could write an intel emulator that would allow windows to
run on zSeries?
Might be absurd, but not impossible.
If someone could write a S/390 emulator (example
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
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Kees
Didn't IBM wait until there was a clear definition of what a system
Tom Moulder wrote:
Mark
Think of all the legal ramifications. Something might could be done, but
would there be law suits that followed and attorneys who found their pockets
lined with money?
It might not work worth spit as CC so eloquently put it, but the lawyers
would have a field day as we
Sorry - no zSeries content.
The idea of an IBM platform acting as a consolidation target for n x 100
Windows servers is
not new, nor is it IBM's.
Perhaps a little more than a decade ago, Microsoft (and perhaps involving billg
in person)
realized that a very small but not ignorable fraction of
snip
To pick up on Tom Moulder: I'm not aware of _ANY_ involvement of FLEX or
Fundamental Software
in the _IBM_ versus _PSI_ lawsuit. Indeed, I've commented several times on
the deafening
silence from Fremont (and Ann Arbor).
unsnip
I did not mean to imply any involvement of FLEX in the
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Tom Moulder wrote:
Mark
Think of all the legal ramifications
snip
Some instructions on the zSeries are patent protected. That means that
writing any code or making any hardware which has an identical effect,
regardless of how it is done, can only be legally done if the
person/company doing the emulation has a patent license. The point is
that Intel may
On 7 Jun 2007 10:37:53 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (McKown, John)
wrote:
Some instructions on the zSeries are patent protected. That means that
writing any code or making any hardware which has an identical effect,
regardless of how it is done, can only be legally done if the
person/company doing
Subject: Re: mainframe = superserver
Ed G said
A reliable *RUMOR* several years ago said IBM (IIRC or was it AMDAHL)
had done it.
UTTER GARBAGE! AS IN NOT-FREAKIN-POSSIBLE.
CC
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It was Bristol. I remember something about them doing the port maybe to
run under VM.
-Rob
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:37:37 -0500, McKown, John
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
. . .
Some instructions on the zSeries are patent protected. That means that
writing any code or making any hardware which has an identical effect,
regardless of how it is done, can only be legally done if the
On 2007-06-05 22:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote concerning
mainframe = superserver to IBM-Main:
[snip] Is there a medium to large IBM box that can run a couple
hundred of virtual windows 2003 servers? And said box can scale up to
approximately 1000+ virtual windows servers? [snip]
I am
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I realize that this has probably been asked before, but google didn't
give me an answer. Before I asked my question let me state that I
know that windows
On Jun 7, 2007, at 9:56 AM, Tom Moulder wrote:
How soon we forget the lessons we have learned right here.
This could not possible be done by anyone for fear of infringinig
on Intel
or someone's patents during the emulation!
Why would we even think this? Especially since it would be IBM
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I realize that this has probably been asked before, but google didn't
give me an answer. Before I asked my question let me state that I
know that windows server 2003 and longhorn won't run on an IBM
mainframe. There is the endian issue and the ascii vs ebcidic
On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 19:47:25 -0400, John S. Giltner, Jr. wrote:
zSeries mainframes can NOT run Windows. That I am aware of, IBM is not
even trying. They can run Linux and a LOT of server functions that you
would use Windows for you can also use Linux.
I was reading a few weeks (or months) ago
Dave Kopischke wrote:
I was reading a few weeks (or months) ago that someone actually did boot a
windows server under LINUX. I don't recall the article stating it was on a
zServer, but it might be possible. I doubt it would be reasonable from a
performance standpoint though.
Yes, it was
On Jun 6, 2007, at 6:47 PM, John S. Giltner, Jr. wrote:
---SNIP-
zSeries mainframes can NOT run Windows. That I am aware of, IBM is
not even trying. They can run Linux and a LOT of server functions
that you would use Windows for you can also use Linux.
Ed G said
A reliable *RUMOR* several years ago said IBM (IIRC or was it AMDAHL)
had done it.
UTTER GARBAGE! AS IN NOT-FREAKIN-POSSIBLE.
CC
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I don't think that any single Intel based box out there today could
scale up to a few hundred virtual Windows boxes. I don;t know how many
virtual servers that VirtualPC can support. VMWare's ESX can now
support up to 128. So I don't think you you can get them all in a
single box.
You
Craddock, Chris wrote:
Ed G said
A reliable *RUMOR* several years ago said IBM (IIRC or was it AMDAHL)
had done it.
UTTER GARBAGE! AS IN NOT-FREAKIN-POSSIBLE.
CC
What is not possible, that it was IBM or Amdahl did it?
Or that somebody ran Exchange under Wine under Linux on a zSeries
What is not possible, that it was IBM or Amdahl did it?
Sorry, my rant was not clear. Operating systems in particular have
pretty significant dependencies on the instruction set architecture. It
is just impossible to run a Microsoft Windows operating system (binary)
on anything that isn't a
On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 21:43:04 -0400, John S. Giltner, Jr. wrote:
Craddock, Chris wrote:
UTTER GARBAGE! AS IN NOT-FREAKIN-POSSIBLE.
What is not possible, that it was IBM or Amdahl did it?
Or that somebody ran Exchange under Wine under Linux on a zSeries mainframe?
Or that someone could write an
On Jun 6, 2007, at 8:23 PM, Craddock, Chris wrote:
Ed G said
A reliable *RUMOR* several years ago said IBM (IIRC or was it AMDAHL)
had done it.
UTTER GARBAGE! AS IN NOT-FREAKIN-POSSIBLE.
CC
Chris:
I respect you but I got this from a excellent source (IBM type person
who has been a
To the original poster, what are these Windows servers running (what
middleware, applications, and/or services)? The answer to that question
will largely determine how well you can rationalize your now full data
center.
One major problem with Microsoft Windows is that it locks you into a
Chris Craddock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Exceptions? Yes, there was a version of NT
(3.something) that ran on the DEC ALPHA, but
that was done by Microsoft themselves and it's
long gone anyway.
There was also a PowerPC version that died
soon after Steve Jobs' return to Apple,
who ended the
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