the slower cp is the measure and not the faster cp.
I would have said that the standard CP is the measure and not the
specialty engine but of course in today's world the two statements end up
the same since the standard CP is the slower one when there is a
difference..
I know that I tend to
the slower cp is the measure and not the faster cp.
I would have said that the standard CP is the measure and not the
specialty engine but of course in today's world the two statements end up
the same since the standard CP is the slower one when there is a
difference..
IMO, the base
Having just written a lengthy update, the new web interface tells me that 'a
server error occured' - all is gone. Next try.
Your graphic based on the number of engines online is a pretty clever idea.
But I was thinking that the number of online engines was just one way to
implement CoD. Do I
The answer is definitely number of CPUs times 60*10.
But another interesting question might be how many CPU seconds can I see
represented in control blocks and/or SMF records.
And the answer to that question will rely on whether you are running with
full-speed processors and have zAAPs/zIIPs
And the answer to that question will rely on whether you are running with
full-speed processors and have zAAPs/zIIPs since, depending on the control
block you are examining, time running on a zAAP/zIIP might be normalized
to the speed of the standard CP (hence multiplied). ASCBEJST is one such
Represent the capacity of each CEC in 'SU's'. Perhaps with a reference
line for the base configuration.
IMO, the base configuration would be:
N = # of Physical CPs
Rate - Capacity rating (per engine). E.G. -Y02 has less capacity
that -Z02. Relative processor ratios are available from
- Software MSUs are in really Marketing MSU's, in fact any other name
than MSU would make the situation more clear.
- Hardware MSUs are really hardware configuration denpendent, which
means that any variation in hardware will change the SU conversion
factor. Vary a CPU online and you have a
Barbara Nitz nitz-...@gmx.net wrote in message
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- Software MSUs are in really Marketing MSU's, in fact any other name
than MSU would make the situation more clear.
- Hardware MSUs are really hardware configuration denpendent, which
means that
, the idea was that SU's should be reproducable and comparable over
different configurations.
Too bad it was never realised!
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, the idea was that SU's should be reproducable and comparable over
different configurations.
Too bad it was never realised!
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Ted
Barbara,
You've got it exactly. I call each cp*interval an 'engine' and that is how I
do all my normal reporting to management. When you get right down to it when
they buy hardware, they buy it in engines, not as some x percent of the box.
Reporting to them in units they actually use just
CPU seconds can I consume per 10minutes?
..snip
I heartily dislike both MSUs and MIPS in any shape, form or size, as it does
not translate into something I can comprehend.
Having said that, I used yesterday's data from one of our boxes where the
current grafic from the type70PR records shows
Thanks for all the suggestions. I guess I didn't make myself clear enough
when I asked the question. I am NOT looking to show anything normalized,
quite the opposite. What I do want to show is absolute cpu seconds used,
with a horizontal line (bar, minibar, Unselectable Storage Segment :-) )
.
Hope this helps,
Jim Horne
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Subject: Re: How many CPU seconds can I consume per 10minutes?
Thanks for all
On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 04:07:30 -0500, Barbara Nitz wrote:
Found a website where Al Sherkow did the same calculation that I just did:
Multiply the SRM constant (as published by IBM- 20592,0206 SU/s) by 3600s.
This gets me 74.131.274,16 SU/h or 74MSU per hour.
74MSU per hour *per CPU*. Multiply by 6
In your note below you left out the number of engines as part of the equation
for hardware MSU.
Ah, the MSU is for one processor only, then! Only when I multiply the 74MSU
by the 6 processors that we have I arrive at 444 (instead of the quoted
339)., i.e. almost 31% more 'hardware MSU' than
Barbara Nitz nitz-...@gmx.net wrote in message
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In your note below you left out the number of engines as part of the
equation
for hardware MSU.
Ah, the MSU is for one processor only, then! Only when I multiply the
74MSU
by the 6 processors
Kees,
One small correction that I know you know but am documenting for other readers:
Software MSUs are not just marketing MSUs. Most software bills are based on
them.
Bob
Consider 2 other things to make it more complicated:
- Software MSUs are in really Marketing MSU's, in fact any other
Software MSUs are not just marketing MSUs. Most software bills are based on
them.
Unfortunately, that's true.
But, they are a marketing creation and, as such, have even less of a
relationship to reality than (so called) hardware MSUs.
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Ted MacNEIL
eamacn...@yahoo.ca
Twitter: @TedMacNEIL
Careful Ted, I'd hate to think of {some,any}-one in this business
becoming cynical.
Shane ...
On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 12:04:40 + Ted MacNEIL wrote:
Software MSUs are not just marketing MSUs. Most software bills are
based on them.
Unfortunately, that's true.
But, they are a marketing
Background: Traditionally, we have been reporting cpu usage for our box
normalized to 100% using the TYPE70PR SMF records. Unfortunately, when the
model of the box changes via CoD (or whatever it is called), you cannot even
*see* that the capacity has become bigger.
Using the total cpu seconds
60s*10*no.of.cps is correct no matter what the engine speed isn't it, for
CPU seconds? How much work gets done in those seconds will differ depending
on the engine speed though, e.g. a z10-604 and a z10-704 same amount of CPU
seconds, but the 704 will be processing more instructions, and if you
Patrick Loftus patrick.lof...@tnt.com wrote in message
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60s*10*no.of.cps is correct no matter what the engine speed isn't it,
for
CPU seconds? How much work gets done in those seconds will differ
depending
on the engine speed though, e.g. a
I am getting more and more convinced that Barbara must convert to SU's.
During CoD, the SU conversion factor is changed dynamically, so at each
moment, one should be able to determine the actual capacity of the machine.
The SU conversion factor is stored in many SMF records, so it will probably
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I am getting more and more convinced that Barbara must convert to
SU's.
During CoD, the SU conversion factor is changed dynamically, so at
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Background: Traditionally, we have been reporting
On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 06:22:38 -0500, Barbara Nitz nitz-...@gmx.net wrote:
Background: Traditionally, we have been reporting cpu usage for our box
normalized to 100% using the TYPE70PR SMF records. Unfortunately, when the
model of the box changes via CoD (or whatever it is called), you cannot even
] On Behalf Of
Barbara Nitz
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Subject: How many CPU seconds can I consume per 10minutes?
Background: Traditionally, we have been reporting cpu usage for our box
normalized to 100% using the TYPE70PR SMF records. Unfortunately, when the
model
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