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that would be nice - but now with z13 and z13s proc
On 20/5/22 10:03, Tom Brennan wrote:
Since z/OSMF is written in java, then why can't that high-CPU work run
on another platform such as Power or x86, and then communicate with
the mainframe for the z/OS work (i.e. submit jobs or whatever it does
to run the actual installation). Or am I
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Similar to my test LPAR, 5 MSU's 8G (min for 2.4) one GP CPU a
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(IZUANG1 and IZUSVR1) on the sysplex.
Bob
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Similar to my test LPAR, 5 MSU's 8G (min for 2.4) one GP CPU and one
zIIP ALL SHARED - I can start IZUSVR1 (z/OSMF) but it really will
not
function in the real world, I just bring it up to test/validate
ma
our calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended
removal date
Similar to my test LPAR, 5 MSU's 8G (min for 2.4) one GP CPU and one
zIIPALL SHARED - I can start IZUSVR1 (z/OSMF) but it really will not
function in the real world, I just bring it up to test/validate maint or
a new install.
Car
ark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended
> removal date
>
> Similar to my test LPAR, 5 MSU's 8G (min for 2.4) one GP CPU and one
> zIIPALL SHARED - I can start IZUSVR1 (z/OSMF) but it really will not
> function in the real world, I just bring it up to test/
normal
>>>>> processors, IBM should be able to build a bit of microcode to use
>>>>> an unlicensed engine to run z/OSMF.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rex
>>>>>
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>>>>> From: IBM Mai
Similar to my test LPAR, 5 MSU's 8G (min for 2.4) one GP CPU and one
zIIP ALL SHARED - I can start IZUSVR1 (z/OSMF) but it really will not
function in the real world, I just bring it up to test/validate maint or
a new install.
Carmen
On 5/20/2022 11:47 AM, James C wrote:
I run it on a 5
I run it on a 5 msu test lpar 2828 1 cpu. Not the fastest but it works.
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Since z/OSMF is written in java, then why can't that high-CPU
work run on another platform such as Power or x86, and then
communicate with the mainframe
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Since z/OSMF is written in java, then why can't that high-CPU work
run on another platform such as Power
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Since z/OSMF is written in java, then why can't that high-CPU work
run on another platform such as Power or x86, and then communicate
be able to build a bit of microcode to use an
unlicensed engine to run z/OSMF.
Rex
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Of course a free zIIP would be the best solution. But that's a decision
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Since z/OSMF is written in java, then why can't that high-CPU work
run on another platform such as Power or x86
On Fri, 20 May 2022 at 07:59, Jay Maynard wrote:
> On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 6:09 AM Seymour J Metz wrote:
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> > Did the MP2000 and MP3000 simulate S/390 on x86 chips, use P/390
> > technology or use tailored hardware?
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> IIRC, the MP2000 used a P390, and the MP3000 used the P390E. In any event,
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Since z/OSMF is written in java, then why can't that high-CPU work run on
another platform such as Power or x86, and then communicate with the mainframe
for the z/OS work (i.e. submit jobs
Out of curiosity, what's the price of one zIIP these days?
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to build a bit
of microcode to use an unlicensed engine to run z/OSMF.
Rex
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On 19/05/2022 5:50 pm, Timothy Sipples wrote:
> That’s even more difficult to characterize, but (eyeballing it) 1000X
> must be too high.
Maybe... it's hard to find a good comparison over that length o
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Parwez Hamid
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AFAIK there is nore are no physical
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On 20/5/22 08:23, Andrew Rowley wrote:
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>> Having a zIIP gives you plenty of horsepo
Yes, but AFTER July 10th, you can no longer do that. What good will that do
for people who don't install until after that date, or that want to install the
next release when it comes out?
Brian
On Thu, 19 May 2022 07:50:33 +, Timothy Sipples wrote:
>Mike Schwab asked:
>>Doesn't IBM
Oh... don't give them ideas.
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On Friday, May 20th, 2022 at 7:33 AM, Tom Brennan
wrote:
> Since z/OSMF is written in java, then why can't that high-CPU work run
> on another platform such as Power or x86, and then communicate with the
> mainframe for the
Since z/OSMF is written in java, then why can't that high-CPU work run
on another platform such as Power or x86, and then communicate with the
mainframe for the z/OS work (i.e. submit jobs or whatever it does to run
the actual installation). Or am I thinking too far out of the box?
On
On 20/5/22 08:23, Andrew Rowley wrote:
Having a zIIP gives you plenty of horsepower for z/OSMF, and having
an IBM z15 gives you System Recovery Boost which gives you…plenty of
horsepower for z/OSMF at least during the first 60 minutes. (It’s the
z/OSMF startup that can take a long time on a
On 19/05/2022 5:50 pm, Timothy Sipples wrote:
That’s even more difficult to characterize, but (eyeballing it) 1000X
must be too high.
Maybe... it's hard to find a good comparison over that length of time.
But a Multiprise 2000 is in the original Pentium era.
A $1500 Lenovo boasts an Intel
Any possibility of licensing one zIIP on a z14 or earlier with zero
zIIPs so z/OS 2.5 z/OSMF installation method can be run once
installed?
On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM Timothy Sipples wrote:
>
> Mike Schwab asked:
> >Doesn't IBM also allow software capping to a lower capacity than the
>
Mike Schwab asked:
>Doesn't IBM also allow software capping to a lower capacity than the
>slowest uniprocessor through the operating system?
Yes, but usually you wouldn’t do that for IBM software licensing reasons.
That’s because the A01 capacity model uniquely qualifies for IBM zSystems Entry
I understand, but in this case the z13s is a supported processor for z/OS 2.5,
but is almost completely incapable of running z/OSMF. It can run z/OSMF, but
the response time is unacceptable. We finally got IBM to compare z/OSMF on a
z13s without any zIIP and they came back to say that the one
needed.
Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
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Doesn't IBM also allow software capping to a lower capacity than
On 18/05/2022 3:53 pm, Timothy Sipples wrote:
So over roughly 25 years it’s been about 3.5 to 98 PCIs as the minimum
available CP configuration, or about a 28X increase.
I did say "a small" system in the 1990s, not the smallest available. But
your 28X illustrates the point. Over the same
Doesn't IBM also allow software capping to a lower capacity than the
slowest uniprocessor through the operating system?
On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 5:54 AM Timothy Sipples wrote:
>
> Andrew Rowley wrote:
> >It would benefit customers, software vendors and IBM if IBM could get
> >these small systems
Andrew Rowley wrote:
>It would benefit customers, software vendors and IBM if IBM could get
>these small systems onto more reasonably sized hardware. We get a
>certain pleasure from extracting everything possible from a small
>system, but in reality it's not productive work.
That’s been
It's very sad that the IBM response to selling a smaller machine to sites based
on their needs is that they should get a bigger box or buy a zIIP. I don't
think that's really an acceptable response from IBM. Sadly, there really
isn't going to be any other option(s) provided. For my clients
On 17/05/2022 2:27 pm, Brian Westerman wrote:
What will be done for the smaller systems z13s level that only have 15MSU
(80MIP) in the entire box?
I have a certain sympathy with the z/OSMF developers. 80 MIPS was a
small system even back in the late 1990s wasn't it? Hardware limitations
due
Hi Gadi,
I'm going to give you some information. I'm not sure any of it will
necessarily help you, but at least you might be able to know what some options
are. You might already know this, and I apologize if I'm repeating information
you already know. There will not be any silver bullet, or
are we supposed to installed the next version of z/OS?
>
> Gadi
>
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Subject: Mark your calendars for July 10, 2022 - CustomPac intended removal date
Today, I have some important information that I’d like to share with you!
Originally
What will be done for the smaller systems z13s level that only have 15MSU
(80MIP) in the entire box? Nothing appears to have been done for the
excruciating amount of time it takes to perform the install compared to the old
packaged delivery. Will it still be order-able for those smaller
Today, I have some important information that I’d like to share with you!
Originally in July 2021
https://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=an=ca=gpateam=897=ENUS221-260
IBM announced that the Custompac (ISPF) installation method of ServerPac was
planned for removal in
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