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OK now Gilmore, that last sentence made my head spin. .more
coffee, more coffee...
On 2/4/2013 6:14 PM, John Gilmore wrote:
Working habits
Agreed.
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Not that anybody likely cares, but I don't mind
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote:
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On Mon, Feb 4
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That is: blind them with brilliance, in order to be alliterative. grin/
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If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullsh*t.
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: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur got good results by
framing a cloud bank with his lituus, I would applaud.
Pretentious abounds.
Communication's purpose is to communicate.
NOT to obsfucate!
If people don't understand you, it's not their fault
All this has become tedious.
I write as I think appropriate, and I shall continue to do so.
Dumbing down what I post in deference to the sensibilites of the
subliterate would be patronizing too.
As I have said before, those who do not wish to see what I write have
a simple, effective remedy
OK now Gilmore, that last sentence made my head spin. .more
coffee, more coffee...
On 2/4/2013 6:14 PM, John Gilmore wrote:
Working habits and methods vary widely. Results are crucial, the path
taken to reach them is not.
Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur
Not that anybody likely cares, but I don't mind use of unusual words,
so long as they are accurate. Would I use them? Perhaps so, perhaps
no. If I am really trying to explain something to a newbie, or a
non-native speaker, then I likely wouldn't. And I especially would not
if a person is having a
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 19:14:58 -0500, John Gilmore wrote:
Working habits and methods vary widely. Results are crucial, the path
taken to reach them is not.
Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur got good results by
framing a cloud bank with his lituus, I would applaud.
Sometimes one
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 10:08:25 -0500, John Gilmore wrote:
My experience with my children confirmed these notions. I never used
a subset of my vocabulary in talking with them, and in the upshot they
acquired my vocabulary early on.
I had the same thoughts, but decided posting them wasn't the best thing.
This thread, which I started, goes to show how off topic things can get around
here!
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Eric Bielefeld
Systems Programmer
Silvio Camplani sysp...@silvio.fastmail.fm wrote:
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Paul
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Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
When you see an English-language word in an IBM technical book that you do not
understand, do you complain to IBM via the reader's comment form that IBM are
[U.K.-speak] arrogant, pompous
Eric,
Yeah...agreed, but a they saw , the famous group they, everyone is entitled
than opinion, whether its appropriate or not is a a different story ...
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll
understand. - Chinese Proverb
In
caex7sazt7s8kx+ya-inai4xmsesustzf03o36otox5zaweg...@mail.gmail.com,
on 02/02/2013
at 10:20 PM, Len Rugen lenru...@gmail.com said:
I've only worked from for a few days at a time, for heath or
weather reasons. I think it should be ENCOURAGED when you think
you are sick enough to be
In a991022c-2455-4f66-be08-40f17e981...@comcast.net, on 02/02/2013
at 10:54 PM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net said:
I hate PDF's and BKS ... Especially when I am not sure exactly
what I am looking for. With a real manual I can put a finger in
the current location and go wondering about
The main problem is a way to mark up the BM or PDF versions so that
you can share the marked up text. Depending on the software used,
bookmarking may also be an issue. The Kindle reader can display PDF
and you can also do bookmarking and mark up. But it is difficult to
share those. Okular on Linux
John,
I have the same problem with PDFs , unless you spring for some pretty expensive
software to do that.
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll
understand. - Chinese Proverb
On Feb 4, 2013, at 12:13 PM, John McKown
IBM seems to do this quite a bit here in Chicago.
They are encouraged even not to show up at the office.
They *USED* to have a desk at 1 IBM PLAZA but not anymore (for the
most part).
I think IBM managed to screw up things when they did that.
Of course now its difficult to even find an IBM
Shmuel:
Proper formatting is not an answer. Many a times I have 6 or 8
manuals open on my desk at even given time while I am trying to find
an answer to a question.
I don't care how big a screen there is given my eye sight (or lake
there of) can I find quickly a pdf or bks that I am
Working habits and methods vary widely. Results are crucial, the path
taken to reach them is not.
Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur got good results by
framing a cloud bank with his lituus, I would applaud.
John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote:
Working habits and methods vary widely. Results are crucial, the path
taken to reach them is not.
Many would say the means are as important as the ends.
Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur got good
Sam, you are at it again.
Context is all. If the means are immoral, their effectiveness does
not of course legitimate them.
Thus Gibbon, in Chapter 28 of DFOTRE:
At Minorca the relics of St. Stephen converted in eight days 540 Jews;
with the help, indeed, of some wholesome severities, such as
Haruspicina is messy; but If, improbably, an augur got good results by
framing a cloud bank with his lituus, I would applaud.
Pretentious abounds.
Communication's purpose is to communicate.
NOT to obsfucate!
If people don't understand you, it's not their fault. It's yours!
Also, the purpose of
Sam,
The journey is as important as the destination.
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll
understand. - Chinese Proverb
On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Sam Siegel s...@pscsi.net wrote:
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 4:14 PM, John
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote:
Sam,
The journey is as important as the destination.
Completely agree on that. Some might even say that the journey is the
destination.
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I
This discussion is such a person opinion. Ran into the educated and
non-educated,except for the education of life. My father was For example high
school educated Could do anything, grewup only eating pancakes during the
depression, served in the 8th Air Force, would give you the shirt off his
This thread has interested me.
The question whether to retire or not is a deeply personal one that
everyone must decide individually when and if it arises. For me it
has not. My wife Kate and I---she is a novelist--have of course
slowed down. We take longer and more frequent holidays than we
Great quote! Great sentiment. Thanks,
Charles
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This thread has
John,
Same here John. I have two daughters in college, so I have to work since I
haven't won the lottery. Plus work is has purpose for one as one ages . I know
I am younger than you
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll
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Ted,
Do you have an equivalent of our Social Security ?
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll
understand. - Chinese Proverb
On Feb 3, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn
: Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca
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Yes. And, you're eligible at 65, even if you're still working.
One of our Prime Ministers (Jean Chretien) started collecting while he was
still in office.
He
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Thats great at least there is something. Here they are pushing the retirement
age to 70. That should be interesting.
I know bunch of us, I am 62 that are working...my gf is 68 and working
Scott J Ford
Software
In
b870629719727b4ba82a6c06a31c291239b4612...@hqmailsvr01.voltage.com,
on 02/01/2013
at 02:06 PM, Phil Smith p...@voltage.com said:
The biggest pains about working from home are the lack of a copier
(yeah, I have an all-in-one, but it's not the same), and getting the
oil changed in the car.
I've only worked from for a few days at a time, for heath or weather
reasons. I think it should be ENCOURAGED when you think you are sick enough
to be courageous but not too sick to work.
My main issue with working from home is lack of multiple monitors. If I
was going to do it more often, I'd
On Feb 2, 2013, at 10:20 PM, Len Rugen wrote:
---SNIP--
My main issue with working from home is lack of multiple monitors.
If I
was going to do it more often, I'd have to get another one. With
multiple
monitors, I almost never refer
In 10C2666F4D474DBEA939AED5D6A337BE@ericnbPC, on 01/28/2013
at 09:26 AM, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com said:
I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I
work 2 more weeks. Then I will retire. I find it harder to do my
ob as I get older. Also, living 170 miles
In
CAAJSdjhzSqu90cfR6tcdTZz=mN4nYE3nBXZhUqSe0URYZH6=y...@mail.gmail.com,
on 01/28/2013
at 09:36 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said:
Many problems with actually getting the company to give me any
money.
I've only had that problem once, on a gig that I didn't want to take
in the
In
of9e55884d.cac77e33-on87257b02.00821243-86257b02.0082c...@us.ibm.com,
on 01/29/2013
at 05:48 PM, Steve Thompson sthomp...@us.ibm.com said:
Lucky you! Where does one find these jobs that allow you to work
from home?
I'm even more jealous of people who can walk to work.
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On 1 February 2013 13:44, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
shmuel+...@patriot.net wrote:
on 01/29/2013 at 05:48 PM, Steve Thompson sthomp...@us.ibm.com said:
Lucky you! Where does one find these jobs that allow you to work from home?
I'm even more jealous of people who can walk to work.
I enjoy the
One of our sysprogs took the highest paying offer in Chicago and
found a flat a few blocks from work. First winter storm put on his fedora
and gloves and headed to work. Said about half-way there noticed he couldn't
feel his hands or feet. Fortunately, there was a parking garage on the way
Mobile
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Date: 02/01/2013 01:32 PM
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One of our sysprogs took the highest paying
I tried it for eight years. Way too expensive!
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There's still room here
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Tony Harminc wrote:
I enjoy the great luxury of a 20-25 minute (1.3 miles/2.1 km) walk
from home to office, which I do in all but the worst weather (and then
it's a ten minute bus/subway trip). Of course my employer's office
location is a happy accident, and that could change for any number of
Seymour:
I had a friend who was about 4 blocks from work (maybe less). He was
always being called in at night and ended up with no social life.
On the other extreme I had a job and I was called in in the AM and
they refused to pay for parking etc.
I just told them that never call me in
Back in those days you could actually find a job after sending out a few
resumes. Now you can send out lots of resumes and not hear a thing. In
1980, I talked to a headhunter. I had only 2 years experience, but after
interviews with 3 companies, I had a new job. Now, at least in Milwaukee,
Eric:
I heard that they are hiring a LOT of sysprogs (no details) in an
area that is about 25 minutes south of the WI/IL state line (30
minutes North of Chicago(not North Chicago)) in case its closer.
Ed
On Feb 1, 2013, at 4:51 PM, Eric Bielefeld wrote:
Back in those days you could
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One of our sysprogs took the highest paying offer in Chicago and found a flat a
few blocks from work. First winter storm put on his fedora and gloves and
headed to work. Said about half-way there noticed he couldn't feel
On 2/1/2013 4:15 PM, Grinsell, Don wrote:
Hah! When I worked in Minneapolis I always felt sorry for the people in
Chicago. Now I'm living in the hinterlands and loving every minute of it. Our
rush hour lasts all of 10 minutes and my office is a 15 minute jog from the
National Forest boundary.
Eric,
Very nice. You will like this, my internist plays keyboards and when I go in we
talk about great guitarists during the exam. Music is a wonderful think my
grandmother sang for the burlesques threater..when he was young
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
Tell me and I'll forget; show me
Eric, color me green with envy. Good luck and best wishes in your new
adventures.
Steve
On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 09:26:48 -0600, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com
wrote:
I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2 more
weeks. Then I will retire. I find it harder
Very nice. You will like this, my internist plays keyboards and when I go in we
talk about great guitarists during the exam. Music is a wonderful thing my
grandmother sang for the burlesques threater..when she was young
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I
/2013 10:26:48 AM:
From: Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU,
Date: 01/28/2013 10:27 AM
Subject: My Last Days as a Sysprog
Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2
I understand that if you are a contractor to a body shop,
the body shop is often not paid for 45 days (I hear IBM is
one of the culprits here), then the body shop won't pay
it's people for another 45 days. 90 days before the worker
gets paid is not anywhere near fair, but they got you.
In
If the road rised up to meet me, wouldn't I just be a splat on the road
then!
Eric Bielefeld
Sr. Systems Programmer
- Original Message -
From: Kirk Talman rkueb...@tsys.com
May the road rise up to meet you,
May the wind be always at your back,
Kirk,
In started working from home in 2006 , after the death of my wife and having
two kids to raise.
The only downside is the need for other people to talk to..
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll
understand. - Chinese
Lucky you! Where does one find these jobs that allow you to work from home?
Scott
On 01/29/2013 05:05 PM, Scott Ford wrote:
Kirk,
In started working from home in 2006 , after the death of my wife and having
two kids to raise.
The only downside is the need for other people to talk to..
From: scott svet...@ameritech.net
Date: 01/29/2013 05:35 PM
Lucky you! Where does one find these jobs that allow you to work from
home?
Scott
SNIPPAGE
Well, Sterling Commerce did, depending on circumstances (now part of IBM).
Depending on your function, IBM does (I'm working from home
, January 29, 2013 4:35 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog [ External ]
Lucky you! Where does one find these jobs that allow you to work from home?
Scott
On 01/29/2013 05:05 PM, Scott Ford wrote:
Kirk,
In started working from home in 2006 , after the death
On 29 January 2013 19:08, Lester, Bob bles...@oppenheimerfunds.com wrote:
I work 1 day/week from home. It's partly a response to the bird flu from
a few years ago, and partly to prove that we have the infrastructure to
support hundreds/thousands of remote connections to work. I enjoy
I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2 more
weeks. Then I will retire. I find it harder to do my job as I get older.
Also, living 170 miles from home 5 days a week isn't much fun.
One thing I'm looking forward to is playing in 2 different blues jams, one
on
All the very best to you and your family Eric!
ALH
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From: Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com
To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:26 am
Subject: My Last Days as a Sysprog
I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off
:
All the very best to you and your family Eric!
ALH
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From: Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com
To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:26 am
Subject: My Last Days as a Sysprog
I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off
Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com
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Date: 01/28/2013 10:27 AM
Subject:My Last Days as a Sysprog
Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2
more
weeks. Then I
It's funny, because most people can't work from home, but if they really
want you, you can. It's more of I can't do this anymore. It takes me
longer to do things, and many things I just can't figure out anymore.
Eric Bielefeld
Dubuque, Iowa
414-477-7259
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From:
Wish you the best, it's been a pleasure...
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Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 7:27 AM
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Subject: My Last Days as a Sysprog
I'm finally
:
Wish you the best, it's been a pleasure...
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On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 7:27 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: My Last Days as a Sysprog
I'm
:
All the very best to you and your family Eric!
ALH
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From: Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com
To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:26 am
Subject: My Last Days as a Sysprog
I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off
List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf
Of Eric Bielefeld
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 10:27 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: My Last Days as a Sysprog
I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2 more
weeks. Then I will retire. I find it harder to do
I understand that if you are a contractor to a body shop, the body shop is
often not paid for 45 days (I hear IBM is one of the culprits here), then the
body shop won't pay it's people for another 45 days. 90 days before the worker
gets paid is not anywhere near fair, but they got you.
Like
Steve - I worked for 1.5 years over a 3.5 years period at 3 different
contract jobs. I always got paid just like any other job. Of course, I
didn't work for IBM at any of those jobs.
John - When I'm in Dubuque, I walk to work - 4 blocks. I like that. There
are a lot of people, including
Subject: My Last Days as a Sysprog
I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2 more
weeks. Then I will retire. I find it harder to do my job as I get older.
Also, living 170 miles from home 5 days a week isn't much fun.
One thing I'm looking forward to is playing
Eric, I consulted for a lot of years, I sincerely wish you all best in you
retirement.
Btw I love music too, don't play, my daughter does.
Scott ford
www.identityforge.com
Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll
understand. - Chinese Proverb
On Jan 28, 2013,
Eric Bielefeld wrote:
I'm finally calling it quits. I have this week off, and then I work 2 more
weeks. Then I will retire. I find it harder to do my job as I get older.
All of the very best for you an your family. Please enjoy your well deserved
retirement. I will certainly miss your
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