Re: WLC, WLM and all the rest: how optimize them ? to Steve Samson

2007-09-21 Thread Max Scarpa
Tom, I meant here not in IBM-MAIN, for sure ! Apologies, but it wasn't my intention at all. Max Scarpa -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET

Re: WLC, WLM and all the rest: how optimize them ?

2007-09-21 Thread Richards.Bob
That one day is coming in 40 days, Shane. No worries, though. Something will come through. But to the point, I understand there are lots reasons why shops implement soft-capping. I contend that doing it using strictly this methodology could inhibit a revenue generating workload from meeting the

DFSORT order of processing: INREC vs. INCLUDE/OMIT

2007-09-21 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
I've been trying to extract and sort some records where a character form date field (Dddd) is found at two different positions in the input record, depending on some indicator in a fix position elsewhere. I thought I could 1.) copy the date field to the beginning of each record

HyperPAV devices (was: PLPA and COMMON PAGESPACE Size)

2007-09-21 Thread TISLER Zaromil
Jim Mulder wrote: snip It checks to see if you specified WLM PAV when you defined the device in HCD. Since WLM doesn't need to manage PAVs when the control unit has been told to use HyperPAV mode, our intention was that the specification of WLM PAV in HCD would be irrelevant for HyperPAV

Re: DFSORT order of processing: INREC vs. INCLUDE/OMIT

2007-09-21 Thread Norbert Friemel
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:34:08 +0200, Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote: Does anyone know for sure the order of INCLUDE vs. INREC? The manual only says that INREC can modify records before they are sorted, merged or copied.

Re: DFSORT order of processing: INREC vs. INCLUDE/OMIT

2007-09-21 Thread Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3)
Thanks, Norbert. It seems I didn't do a good job on searching the manual. -- Peter Hunkeler CREDIT SUISSE -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET

Re: PSF Printer

2007-09-21 Thread Jack Kelly
snip We are considering using PSF over IP to run IBM 6500 printers snip The line mode migration exit makes the implementation verot much of a printing shop, so there's not a lot of different/complicated stuff. JES2 parms /* DEFINE A FUNCTIONAL SUBSYSTEM FSS FOR PSF FSS(FSSPSF)

Re: QWS3270

2007-09-21 Thread Alfred Gaiani
I am using the freeware version of QWS3270, specifying actual IP addresses. 2 of my co-workers are successfully using Cisco VPN software and QWS3270 to connect to the mainframe. They are also using the same internet provider, ATT. They are using an older version of the VPN software, but I do not

PSF Printer

2007-09-21 Thread Matt Dazzo
We are considering using PSF over IP to run IBM 6500 printers, we are zOS1.7. I am looking to see if anyone is using this and how it is working out. Along with that considering using the line mode migration feature to automatically load FCB and page def information, looking for feed back from

Re: JAVA un z/OS

2007-09-21 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GAVIN Darren * OPS EAS Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 6:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: JAVA un z/OS Something to Remember, Java is a Byte Code (two bytes actually)

Re: JAVA un z/OS

2007-09-21 Thread McKown, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GAVIN Darren * OPS EAS Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 6:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: JAVA un z/OS Something to Remember, snip Additionally in the case of

JES2 $TI or $SI command on initiators over initiator 99 return invalid

2007-09-21 Thread Patrick . Falcone
I need to pull out my WLM Managed Initiators to prepare for the outsourcer. In preparation, in testing, when we issue a $TI or $SI for initiators after initiator 99 I get $HASP650 IA0 INVALID OPERAND OR MISPLACED OPERAND. Anyone hit a similar problem or have a solution, we are at z/OS

Re: PSF Printer

2007-09-21 Thread Ron Wells
We do the PSF to 6500's and 2105's and micr IBM printersconverted from 3900 and 4300's impact's. email off line and will send you proc's --- APSPROC I use ...was a couple of setup fdef's/pdef's I had to adjust but fcb's used on label was a little sticky..

Re: JAVA un z/OS

2007-09-21 Thread David Andrews
On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 16:15 -0700, GAVIN Darren * OPS EAS wrote: No matter how much you try and tune Java, or listen to Java Only folks explain that it's just as fast. It simply is not, at best it is only marginally faster then running REXX in interpretive mode. You overlook the Just-In-Time

Re: JES2 $TI or $SI command on initiators over initiator 99 return invalid

2007-09-21 Thread Patrick . Falcone
Man, I hate replying to my own questions. Our ops guys figured that you need paren's around the actual initiator *after* initiator number 99. Hopefully the formatting of the commands below comes out. $SI99 $HASP892 INIT(99) $HASP892 INIT(99) STATUS=STARTING,CLASS=, $HASP892

Re: Can't find Page Volume

2007-09-21 Thread Mike Feeley
I found the problem. It is with a software product called Performance Essentials. It is a VSAM optimizer. It had an issue when writing the status record to the PAGE dataset. The vendor had a fix (PSP30420). It was applied and now it works. I discovered this when I could create a valid

Re: WLC, WLM and all the rest: how optimize them ? to Steve Samson - errata corrige

2007-09-21 Thread Max Scarpa
Hi Steve and thank you a lot for replies. 1) I suspected it as regards service class not reaching its goal. I suspected that the work was not set aside from what I understood (and from the calculation I imagine WLM does) as this could complicate WLM or make WLM algorithms 'weak' . So you say

Re: PLPA and COMMON PAGESPACE Size

2007-09-21 Thread Mike Feeley
Thanks for all of the good discussions. What I am reading here is that the only need to size the PLPA and COMMON is to save DASD space. If you have the DASD space, then just allocate a 2GB (combined PLPA and COMMON) page datasets and be done with it, until 64 bit addressing arrives. One

Re: WLC, WLM and all the rest: how optimize them ? to Steve Samson

2007-09-21 Thread Steve Samson
Max, I realize that I did not fully answer your second question: since passage through periods is based on service accumulation, a unit of work (batch job) accumulating only initiator delay (no service) will stay in first period until it is fully in the system and receiving CPU and I/O

JES2 Datasets in MasterCatalog

2007-09-21 Thread John P Donnelly
LLA and LNKLST no longer require datasets in mastercatalog… Does JES2, or may we use a unit and volser? John Donnelly z/OS Systems Services National Semiconductor Corporation 2900 Semiconductor Drive Santa Clara, CA 95051 PH: 408-721-5640 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: JES2 Datasets in MasterCatalog

2007-09-21 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:08:47 +, John P Donnelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LLA and LNKLST no longer require datasets in mastercatalog Does JES2, or may we use a unit and volser? I assume you are referring to JES2 PROCLIBs. JES2 has always supported proclib data sets that were not cataloged in

Re: WLC, WLM and all the rest: how optimize them ? to Steve Samson - errata corrige

2007-09-21 Thread Gerhard Adam
I suspected that the work was not set aside from what I understood (and from the calculation I imagine WLM does) as this could complicate WLM or make WLM algorithms 'weak' . So you say that there's a waste of system resources that are used to (try to) reach the given goal as it will never be

Re: DFSORT order of processing: INREC vs. INCLUDE/OMIT

2007-09-21 Thread Frank Yaeger
Peter Hunkeler wrote on 09/21/2007 02:34:08 AM: I've been trying to extract and sort some records where a character form date field (Dddd) is found at two different positions in the input record, depending on some indicator in a fix position elsewhere. I thought I could 1.) copy the

Re: JES2 Datasets in MasterCatalog

2007-09-21 Thread John P Donnelly
Mark, thankyou... John Donnelly z/OS Systems Services National Semiconductor Corporation 2900 Semiconductor Drive Santa Clara, CA 95051 PH: 408-721-5640 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mark Zelden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 8:18 AM To:

Re: JAVA un z/OS

2007-09-21 Thread Ray Mullins
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Friday, 21 September, 2007 06:13 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: JAVA un z/OS -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: PSF Printer

2007-09-21 Thread Chris Mason
Ron That's the way with labels, they can be a little sticky. Chris Mason - Original Message - From: Ron Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 3:26 PM Subject: Re: PSF Printer We do the PSF to 6500's and

Re: WLC, WLM and all the rest: how optimize them ?

2007-09-21 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 05:27:57 -0400, Richards.Bob wrote: But to the point, I understand there are lots reasons why shops implement soft-capping. I contend that doing it using strictly this methodology could inhibit a revenue generating workload from meeting the needs of the customer.

RES: JES2 Datasets in MasterCatalog

2007-09-21 Thread ITURIEL DO NASCIMENTO NETO
If your system is zOS 1.2 or above you can specify your proclibs in JES2PARM using PROCLIB statment. Atenciosamente / Regards / Saludos Ituriel do Nascimento Neto Banco Bradesco S/A 4254/DPCD Alphaville Engenharia de Software - Sistemas Operacionais Mainframes Tel: 55 11 4197-2021 Fax:

Re: WLC, WLM and all the rest: how optimize them ? to Steve Samson - errata corrige

2007-09-21 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:20:36 -0400, Gerhard Adam wrote: I suspected that the work was not set aside from what I understood (and from the calculation I imagine WLM does) as this could complicate WLM or make WLM algorithms 'weak' . So you say that there's a waste of system resources that are

Re: WLC, WLM and all the rest: how optimize them ?

2007-09-21 Thread Edward Jaffe
Dave Kopischke wrote: As your workloads increase, the lull periods decrease and you no longer see that ablity to run at 90 - 100% of capacity (We've had a really hard time trying to chart this and understand it from a forecasting standpoint). This is the point where you're running out of

Re: PLPA and COMMON PAGESPACE Size

2007-09-21 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Mike Feeley said: One other point of interest that I have read about is the different between the PLPA and the COMMON page dataset when it comes to storage protection. PLPA is READ and COMMON is READ/WRITE. Can this lead to potential storage overlays? For example, the 1 cylinder PLPA situation

Re: WLC, WLM and all the rest: how optimize them ? to Steve Samson - errata corrige

2007-09-21 Thread Ted MacNEIL
It's not clear to me if the whole service class will be ignored or just the JOB or task that cannot achieve its goal will be ignored though. WLM always works at the service class aggregate. That's why a sparsely populated S/C is doomed. - Too busy driving to stop for gas!

Re: PLPA and COMMON PAGESPACE Size

2007-09-21 Thread Mike Feeley
So, the PLPA pages residing in the COMMON page dataset (from overflow condition) will have the page protection bit on also as if they were residing in the PLPA page dataset? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access

Re: PLPA and COMMON PAGESPACE Size

2007-09-21 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 09/21/2007 02:49:26 PM: So, the PLPA pages residing in the COMMON page dataset (from overflow condition) will have the page protection bit on also as if they were residing in the PLPA page dataset? Yes, they will. Jim Mulder

Re: RES: JES2 Datasets in MasterCatalog

2007-09-21 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:29:32 -0300, ITURIEL DO NASCIMENTO NETO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your system is zOS 1.2 or above you can specify your proclibs in JES2PARM using PROCLIB statment. I mentioned the PROCLIB statement in my last post. The use of PROCLIB statements instead of JCL in the

Re: PLPA and COMMON PAGESPACE Size

2007-09-21 Thread Wayne Driscoll
Yes, The page dataset that the slot is loaded into storage from doesn't matter. Remember that the page table for PLPA/COMMON never gets paged out, just the page itself. Wayne Driscoll Product Developer JME Software LLC NOTE: All opinions are strictly my own. -Original Message- From:

Re: PLPA and COMMON PAGESPACE Size

2007-09-21 Thread Veilleux, Jon L
Mike Feeley: So, the PLPA pages residing in the COMMON page dataset (from overflow condition) will have the page protection bit on also as if they were residing in the PLPA page dataset? The Page Protection bit gets set in the Page Table Entry by the OS when PLPA is built. The page table is

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Re: Sort question

2007-09-21 Thread Rajeev R Ojha
You may try this out Use ICETOOL TOOLIN COPY from Rawin to INVDATA using CTL1 COPY FROM RAWIN to FINAL using CTL2 COPY FROM INVDATA TO FINAL USING CTL3 COPY FROM RAWIN TO FINAL USING CTL4 CTL1CNTL OUTFIL FNAMES=INVDATA

Re: Sort question

2007-09-21 Thread Frank Yaeger
Rajeev wrote on 09/21/2007 11:48:32 AM: You may try this out Use ICETOOL TOOLIN COPY from Rawin to INVDATA using CTL1 COPY FROM RAWIN to FINAL using CTL2 COPY FROM INVDATA TO FINAL USING CTL3 COPY FROM RAWIN TO FINAL USING CTL4 ...

Re: IBM Releases Office Desktop Software at No Charge to Foster Collaboration and Innovation

2007-09-21 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 09/19/2007 at 12:26 PM, Anton Britz [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: So IBM is giving up on the Lotus Notes race and now declaring all their software as Open Source I wish. I'd settle for providing source to licensees. IBM is still very much OCO on the mainframe side.

Re: WLC, WLM and all the rest: how optimize them ? to Steve Samson - errata corrige

2007-09-21 Thread Gerhard Adam
It's not clear to me if the whole service class will be ignored or just the JOB or task that cannot achieve its goal will be ignored though. Yes, the entire service class is ignored by the Skip Clock setting. What isn't so clear is what the status of resources is that are owned by this

Re: WLC, WLM and all the rest: how optimize them ?

2007-09-21 Thread Richards.Bob
Dave, Ed Jaffe spoke quite nicely about the IPLA impact as long as your shop has signed the IPLA sub-capacity agreement. If not, upgrade fees are immediately due based on purchased capacity, soft-capped or not. I believe it is the responsibility of capacity planners to make sure there is

Re: WLC, WLM and all the rest: how optimize them ?

2007-09-21 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:53:44 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote: Dave Kopischke wrote: As your workloads increase, the lull periods decrease and you no longer see that ablity to run at 90 - 100% of capacity (We've had a really hard time trying to chart this and understand it from a forecasting

Re: WLC, WLM and all the rest: how optimize them ?

2007-09-21 Thread Richards.Bob
Dave, Feel free to give me a call. Bob Richards VP, Enterprise Technologist - - Enterprise Technology Infrastructure- - Mainframe Services Capacity Performance Mgmt - - Office: 404-575-2798

Re: WLC, WLM and all the rest: how optimize them ?

2007-09-21 Thread Edward Jaffe
Dave Kopischke wrote: How can I tell what my entitlement is As far as I know, we're entitled to the full capacity. But I don't know how that part is set nor negotiated. If you haven't been paying software upgrade charges to IBM, then your shop might not be using sub-capacity pricing

Open 3270 connection on the net??

2007-09-21 Thread Jim Harrison
I was Googling for some MQ information this afternoon and happened upon a state IT website. Since it was a state I've often thought of moving to, I began browsing further to look at job postings and tried to find out where they were physically located. Somehow I came upon a link for HOD and

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Re: Open 3270 connection on the net??

2007-09-21 Thread Pommier, Rex R.
My first reaction would be to go back to their web site and try to find a security individual or IT director level person and try to tell them about the hole. I know I wouldn't want that hole in MY state's system (or my company's)! If it was there, I'd want to know about it. Rex -Original

Re: Open 3270 connection on the net??

2007-09-21 Thread Gerhard Postpischil
Jim Harrison wrote: to click it. Lo and behold, I got the VTAM logon screen for their z/os system! My question is, is this common? I can see doing it via a VPN, but open to the public? Granted, guessing their applids, userIDs This could be a huge exposure, or it could be the safest

Re: Open 3270 connection on the net??

2007-09-21 Thread Ed Finnell
In a message dated 9/21/2007 7:46:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This could be a huge exposure, or it could be the safest thing in the world, as these things go. I once worked for a company that had open access. They also had an egg-shaped device for each user,