No, there is no standard gap between End of Marketing and End of Support.
However, there are standard minimum times between announcement of EoS and
actual EoS.
To pick a random example, the IBM 3420 Model 6 (3420-006) tape drive was
announced on March 7, 1973. It was withdrawn from marketing on Oc
>You forgot the 5840 - an even slower 580.
I never forgot that one.
I was a capacity analyst at the Ontario Government when that came out.
What a broo-ha-ha.
Many heads rolled, and it took a year before Amdahl 'fessed up.
We got a 5860 out of it, at no additional cost.
Of course, does anybody rem
You forgot the 5840 - an even slower 580. The 580 series had three levels of
"micro-code" (I define micro-code in this context as software that runs on the
machine that the customer can not get to (display/alter/etc.) - that to the
customer, appears to be part of the hardware; in this broad defini
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/02/2008
at 08:58 AM, John McKown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>May well be. From my admitted limited understanding, microcode was more
>like RISC code.
Perhaps on some processors. For the big boys, the only connection with
RISC was that each control word executed in
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/02/2008
at 09:18 AM, Edward Jaffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>"BookManager Build for Windows" is flat-out no longer supported by IBM
>and will not work with the latest word processor and Java releases. We
>have to keep old versions of these around--even old, dedic
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:53:25 -0500, Anne & Lynn Wheeler wrote:
>
>An earlier genre was macrocode that was introduced on 5880
> basically a flavor of modified 370 that ran in special mode. It was
>used to implement hypervisor on 5880.
More precisely, Macrocode was implemented on the 580 series,
Why wouldn't you just use the z/VM V5R4 bookshelf?
Here's how to find it:
1) Go to the z/OS Internet library Web page (includes links to z/VM and
z/VSE manuals, too) at:
http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/
2) Once there, click on the Bookshelf titles and filenames link under the
Edward Jaffe wrote:
> The point is, having access to IBM's instruction timings document
> would save us much time. And, the information provided would be
> guaranteed accurate by the hardware manufacturer.
Well right there is why you ain't ever going to see such a document ;-)
Shane ...
---
+1 for BookManager. And I'm one of those Mark referred to as filling
out the survey at Share.
Seems it's geting harder to get manuals, not easier. I needed some z/VM
5.4 manuals recently. All I could find (that was usable) was a web page
with a table of pdfs. Knocked up a script to cycle through t
When I can access PDF from TSO/ISPF I'd be willing to drop the need for
Bookmanager format books. If I'm working a problem (either in house or
in a DR) I need the doc where I'm working and not rely on connectivity
to other platforms (either in house or externally at IBM).
Jerry Whitteridge
Mainf
AND with FTP/TLS -- No unsecured (in clear) credentials allowed to
access the mainframe so native FTP is disallowed and the Librarian
product only uses in clear.
Jerry Whitteridge
Mainframe Engineering
Safeway Inc
925 951 4184
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
If everything seems under control, you're just not g
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John McKown) writes:
> On the current machines, there are two classes of instructions. The
> "simple" instructions (like SR and LA and so forth) are "hard
> wired". The more difficult instructions (such as MVCLE) are
> "millicoded". So, if you can replace a millicoded instruction
Would it help if we stop calling it "BookMangler" ? :-)
Seriously, I am a big fan of the Book Manager format and would be lost
without it. I find the TSO interface particularly useful, especially
when looking up messages and codes.
Please remember that not all shops allow their programmers to ha
In a message dated 12/2/2008 2:24:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ed has a good memory. G4 was the first to use it.
>>
Was that the one that farkled up the TRUNC(BIN) and was slower than the G3?
Ugh, must be the tryptophanThink Cheryl had some other observations
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:25:06 -0600, Anton Britz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>SAm,
>
>How many people attended this thing ?
>What was the best thing you heard ?
>Which "speech" got the most attention ?
>
>Was it all worth it , to go there and listen to all the "Ra Ra"..
>
>Anton
>
>On Tue, 2 Dec 2008
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:51:37 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/01/2008
> at 02:37 PM, Edward Jaffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
>>No more microcode since millicode took over circa 9672-G4?
>
>I'm pretty sure that I've seen IBM references to m
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
The last time I saw instruction timings, the manual didn't address the
pipeline and it still had complex formulae. I'm confident that assuming
the pipeline to be instantaneous would still leave the timing manual too
large to be of use.
The people that use this
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/01/2008
at 02:37 PM, Edward Jaffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>No more microcode since millicode took over circa 9672-G4?
I'm pretty sure that I've seen IBM references to microcode that were much
more recent than that.
John? Has IBM stopped using microcode in zSer
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/01/2008
at 10:33 PM, Edward Jaffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>The first several pages would have to explain the pipeline design and
>the delays that can occur. After that, specific instruction timings
>would have to assume the pipeline is flowing freely.
The last
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 12/01/2008
at 11:44 PM, Alan Altmark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>With instruction pipelining,
Even without pipelining there were serious complexities as far back as
S/370.
>Do try to use RI-format instructions like LOAD HALFWORD IMMEDIATE
>to avoid storage reference
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:51:30 -0600, Tom Marchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:19:26 -0600, John McKown wrote:
>
>>
>>Our DR person says that anything used at DR must be stored at Iron Mountain.
>>That is, we are not allowed to take anything in with us other than pens and
>>blan
Actually, with Softcopy Librarian, it is easy and practical to download
most every manual you need. I guess needing older versions is a
complication, but right now, I have z/OS 1.7 thru z/OS 1.10 at work and
1.7/1.9 on my laptop.
I do wish IBM would get BookManager upgraded to work on Vista someda
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:19:26 -0600, John McKown wrote:
>
>Our DR person says that anything used at DR must be stored at Iron Mountain.
>That is, we are not allowed to take anything in with us other than pens and
>blank paper. No USB devices, no documentation, zippo.
Iron Mountain can't store a USB
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:04:50 -0600, Tom Marchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:14:18 EST, Ed Finnell wrote:
>
>>Our DR plan included copies of 'current manuals' of all products. Usually
>>this was spun off on CDs
>>in whatever formats the vendor provided.
>
>These days a big ho
Mark Zelden wrote:
Would a few comments on IBM-MAIN help? I've been filling out surveys
at SHARE for the last 4 years indicating that I want to keep BookManager
format and almost every other sysprog and developer I know has been
doing the same thing. Haven't we made our case by now? Is anyone
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:14:18 EST, Ed Finnell wrote:
>Our DR plan included copies of 'current manuals' of all products. Usually
>this was spun off on CDs
>in whatever formats the vendor provided.
These days a big honkin' USB hard drive might be a better choice. You could
put a lot of other stuff
Following on from Peter Relson's question:
The IBM Advanced Linguistic Search Plug-in for Adobe may be used to
perform advanced full text searches on Adobe Portable Document Format
(PDF) files that have been enabled with the IBM Advanced Linguistic
Search Index.
Hi,
I agree with the "Investment banker" ... and disagree with the "Ims utility"
developer from Tom DeLay's country or the "Secession" state..
Buy the DVD and copied it all over the place.
The Advantage of the PDF's ? Some how it's easier to print parts of a PDF.
BookManager does not or will
SAm,
How many people attended this thing ?
What was the best thing you heard ?
Which "speech" got the most attention ?
Was it all worth it , to go there and listen to all the "Ra Ra"..
Anton
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:55:41 -0500, Knutson, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>CA-WORLD had a very signif
On 2 Dec 2008 07:58:17 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John McKown) wrote:
>I think that Howard is saying that he is 60. It depends on what "that"
>refers to. I.e. at 6 yrs old, a year was 1/6. Now it is 1/10th of that (
>1/6th) or 1/60th.
To one significant digit. (My wife and I average that age)
Ps
In a message dated 12/2/2008 10:01:55 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
by far, and as others have said the ability to search across shelves as
well as books on a shelf is crucial. And the hits are usually right on
target.
>>
Our DR plan included copies of 'current manua
When working in custompac is there a way to tell if a previous zos system
install was a software upgrade or a complete system replacement? Thanks
--
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On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:51:15 -0500, Peter Relson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I would still appreciate your comments regarding "PDF-only" even if it
>applies only to potential subsequent releases.
>
Would a few comments on IBM-MAIN help? I've been filling out surveys
at SHARE for the last 4 years
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:56:34 -0600, John McKown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I think that Howard is saying that he is 60. It depends on what "that"
>refers to. I.e. at 6 yrs old, a year was 1/6. Now it is 1/10th of that (
>1/6th) or 1/60th.
>
Ok John. I got it now !
That's the problem sometimes wit
>- Because I need to view so many different versions of manuals,
>for different releases of IMS, z/OS, DFSMS, etc., it is not
>practical to download copies of all manuals to my work PC, home PC,
>laptop, etc., or to charge someone with doing the same on a
>company server.
>[snip]
>- Book Manage
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:44:49 -0600, Bruno Sugliani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:14:43 -0700, Howard Brazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>>On 1 Dec 2008 20:25:05 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Gutowski)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>You're spot on. 4 months seems like forever anymore.
>>
>
CA-WORLD had a very significant Mainframe focus.
Mainframe 2.0 was discussed from the CEO's keynote all the way down to
technical sessions by some familiar faces.
http://www.ca.com/us/products/collateral.aspx?cid=192430
http://www.ca.com/us/solutions/mainframe.aspx
http://www.itpro.co.uk/60
Anyone know if there is a standard for EOS date after withdraw from marketing?
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On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:14:43 -0700, Howard Brazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On 1 Dec 2008 20:25:05 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Gutowski)
>wrote:
>
>>You're spot on. 4 months seems like forever anymore.
>
>To me - time goes real fast anymore.When I was 6 years old, a year
>was a sixth of
In a message dated 12/2/2008 2:51:51 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
An instruction timings book is not intended for use by management.
>>
Think I told this before but we had a Prof who went to work for MASSSTOR in
Silicon Valley and one of the first things they tri
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:51:15 -0500, Peter Relson wrote:
>
>I would still appreciate your comments regarding "PDF-only" even if it
>applies only to potential subsequent releases.
I prefer bookmanager for everything except printing. When I only want to
print or copy/paste a small bit, I will often u
Colleagues,
My thoughts on the Book Manager versus PDF issue:
- Because I need to view so many different versions of manuals, for
different releases of IMS, z/OS, DFSMS, etc., it is not practical to
download copies of all manuals to my work PC, home PC, laptop, etc., or
to charge someone with doi
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:20:22 -0600, John McKown wrote:
>
>On the current machines, there are two classes of instructions. The "simple"
>instructions (like SR and LA and so forth) are "hard wired". The more
>difficult instructions (such as MVCLE) are "millicoded".
I don't know about MVCLE, but on t
On 1 Dec 2008 20:25:05 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Gutowski)
wrote:
>You're spot on. 4 months seems like forever anymore.
To me - time goes real fast anymore.When I was 6 years old, a year
was a sixth of a lifetime. Now it's 1/10th of that.
---
Howard Brazee wrote:
On 1 Dec 2008 14:39:00 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward
Jaffe) wrote:
AFAIK, there are three: hardwired, microcoded and millicoded.
No more microcode since millicode took over circa 9672-G4?
I know what the prefixes "milli" and "micro" mean. But this
> I would still appreciate your comments regarding "PDF-only" even if it
> applies only to potential subsequent releases.
I will add my USD$0.02 as well. Bookmanager is the best search engine
by far, and as others have said the ability to search across shelves as
well as books on a shelf is cru
Gerhard Postpischil wrote:
Edward Jaffe wrote:
An instruction timings book is not intended for use by management.
Agreed, but some managers consider any activity not directly related
to productive work (e.g., cranking out mindless code) to be suspect,
and grounds for discipline, unless of co
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:43:57 -0700, Howard Brazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On 1 Dec 2008 14:39:00 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward
>Jaffe) wrote:
>
>>> AFAIK, there are three: hardwired, microcoded and millicoded.
>>>
>>
>>No more microcode since millicode took over circa 9672-G4?
>
>I know what
On 1 Dec 2008 14:39:00 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward
Jaffe) wrote:
>> AFAIK, there are three: hardwired, microcoded and millicoded.
>>
>
>No more microcode since millicode took over circa 9672-G4?
I know what the prefixes "milli" and "micro" mean. But this seems
more like marketing.
Is the other end of the connection up?
Did somebody issue a $PNETSRV (? unsure of spelling w/o lookup)
anyone ever recv following msg after startup of NJE/IP link ??
IAZ0543I NETSRV6 TCP/IP connection with IP Addr: 10.239.53.121 Port: 175
Initiated
IAZ0543I NETSRV6 TCP/IP connection with IP
I would still appreciate your comments regarding "PDF-only" even if it
applies only to potential subsequent releases.
As one who spends a fair amount of time using BookManager, I would greatly
appreciate IBM retaining BookManager for the manuals. BookManager is
easier to navigate than PDF, at
Rick Fochtman:
>>As Bob Shannon noted, the initial z/OS 1.10 bookshelf did not have the
>>data areas books. IBM developers (and perhaps others) complained and
>>apparently now they do. There is no indication that this will
>>necessarily continue in subsequent releases.
>>I would still appreciat
Wrong subject
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anyone ever recv following msg after startup of NJE/IP link ??
IAZ0543I NETSRV6 TCP/IP connection with IP Addr
Edward Jaffe wrote:
An instruction timings book is not intended for use by management.
Agreed, but some managers consider any activity not directly
related to productive work (e.g., cranking out mindless code) to
be suspect, and grounds for discipline, unless of course it's
their idea to che
Jan Vanbrabant wrote:
> Any experiences with
> File # 542 Alastair Gray-replacement for MCNVTCAT, other tools
> on the CBT tape?
Alastairs is excellent. And if you find something it doesn't do,
it's (well documented) rexx.
Used it, liked it.
Shane ...
--
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:58:14 -0600, Peter Ten Eyck
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>If you can get a copy, the IBM program MCNVTCAT will read through
>IDCAMS listcat output. This program is very handy to make mass
>changes to a catalog.
The "free" MCNVCAT is no longer available & is being replaced by
I can't talk about HCD but I would observe that moving from a S28 to a S38
is just about sticking the third book in. It says nothing whatsoever about
adding CHARACTERISED / PURCHASED engines or changes in capacity.
By the way RMF now has the hardware model (eg S38) in Type 70. I asked for
it to
A parallel discussion on Bookmanager vs PDF is going on on Twitter right
now. It's a DB2-centric conversation but I've attempted to bring a z/OS
(corroborative) perspective to the discussion.
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