Re: Google F1 was: Re: MongoDB

2013-10-17 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
leful...@sbcglobal.net (Lloyd Fuller) writes: And this product is called NOMAD from Select Business Solutions.  It has only been available since 1976 or thereabouts.   And you can even MIX hierarchical and RDBMS if you want. recent post in thread on cloud killing traditional hardware

Re: IBM now employs more workers in India than US

2013-10-17 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#47 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#61 NSA Revelations Kill IBM Hardware Sales In China http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2013/10/wolf-richter-nsa-revelations-kill-ibm-hardware-sales-in-china.html from above: But there was nothing to spin in

Re: IBM now employs more workers in India than US

2013-10-06 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
edgould1...@comcast.net (Ed Gould) writes: http://nypost.com/2013/10/05/ibm-now-employs-more-workers-in-india- than-us/ This reminds me of the comic strip Pogo: I have seen the enemy and he is us (or word to that effect). there were similar news from spring of 2012 ... and at the time had

Re: Quote on Slashdot.org

2013-10-06 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#36 Quote on Slashdot.org http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#38 Quote on Slashdot.org http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#41 Quote on Slashdot.org multics (5th flr, 545 tech sq) also managed to ship the first relational DBMS product.

Re: Is the zVM list defunct?

2013-10-04 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
nha...@ca.ibm.com (Neil Haley) writes: There still is a very active IBM VM list (The IBM z/VM Operating System ib...@listserv.uark.edu) note that while outbound ibm-main mailing list is gatewayed to usenet (and therefor also shows up in google groups becuase of the usenet archiving) ... its

Re: Quote on Slashdot.org

2013-10-03 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
shmuel+...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: Every generation believes that it invented sex. I won't guaranty that ALGOL 60 was first, but it was certainly before PL/I. this has some PL/I history http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL/I in the 70s ... lots of the languages were in

Re: Quote on Slashdot.org

2013-10-02 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne Lynn Wheeler) writes: for the fun of it I did a rewrite in pascal of a major portion of the VM370 kernel (done in assembler) ... and demonstrated it running (faster) in virtual address space interacting with a smaller vm370 kernel. part of the issue was that mainframe

Re: Quote on Slashdot.org

2013-10-01 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
jwgli...@gmail.com (John Gilmore) writes: What I think of Pascal and our disagreement are not themselves important; but such differences strongly suggest that discussions of the relative merits of different statement-level procedural languages is an all but futile undertaking unless the

Re: Work long hours (Was Re: Pissing contest(s))

2013-09-29 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
wjipho...@gmail.com writes: Only one week? that must be in the US. Here in Europe it is mostly at least 2 weeks. That requires you to document your stuff so that someone else can fix any problems that may arise with your products while your are away. Scary thought - maybe they actually can do

Re: Work long hours (Was Re: Pissing contest(s))

2013-09-29 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#16 Work long hours (Was Re: Pissing contest(s)) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#25 Work long hours (Was Re: Pissing contest(s)) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#31 Work long hours (Was Re: Pissing contest(s)) for other drift, part of the

Re: Work long hours (Was Re: Pissing contest(s))

2013-09-26 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za (Elardus Engelbrecht) writes: I have occassionaly done a full night work, especially during emergencies like botched installation, upgrade or big changes. as undergraduate in the 60s, the univ would shutdown the datacenter from 8am sat until 8am monday ... and let

Re: NSA foils much internet encryption

2013-09-24 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
ip4w...@gmail.com (J.P.) writes: Would just like to add what I've heared from several sources: Crypto is mostly solid, but implementations are weak. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#55 NSA foils much internet encryption http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#56 NSA foils much internet

Re: NSA foils much internet encryption

2013-09-24 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne Lynn Wheeler) writes: locations around the globe. As a result, I've periodically commented that even if the globe was buried under miles of information hiding encryption, that it would stop information leakage. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#10 oops, finger

Re: UK NHS £10bn project failure

2013-09-22 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013m.html#0 UK NHS £10bn project failure a little x-over from financial cryptography blog The Anatomy of an NSA intervention -- NIST RSA fingered as breached http://financialcryptography.com/mt/archives/001446.html from above: It is now almost good enough to

Re: UK NHS £10bn project failure

2013-09-21 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
jwgli...@gmail.com (John Gilmore) writes: I want to add, with as much urgency as I can muster, that high-security encryption must be used to provide this protection. No encryption scheme endorsed by Five Eyes provides any protection against them or indeed against similar Chinese groups. I,

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-17 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
Robert Wessel robertwess...@yahoo.com writes: While that's mostly true, the 3174, amongst other things, kept a copy of the terminal buffer in local storage (obviously for CUT mode devices only), and only sent updates down the wire. So the extra chattiness was largely a non-issue. That did

Re: Mainframe On Cloud

2013-09-16 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
shmuel+...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: If the count is exactly 258 the the loop is a single MOV with a repeat prefix. You need additional instructions if you don't know the length to be a multiple of 8. But your point remains valid, and is stronger if you look at the long

Re: NSA foils much internet encryption

2013-09-16 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
ip4w...@gmail.com (J.P.) writes: Maybe this gets their attention back? (hopefully few of the list usual readers also:) Been reading a bit on the subject, and one detail caught my eye... ... NSA is pushing ecliptic curves since 2009 as the next best thing (guess why;)

Re: NSA foils much internet encryption

2013-09-16 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#55 NSA foils much internet encryption other trivia ... ECC original invented Miller at IBM Yorktown http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_S._Miller followed by Koblitz at UofW http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neal_Koblitz Miller had been in the Yorktown 801

Re: Mainframe On Cloud

2013-09-15 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
kerne...@absoftwareconsultants.com (AbsKerneels) writes: You are assuming the following : a) You are talking and responding to an educated question/crowd b) That the mainframe can compete price wise with what DROPBOX's/Google Drive/YOUTUBE etc. etc. can do.. and I have not seen that any

Re: Mainframe On Cloud

2013-09-15 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#50 Mainframe on Cloud latest from IBM IBM launches NeXtScale, packs more cores in racks; Summary: The NeXtScale System can pack up to 84 x86 systems and 2,016 cores in a standard 19-inch one unit (1U) rack.

Re: Mainframe On Cloud

2013-09-15 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
jperr...@pacbell.net (Jon Perryman) writes: Comparing MIPS (or BIPS) for different platforms is useless where instruction sets are so diverse. While you say the E5-2600 is 10.5 times the BIPS of the z196, the reality is they are probably close to the same workload. Consider MVC versus MOV

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-13 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne Lynn Wheeler) writes: ... which saw little uptake until sysplex ... except for IMS hot-standby. The lack of uptake contributed to her not staying long ... however also there were the re-occuring battles with the communication group trying to force her into using SNA

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-12 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
Robert Wessel robertwess...@yahoo.com writes: The managed to reintroduce type-ahead on 3174s with the Entry Assists feature. A major change in the 3174s was a much faster CPU than in the 3274s, and a vast increase in memory, so there was room to add those features. The terminal itself, nor

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-11 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#20 Teletypewriter Model 33 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#21 Teletypewriter Model 33 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#22 Teletypewriter Model 33 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#23 Teletypewriter Model 33

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-11 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne Lynn Wheeler) writes: How ASCII Came About http://www.bobbemer.com/ASCII.HTM HOW ASCII GOT ITS BACKSLASH http://www.bobbemer.com/BACSLASH.HTM re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#33 Teletypewriter Model 33 for other drift Bob's history index http

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
ba...@mxg.com (Barry Merrill) writes: You have not lived until you have used a Texas Instruments Silent 700 at 300 baud to watch a SAS PROC PLOT, when you can see each and every dot being laid down, and definitely not left to right nor top to bottom, and not speedily. That was my TSO access

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
john.archie.mck...@gmail.com (John McKown) writes: I used keypunches in college. I then graduated to a hardcopy terminal, but not a KSR-33 or ASR-33. The school had some really nice DECWriters for the non-IBM DEC System 20. And 2741s for the IBM. I adored the 2741s, which were basically an IBM

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com (Tom Marchant) writes: And in another post he mentioned MTS (Michigan Terminal System), written to run on the System/360 model 67. In MTS the terminal driver was called TSFO. I've been told that its name was an acronym for Twenty Seven Forty One. How about that for

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
ba...@mxg.com (Barry Merrill) writes: Did you have the same fun and games I had with Southwestern Bell, during the 70s-80, as each time I got a faster modem, I was the first customer with that speed, and their engineers had to come out and measure which of my 6 lines was sufficiently quiet to

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#20 Teletypewriter Model 33 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#21 Teletypewriter Model 33 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#22 Teletypewriter Model 33 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013l.html#23 Teletypewriter Model 33 the cp67 changes i did at the

Re: Teletypewriter Model 33

2013-09-09 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
gerh...@valley.net (Gerhard Postpischil) writes: The installations I worked at offered Wylbur, as it was much more productive. On our 360/65, IBM had a recommendation to keep active TSO users below 10-12; by comparison, Wylbur could handle several dozens without degradation in response. Also

Re: DASD, Tape and other peripherals attached to a Mainframe

2013-08-23 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
quasar.chunawa...@gmail.com (Quasar Chunawala) writes: I work as an application programmer with a leading bank on CICS/Cobol for the past 4 years. Whilst I know, that data on the mainframe is stored on disks and tapes, I have never walked in to a data-center. At any mainframe data-center, what

Re: OT? IBM licenses POWER architecture to other vendors.

2013-08-08 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
shmuel+...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: The wiki chip articles since at least Z196 have been about the entire processor complex rather than about the chips themselves. I wish that some of the IBM chip designers would be willing to take on the task of editing those articles.

Re: OT? IBM licenses POWER architecture to other vendors.

2013-08-07 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
john.archie.mck...@gmail.com (John McKown) writes: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTQzMDM Kind of interesting. Hope people don't mind the fact that it is not about the z. Folklore is that Apple moved to Intel because IBM decided to focus on servers and weren't keeping up

Re: Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues

2013-07-30 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#59 Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#60 Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#62 Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues also, as mentioned before ... part

Re: Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues

2013-07-29 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
kerne...@absoftwareconsultants.com (AbsKerneels) writes: Note: On the back of the last weeks Economist ? Oracle claims they can give you TWICE the performance at 33% of the cost of an IBM true BLUE solution. note that tpc benchmarks include total cost numbers per operation ... if the mainframe

Re: Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues

2013-07-29 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
mike.a.sch...@gmail.com (Mike Schwab) writes: Umm, isn't that the Internet? Mainframes, Servers, and PCs able to access almost anything. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013j.html#59 Mainframe vs Server - The Debate Continues major forces attempted to prevent it from happening ... and when

Re: IBM vs. Amazon for Cloud

2013-07-23 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
jcew...@acm.org (Joel C. Ewing) writes: If one were into wild conspiracy theories, then obviously the government spy agencies are trying to encourage expansion of the Amazon cloud services because they believe they will be able monitor everyone else's cloud activities more easily if they are

Re: Greenbar

2013-07-18 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne Lynn Wheeler) writes: not any I saw ... we use to feed 2741 terminals with greenbar paper reversed ... printing on the backside which was white. HONE systems ... some past posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone were setup shortly after 23Jun69 unbundling

Re: Future of COBOL based on RDz policies was Re: RDz or RDzEnterprise developers

2013-07-12 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#71 Future of COBOL based on RDz policies was Re: RDz or RDzEnterprise developers 2nd hand about testimony in the gov. legal action ... claim that top executive from one of the seven dwarfs testified that by the late 50s every computer company realized

Re: Future of COBOL based on RDz policies was Re: RDz or RDzEnterprise developers

2013-07-12 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
sipp...@sg.ibm.com (Timothy Sipples) writes: Power servers are a good example of a success. IBM is the leader in the distributed UNIX server market and by quite a margin. Yet rewind the clock a couple decades and *nobody* would have predicted that. IBM doggedly, persistently focused on

Re: Future of COBOL based on RDz policies was Re: RDz or RDzEnterprise developers

2013-07-12 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#71 Future of COBOL based on RDz policies was Re: RDz or RDzEnterprise developers http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#73 Future of COBOL based on RDz policies was Re: RDz or RDzEnterprise developers http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#74 Future of

Re: Future of COBOL based on RDz policies was Re: RDz or RDzEnterprise developers

2013-07-11 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
john.archie.mck...@gmail.com (John McKown) writes: Java initially runs intepreted JVM byte code. As the program runs, the JVM invokes a just in time compiler to transform the byte code into native z series instructions. As I understand it, the common back end that is being discussed for COBOL,

Re: Reader Comment on SA22-7832-08 (PoPS), should I?

2013-06-28 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) writes: I could picture a very 21st century, electronic PoP that presented an index to the detailed descriptions in the form of a table that could be sorted on name, on mnemonic, on hex opcode, etc. triva ... PoPs was one of first major IBM pub to move to CMS

Re: Theology question: Parameter formats

2013-06-28 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
jwgli...@gmail.com (John Gilmore) writes: The elephant in the room is being studiously ignored. The crucial objection to C's nul-delimited strings of 'conceptually unlimited' length has so far gone unmentioned here. They have been the all but exclusive foci of security breaches, thousands of

Re: Theology question: Parameter formats

2013-06-28 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) writes: You have, in the past, deprecated nanny languages, those which enforce compile time or run time validity constraints. Yet Wheeler is praising Pascal for so protecting against security breaches. It's as easy in C as in assembler to check for

Re: Jean Sammet quotation

2013-06-25 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
jwgli...@gmail.com (John Gilmore) writes: Sammet, Jean E. Brief survey of languages used for systems implementation. ACM SIGPLAN Notices. Vol. 6. No. 9. ACM, 1971. A Google Scholar search using Jean Sammet as the search argument yielded 768 references, a number of which any decently informed

Re: EBCDIC and the P-Bit

2013-06-21 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
rjkins...@hotmail.com (Roland Kinsman) writes: So, this is going to sound extremely naïve, but I wonder if having EBCDIC instead of ASCII helped make IBM mainframe OS less penetrable to hackers. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#3 Ported Tools - Unix 1) lots of attacks are

Re: EBCDIC and the P-Bit

2013-06-21 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#3 Ported Tools - Unix http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013i.html#10 EBCDIC and the P-Bit of course there was also some amount of rivalry between the 5th flr (multics) and 4th flr (cp/67). they (also) had a lot of very security oriented customers. recent

Re: EBCDIC and the P-Bit

2013-06-21 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
efinnel...@aol.com (Ed Finnell) writes: I remember the 'security paper' CIA published after MVS got B1 rating. There was a tuning paper that came out about the same time. One was green and one was yellow. Anyway, long story short, last paragraph in security report says if it's

Re: IBM commitment to academia

2013-06-20 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
gerh...@valley.net (Gerhard Postpischil) writes: Unless one is in the possession of detailed data, unlikely to become public, it is difficult to judge why a company makes decisions. It is doubtful that clinical kainophobia is pertinent; more likely factors are cash flow, risk aversion, sales

Re: DEC Demise (was IBM commitment to academia)

2013-06-20 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
jwgli...@gmail.com (John Gilmore) writes: Other, sublethal examples abound. John Cocke invented RISC as an IBM employee/fellow. IBM did not quite ignore it, but it was left to others to exploit it (as something more than a sea anchor to windward) until its much later reincarnation as

Re: IBM commitment to academia

2013-06-20 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
wayn...@gmail.com (Wayne Bickerdike) writes: When I left IBM my manager asked what I was going to work on. I told him, micro computers, non-IBM stuff, XENIX, CP/M, Apple IIs, Cromemco, Altos, Northstar. He said, I don't ever see IBM getting into those markets. A couple of years later the PC

Re: IBM commitment to academia

2013-06-19 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
jwgli...@gmail.com (John Gilmore) writes: The classic business-school analysis of DEC's misfortunes makes them an instance of the effects of disruptive technology: microprocessors replacing mnicomputers. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#76 DataPower XML Appliance and RACF

Re: Ported Tools - Unix

2013-06-19 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) writes: I hate EBCDIC! old reference that EBCDIC was one of the biggest goofs for 360 ... was supposed to have been ascii ... EBCDIC and the P-Bit (The Biggest Computer Goof Ever) http://www.bobbemer.com/P-BIT.HTM -- virtualization experience starting

Re: IBM commitment to academia

2013-06-19 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
shmuel+...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: It didn't help that the MVS address space was painfully small compared to the VAX. It wasn't until MVS/ESA that IBM caught up. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013h.html#76 DataPower XML Appliance and RACF

Re: IBM commitment to academia

2013-06-17 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
jwgli...@gmail.com (John Gilmore) writes: We are in a situation much like that of the atomic-energy industry some years ago. The original Hanford, Washington, gaseous-diffusion facility for the separation of uranium isotopes was designed by Enrico Fermi, slide rule in hand. It then came

Re: Why does IBM keep saying things like this:

2013-06-17 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
donb...@gmail.com (Don Williams) writes: It does not actually matter whether their systems are open or not; just different from IBM. Yes, the total cost is less expensive, because they are smaller. Yes, the cost per transaction is higher. However, the cost per transaction may be out weighted

Re: Vintage IBM Manuals

2013-06-17 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
stars...@mindspring.com (Lizette Koehler) writes: http://tk3.limewebs.com/Vintage_Manuals.html bitsavers has lots of manuals (and software) with some mirrors around the world http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/ 360 http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360 and 370 http://bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360 also share

Re: DataPower XML Appliance and RACF

2013-06-16 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
shmuel+...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: Yes, IBM used to give schools deep discounts without requiring that the systems be used only for classwork. education/univ discounts and programs were significantly cut back with the legal actions and the unbundling announced 23jun1969.

Re: Storage paradigm [was: RE: Data volumes]

2013-06-15 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne Lynn Wheeler) writes: In the transition from MVT to OS/VS2 (aka virtual memory), the same problem showed up. The original implementation involved putting a little bit of code to create 16mbyte virtual address space for MVT, but the major effort was hacking CCWTRANS (from

Re: Storage paradigm [was: RE: Data volumes]

2013-06-11 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
shmuel+...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: That's not the Multics model. The Multic model is that segment numbers are dynamically assigned as needed, and that in general two processes will use different numbers for the same segment. IBM had something similar in TSS, but

Re: Storage paradigm [was: RE: Data volumes]

2013-06-11 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne Lynn Wheeler) writes: it never made it as part of release product ... in part because of the bad rep that single-level-store got from the FS effort ... even though I could show 3times the throughput/efficiency compared to standard CMS filesystem (both CDF EDF

Re: Why does IBM keep saying things like this:

2013-06-08 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
edja...@phoenixsoftware.com (Ed Jaffe) writes: In every presentation I've seen where a statistic like this was presented, it was always qualified as business data. In that context, it implied data bases of core customer, account, transaction, billing, and inventory data (et al) maintained by

Re: I/O Optimization

2013-06-05 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
poit...@pobox.com (Don Poitras) writes: I don't know what IBM uses under the covers, but it's probably the same thing that SAS/C did. Calculate the CCHHR from the byte offset and use EXCP to read the block directly. No need to use POINT. FBS is guaranteed not to have any short blocks, so the

Re: Gives There a VM Discussion List?

2013-06-04 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
sthomp...@us.ibm.com (Steve Thompson) writes: I have been using google, and other search lists. The amount of false positive hits is astounding. What I am looking for is an equivalent to IBM Main for VM/CMS. The only link I found to such was for an entity in North Carolina that now gives

Re: Check out Moto X: Motorola reveals plans for ink and even pills to replace AL

2013-06-04 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
jcew...@acm.org (Joel C. Ewing) writes: If the final verdict has not yet been reached on whether or not there is any increased health risk from having a cell-phone transmitter next to your head for prolonged periods, the idea of having a permanent RF transmitter internally or attached to my

Re: Check out Moto X: Motorola reveals plans for ink and even pills to replace AL

2013-06-04 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
mike.a.sch...@gmail.com (Mike Schwab) writes: There are car thieves who get a pair of transmitters. One is held near the car and sends the car's query signal to the other receiver. The other receiver is near the person leaving the car. It get's the car's query and responds. This is sent

Re: JES History

2013-05-18 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
I took liberty of x-posting URL to (linkedin open) Old Geeks http://lnkd.in/YzVS6A and (linkeding closed) IBM Historic Computing note that NJE/NJI ... used left over entries in the 255 entry psuedo unit record table to define network nodes ... typically around 160 ... however the internal network

Re: SAS Deserting the MF?

2013-05-06 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
sipp...@sg.ibm.com (Timothy Sipples) writes: I must take issue with the BIPS measurement and the cross-architecture comparisons presented in this discussion. They're extremely misleading at best. MIPS and BIPS are perilous enough within zEnterprise capacity estimations, but they go haywire

Re: SAS Deserting the MF?

2013-05-06 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#5 SAS Deserting the MF? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#7 SAS Deserting the MF? http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013g.html#9 SAS Deserting the MF? one of the claims about x86 performance increase in BIPS over the past decade has been attributed to

Re: What Makes code storage management so cool?

2013-05-06 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
Dan Espen des...@verizon.net writes: z/OS still has LPA. The term for modules that are sharable is reentrant. Everything in LPA is _not_ mapped into every address space. Just the modules used. so LPA came up in one of my virtual memory arguments with the POK favorite son batch operating

Re: SAS Deserting the MF?

2013-05-05 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) writes: ... is killing traditional ... is a paraphrase of progress. In the 1950s you might have heard The electronic computer is killing traditional punched card tabulators. Or in the 1960s The transistor is killing traditional vacuum tube computers.

Re: Historical article re: Mainframes

2013-05-04 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
I reposted to a.f.c. and linkedin groups ... some comments one might claim that amdahl's clone was more IBM 360 than the 3081 Amdahl wanting to do ACS-360 http://people.cs.clemson.edu/~mark/acs_end.html but canceled because it would have advanced computing too fast, endangering IBM's control of

Re: Historical article re: Mainframes

2013-05-04 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com writes: The native FCS has complete I/O requests being sent down the outbound path effectively as data ... and then actual data occuring asynchronously ... with minimal end-to-end handshaking latency. This dates back at least to the work I did on HYPERChannel

Re: SAS Deserting the MF?

2013-05-04 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
mellonb...@yahoo.com (Bill Johnson) writes: If they are embracing x86 servers it seems to be a bad move. Isn't IBM trying to sell their x86 business? (to Lenovo) Mainly because the sales are dropping. all hardware sales ... and x86 has the lowest profit margin, however I.B.M., Missing

Re: Linear search vs. Binary search

2013-04-30 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
shmuel+...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: It may be true for simulation of the S/370 on Intel, but a real 370/168 handled it in the I-unit. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013f.html#65 Linear search vs. Binary search high-end machines were horizontal microcode with lots of

Re: Crypto Facility performance.

2013-04-27 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) writes: This is similar to credit card skimmers in ATMs. It's *theoretically* possible but entirely implausible that some such person replace the entire z with a counterfeit look-alike ... early in the century there was a large pilot deployment of EMV

Re: 'Hacking The Mainframe': What Hollywood Gets Wrong About Its Favorite Tech

2013-04-15 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) writes: LOL. Thanks. No, I really can't remember. Maybe too many illegal substances in the 1970's. I remember some of the places I bought time: Bayer in Emeryville, Central Bank Computer Bureau in Oakland, ..., but it was neither of those. (Man, those were

Re: Sequence Numbrs (was 32760?

2013-04-12 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
shmuel+...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: A normal reading of diff3 allows a 3 way merge would be that there are options to diff3 that cause it to perform the merge. Did you read it as diff3 creates output that you are allowed to feed into an external program in order to do

Re: Sequence Numbrs (was 32760?

2013-04-12 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) writes: Was your trivial program made available to end customers, or were they compelled to reinvent it? I've done most of these operations using SuperC with the UPDCMS8 option in place of your program; the UPDMVS8 option is practically worthless for

Re: Sequence Numbrs (was 32760?

2013-04-08 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
p...@voltage.com (Phil Smith) writes: I did an internal Brown Bag a year or so ago, in which I outlined the VM CNTRL/AUX/update theology, to a room full of bewildered-looking distributed folks. I did preface it with Obviously the following isn't going to change how we do anything, but it might

Re: 32760?

2013-04-07 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) writes: The PARMDD rules, like much of JCL, (will) fall squarely in category (2). Circa 1964, there was an excuse: IBM was in a desperate rush to get OS/360 out the door and into revenue. Things _should_ be different in the 21st Century. z/OS is vastly

Re: 32760?

2013-04-07 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) writes: Culture is a key here. IBM's background was in punched cards. IBM's strength in punched card tabulating is what transferred over to their success in computer data processing. They never forgot that. Many other computer systems' analog of the punched

Re: Relative price of S/370 AP and MP systems

2013-03-31 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
shmuel+...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_multiprocessing and 360/65MP (370MP) had (symmetric) shared memory but had dedicated channels on both processors. fully symmetric was simulated by having twin-tail controllers configured on

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

2013-03-20 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
jayare...@hotmail.com (J R) writes: Correct. Hardware Security Module is the more generic term. Host Security Module is the Racal/Thales offering. Many still use the term generically. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#1 IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube Last decade, I had

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-17 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne Lynn Wheeler) writes: http://people.cs.clemson.edu/~mark/acs_end.html re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013d.html#19 Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future end of above article has two sidebars ... one on multithreading and the other that some

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-17 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
shmuel+...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: When did LCS come out? I do google and many of the references are various of my old posts (either in this mailing list and/or in a.f.c. usenet group) mentioning ampex lcs box old ibm-main lcs disucssion (from 2008) archived at google

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-16 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
clementcla...@ozemail.com.au (Clem Clarke) writes: When the first IBM 65 was wheeled into Shell Oil Melbourne, I think it had 256K of memory. And I believe it did cost a million or so. Of course, it was made from core memory with real wires. Very expensive to thread those wires, I suspect!!!

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-16 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne Lynn Wheeler) writes: Later I would sponsor Boyd's briefings at IBM. Various of his biographies mention him doing stint in charge of spook base (about the same time I was at Boeing) ... claiming it to be a $2.5B windfall for IBM (nearly ten times renton). Boyd would

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-16 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
g...@gabegold.com (g...@gabegold.com) writes: My first year-end retirement account statement -- for 1971! -- listed my projected retirement date as the incredibly distant, unimaginable, science-fiction-like date of February 1, 2012. So back then at least TIAA-CREF understood time windows

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-16 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
l...@garlic.com (Anne Lynn Wheeler) writes: more detail here: http://people.cs.clemson.edu/~mark/acs_end.htm oops ... missing trailing l http://people.cs.clemson.edu/~mark/acs_end.html -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

Re: Y2K hacks

2013-03-16 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
edgould1...@comcast.net (Ed Gould) writes: Just wondered if anyone had heard of any other Y2K hacks? re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#90 Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future for other trivia ... somewhat tenuous long-winded relationship between IBM and

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) writes: Don't underestimate the future. The Y2K crisis might have been mitigated if more designers had said, Hey, pretty soon we're going to need 4-digit years. Let's provide them now. I made such a suggestion for a product we were working on in 1987.

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
edgould1...@comcast.net (Ed Gould) writes: I worked a DC in downtown Chicago in the 70's and 80's and we were supposedly 24X7 shop. We had power problems+ and we could not afford a UPS in fact at the time we would have needed a HUGE UPS to get us through power outages. I guess these were

Re: IBM Mainframe (1980's) on You tube

2013-03-14 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
arno...@us.ibm.com (Todd Arnold) writes: IBM had three channel-attached crypto units for the mainframes. 1977 – IBM 3845 DES encryption unit 1979 – IBM 3848 DES encryption unit - faster than the 3845, and added Triple-DES (yes, IBM already had Triple-DES in its products in 1979!) 1989

Re: Query for Destination z article -- mainframes back to the future

2013-03-14 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com (Martin Packer) writes: Interesting you mention Jupiter Project... ... In the late 1980's as a young SE I supported one of the Jupiter Council customers in their roll out of what something called Jupiter turned into: DFSMS. I'm wondering if your mentioned SSD was

Re: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all

2013-03-07 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013c.html#11 Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all more cobol related trivia ... other spin-offs from the science center were companies that started offerring cp67 as commercial online service ... recent post in a.f.c

Re: REFRPROT History Question

2013-03-03 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) writes: That matches my old recollection of an Old Timer's recounting his astonishment at having read a dump in which a Protection Exception appeared to have been taken on a fetch instruction. I believe (with no good evidence) that it was controlled by a

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